Long Game 37: Coyote Stories

[Majestic he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

I can't be an elim, though  My win con's ensuring Doc survives. 

But what if the Medium changes? And then Doc takes the Test and becomes Elim in the Court? Boom. Stick is confirmed evil.

...That is possible, right?

[DeTess she/her]

Also, I've been thinking about it a bit more about this mysterious faction (let's call them Cryptids, as they are mysterious, and must have come from the forest, as such a thing would never come from the Court), and I believe there must be at least 2 of them, one for each thread. If there was only 1, then only the members of one thread would really be participating in trying to find this person out, and that's not as fun for the other group.

Anyway, would anyone hazard a guess to what the Cryptids need to do to win? Since the goal of the mediums seem to be to make peace, maybe their goal is to ensure no peace is made?

Edited August 14, 2017 by randuir

[Stick. she/her]

Just now, Majestic said:

But what if the Medium changes? And then Doc takes the Test and becomes Elim in the Court? Boom. Stick is confirmed evil.

...That is possible, right?

No hah. In that case, I'd go back to my original win con. I only protect doc as long as he's medium.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Oh, secret roles! My poor forest mind did not think there would be so many... or there is an illusion of many. 

If there is a wandering eye, it would probably be neutral, impossible to kill (or have several lives), and have a specific win condition relating to either another role or to a specific circumstance. Depending on what that role is, I would be led to believe it is in the court, because of a wide variety of interesting roles, the wandering eye isn't much of a threat.

this is all hypothetical, by the way.

[Majestic he/him]

11 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

No hah. In that case, I'd go back to my original win con. I only protect doc as long as he's medium.

Yup.

So you're just trying to protect Medium? Because, y'know, you're Protector of the Forest.

 

Edit: @Hemalurgic_Headshot Your post seems a tad suspicious... I don't know why though. Gut feeling perhaps?

Edited August 14, 2017 by Majestic

[Eternum he/him]

People seem to be wondering about the second kill in the forest.

No, it wasn't Stick. It was me.

I had a bad gut read on Straw, and their posts all seemed to be poking at other players, not offering much insight or being a part of the discussion.

If you're reading this Straw, sorry. I dun goofed

Anyway, this tells us Gillitie that HH is probably also a Gillitie, as the exchange between them D1 was probably either between village-village or elim-elim, or so I see it.

This also makes me a bit warier of Araris, who voted on Straw D1, though they voted on them for much the same reason I killed them for.. Idk, I'm not really sure Araris is elim yet. (Also, I just realized where your name is from, Araris. Dang, I need to reread Codex Alera.)

Flash getting killed also tells us that either one of his suspicions was elim, or that the elims don't really care about the order on which they kill people, because killing one of the more vocal players is a pretty good way of making discussion die. Thanks, guys. *Glare.*

Anyway, those are my two pennies. I bluffed about protecting myself btw, hoping one of the elims would redirect my action to one of their own without knowing it's an attack It was just wishful thinking though, and I did target Straw for a reason.

[Elbereth she/her]

Whee! Multiquotes! Note: It's currently 5:20 AM, I've been up for two hours, and I got less than 5 hours sleep. This may or may not be coherent. Also, I'll be far more active starting tomorrow, I should think, since that's when I get back from my trip.

On 8/12/2017 at 5:10 PM, randuir said:

I guess I'm fine with a no-lynch round. The most important thing to gain from the day 1 lynch is the discussion (usually at least), and I honestly don't see a repeat coming up of LG35 where 10 pages where generated in 6 hours (though if you guys want to do that, don't let my nay-saying stop you).

Also, not that it particularly matters at this point, but #VoteSTINK

 

I mean... sigh. Two minutes. >> I think that this post needs to be linked again, since it's been a while. 

Essentially, the important thing there is that in order for discussion to make any difference, there needs to be threat of a lynch. At that point, yes, there were only six hours left, but I would venture that the discussion that could be gained from those six hours is worth creating an actual threat of the lynch. 

Ah, right. Stink. 

On 8/12/2017 at 6:23 PM, Ecthelion III said:

I think we should Crusade, because it's dangerous to have a no-vote situation. Reasoning: in a game where alignments can change all the time, a last-minute single vote would be not only disastrous but also generally NAI for future rounds. Therefore, Shqueeves.

