Illwei Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: Silber was the elim kill because he didn't have an aviar. TO clarify I was speculating about why he got elim killed, not if he got elim killed. if you look at the top I had already assumed he was the Elim kill for those reasons in the second post this cycle. :P. Because matrim pointed out an alternative I'll say some more I guess The people I've been Elims with haven't really ever been enthusiastic about targeting inactives, which makes me honestly think it might be Straw or Matrim, or Ash, Mint, or Vapor, though that would make more sense to me if they were first time elims... I also don't know CadCom's playstyle, so...
Mat he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Illwei said: The people I've been Elims with haven't really ever been enthusiastic about targeting inactives, which makes me honestly think it might be Straw or Matrim, or Ash, Mint, or Vapor, though that would make more sense to me if they were first time elims... I also don't know CadCom's playstyle, so... I wasn't enthusiastic about targeting inactives, I was enthusiastic about poking inactives...
Illwei Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I wasn't enthusiastic about targeting inactives, I was enthusiastic about poking inactives... I'm talking about LG 68, you and straw on the Elim team. I'm not saying it is one of you, I'm just saying that I haven't really played with people like that. I assume its more of a Straw thing (I mean, more him than you) but Idk who else thinks like that.
CadCom he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said: This is Jester and Windrunner's first real game (Jester played a ffa quick fix) Gaahhh. I have a belief that new people who are elims first game will typically will typically be at least coached to avoid trains. Maybe I'm wrong, but my gut says that if they're new, it increases their chance of being innocent. Windrunner, does anyone know how long Illweis been playing, since they were next on my list? Also note, I'm getting on for about a minute at a time, between calls while at work. So if anything doesnt make sense, feel free to ask me any questions.
Illwei Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, CadCom said: does anyone know how long Illweis been playing, since they were next on my list? I mean, I know? this is my...8th...7th...6th...7th? real game? been playing since LG67 in July.
Straw he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Illwei said: I'm talking about LG 68, you and straw on the Elim team. I'm not saying it is one of you, I'm just saying that I haven't really played with people like that. I assume its more of a Straw thing (I mean, more him than you) but Idk who else thinks like that. I don’t recall going after inactives in LG68. Looking back at the doc, when making kill lists I’d usually take the inactives off the list since they were of low value to the village. If you’re talking about the Silber N1 kill in that game, that was because we thought he might be an alignment scanner.
Vapor she/her Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Uh... hi. Finally found some time to post here. I haven't really been paying attention. If anyone can, will you give me a short summary? If not, I'll just try and go back to read what I missed.
The Windrunner Supreme he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 10:13 PM, Elkanah said: After that readthrough I have a bad gut feeling about Matrim. Let me go through his posts and see if I can figure out why. Pretty much I have a weird feeling about his first vote for Reading and that may have just been the timing. Then he votes for Silberfarben, but not to start a lynch on him. I'm not sure what you were hoping for in that case. I understand the vote on Ashbringer for jumping on a lynch train. I find both Ashbringer and Jester a little suspicious for their reactions to other people's votes. I am guessing you were not voting Jester to let them play a bit longer and learn the ropes, but you didn't really bring them up at all even though they were doing the same thing as Ashbringer did, but more often. I agree. At first I thought that Reading was bad, but then he turned out villager. For day 1, I had a bad gut feeling about Reading and Matrim, but I voted on Reading, because that was what everyone else was doing. For now, I am going to put my vote on Matrim.
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 48 minutes ago, The Windrunner Supreme said: I agree. At first I thought that Reading was bad, but then he turned out villager. For day 1, I had a bad gut feeling about Reading and Matrim, but I voted on Reading, because that was what everyone else was doing. For now, I am going to put my vote on Matrim. I would defend myself, but there are no charges to defend against in the case of a gut read. The best I can say is what I already have: My vote on Reading was largely gut, and the switching was me second guessing myself multiple times. So... eh. I honestly wouldn’t mind being the mislynch, if there is one. School suddenly got more work heavy and I don’t know if I can manage two games at once.
