Quick Fix Game 25: A Sundered Sky

Yitzi2 · August 4, 2017

2 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

Guys, I'm talking about the PM I mentioned in the thread D1 that told me to state my alignment and thoughts. I was just wondering if that player had sent a PM to just me or to a bunch of other people, so I PMed every third player on the player list. Turns out, I was the only one who received one. I was just gathering information and gauging reactions.

Ah. Maybe you should have been a bit less cryptic if that was what you meant.

TheMightyLopen · August 4, 2017

1 hour ago, Magestar said:

If I recall correctly, the people Rae asked weren't the only people that said their alignment. That doesn't exactly answer your question, though. I suppose I didn't expect anything besides what happened to happen, but that doesn't mean I like it. It doesn't exactly make me suspicious of Rae, more than I'm suspicious of anyone, but it doesn't make me happy either. As for making a parallel between role and alignment claiming, that was unintentional. I was rather rushed making that post, and I just meant to say that I'm not going to role claim, and that I usually wouldn't just say "I'm a villager", 'cause it sounds weird. Same for directly asking people that, although I suppose it's a decent sounding technique? Idk.

Not really more suspicious of anyone RN, if I had to name someone it'd probably be Winter or Rae, not because I'm really suspicious of them, but because I'm less suspicious of everyone else. Mostly a gut read on Winter, not sure about Rae.

Haven't had time to really go through this cycle yet hopefully I'll be able to do that later. Haven't seen anything super helpful on my quick skim of it.

This post reads suspicious to me. Mage.

The phrases I bolded in particular. He's going back and forth a lot, like he doesn't want to have a stance that could hurt him. It's like, he's not really saying anything here. Maybe he just hasn't had the time to form a lot of opinions, but I don't like the phrasing or the content.

I'm still a bit suspicious of Stick as well. Haven't seen much from her that makes me think village, but she's posted a fair amount, so it seems weird to me.

I was starting to get suspicious of Ecth because of all of that mess, but now that everything is clearer, he's back to neutral. Though, the way he picked up votes on D1 kind of makes me lean village.

Arraenae · August 4, 2017

Here begins an ISO of Stick. It's going to be in two posts, one where I pull out posts from the locked thread, link then, and comment on them, and another post where I quote everything Stick has said in this thread and comment on it. I wish I could multiquote from locked threads.

Stick puts out a theoretical question and answers it. She also summons El to answer a question. She doesn't really say much in that post.

Recordkeeping of Stick's reads:

Null: Rae

Stick quotes Megasif, who asks about the Truthless, and answers with a description of the Truthless alignment.

More recordkeeping. Stick says that she wants to vote on Ecth, but there's no reason to. Then she says that Eternum is suspicious but she doesn't want to vote on him because it's D1 and he's new. Both of these posts feel like hedging. The only thing of substance she really says is that she thinks I'm Truthless. This post feels a little elim-like.

Truthless: Rae

Suspicious of: Ecth, Eternum

Stick defends herself from Drake by saying that just because he made some elim mistake doesn't mean she did too. I don't know what Drake is referring to, since I didn't see that post, so I'll have to look it up later. Out of context though, it's not a very strong defense and feels elimy.

Winter says she agrees with Drake that Stick is suspicious. Stick asks for more reasoning. Her defense still isn't very strong. It's more ridiculing Drake's argument than anything else.

Stick hedges more here. First she says that she doesn't want to vote on Ecth because there isn't a lot of reasoning and he always dies early. Later on, she says that she would support a lynch on him. These two positions are irreconciliable, and it looks like Stick wants to say something without committing herself.

She says that she doesn't like the Flash lynch and he feels null.

Then she says that she's suspicious of Megasif and would be okay with lynching him. She ISOs him later.

This post also feels rather elimy.

Recordkeeping:

Suspicious of: Ecth, Mega

Null: Flash

Here Stick asks if the Truthless is technically village, which is weird, considering that she answered Megasif about what a Truthless does when killed.

Stick ISOs Megasif here. She asks him some quesrions about what he has said. At the end, she concludes that she wouldn't want a Megasif lynch, because she think he's village but still is wary.

This feels off. First Stick says that she would be okay with a Megasif lynch, then she says she wouldn't be? I realize that villagers can and do change their minds, but I don't like the inconsistency here.

