Elbereth she/her Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: Vote tally Devotary 2 bunch of others 1 Wait! @Elbereth, I get your username! I happen to be reading ROTK for school. Small world. But does anyone get my username? Yup. Though Elbereth is slightly more interesting than her story in LotR. You and Drake should both read the Silmarillion. In the interest of the thread not completely derailing, Mage reads as normal to me, honestly. I can see how his words feel off - and would call him out for exactly the same words if it were anyone else - but that style seems to be just a thing Mage does, as far as I can tell. I don't think anything pointed out is alignment-indicative.
Arinian Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Some RP: @Seonid Ok, I chose character, Eilen. I decided to resurrect this character, so will add his death write up from QF30 for better understanding about what I RPing(not sure about what I really RPing, but who cares? ): Spoiler QF30. On 09.03.2018 at 11:12 AM, Drake Marshall said: Elien watched over the camp by night. A light, powdery snow drifted around him. The rest of the division were sleeping. Many were sleeping forever. Despite his vigilance, Eilen had never caught one of the murderers. They were like ghosts in the night... An entirely too fitting description, given the nature of the lifeless. What remained of the creatures still kept their distance around the camp, refusing to enter. Eilen heard footsteps, and turned around, spotting a figure approaching from inside the camp. Of coarse, he thought, ironically. This is the only time I see the killer coming. When I'm the target. He squinted through the darkness and weather, trying to discern the identity of his would-be killer. "Eärendil. Good evening." "Eilen," Eärendil responded, fingers curling around the grip of a knife at his belt. "A good evening indeed... For one of us." Doesn't mind alerting me: confident that I cannot escape, Eilen noted. "So, you show your true colors." "Terribly sorry about this," Eärendil said, drawing the knife. "But when I'm through, there will only be one color in this vicinity." Eärendil lunged, knife seeking Eilen's throat. A body fell to the ground with barely a sound, impact cushioned by snow that was swiftly staining red. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Life and Death…? Snow cold and soft embraced me. My blood spilled black in the darkness of night glistened as steel under the dim light of the moon. That was last moment of my life… Last moment before world faded. Faded to reignite. Light exploded, colors drifted around me like the desert sands under the wind. That was place that I’d never seen before. I gasped in amazement. “Oh colors”. All what I was able to push through my sore throat. What I was right now? Soul? Imprint of mind that lives last moments? I didn’t know. But soon light faded and I saw the sun. It was black and hollow like the eye of merciless God and it called for me, pulled me tugging on invisible strings. I started to fade like the light that I saw moments before, I felt it. I understood this is the End. I tried to scream, tried to run but I was just like the dust, dull image of myself previous, unable to stand against power that called for me. I fell on the knees with silent scream and… Everything returned, night, moonlight, blood on the snow. Freezing cold and pain, I was alive again. Why? “Why?!” I screamed, but darkness was silent. I breathed calming down. And then I saw long silvery sword laid in my hand, few patches of moonlight lit the blade, on the hilt of sword was symbol – seal painted with blood. Seal shined with deep calm red, thin lines were running from it circling around wrist almost unseen and immaterial, they pulsed with same power which I felt when Dark Sun pulled me to other side. Sword that denied Death. I stood up, the pain and fatigue tortured my body and mind, but it all did not matter, a new life began. __________________________________________________________________________________________ 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Note- liberties with the cosmere are being taken in my RP. There is no speedforce in the cosmere, and I wouldn't recommend trying to awaken lightning.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: I think you are a shard, probably Autonomy or Survival. I was reluctant saying this in-thread in case you didn't want Odium to know. I’ve already said this in-thread, but I tried and failed to take Odium’s Investiture. I am not Survival (although that’d be nice), just a researcher who wanted to squirrel away a kill action. Unfortunately, I helped release Hate instead. So if I did have a Shard right now, it’d be Odium. And considering the amount of text space I’ve devoted to him, I think it’d be a slightly risky ploy to say these things so openly, were I him. Call this an IKYK if you will, and you’d probably be correct in labeling it as such, but I have no Shards and no Investiture. (Well, except for the Investiture in the objects I’m selling. But those need to stay invested.) As a side note, I need to reread this thread a lot. We need lynch discussion and analysis, and I don’t think Devotary is a terribly good target. Thoughts to come once my reread is done, but anyone with thoughts on the lynch needs to speak up now so we can have an informed lynch before the cycle ends.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Elbereth might be a better option, considering all the fishy things that's been going on with them. That is who I have a vote on. Who do you think we should lynch? @Drake Marshall @Elbereth @Arinian @Steeldancer @Magestar Edited March 17, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer
Jondesu he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 I personally doubt either Elbereth or Mage are our targets, but I’d be more willing to throw my vote on Elbereth right now. Mage seems to be playing normally to me.
