Long Game 37: Coyote Stories

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Contribution Crusade lynches aren't really for information, they're for getting rid of inactives(and if someone's inactive, lynching them isn't going to give us information since they haven't really posted... ).

Okay. Don't tunnel though.

#thesassisreal  I know that it's for inactivity, I'm just saying why would we want to lynch someone who's only been inactive for 1 cycle. That wouldn't have been helpful at all. 

Pffff when have I ever tunneled.... @Burnt Spaghetti please don't answer that xD hahaha

[Steeldancer he/him]

5 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

#thesassisreal  I know that it's for inactivity, I'm just saying why would we want to lynch someone who's only been inactive for 1 cycle. That wouldn't have been helpful at all. 

Pffff when have I ever tunneled.... @Burnt Spaghetti please don't answer that xD hahaha

*waves excitedly* hi brightness!!! We're in the same game again

I am going to think more upon why I might have been killed. If they had been truly successful that would be the second LG in a row where I get targeted by the elims in the first day. Which is both a compliment, and annoying. Share the love, please and thank you. 

As for eliminators, I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to the court thread before this, but I agree with the reasoning for Ecth being evil. However, I'm going to refrain from actually voting until tomorrow. I'll try to make some time tomorrow to make my own thorough analysis, which might not happen because of time with friends tomorrow. But I'll try. 

[Ecthelion III he/him]

I slid the statue into place behind me and crawled farther into the secret passage. That was a close one.

The passage in question led from the office I had just left into a spare classroom which hadn't been used in a very long time, as far as I knew. I traveled along the passage for a ways until I came to a hatch in the floor, which I slid aside and jumped down into the vacant room.

Or at least, it should have been vacant.

At the last second before falling down, I grabbed onto the edge of the hatch. My legs hung down above the table I usually landed on, which was now occupied--a girl was sitting down at it, looking down at a picture she was drawing and surrounded by other drawings of the people around her.

She looked up at me hanging from the hole in the ceiling. I blushed slightly.

"Um, hello! My name is Logan, nice to meet you."

@BrightnessRadiant

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Here's my reasoning for my actions yesterday. I nominated Brightness because we're best friends and also as a Discord-related joke (the strikethroughed Chancellor is a reference to a game we've played on there).

If you've played a lot of games with me in the past, you'll know that I am strongly against no-lynches, not only because they give us no information but also because one vote could potentially swing it. Though a Shqueeves lynch would give us little to no information, it would protect against vote swings and still not kill an active player. Along that same vein, I also wanted to test for a vote minimum, which we now know there is.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

Only have a bit of time to post right now, since I am working on getting caught up on schoolwork still, ugh.

Altea looked around at the students and creatures milling about in the meeting place. 'This is...disconcerting.' She thought to herself, staying in the outskirts of the crowd, watching how everyone interacted with each other instead of interacting, herself. She looks at the girl she had spoken with previously-Michelle. She seemed to be calling for the removal of another student--someone named Logan, if she remembered correctly. Another student called for the removal of the robot A.N.W.I.R., and she heard the sound of quiet agreements from her fellow students. The Gunnerkrigg were not the only ones calling for the removal of their peers--the Gillette had discord among their members, as well. 'This meeting seems chaotic, but might it prove useful, yet? The infiltrators from the Woods may try and contact their own in the night. Perhaps I shall keep an eye open tonight?' She mused to herself internally, continuing to watch the proceedings around her. She came to a decision and walks quietly over to someone, "Sir Young, I believe Locke Tekiel is on the right track. I have noticed suspicious behaviour from the robot called A.N.W.I.R. lately, and believe he may be an infiltrator from the Woods. After Medium Small Large began proclaiming his desire for Medium-ship, A.N.W.I.R. proclaimed a counter desire for the same honour. His reasoning behind this, was due to him finding it boring for only one student to be campaigning with no competition. The way he has gone about talking has left a hollow sense of danger chewing in the depths of my stomach, and I believe it would be wise to set in motion the deconstruction of the aforementioned robot, for fear of him being a Woods member in disguise. While I am all for peace between us, these infiltrators eradicated one of my fellow students through the cloak of night, and that is unacceptable." After she finished her proclamation, Altea went back to silently observe the proceedings once again.