Recordkeeping:

Null/Village: Megasif

Here Stick wonders about the possibility of an elim Truthless. It really doesn't feel like she read the rules clearly.

That's all of Stick's C1 posts.

Megasif · August 4, 2017

@Orlok Tsubodai Sorry I haven't linked it but almost all of the questions you asked were also asked by stick and I answered them in the previous cycle. I only have access to phone so it's really inconvenient :wacko:

TheMightyLopen · August 4, 2017

Vote tally:

Sami(1): PK
Orlok(1): Eleth
Eleth(1): Orlok
PK(1): Jondesu
Mage(1): Lopen

That's all of them I think. Pretty pathetic, tbh. I'll likely vote PK or Sami if no one joins me on Mage or Stick(speaking of @Arraenae, are you gonna vote on Stick after that analysis of her posts? Looked to me like you read her as suspicious). I just need to review both of them before I decide, since PK is voting Sami. Leaning PK I think. The fact that he's placed 2 early votes(1 a poke vote that he kept all Cycle) and hasn't really participated in voting after that makes me wonder about him. I've gotten village vibes from Orlok and Eleth. Not strong ones really, but I don't think I'd want to lynch either of them. I would like to hear back from Eleth about that PM regarding Orlok though.

Arinian · August 4, 2017

13 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Vote tally:

Sami(1): PK
Orlok(1): Eleth
Eleth(1): Orlok
PK(1): Jondesu
Mage(1): Lopen

That's all of them I think. Pretty pathetic, tbh. I'll likely vote PK or Sami if no one joins me on Mage or Stick(speaking of @Arraenae, are you gonna vote on Stick after that analysis of her posts? Looked to me like you read her as suspicious). I just need to review both of them before I decide, since PK is voting Sami. Leaning PK I think. The fact that he's placed 2 early votes(1 a poke vote that he kept all Cycle) and hasn't really participated in voting after that makes me wonder about him. I've gotten village vibes from Orlok and Eleth. Not strong ones really, but I don't think I'd want to lynch either of them. I would like to hear back from Eleth about that PM regarding Orlok though.

If you want it "Shrug" Stick.

TheMightyLopen · August 4, 2017

Alrighty then. Mage Stick

@_Stick_, just so you know you're currently up for the lynch.

Megasif · August 5, 2017

I'm going to go with Mage for now. Their posts just seemed a bit weird to me last cycle as well. Lopen has given a better reason above. Mine's mostly a gut read atm.

Edit: Lopen has changed his vote but I'm keeping mine here since I won't be around for rollover and in case they decide to change it to mage.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Megasif

**Orlok Tsubodai** · August 5, 2017

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@Orlok Tsubodai, it’s honestly a random vote. I don’t ever get enough to go on from Stink and he’s usually Elim when I ignore him, so I don’t want to ignore him. I had no legitimate suspicions to put forward, though, despite the plethora of posts this cycle, because so much of it is just as random or is only going to be helpful after we find out an alignment or two. Ecth and Flash were the only bandwagons, and had I been inclined to join one anyway, I’ve already explained why I didn’t like either of those.

I may still switch my vote before the end (sorry El!).

@Jondesu, did you come back online following making this post? What made you keep your vote on Stink?

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I'd prefer a lynch on Flash or Stick to Ecth. If anyone disagrees with the Ecth lynch and agrees with one of those 2 lynches more than the Ecth one, I'd be happy to add my vote to either of them.

Edit: Oh, and reasons? Ecth lynch seems easy, Flash and Stick seem off to me.

@TheMightyLopen, after making this post, why did you not follow through and commit to voting for either Stick or Flash? Given yo seemed to disagree with the lynch of Ecthelion vocally, why did you not act in a manner to prevent it?

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Secondly, if I make a habit of hopping from person to person, people won't take the D1 votes seriously. They'll just give a response and wait for me to move my vote. If I wait longer, the pressure mounts and I can see how people react.

@Paranoid King, don’t you think that after the majority of a cycle, multiple votes being placed and retracted, we’ve learnt enough? What more did you really think a poke vote would give us at this stage? Flash had faced far more pressure earlier in the cycle. This feels like a very poor reason for keeping your vote on him, to me, and more like an excuse than something thought through. Unless I come across a better option as my analysis continues, Paranoid King.