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 I would like Elbereth to explain herself. Although honestly I don't have any reads yet. If she doesn't explain herself, I think voting on her would be a good idea.
Arinian Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: Elbereth might be a better option, considering all the fishy things that's been going on with them. That is who I have a vote on. Who do you think we should lynch? @Drake Marshall @Elbereth @Arinian @Steeldancer @Magestar I already said that I think we shouldn't lynch today. Also how tie's decided?
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Ehh...did my reread and a few things popped out to me. Young Bard (copy pasting because I can’t quote across tabs): Storms. Three Shards? And we couldn't have picked a nicer 3 to release, either... :/ What's more, if everyone steals a charge again tonight, we're divided among even fewer Shards, so it seems likely that at least three, if not more, will be released again tonight. Devotary of Spontaneity. I explained this at the end of last cycle, but to repeat quickly: I found a few of their lines - especially their first line after the reset - to be highly suspicious. In addition, they had a few peculiar plans which I believe would be more in line with an Eliminator mindset than a villager one (see my post last cycle for more detail on that.) To the three brand new Shards: I'm pretty sure you know when you're going to change your alignment (Seonid, is this true?) - I'd strongly recommend you have returned your Shard before that happens. (I'd say do it immediately, but I know even I wouldn't follow that advice if I was holding a Shard, so... ) Oh, and Odium, I hope you're not Steeldancer. Please, please, don't be Steeldancer. For all intents and purposes, this post seems fine. But looking at this closely, the first paragraph seems a bit forced. And why do you see releasing Shards as a bad thing? The 17S sudden death win con is looking *very* unlikely right now, and it seems like you’re trying to force the village into inaction by saying “oh don’t go for Investiture, you’ll release Shards.” That’s part of the risk of going for Investiture, and it shouldn’t stop the village from trying to. Saying this makes me view you in an Elim-y light, as your advice would keep villager hands off of Shards. Which, at this point, is not a good thing. I’ll let your second paragraph slide, considering you’ve already retracted your vote. Your third paragraph continues support for trying to keep all Shards in containment. While I certainly don’t like the idea of Odium and Ruin running amok, as you yourself acknowledge, there’s little reason either Vessel would return or pass their Shard without having their fun with it first. Yet you argue for the Shards to be returned to containment anyway, providing no real reasoning to support said argument, which has no effect at all except for making you seem a bit more villager-y. Final paragraph is fairly NAI, though I’d bring up the tinfoil possibility that Bard is Odium, and is attempting to slightly distance himself. In other words, this post says fairly little despite its size (outside of the argument for the lynch on DoS), and it seems like Bard is trying to give himself some “villager cred” without offering much real input. I suspect someone else will have posted by the time I finish this, so it won't be a double post. 1. Hmmm... That's fair, I suppose, but that still doesn't answer the fact that I don't think destroying a planet would be a good idea, even if a Shard isn't released in the process. 2. Huh. OK, then. Does anyone want to counter-claim this? ...Against my better judgement, Devotary, unless I hear a counter-claim. I do consider that my main piece of evidence, but if you were Khriss last time, then that explains that comment. 