[feel free to talk to Altea, I may just be slow to replying. I'd love a bit of rp. @BrightnessRadiant, sorry that I didn't respond last night. :c I didn't get on again until this morning, and didn't know until then that the night cycle's are only one day long.]

I have had a gut elim read on Drake Marshal since fairly early in the first cycle, and his posts have only made my suspicion grow for him. The way he went about his ploy to become Medium rubbed me the wrong way, and my suspicion only grew from there. Reading Orlok's post voicing his suspicions has only made me feel more sure of my own suspicions, and pm interactions has further increased my surety. I believe Drake is an Eliminator, and I would be very happy if we Courts-men could all come together and get him lynched today.

[Clanky he/him]

I think I'm more in line with attempting to lynch a villager from the Forest than attempt to find a forester among us at least at this point of the game. There is a reason this game isn't two separate games so I'm not sure we should just treat this like two games that just happen to be in the same thread. 

Now with that said, I will admit that I haven't had time to read anything form the forest thread since the first couple hours of day 1. So I have no idea who is even all from the forest let alone who might be a good lynch target from there. My biggest suspect so far from the court Lopen at the moment. He is been pretty vocally anti-lynch all game so far even though he is 40% flash is evil. That seems like enough confidence for at least a vote

[Jondesu he/him]

6 hours ago, Jondesu said:

I got nothing, though. Sorry. Maybe tonight when I get home I’ll try sifting through the threads. I’ve been getting village reads on most of the players in the Forest thread, though, which isn’t helpful.

Yes, I know I'm quoting myself.

No, it wasn't a mistake.

No, I won't be getting to this tonight after all.

Yes, I know that isn't helpful.

At least I'm honest?

[A Budgie she/her]

(someone asked what my character looked like- she's got medium-length brown hair and eyes, with fairly pale skin)
Budgie had listened to the conversation, but only spoke up now.
"I've gotta admit, I'm kinda suspicious of A.N.W.I.R. too. Their being excited to kill off someone, and saying they'll lie for the good of their people me wondering, and the fact that they're a robot? Man, everyone knows the forest hates the things. So it's a good hiding place- something we expect to have no association with them."

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

37 minutes ago, Clanky said:

I think I'm more in line with attempting to lynch a villager from the Forest than attempt to find a forester among us at least at this point of the game. There is a reason this game isn't two separate games so I'm not sure we should just treat this like two games that just happen to be in the same thread. 

Now with that said, I will admit that I haven't had time to read anything form the forest thread since the first couple hours of day 1. So I have no idea who is even all from the forest let alone who might be a good lynch target from there. My biggest suspect so far from the court Lopen at the moment. He is been pretty vocally anti-lynch all game so far even though he is 40% flash is evil. That seems like enough confidence for at least a vote

That comment about Flash was because he was killed in the Woods and converted over here, and because he was killed by the eliminators, that means he was village over there. There's a 40% chance you'll change alignment when you switch threads, which is the number I was using.

[Clanky he/him]

43 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

That comment about Flash was because he was killed in the Woods and converted over here, and because he was killed by the eliminators, that means he was village over there. There's a 40% chance you'll change alignment when you switch threads, which is the number I was using.

Well I am very smart and didn't miss anything super obvious at all... 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Wow. Y'alls have been prolific today. Good job.

 

Some Q&A with Orlok. Thank goodness the shard doesn't make a seperate notification for every time somebody mentions you in a single post.

13 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

@Drake Marshall, I think there's another aspect not being considered here. In a normal game, eliminator distribution is somewhere between 20-25%. Someone moving across is 15-20% more likely to be an eliminator. However, they’re also not tied to the existing eliminator team in any way, and so give us no information for future lynches, essentially costing a cycle of discussion and a player to the night kill. I'd argue that a more useful strategy might be to leave them alive, as “safe lynches”. We can lynch them either after we’re confident that the original eliminator team are dead (due to having 3-4 dead Gillitie originally in the Gunnerkrigg thread), when we’re confident that we’ve gained enough information that we can afford a cycle of little discussion, giving us time to analyse, or after they've had a few cycles to interact, and so become a useful lynch information-wise. I’d argue that there's also an element of fun involved, here. The Test, and dual threads is a fascinating mechanic, and I don't want to support a strategy that massively dissuades the use of a major part of the game’s mechanics.