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1st up, Winter. I don't know their playstyle very much since they were before my time, but they did seem to be drawing quite a bit of focus, and didn't quite seem to fit in with how I thought a villager would act. I don't know in the end though, so it's partially a gut read. Another part of it is that if El's such a troll GM as you all seem to say, is it really so far off to say that he'd toss the returning player in as an Elim for their first game in a while?

@Elithanathile, what about Winter’s playstyle do you find disagreeable? She’s been generating a lot of noise, certainly, but I don’t think it is uncharacteristic of her. Do you really think ascribing suspicion on the basis of something a GM might have done is a good idea? That seems extraordinarily tenuous to me.

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2nd, Ecth. I will confess that both stating alignment and possible role makes him somewhat suspicious, and ever more so since he hasn't really defended himself from that so far as I've seen. I have done the same thing before, just putting down what I thought it was instead of the exact wording before, (and in the wrong color too.) and I ended up getting lynched that cycle. So I know it's possible for it to be a mistake. So still suspicious, but holding off for now.

@Elithanathile, at what point did Ecthelion state his possible role? He said he was a Squire, which is the name of the village faction this game. He also wasn’t online between his post and yours - how did you expect him to defend himself? I find it very strange that you profess suspicion of him after saying that the action everyone is voting on him for is NAI, and that you’ve done it yourself - why retain suspicion?

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So yep, voting on STINK this time and quite possibly in the future, depending on how things go.

@Elithanathile, in your first post of this cycle, before Stink had posted again, you set out your suspicions. Stink wasn’t on that list. What changed between voting for him and declaring him suspicious enough to do so again, and then not including him on your list of suspicions?

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I really don't find Ecth suspicious at all, really. Flash, I don't know his playstyle at all, but he seems slightly Elim-ish to me. My most suspicious read, however, especially out of the candidates on the board, is Stick. It's... mostly gut, although there are some things that particularly struck me as off that I'd go into depth if it weren't right at the end of the cycle (sorry :/ - I had an IRL event, and wasn't able to get on until this point, so this if my first opportunity to respond to all the things that have happened since I went to bed yesterday) Actually, I'm kind of worried that Stick is a Truthless, but I think a Day 1 lynch of some kind would be useful, because I think it will net us some information regardless of alignment. (Also, I said I was going to vote last night - I didn't, I'm sorry - I had an IRL thing, and then I had second thoughts about voting on Stick last night, so I went to bed.)

After this, I'm going to go and do a vote count, and see if I can get an accurate one up by the end of the cycle (probably not, but I can try). Tonight, I'll do a much more in depth analysis of Stick's and Flash's posts, as they appear to be the runner ups of tonights lynch, give a general rundown of suspicions, hopefully with a piece of evidence or two for each to give something better to respond to than a 'gut read', hopefully get an RP up, and try and make a guess about El's balancing based on how many Stonewards and Dustbringers we know there to be.

@The Young Bard, you voiced unsubstantiated suspicion of Stick last cycle, and promised to provide reasoning this cycle. Do you remain suspicious of her? Why?

20 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

Vote Tally (rearranged from before) (assuming Flash's is correct at the time he posted it):

Ecth (5) stink, roadrunner, megasif, stick, flash

Flash (5) PK, Eternum, Arranae, Orlok, Bard

Stick (2) Arinian, Drake

Jondesu (1) Elenion

Megasif (1) Jondesu

Roadwalker(1) Elithanathile

Rae (1) Winter

And after the Stonewards and Dustbringers:

Vote Count (changes bolded/strikethroughed):
>Ecth (4): Megasif, Roadwalker, Stick, Winter , ~~Megasif~~, ~~Stink~~
>Flash (4): Orlok, PK, Eternum, Bard, ~~Arraenae~~
>Stick (3): Arinian, Drake, Flash
>Stink (2): Jondesu, Elithanathile, ~~Arinian~~, ~~Drake~~
>Jondesu (1): Elenion
>Megasif (0): ~~Jondesu~~
>Roadwalker(0): ~~Elithanathile~~
>Rae(0): ~~Winter~~

Stoneward actions:

Winter: Rae ---> Ecth (could be villager or an elim - personally didn't find Ecth suspicious, but by the looks of things, plenty of other villagers did)
Jondesu: Megasif ---> Stink (I think they might have been following my instructions here, because Stink was never really seriously up for the lynch, and Mega had one vote on them)
Elithanathile: Roadwalker ---> Stink (Ditto to above)