3. That, at least, we're agreed on. :/ EDIT: I've just scanned through, and the following players are people who either didn't post, or only post a line or two at most. (If I missed something more substantial you posted, I apologise.) I'm RNG'ing from this list to poke vote - I understand if you're busy, but please let us know that at the very least if so. @Arinian, @Eternum, @Straw, @Jondesu, @Megasif, @shanerockes. Straw. Do you have any thoughts on the game so far? 1. Continues his policy of Shardic nonintervention, calling (again) for Ruin to be returned to containment. Does not support blowing up any worlds. I’ve already said that I don’t think this is in the village’s best interests. 2. Retraction, completely justified and this looks fine, even if it’s mostly NAI. 3. Trying to establish villager cred, or a genuine reaction? I’m unsure, but I’m not going to dismiss this as NAI. I have a feeling it tells alignment, I’m just unsure which one. I’ll think about this comment a bit more. 4. Goes after lurkers/minimally active. Has Bard done this in the past? If he has, fine, but if not, this seems like a way to deflect attention towards people who can’t really defend themselves. I’m personally fine with a lurker/inactive lynch, but if Bard normally isn’t this might raise red flags. (I do agree with Bard that these people should be more active, though.) Also, out of this list, Bard RNGs Straw for his vote, who responds immediately. But I don’t see a retraction. @Young Bard, could you retract your vote on Straw? Analysis of HH to come.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: @Straw Your advice is good, but I have a sneaking suspicion Ruin is not in village hands. But getting rid of Braize would stop kill actions outside of Odium/the lynch, if I’m not misremembering the rules. Which I see as a good thing. So if Ruin is nice, I agree they should shatter Braize, if possible. Why do you believe an evil team has Ruin?
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: Ruin is a bigger issue, and one that I could see Khriss going for over a conversion. Getting Ruin, the extra action it grants, and the ability to blow up Silverlight, likely releasing all the Shards and scattering us among the remaining worlds is something I could definitely see Khriss doing. So I think that finding and lynching Khriss this cycle should be our priority. It’s unlikely to happen, but right now she’s probably a bigger threat than Hoid, as I can’t see a situation in which Hoid didn’t convert last night, while I could see multiple in which Khriss holds off on hers. Khriss + Ruin should scare the living daylights out of everyone here. Odium is a huge problem; however, I don’t think we should go after him yet. Right now, the person holding it is almost 100% sure to be village (unless they were Hoid’s convert), and unless they’re a troll that wants Odium’s win con (which is, sadly, a legitimate possibility) and plan on shattering Cultivation, we have bigger fish to fry at the moment. However, I hope the village will actually go for Cultivation tonight, if for no other reason than to prevent its Shattering. Odium, if you have a shred of decency, don’t hit Cultivation tonight. The village depends on it. If you do, I will personally hunt you and try to lynch you. You probably still have a village win con. Hold to it, please. Likely things happening tonight: -Odium kills Culty (please don’t, Odium) -Ruin blows Silverlight up, releasing all the Shards -The village gets a decent number of these Shards As for the lynch, I just don’t have time to comb through everyone’s stuff, but will express that something seems off about Steel beyond him potentially being Odium. I’ll have more thoughts tonight. Sorry for the low quality of this post. At the time I didn’t realize that Shards stayed in containment if Silverlight was shattered, but my point still stands; a Khriss!Ruin could scatter us, and the Shards, among multiple planets, causing lack of communication, confusion, and restricted access to Shards we might want, while at the same time slowly blowing up the worlds that could get in her way (Scadrial springs to mind). So, with these points in mind, I’d be entirely unsurprised if Khriss went for Ruin last night instead of a conversion, knowing she would be able to divide us and disrupt village coordination.