Straw he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 We should definitely figure out who to vote out today soon. My reads have mainly stayed the same since the last time I posted. CadCom is probably up a bit, but I dislike his focus on the Reading voters. Jes is up a bit and Windrunner is down a bit, so I might switch to Windrunner.
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Straw and Windrunner are my main two suspects. Straw was extremely defensive of Silber in a way which seems like possible pocketing to me. That would also give a good reason as to why Silber was killed: the elims were trying to make Straw look better for defending him. Illwei also defended Silber, but not as harshly. This all seems very convenient, though, and maybe a little too obvious. Straw also voted Reading. Windrunner also voted for Reading, and quite abruptly. I did the same, though, so I’m willing to give benefit of the doubt on this one. As for other people: Matrim seems defensive, which reads very slight elim to me. However, Reading was the same, and ended up being village. Illwei also defended Silber, but his early comments read village to me. Ash had some discussion around them in the first day. I don’t have a great read on them, but they did advocate for lynching Silber, whatever that’s worth. Of course, I doubt an elim would advocate for lynching someone they planned on killing anyway. Ash also said they thought Matrim and Straw weren’t suspicious during day one. This makes me think very mild elim.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Okay 100% forgot that today is when the cycle ends, as I have been busy with homework. Straw So..basically we're at Jester (1): Straw Matrim (1): Windrunner Straw (1): Matrim ...right? I need to find something to say. uh. people? can you guys talk so I can respond? Accuse me or something that could be exciting Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, JesterLavorre said: Matrim seems defensive, which reads very slight elim to me. However, Reading was the same, and ended up being village. I'm always defensive :P. It's part of my general playstyle. 1 minute ago, Illwei said: Jester (1): Straw Matrim (1): Windrunner That and I am voting on Straw. But I don't feel super confident about that. I don't feel super confident about anyone... Reading's lynch was too weird to glean much info from it.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: Straw and Windrunner are my main two suspects. Straw was extremely defensive of Silber in a way which seems like possible pocketing to me. That would also give a good reason as to why Silber was killed: the elims were trying to make Straw look better for defending him. Illwei also defended Silber, but not as harshly. This all seems very convenient, though, and maybe a little too obvious. Straw also voted Reading Possibly the Elims might have talked about being okay with Voting out Silber, and when that didn't happen they changed their Elim Kill to Silber as he gives the least information. EDIT: Guys I'm getting a bad gut on Matrim because right after I marked Reading as sus Matrim does the same, and right after I basically voted Straw with no apparent reasoning Matrim does the same. @Matrim's Dice opinons? Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Illwei said: Guys I'm getting a bad gut on Matrim because right after I marked Reading as sus Matrim does the same, and right after I basically voted Straw with no apparent reasoning Matrim does the same. @Matrim's Dice opinons? I... agreed with you? On both counts? After finding something you said I believe proves you're village? And with little ideas of my own, followed your judgement? I mean, mislynch me if you want. I dunno what info you'd get, It'd probably be better for me schedule-wise though.
Gears Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Interestingly enough, the lynch is currently tied between my top suspicions. I instinctively distrust First of the Light (Straw). Perhaps it is because their defense of Lord Silberfarben seems to handily done for my tastes. Perhaps it is because Philico seems to be as they always are. I think at least one of Light and Philico is a traitor, and I do not think this is an elaborate bus attempt. If Philico retracts at the last moment, they are probably a traitor as well. I only hope that my instincts have not led me astray. 1
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I never posted here, did I. Well, as I said in the LG, I have a ton of CS homework to do and my entire program just crashed, so that's fun. I read Straw and Mat fairly Village D1, although Mat did try to lynch me... I mean, that helps a bit more than it hurts. Although now he just insisted he'd be a mislynch that sets of little alarm bells. To answer a half question from Straw, yeah, I did eliminate a lot of suspicions due to meta reasons, but that was after a D1 where I was too busy with life to get in-game reasons. I'd be willing to lynch most of the people on that list today or more likely tomorrow. I'll be chained to my laptop for a few more hours so let me know if you have any quick questions / vote requests / votes on me.