@Drake Marshall, it’s apparent from this post that unlike Stink, you hadn’t been planning on a run at medium before the game started. I’m slightly suspicious of players attempting to benefit from a counter-bandwagon to Stink - it would be. Very sensible place for an eliminator to sit. What do you think would make you a better medium than Stink?

Mea maxima culpa, @Drake Marshall. I looked through MR23, and couldn't find you having done this personally. I suspect I linked you to it following Alv’s public frustration with my actions, when you, as a member of his doc, had been doing the very same thing, to a yet greater degree. Regardless, I am sorry for accusing you of this statement, and so make a public apology.

@Drake Marshall, what makes you think that everyone switching wouldn’t be a boring choice? Why the continued insistence on this strategy? It strikes me as a way to ensure a reduced number of villagers in the Court thread, more than anything else, which clearly is of benefit to the eliminators.  

@Drake Marshall, this assumes that we would all prefer to win in a boring manner than play an interesting game. I’d rather have fun, and a challenging game trying to catch up, even if I lose, than guarantee myself a win by jumping thread. Why do you play SE? Is it to be able to say “I’ve won x% of games”, or to enjoy yourself, and try to improve as a player?

@Drake Marshall, this appears rather incongruous with your earlier posts. Why the change of change of heart? Alternatively, why are you advocating people taking the test, whilst not planning on doing so yourself? That strikes me as somewhat suspicious.

@Drake Marshall, I hadn’t noticed this from you last cycle, but what exactly do you hope to gain from a contribution crusade lynch? It was halfway through D1, and wouldn’t generate any information at all. In conjunction with the other posts I’ve highlighted above, I can’t help but think this might be an attempt to ensure a villager dies D1, without generating discussion.

I agree that it makes sense to lynch a Court member. We need a lynch today, and lynching a forest villager would be kind of dumb. Although your particular choice for a Court member to lynch is obviously wrong

Now, in response to each of your mentions. For convenience, I'll just number these instead of individually quoting them:

1. The "safe lynch" idea is sensible. Flash, welcome to the "safe lynch" party.

2. Why did I put myself forward as medium? Because it was boring to have a one candidate election. Especially when we apparently weren't lynching anyone D1, either (I think this is something to be regretted). Why can't we be more like the forest  they're discussion was much more interesting. Also I dispute the assertion that it is inherently a good thing for somebody to have decided to run for mediumship before the game started. If you go off that and only that, you're basically just rolling the dice on your medium's alignment.

3. I've already told you this in a PM last cycle. But I understand why you would reach that conclusion, given the situation in MR23. I do not and never really did hold the allegation against you. Although I did contest it.

4.  You may have overlooked some of the posts where I advised against actually pursuing this course of action. I continued bringing up this strategy, because the fact that it is possible really rubs me the wrong way.

5. See above. I am very much geared towards finding unexpected scenarios that break things. I guess it just comes with being a computer programmer. Because seriously, that's like 80% of what programming is about. Of coarse I don't care about winning ratios. I've lost way more games than I've won in SE, and you still see me sticking around, don't you?

6. I never said I'm not planning to take the test myself. I am absolutely leaving that option open.

7. I know you don't approve of lynching inactives. I believe we may have talked about this a little in PM. A contribution crusade vote would be a weak lynch, but the alternative was no lynch at all. Which seriously, was a mistake. You may also notice that I didn't cast a vote in the contribution crusade... Am I not allowed to acknowledge a possibility without actually putting my full weight behind it?

 

13 hours ago, Flash said:

Hah! Take THAT you killers! 

You may have killed me but I CAME BACK! 

In the other thread.

I'm also apparently not allowed to take the test again so no mediumship for me  I don't want to compete with Stink anyway. 

So I came out as a gunnkerigg (sorry about spelling. I can't ever spell it right). So now, kill the forest! GRR. 