MonsterMetroid Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 @Fifth ScholarI would like you to explain how you think that odium is for sure in village hands.The way I see it I think Odium is just as likely if not more likely to be in eliminator hands but I want your take to see if I am missing something.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 There are two possible Elim teams that could have taken Odium: Hoid and Khriss. Odium is literally useless to Hoid, since he can’t take kill actions, and there’s the fact that Hoid can’t directly steal Investiture from Shards anyway, so Hoid is definitely out (plus, I’m fairly sure Hoid converted last night, anyway). Khriss could have ended up with Odium, but I think she used her action to convert, or to steal from Ruin. While it is possible that Khriss does hold Odium now, considering the numbers of villagers either seeking to hold the power of Odium in their hand, or people like me who just wanted a kill action, I find the idea of Odium being in Khriss’ hands unlikely just because of the sheer quantity of villagers who tried to steal from Odium. Not to say it’s impossible, but I find village!Odium more likely.
Elbereth she/her Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Steeldancer said: I would like Elbereth to explain herself. Although honestly I don't have any reads yet. If she doesn't explain herself, I think voting on her would be a good idea. Here’s your explanation. Hopefully the last I have to say on the topic, because at this point it’s counterproductive discussion (I certainly don’t think there’s anything alignment indicative to be gained from it, and the GMs have all but said the same). When I accidentally looked in the spreadsheet, the names at the top were Hoid and Khriss (because of how the spreadsheet is set up). In the brief moment I glanced at the sheet, I saw that they had different names than I was using, and exited out. I did so well enough to remember at least one correctly, but apparently misread Khriss’ identity (potentially as the name underneath her?). The GMs didn’t tell me this and acted as if I had both identities correct, which is why I was so certain that I hadn’t misread. My best guess is that Seonid either didn’t consider the amount of claiming that would result, or that I would counterclaim based on spreadsheet information. Thus the resulting mess. I would point out that, as has been noted, I had absolutely no reason to lie, and additionally think that even were I evil this would be a phenomenally pointless ploy. I’m mostly fine with being lynched - it’s ironic enough, certainly, though I wouldn’t mind lasting past D1 of a Shard game sometime - but think that doing so over a point which the GMs have almost explicitly said shouldn’t be considered for analysis is rather irritating. Is that enough of an explanation, @Steeldancer and @Jondesu?
Jondesu he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Yeah, works for me, and I'm ok with not having a lynch this cycle. Elbereth.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Elbereth. Oh, and Jondesu, we still have another day left. Also, @Fifth Scholar, Odium's win con, which will likely take into effect soon-ish, will not be good for the village. Edited March 18, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: At the time I didn’t realize that Shards stayed in containment if Silverlight was shattered, but my point still stands; a Khriss!Ruin could scatter us, and the Shards, among multiple planets, causing lack of communication, confusion, and restricted access to Shards we might want, while at the same time slowly blowing up the worlds that could get in her way (Scadrial springs to mind). So, with these points in mind, I’d be entirely unsurprised if Khriss went for Ruin last night instead of a conversion, knowing she would be able to divide us and disrupt village coordination. Correct in all regards. Additionally, Khriss would be gaining access to a kill, and would be denying everybody else the ability to divest shards from planets without a lynch vote. I do definitely agree that Khriss would have reasons to want Ruin. That shard would be scarily useful to Khriss. I was interested to know your reasoning though, because I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have occured to me had I not thought I was Hoid at the time, considering which shards I wanted to prioritize and which ones Khriss might prioritize. I am also a little curious because it does not seem intuitive to me that Hoid or Khriss would forgo their conversion ability, so I wonder what lead you towards that conclusion. I don't really disagree with any of your conjecture, I just wonder if it is oddly specific, or something like that.