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I still feel like Straw, but Matrim is sus. Looking at some of his comments a second time, I could possibly see a strategy of feigning uncaringness toward votes as an excuse for lynching one or more villagers. I could also definitely see Straw and Mat both being elims, and playing up this so that if one of them is lynched, the other looks better for it.
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 So: Gears thinks that one of me and Straw is an elim, but that it isn't a bus attempt Jester sees the possibility that it is in fact a bus attempt And Ash read us both as mostly village 22 minutes ago, Gears said: If Philico retracts at the last moment, they are probably a traitor as well. I won't, this time. (Or retract, and then vote again) Wasn't planning to. 19 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Although now he just insisted he'd be a mislynch that sets of little alarm bells. I can see how that might not look good, but do you want me to not say that? Would it look better if I had said 'Lynch me if you want, I dunno what info you'd get'? It might have, actually... I'm not a huge fan of the reasoning that claiming village is suspicious. It's NAI. In this case, it's NAI and honest. I do feel like Jester is being weird, but new player is a classification that's stopping me. I don't know their playstyle, or what they would do, so I can't say how strange their actions are.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I was going to wait, because I thought that @CadCom was writing something....I guess not... I don't like what I'm getting from Gears, and that makes me more suspicious about the straw vote. maybe I should vote straw and then decide after, or maybe I should vote jester and decide after. whichever's easier. someone help me I'm doing my Psych homework I don't have time for this math.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: And Ash read us both as mostly village Well, I did yesterday and I don't have time to make a further judgement 9 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I can see how that might not look good, but do you want me to not say that? Would it look better if I had said 'Lynch me if you want, I dunno what info you'd get'? It might have, actually... I'm not a huge fan of the reasoning that claiming village is suspicious. It's NAI. In this case, it's NAI and honest. It's better than giving up, definitely, but... eh. Explicitly claiming Village is NAI, but repeatedly implicitly claiming Village can be. Although I don't know if you were repeating it or not.
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Looking over some of Matrim’s D1 posts, I think I’m more suspicious of Straw. Matrim reads village to me. He encouraged conversation early on, and his votes, while suspicious, could also be simple indecision. He also clearly stated that the Silber vote was a poke vote, and pulling it back after it seemed like Silber may get more votes makes sense if he only wanted Silber to be motivated to talk, not to be lynched. My reasoning for Straw is mainly his defense of Silber, but he also voted for Reading, so that implicates him a little. Matrim is definitely still my second pick, though.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, JesterLavorre said: Straw was extremely defensive of Silber in a way which seems like possible pocketing to me. That would also give a good reason as to why Silber was killed: the elims were trying to make Straw look better for defending him 9 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: My reasoning for Straw is mainly his defense of Silber That reasoning seems way too IKYK. Hm, I'm going to vote on Jester. very unhelpful, I know. jester isn't really about to be voted out, and if I think Straw is innocent this doesn't neccessarily help them. I don't think Straw is an Elim though. I don't exactly know much about straw though so I don't have much to go on. Gears EDIT: Gears Jester Sorry @Experience Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: Hm Gears I could see possibly Gears being elim, but I don’t think you’ve talked about it previously. What’s your reasoning here?
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: I could see possibly Gears being elim, but I don’t think you’ve talked about it previously. What’s your reasoning here? Edited. Iit sent out early, very unfinished because I got in the habit of keeping my pinky on the control key... :P. 2 hours ago, JesterLavorre said: Straw was extremely defensive of Silber in a way which seems like possible pocketing to me. That would also give a good reason as to why Silber was killed: the elims were trying to make Straw look better for defending him 13 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: My reasoning for Straw is mainly his defense of Silber 7 minutes ago, Illwei said: That reasoning seems way too IKYK. Hm, I'm going to vote on Jester. very unhelpful, I know. jester isn't really about to be voted out, and if I think Straw is innocent this doesn't neccessarily help them. I don't think Straw is an Elim though. I don't exactly know much about straw though so I don't have much to go on. Gears EDIT: Gears Jester Sorry @Experience Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
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