So, secret alignments. Cool. If you're a psychopomp, don't kill me. Again. 

Also, whoever decided to kill me? Not cool. Not cool at all. 

Hi Flash. Welcome to the Court. We're sometimes boring, but we also have a dance which makes up for it.

Fair warning, you are currently the only member of the "safe lynch" group, if we are actually going to execute this strategy. No pun intended, with the "execute." Really though, we aren't going to lynch you for some time, if we ever do.

But. Psychopomp? Where did you get the idea that this is a role? It's a possibility, but you seem implicitly quite sure about it.

When you died, did you learn something about psychopomps? I'd be most interested to hear, if you are willing.

 

13 hours ago, Eternum said:

TBH I'm a United fan, but I like RMA over Barça. Idk why, really xD

United? But they have Mourinho now 

A solid team, but still 

 

10 hours ago, randuir said:

Yep, those are probably the Cryptids I've been talking about.

Also, regarding lynch, I think a gentleman's agreement that we won't try to lynch someone from the other thread might be put in effect (so wood doesn't vote on people from court, and vice-versa). Orlok seems to be suggesting something like that, and until I know more about what the mediums exactly want/need to achieve, I'd prefer not to burn too many inter-thread bridges. This does mean that only one thread will get a lynch in the end, but it also encourages people to do some good reasoning for their suspicions, so that they get enough support to overrule the other thread's lynch-attempt.

Edit: Though the lynch might be something the mediums have an opinion on? @STINK, @Doc12

I think this is a fair agreement, because it gives both sides some discussion. Although, fair warning, that means we are probably lynching a Court member, because the Court technically holds more votes (although the Anwyn can manipulate votes... Hmmm).

Also, I dunno if there's a singular "Cryptids." Could be multiple secret roles that are mostly unrelated.

 

1 hour ago, Crimsn-Wolf said:

Only have a bit of time to post right now, since I am working on getting caught up on schoolwork still, ugh.

Altea looked around at the students and creatures milling about in the meeting place. 'This is...disconcerting.' She thought to herself, staying in the outskirts of the crowd, watching how everyone interacted with each other instead of interacting, herself. She looks at the girl she had spoken with previously-Michelle. She seemed to be calling for the removal of another student--someone named Logan, if she remembered correctly. Another student called for the removal of the robot A.N.W.I.R., and she heard the sound of quiet agreements from her fellow students. The Gunnerkrigg were not the only ones calling for the removal of their peers--the Gillette had discord among their members, as well. 'This meeting seems chaotic, but might it prove useful, yet? The infiltrators from the Woods may try and contact their own in the night. Perhaps I shall keep an eye open tonight?' She mused to herself internally, continuing to watch the proceedings around her. She came to a decision and walks quietly over to someone, "Sir Young, I believe Locke Tekiel is on the right track. I have noticed suspicious behaviour from the robot called A.N.W.I.R. lately, and believe he may be an infiltrator from the Woods. After Medium Small Large began proclaiming his desire for Medium-ship, A.N.W.I.R. proclaimed a counter desire for the same honour. His reasoning behind this, was due to him finding it boring for only one student to be campaigning with no competition. The way he has gone about talking has left a hollow sense of danger chewing in the depths of my stomach, and I believe it would be wise to set in motion the deconstruction of the aforementioned robot, for fear of him being a Woods member in disguise. While I am all for peace between us, these infiltrators eradicated one of my fellow students through the cloak of night, and that is unacceptable." After she finished her proclamation, Altea went back to silently observe the proceedings once again.

[feel free to talk to Altea, I may just be slow to replying. I'd love a bit of rp. @BrightnessRadiant, sorry that I didn't respond last night. :c I didn't get on again until this morning, and didn't know until then that the night cycle's are only one day long.]

I have had a gut elim read on Drake Marshal since fairly early in the first cycle, and his posts have only made my suspicion grow for him. The way he went about his ploy to become Medium rubbed me the wrong way, and my suspicion only grew from there. Reading Orlok's post voicing his suspicions has only made me feel more sure of my own suspicions, and pm interactions has further increased my surety. I believe Drake is an Eliminator, and I would be very happy if we Courts-men could all come together and get him lynched today.