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Odium. Autonomy. Ruin. Three of the most dangerous Shards in the Cosmere, yet dependent on their Vessel for direction. Elereod had felt the pull of all three Shards since arriving at Silverlight. He had rejected all three, though. Perhaps in his younger days, Elereod would have taken the Shard of Hate. He had known hate once, had dedicated his life to the destruction of the Invested population. The years had mellowed hate into determination. No longer did Elereod hate his targets. The Shards and all their creations were not to be despised, but merely pitied. They as much as anyone were victims of Adonalsium's power. Autonomy, perhaps? Personal freedom, the urge to tear down the establishment and liberate the masses from tyranny? No. Taking on the Shard of Autonomy would merely exchange one form of tyranny with another. True change, the type that brings down the corrupt elite and replaces it with something better, cannot come from one such as Autonomy who favors individuals above all else. One person; a Kelsier, a Hrathen, a Dalinar, can be the driving force behind the destruction of a system. Replacing that system with something better, establishing a society where one's Investiture levels do not enable people to abuse the less powerful, requires a unified populace. Not even Ruin. Ruin, whose power kept him alive. The personification of entropy, the Shard that walked a path so very similar to Elereod's own. He had sought decay and destruction, the final end to all things. Yet for all his power, he could not defeat Preservation. Indeed, he could never have defeated Preservation, for what is absolute entropy but perfect order, preserved forever? In his haste to destroy, Ruin defeated himself. Elereod would not make that same mistake. He would reject the Shards. He would succeed or fail based on his own merits, without the interference of uncontrollable power. *As always, Elereod's views do not necessarily reflect my own.* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I, too would like to move away from the spreadsheet error. I see that Jondesu and TheYoungPyromancer have removed their votes from Elbereth, which is good. Elbereth is still voting for me, I believe for sounding off when addressing the Shards that got released today. I was in the middle of writing a response to YoungBard when rollover happened, and was very surprised to see that instead of Cultivation and Ambition, we as a whole released the Shards most likely to have anti-village win conditions. @MonsterMetroid, on the other hand, voted for me on the basis of a gut read and assuming that Elbereth would not lie about what she saw on the spreadsheet. Now that it's been established that the situation was most likely based on a misread, would you mind removing your vote or providing your own reasons for lynching me? @Seonid, I would like to repeat the calls for more details on the lynch. How are ties determined? Is there a vote minimum required to lynch someone? Is voting for No Lynch a viable option? 1 hour ago, Fifth Scholar said: There are two possible Elim teams that could have taken Odium: Hoid and Khriss. Odium is literally useless to Hoid, since he can’t take kill actions, and there’s the fact that Hoid can’t directly steal Investiture from Shards anyway, so Hoid is definitely out (plus, I’m fairly sure Hoid converted last night, anyway). Khriss could have ended up with Odium, but I think she used her action to convert, or to steal from Ruin. As per page 2 of the signup thread, Hoid's ability to weaken a Shard's barriers allows him to end up as a Vessel. Additionally, Khriss has the ability to steal Investiture from 2 separate Shards. While this doesn't mean that Odium is in the hands of the eliminators, it does make it more likely than you're suggesting here.
MonsterMetroid Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Ok I agree with you that hoid taking odium seems unlikely but it is possible since Odium is the antithesis of hoid he might have figure trying for it might give him. But like I said in my earliar analysis( on page 2) I think khriss definately used her ability to target two shard and odium is one of the ones she targeted. 32 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @MonsterMetroid, on the other hand, voted for me on the basis of a gut read and assuming that Elbereth would not lie about what she saw on the spreadsheet. Now that it's been established that the situation was most likely based on a misread, would you mind removing your vote or providing your own reasons for lynching me? Oh sorry I did mean to remove my vote from you I got distracted Devotary ( just don't be suspicious anymore haha)
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Odium, Ruin, Autonomy. Free. Everen blinked. Perfect memory could be a real drawback, sometimes. There were many things he could have felt, but mostly Everen was simply tired. "Things are getting dire, it seems," he said, speaking absentmindedly to Cynthia. The Aviar cocked her head. "All the nasty bits of Adolnasium just got loosed on the cosmere." He stuck an index finger into his neck, flesh flowing and reshaping as he fished out a copper needle. Some of Silverlight's residents stared at him, or crossed to the other side of the street to avoid him. Others walked by without giving him a second glance, either familiar with the Siah, or, more likely, desensitized to the multitude of oddities in the cosmere. He repeated the process, removing three needles in total of varying sizes. "There," he sighed, more relieved than he should have been. The memories were gone. He would need them, later. For now, it was far more peaceful to not remember what sort of beings were free of containment.