Dustbringer actions:

Megasif: Ecth
Stink: Ecth
Arraenae: Flash
Arinian: Stink
Drake: Stink

3 Stonewards and 5 Dustbringers. That's a lot more than I was expecting. If I were to guess at distributions, I'd say that the Skybreakers probably have possibly 1 Dustbringer, and then another role that's either a Dustbringer or a Stoneward. I don't think El would give an Elsecaller role to an Elim - if they were suspicious enough to be lynched, then theres no point in delaying the inevitable by a cycle - it only slows down the inevitable. There's also no point to them having a Lightweaver, since there are no vig kill roles.

That's it for now - I'm off to an RL event, I'll be on tonight to defend my vote swaps and discuss the previous cycle, and my reads on it in greater depth.

@The Young Bard, I'd like you to go through your logic for determining the numbers of rioters and soothers you posit. It looks pretty clear to me that Stink was soothed off Ecthelion, Flash rioted onto Stick, and Winter rioted onto Ecthelion. Would you mind clearing this up? At present, I'm concerned about why you'd make a post creating so much confusion.

19 hours ago, Elithanathile said:

Wait, when did I vote on Roadwalker? The only person I ever put a vote on was STINK, so there was no vote movement there. I was wondering about that last cycle as well when I saw your vote tally, but thought it was just an error or that was STINK's character name. So yeah, I only ever voted on STINK, nobody else.

And for suspicions, I have my suspicions about Ecth, slightly, Winter, somewhat, and then Orlok. It was pointed out to me in a PM that last cycle, Orlok's first big post had some stuff about vote manipulation in it before it was edited and that stuff was taken out. Possibly not wanting to bring up the topic if he had the role. Combined with the vote tally being mixed around, it's possible that Orlok or another vote manip messed with them and made sure that Flash was killed instead of Ecth.

So after that, I now have about equal suspicion on Orlok and Ecth.

Willing to put a vote on Orlok for now though, since I feel cautious enough.

And @Paranoid King, is there any chance we could hear this awesome rap of yours, even if things have changed? It would still be incredibly amusing to think of the situation. And also you asked me to ask about it so you had an excuse to actually post it after you took the time to make it. You're welcome. (Insert obligatory Moana song here.)

Just flagging once more, @Elithanathile, that this is complete nonsense, and that it's an issue for the IM if you do believe this to be the case. Although I've now voted on PK, I do not like that you're trying to lynch me on something so obviously fabricated. Did someone really tell you that in a PM? If so, who are they? Why keep their identity from the thread?

11 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Dan stands dumbfounded. How did someone manage to stick a dagger in a specific recruit's chest while in a dogpile? Was is fore-planned? Dan glances at the one who started the tripping business, Spiff. He appears to be singing, in a strange way, a song about killing bad guys. Maybe the delinquent simply seized the opportunity as it presented itself? But why target Aaliyah of all people? Dan recalls how Aaliyah expressed her suspicion on Dan earlier. Is someone trying to frame Dan- who is human?! He needs to think, consider everything that happened before Aaliyah and Johnny's deaths. Deep in thought, he wonders away from the crowd, nearly walking into another recruit.

oooo, interesting. What does 'stuff about vote manipulation' involve, though? Oh, and @person who PM'd Elith, can you PM me this cycle? Thanks.

Well, the post in question does say it's been edited, what did you edit in/out if not the stuff about vote manips?

Oh and Lopen, PK and Bard I'd really appreciate it if y'all could say what makes you suspicious of me

@_Stick_, why would you possibly want to be PMd by that player? This post makes me suspicious that you're attempting to cover up being said player who PMd @Elithanathile, if they did exist.

11 hours ago, winter devotion said:

John contemplated their life choices. Two dead friends. It could only be a bad sign of things to come. So they did the only thing they knew how to do-- act like a moron.

Jebus's post about skybreaker's not knowing who the others are seems suspicious... or just someone who didn't read the rules carefully enough like I didn't. They've all got a doc. But that seems too purposeful a mistake. So I think I will vote Jebus

@winter devotion, regardless of Jesus being a new player, as has been established, why would posting about Skybreakers not knowing each others' identifies be suspicious? It looks like it's clearly a confused villager. What gave you the impression that it was remotely evil-indicative? What makes it a useful purposeful mistake? It's easily caught and called out, and draws attention to him.