Marshall has two "L"s in it; this vote is obviously invalid 

 

1 hour ago, Clanky said:

I think I'm more in line with attempting to lynch a villager from the Forest than attempt to find a forester among us at least at this point of the game. There is a reason this game isn't two separate games so I'm not sure we should just treat this like two games that just happen to be in the same thread. 

Now with that said, I will admit that I haven't had time to read anything form the forest thread since the first couple hours of day 1. So I have no idea who is even all from the forest let alone who might be a good lynch target from there. My biggest suspect so far from the court Lopen at the moment. He is been pretty vocally anti-lynch all game so far even though he is 40% flash is evil. That seems like enough confidence for at least a vote

Well, I suppose it's unlikely that an eliminator would adopt this stance.

Still, I don't think we should try to lynch a forest village. I'd rather keep the Court's winning in the hands of the Court villagers. If we lynched a forest villager, we'd be doing our Gunnerkrigg eliminator allies a favor, but we'd also be hurting the Gunnerkrigg village.

 

Anyways, I have a whole 24 hours left to come up with a solid suspicion, so peace out.

[Shqueeves]

I've been for ~36 hours and just finished reading through all of this. I'll post my thoughts when I'm more awake (~10-12 hours) and have had time to organize my thoughts

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Well.

Neither of our gracious Mediums seem to be active.
Doc I know has irl things, and STINK idk.

So we're lynching a Court member ok. I just read through the Court.

Suspicious of @randuir Been a while since I've played with him, but he's definitely playing more subdued than usual. The only real randuiresque post was his first breaking down the game. Posts do lean village...but I am suspicious.

Suspicious of @BrightnessRadiant for clarifying that Ecth's vote on her was NAI...we know  I don't see why you had to say that. If Ecth turns out to be an Elim later on then welp xD

Speaking of @Ecthelion III, hasn't really been pushing discussion and hasn't been the most active this game. And I know he is around  (if not lurking here)

This honestly just makes me trust STINK more. I don't know how he seemed to be convinced that STINK is an elim. But getting very icky with ecth

And now me being suspicious, methinks he's an elim. By saying that it makes me think that he plans on switching sides to the Wood (We don't want you there btw) should things start getting icky for the Elims over in the Court. "Depending on how things are going".

Also the Contribution Crusade thing (I don't like Contribution Crusaders). A no-vote situation isn't dangerous at all, unless its late game and you need to make a strategic lynch. As @randuir said, all it really does is halt discussion, which I may add, you haven't been doing an awful lot to drive any discussion. 

Other than that its just been RP. But I do think Ecth would be the best choice to kill in this case, and if he ain't an elim, oh well, Brightness might shed some tears but I certainly won't  (Heil Coyote)

Mmm, reading on the whole Testing business, surprised STINK didn't start singing some Sam Smith.

I really don't like the Contribution Crusade.

Specially that Crusade bit. And pushing people early in the game as well. Make more sense to call people out later, activity fluctuates and one can see if a player has been lurking or not by then. Honestly if you guys don't want to lynch Ecth, just lynch anyone else who's a part of the Crusade. One of them is bound to be an elim haha.

The way @Crimsn-Wolfpushed the inactives to contribute is a much better way imo, and also sheds light on said lurking without threatening anyone into become active.

I feel like I'm being passive aggressive to Ecth a little...if you take offence to my wording of some stuff Ecth, its not personal and I don't know why my tone is like that.

Aye, I still don't want it around, but PMing people when you can and getting people to start talking and including them is much better.

I guess this is where I set forward a proposal of the Inclusion Inquisition  and not including people is heresy  

@A Budgie You say you don't know what to say, how about you PM me or some people at night (I'll make sure to PM you ). Ask questions, get involved. We're here to help.

And I changed my mind, I think Brightness is a villager.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

@Darkness Ascendant rp time!

 

“Ey! Centy!” CB bounded over to where she saw the old rascal cantering around. There was a strange scent in the air about him, an element which made her wrinkle her nose curiously. “Ew. you forest people always stink. Go drown yourself once in awhile.” CB grinned cheekily at her old friend. “Might do you some good. And might even make you a tad more likeable ya know!”