Seonid he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Author Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @Seonid, I would like to repeat the calls for more details on the lynch. How are ties determined? Is there a vote minimum required to lynch someone? Is voting for No Lynch a viable option? Ties will result in a no-lynch. 2-vote minimum. If a plurality votes no-lynch, no lynch will occur.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 5th Scholar. It sounds as if you really think we should not focus on Odium, which you are stating A LOT. That makes me think you may be Odium trying to drag focus away from yourself. I'd say at this point, Shards are going to be MORE dangerous than Hoid or Khriss, unless we make an effort to free some nicer ones.
Droughtbringer Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: 5th Scholar. It sounds as if you really think we should not focus on Odium, which you are stating A LOT. That makes me think you may be Odium trying to drag focus away from yourself. I'd say at this point, Shards are going to be MORE dangerous than Hoid or Khriss, unless we make an effort to free some nicer ones. At this point, as long as the shard holder is village, the shard should be more useful to us. We only need to worry about them being converted to their win con later. I am really tries and the thread is confusing, I'll take a look at it with rested eyes tommorow, and hopefully be able to comment. Sorry for posting so little today.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 19 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: 5th Scholar. It sounds as if you really think we should not focus on Odium, which you are stating A LOT. That makes me think you may be Odium trying to drag focus away from yourself. I'd say at this point, Shards are going to be MORE dangerous than Hoid or Khriss, unless we make an effort to free some nicer ones. For now, TheYoungPyromancer. Much as you say Fifth is suggesting we avoid focusing on Odium, it sounds to me like you’re taking attention away from Hoid and Khriss. Drought’s point about Odium’s alignment is a sensible one. If Shards start to be shattered, we’ll want to start worrying, but we should keep attention on Hoid and Khriss regardless.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: 5th Scholar. It sounds as if you really think we should not focus on Odium, which you are stating A LOT. That makes me think you may be Odium trying to drag focus away from yourself. I'd say at this point, Shards are going to be MORE dangerous than Hoid or Khriss, unless we make an effort to free some nicer ones. Were I truly Odium, would I really talk about it so much, thereby drawing attention to myself for it? I’ve already owned up to trying to steal a charge of Odium’s Investiture last night, which, if I had actually ended up with the Shard, would be something that’s incredibly dangerous to claim. In addition, I am not supporting that we don’t focus on Odium. What I am saying is that there are bigger problems right now. Hoid and Khriss are definitely bigger issues, because their win con will be 100% incompatible with the village. Whereas the Shardic win cons that come when the Shardic Intent overrides a person are likely compatible with villager goals. Odium’s probably won’t be, and he’s definitely a problem, but he isn’t one right now because his Intent hasn’t overridden yet and he’s likely in village hands. In addition, I’m not sure what you think lynching Odium would actually accomplish; the Shard would just pass to a random person who lynched them, and we’d be in the same boat. Oh, and voting Young Bard for now because I find his early advice unhelpful, and I’d like him to respond to my post accusing him. Edit: Post from page 2 where I specifically say Odium is an issue: It’s an issue because villagers have next to no motive to go for Odium unless they want to kill people. I’ll admit, I tried for Odium last turn. I don’t think anyone else will admit this, and I’m aware it paints a large target on my back. I wanted the Investiture and not the Shard, though, since I thought a kill action would be useful later. But I did NOT want to release the Shard, because now: 1) the person with Odium is going to try to shatter Cultivation, which eliminates our only means of restoring Shattered Shards, which means Odium can effectively cripple our Shardic ability use; 2) the person with Odium might want to get Odium’s individual win con, which is probably something that deals with Shattering all the Shards AND removes a 17th Sharder from our shrinking pool of villagers and 3) a vig kill every round isn’t good either, as even if it does hit either Elim team eventually it’ll probably hit twice as many villagers first. @Devotary of SpontaneityThanks for clarifying (I should read the rules), but as you yourself said, that doesn’t eliminate the dangers of Khriss doing it. Having our Shardic power dispersed among several planets will definitely make things more interesting at the least, and dangerous at the most. Edited March 18, 2018 by Fifth Scholar Added quote
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