10 hours ago, Arinian said:

I was in couple games where you was elim and your behavior in this game looks closer to elim!Stick then village!Stick. Maybe I'm wrong about that and your playstyle just changed "shrug" we will see it sooner or later

Or I'm still bad in reading you... bad in reading stick's

@Arinian, as I recall, you used the same argument to justify voting on Stick in AG3, and were wrong about her alignment then. What makes you more confident now?

Edited August 5, 2017 by Orlok Tsubodai
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Magestar · August 5, 2017

2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

The phrases I bolded in particular. He's going back and forth a lot, like he doesn't want to have a stance that could hurt him. It's like, he's not really saying anything here. Maybe he just hasn't had the time to form a lot of opinions, but I don't like the phrasing or the content.

I don't have a lot of opinions RN. Like I said, I've been busy, and I haven't had a lot of time to really thoroughly read over the cycles. There's also only been two.

As for going back and forth... I didn't feel like I had a lot to say, first of all, but I want to try and be participatory in this game so I posted something. Also, it's not unusual for me to not say anything solid right away. I tend to sort of stream-of-thought post, so my opinions might change over the course of a post, as I'm basically just typing what I'm thinking.

15 minutes ago, Megasif said:

I'm going to go with Mage for now. Their posts just seemed a bit weird to me last cycle as well. Lopen has given a better reason above. Mine's mostly a gut read atm.

*post. I only posted once last cycle. I was rather busy.

I'm not going to put a vote right now but I will start putting them tomorrow. Tomorrow I should be pretty active, and hopefully should stay active for the rest of this game.

Paranoid King · August 5, 2017

10 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I corrected a typo I noticed when rereading my post.

Elithanathile, voting on you until you reveal the identity of your PM contact. I am really rather interested in the identity of the player trying to get my lynched on a falsehood.

That was probably me. I noticed you had edited that post, and I thought it was different from when I read it before. All I said to Eleth was that you might be a vote manip, because it looked like you had edited that post.

Not trying to get you lynched here.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Paranoid King
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Elithanathile · August 5, 2017

IIIIII'm baaaaaaaaack~

Okay, so yes, working for 9 hours is painful and doesn't give you a whole lot of free time. So this is actually the first time I've seen the thread since last night.

Few things I took note of, main thing is that Orlok denied having anything in his post about vote manipulation, which is perfectly possible as I didn't see it before the edits. In which case I give up the name of my Informant, @Paranoid King, so you guys can question him about that. I will also remove my vote on Orlok, but I would request if anyone else saw the post before it was edited to verify that it was just a typo. If it was, then PK fed me some false info on purpose. Oh, and PK just responded, probably saying he was the one that told me, since he knew that I would be outing him as the person who gave the info. So that's nice.

Losing suspicion on both Orlok and Ecth very quickly, mostly leaving me with Winter, which I could still chalk up to not being used to the playstyle, and STINK, who seems to have gotten very defensive. Also I noticed his posts are fewer lines now. And I'm not trying to kill a player who's making more analysis, I'm voting on a player who I believe has the info and is creating reasons to have it. And no, I was not trying to kill you, STINK. I was dropping a vote on you, partially to see how'd you react, and also to show where my strongest suspicions lied at the moment. Currently that's again with you, so the vote will carry on, STINK.

I was also asked why I didn't have STINK in with my earlier suspicions, and that is due to the fact that it was the beginning of the first cycle. I voted on him due to playstyle worries, which I cannot see if he has yet to post.

And yeah, sorry. I kinda put down Role and Alignment as interchangeable in that post on Ecthelion, but I don't know if Squire is a hidden role or not that happens to be village, so I stuck with it.

And then there's probably more stuff in the thread that I missed while looking through for stuff that seemed relevant to me. I should still be here for the next hour(?) maybe if you guys have questions.

**STINK** · August 5, 2017

2 minutes ago, Elithanathile said:

I was dropping a vote on you, partially to see how'd you react

lmao why do i even try with this game anymore

Jondesu · August 5, 2017

@Orlok Tsubodai, I did briefly get back on, and I think posted again, but our home internet went down so I didn’t have anything other than mobile access to do more reviewing of posts, plus I had to go to bed. At that point I wasn’t less suspicious of Stink than others, even if it was without a specific cause, and I also knew it wasn’t going tip the lynch (turns out I was rioted anyway, so it might not have mattered if I did change my vote, except to benefit analysis), so I just didn’t worry about going back and making a new vote on anyone.