[Stick. she/her]

DA, the court is lynching a court member. The forest is lynching a forest member. Though it's up to you if you want to vote on a court member. Oh and you didn't respond to my question about why you were suspicious of me and doc?

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

DA, the court is lynching a court member. The forest is lynching a forest member. Though it's up to you if you want to vote on a court member. Oh and you didn't respond to my question about why you were suspicious of me and doc?

I did, go reread the forest thread  Nah I'm not sus of you two anymore. I just speculated a scheme between you two.

Oh and uh. Ok. I don't know who to lynch from Forest...but Court should lynch Ecth then XD 

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@Burnt Spaghetti

Centaurus grinned as he saw her, shifting forms to become more solid, “Ah! Caramel Burrito! Long time no seen. I’ll be drowning myself alright, drowning myself in alcohol, and I’m definitely more likeable when drunk”.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Sorry for the double post, but I just checked. @_Stick_ only one lynch this cycle, I thought that it was decided  that Court should be lynched to balance the players.

In which case Ecthelion

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

45 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

I did, go reread the forest thread  Nah I'm not sus of you two anymore. I just speculated a scheme between you two.

Oh and uh. Ok. I don't know who to lynch from Forest...but Court should lynch Ecth then XD 

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@Burnt Spaghetti

Centaurus grinned as he saw her, shifting forms to become more solid, “Ah! Caramel Burrito! Long time no seen. I’ll be drowning myself alright, drowning myself in alcohol, and I’m definitely more likeable when drunk”.

CB laughed,  “yer probably right there. Also more annoying though. Im a goodish girl these days so i won't join ya with the drowning though if that's alright wi’ you.” Drinking wasn't something she'd ever really done  if she were honest. Didn’t mean she didn't know where the stuff was found. Made her sorta useful to know. Cause she knew things like how to sneak around and locations and that stuff. Meant she could call in favours later by helping the wilder than she. Besides. You could get a lot of info outta losened tounges.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, Burnt Spaghetti said:

CB laughed,  “yer probably right there. Also more annoying though. Im a goodish girl these days so i won't join ya with the drowning though if that's alright wi’ you.” Drinking wasn't something she'd ever really done  if she were honest. Didn’t mean she didn't know where the stuff was found. Made her sorta useful to know. Cause she knew things like how to sneak around and locations and that stuff. Meant she could call in favours later by helping the wilder than she. Besides. You could get a lot of info outta losened tounges.

Centaurus looked at her appraisingly, “The right answer of course, we wouldn’t want you landed in more detentions now do we?”. He happily cantered behind her, humming softly an old Weeden (the plural of wood is weed, get with it) drinking song. (Not that we are weeds). “Lead on fair Crystal Borax, let us transverse these wineding roots and make sure we don’t die by ...Isis”. Oh dear, he really was bad at this.

[Eternum he/him]

*Squints*

I'd say something about Isis not existing at this point in time but I don't think it's a very good field of discussion.

Anyway.

What exactly are we doing? Who are we gonna lynch, and why? Also DA keep in mind, we don't actually want to lynch the Court's elims, they're Gillitie and if they win we do

 

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

1 minute ago, Eternum said:

*Squints*

I'd say something about Isis not existing at this point in time but I don't think it's a very good field of discussion.

Anyway.

What exactly are we doing? Who are we gonna lynch, and why? Also DA keep in mind, we don't actually want to lynch the Court's elims, they're Gillitie and if they win we do

 

*shrugs

Like I said, i care not about these squabbles.

[Megasif he/him]

3 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

*shrugs

Like I said, i care not about these squabbles.

Could it be, then, that DA is a Forest elim?

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, Megasif said:

Could it be, then, that DA is a Forest elim?

sure.

[Megasif he/him]

Just now, Darkness Ascendant said:

sure.

Good to know.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, Megasif said:

Good to know.

I'll be ISOing you later  

Are u court or wood idk?

Edited August 15, 2017 by Darkness Ascendant

[Eternum he/him]

Sif is wood.