TheMightyLopen · August 5, 2017

Orlok, I mentioned at the start of this Cycle that I fell asleep before I got a chance to vote. I would have voted at the time of the post you quoted, but I wanted to see who other players would choose first. I'd already stated willingness to lynch either, so I was trying to get more players to place a vote that would actually be a serious vote. I would have gone through with voting Flash since I was already leaning that way, if that means anything to you.

**STINK** · August 5, 2017

16 minutes ago, STINK said:

lmao why do i even try with this game anymore

to explain this a bit more:

if i do a long post, people will try to meta-read me and be all like 'long posts = evil!' so i cant long post

if i do a short post, people get annoyed at me for not being helpful enough or whatever so i cant short post

if i do a combination of the two, someone will go 'they only did X when I said X so stink = evil!'

like honestly at this point i cant post without being meta-read in a frankly stupid way

Stick. · August 5, 2017

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

More recordkeeping. Stick says that she wants to vote on Ecth, but there's no reason to. Then she says that Eternum is suspicious but she doesn't want to vote on him because it's D1 and he's new. Both of these posts feel like hedging. The only thing of substance she really says is that she thinks I'm Truthless. This post feels a little elim-like.

No, I didn't say there's no reason for me to vote on ecth just that there isn't enough. The alignment wording thing seemed too small a reason.

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

defends herself from Drake by saying that just because he made some elim mistake doesn't mean she did too. I don't know what Drake is referring to, since I didn't see that post, so I'll have to look it up later. Out of context though, it's not a very strong defense and feels elimy.

Not some elim mistake; just a general comment. Like these kinda suspicions are even worst than the alignment wording thing 'cause how was I supposed to defend myself against that? I can't say 'no this isn't something you wouldve said as an elim'. This isnt exactly a reason for suspicion you can argue against.

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

Winter says she agrees with Drake that Stick is suspicious. Stick asks for more reasoning. Her defense still isn't very strong. It's more ridiculing Drake's argument than anything else.

Again, Winter's reasons for suspecting me were even worse than Drake's because how does Winter agree with the fact that Drake would've said something like what I did when he's elim? Wasn't really bothered defending myself when I didn't know what they were agreeing with there.

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

Stick hedges more here. First she says that she doesn't want to vote on Ecth because there isn't a lot of reasoning and he always dies early. Later on, she says that she would support a lynch on him. These two positions are irreconciliable, and it looks like Stick wants to say something without committing herself.

At first I explained why I was hesitant to vote on Ecth earlier- past tense but I didnt have any better leads so I said I'd support an ecth lynch if it came down to it. And like my vote suggests, I did.

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

Then she says that she's suspicious of Megasif and would be okay with lynching him. She ISOs him later

I didn't say I would be okay with lynching megasif? I said he felt off to me and that I'd like to consider him for the lynch. Hence my next post which analysed megasif's posts.

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

Here Stick asks if the Truthless is technically village, which is weird, considering that she answered Megasif about what a Truthless does when killed.

In the rules, it is listed with the other 'roles' not 'alignments'. So I'd assumed the village would get the truthless, since before the start of the game, for whatever reason >>

3 hours ago, Arraenae said:

This feels off. First Stick says that she would be okay with a Megasif lynch, then she says she wouldn't be? I realize that villagers can and do change their minds, but I don't like the inconsistency here.

Again, when did I say I'd be okay with lynching megasif?

1 hour ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

why would you possibly want to be PMd by that player?

At the time, i actually believed theyd caught something useful. If they didn't want to reveal themselves to the thread for whatever reasons, which i figured was the case when BB didn't mention their name, I figured I could ask for a pm.

This is like a random hour in the middle of the night and I'm glad I woke up to pray and decided to check on the thread.

Edit: yeah that ISO post seems an awful lot like tunnelling, Rae.

Edited August 5, 2017 by _Stick_
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TheMightyLopen · August 5, 2017

Yeah, Elithanathile, I don't think that the length of Stink's posts is really alignment indicative. I've played quite a lot of games with him, and I don't know of any obvious tells he has as an elim. I feel like he posts what he wants, and reading too much into it is likely to end with a mislynch more often than not.

Whoever is online and reads this: Who would you lynch between Stick, Mage, or PK? I put Mage in there because it's possible I'll switch to him from Stick, and right now Stick and PK both have the most votes with 2 which is the reason for them being there.

Elithanathile · August 5, 2017

Between Stick, Mage and PK, I'd go with PK. I'm getting a village read from Stick, am neutral on Mage, and somewhat suspicious of PK.\

The original reason I voted on STINK was due to the post length, but after that he seemed to get really defensive. It's very possible that I'm wrong, but I haven't seen that he's contributed too much to the village side so far, and seems to be way too defensive, at least to my tastes, sounding kinda aggressive and lashing out. So unless you need me to move my vote to make sure we kill the right person and it's not a tie, my vote will probably stay where it's at for now.

Jondesu · August 5, 2017

1 hour ago, STINK said:

to explain this a bit more:

if i do a long post, people will try to meta-read me and be all like 'long posts = evil!' so i cant long post

if i do a short post, people get annoyed at me for not being helpful enough or whatever so i cant short post

if i do a combination of the two, someone will go 'they only did X when I said X so stink = evil!'

like honestly at this point i cant post without being meta-read in a frankly stupid way

If it helps, my vote was entirely gut, and even that was mostly random.

Sart · August 5, 2017

I'm getting suspicious of Arinian. He seemed way too eager to lynch Stick, and he has been throwing a lot of suspicion around.

Stick. · August 5, 2017

Sorry for double-posting,but I don't want to edit all this in on mobile.

Village:

Jebus, megasif, winter, DA, Stink, Ecth (maaaybe)

Null/Need more info:

Mage, Len, Orlok (really confused about this read. Might put him under village, I think?), Roadwalker, Jondesu, Sami, Bard, yitzi, Sart

Elim:

Elith, Eternum, PK, Rae, Arinian, Lopen(skeptical about this one)

The null section is lengthier than I would've liked, but these are the reads on all players right now, couldn't bother giving reasons for all of these, sorry >> Just wanted to them out here in case I get lynched. Oh, and they aren't on order or anything. I followed the order from the player list.

Oh it's not a double post then nvm

Edited August 5, 2017 by _Stick_
forgot arinian sorry. couldve sworn the lopen read was in here...

Jondesu · August 5, 2017

1 hour ago, Paranoid King said:

That was probably me. I noticed you had edited that post, and I thought it was different from when I read it before. All I said to Eleth was that you might be a vote manip, because it looked like you had edited that post.

Not trying to get you lynched here.

You know, I’d take a dim view of that tactic. Orlok has played long enough and has enough integrity not to edit his posts for any major content, even if he realized it was a big mistake. Let’s make sure we’re not accusing people of breaking rules when we’re hunting for suspicion.

Arraenae · August 5, 2017

14 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Dan stands dumbfounded. How did someone manage to stick a dagger in a specific recruit's chest while in a dogpile? Was is fore-planned? Dan glances at the one who started the tripping business, Spiff. He appears to be singing, in a strange way, a song about killing bad guys. Maybe the delinquent simply seized the opportunity as it presented itself? But why target Aaliyah of all people? Dan recalls how Aaliyah expressed her suspicion on Dan earlier. Is someone trying to frame Dan- who is human?! He needs to think, consider everything that happened before Aaliyah and Johnny's deaths. Deep in thought, he wonders away from the crowd, nearly walking into another recruit.

oooo, interesting. What does 'stuff about vote manipulation' involve, though? Oh, and @person who PM'd Elith, can you PM me this cycle? Thanks.

Well, the post in question does say it's been edited, what did you edit in/out if not the stuff about vote manips?

Oh and Lopen, PK and Bard I'd really appreciate it if y'all could say what makes you suspicious of me

Here starts an ISO of things Stick has said C2 that have stuck out. I've already lost this post once before, so please bear with me if things seem rather rushed, because I would like to finish this ISO.

Stick asks questions and says stuff in RP. I think she suggests that the elims might have killed Drake to frame her, which seems weird because I don't remember Drake pushing the Stick lynch very hard, if he ever voted on her.

12 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Huh. If that's the case, I really want to know who that PM contact of yours is, @Elithanathile

What was it, again, other than gut? (Sorry, I forget)

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