Orlok pointed out most of the issues with this, but I'd like to also note that I really do not like this reasoning. >> Yes, no-vote situations aren't helpful. Crusading on D1 is even less so, particularly for someone who's played two games before this one. 48 hours is plenty early enough for inactivity to be excusable, and also the CC is almost as bad as a no vote in terms of generating discussion. Actual suspicion is far better. To be honest, this reminds me of Len suggesting CC D1 in MR23, 

4 hours ago, Eternum said:

Well, when I asked Stink about it, they said Doc was the one that wanted to keep this all a secret for now..

I really have no theories atm..

Doc said they're keeping their wincons secret until they formulate a plan, so I suppose we could just wait. If they don't reveal their wincons, well, then one of them is probably elim, and the lynch is still a thing.

Why does not revealing their win cons equate to being evil? It's possible, but... I don't see the correlation. 

4 hours ago, A Budgie said:

Yeah...I haven't even played much, but I know that there's often a 'lovers' role, where there's two people and if one dies they both die etc. 
Thing is, this doesn't correspond exactly to the story, so it's possible the role does exist...but the Annan waters are already cursed, I seem to remember. Isn't that what the Anwyn role was? Slip someone cursed water?

I wouldn't say 'often'. I can think of... two examples? (LG12 and LG35, though if anyone can remember more I could be forgetting something.) It's certainly possible there's such a role in this game, but I don't think it's necessary. 

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Indeed, the ways of the forest are most peculiar.

On a serious note, though, where did you get the impression he doesn't trust me? He has no reason not to trust me.

I believe Stink was referring to the discrepancy between what you thought of his win con and what Doc thinks.  

2 hours ago, randuir said:

Yeah, based on the rules of a meeting, I determined that there must be some secret faction/role that both factions would want to put down. My reasoning is that during meetings there's only 1 group lynch for the two factions combined. This wouldn't make sense if there isn't some kind of target that both factions can agree on lynching. No all we have to do is to find this faction and lynch them. That shouldn't be all that hard...

I'm... not sure I agree. It's possible, certainly, that there will be people we all want to lynch. I don't see where that necessarily follows, though. Meetings are useful for a number of other reasons: contact with the other side's eliminators, and being able to point out things in the different threads. Taking actions on either side. It's a pure faction game at that point. I'm more of the opinion that those factors/the interest of having a single thread is enough to have a single thread and lynch, without needing any particular group that we need to lynch. 

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

I can't be an elim, though  My win con's ensuring Doc survives. 

Uh. How does that imply you can't be evil? If you were an elim, I believe (though I'd need to check with Aonar that it's the same as the Medium) that your win con doesn't actually change. You could still very well be the Protector while simultaneously being evil, and I'm not totally certain why you think otherwise. 

[Eternum he/him]

Well, you see El, an Elim elected Medium is not told the Medium's wincon, they keep their own. Which is to say, they still want to kill the villagers.

That's why the Medium's wincon is pretty much an alignment detector.

[Majestic he/him]

Do we even have a role that can detect win cons?

An Elim could easily lie about their win con too

[Elbereth she/her]

2 minutes ago, Eternum said:

Well, you see El, an Elim elected Medium is not told the Medium's wincon, they keep their own. Which is to say, they still want to kill the villagers.

That's why the Medium's wincon is pretty much an alignment detector.

I'm aware of that. I was addressing Stick, who is not a Medium, and whose alignment if she were village is publicly known. 

 

[Eternum he/him]

Oh, you quoted me and I responded. Didn't realize I wasn't the one being addressed sorry.

[Majestic he/him]

Why oh why do people have to really talk when I'm asleep??

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Why oh why do people have to really talk when I'm asleep??

Could always try never sleeping

[Majestic he/him]

Just now, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Could always try never sleeping

Tried that once. Never again.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

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PM obtained! I nominate BrightnessRadiant for Chancellor Medium.

@Ecthelion III, why did you nominate Brightness in the first post of the game? Had she expressed interest pre-game in the role?

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1. If I am correct about this, the whole game ends if a faction wins in either of the two threads.

2. Players who take the test have a 60% chance of remaining either village or eliminator. Assuming that a game starts out with under 40% eliminators, that means that people taking the test will on average result in slightly more eliminators on the other side then there were before.

 

So... Obviously this gets a little bit complicated...

But I reckon that means that, if the eliminators are losing in the forest side of things, some of us could attempt to balance things out by taking the test. We'd have a 40% chance of becoming eliminators on their side of things.

This obviously has potential to backfire though, because it would be hard to fault them for not lynching somebody who has a 40% chance of being an eliminator (assuming that they were a villager to begin with, anyway). 40% is better odds than most lynches get, early in the game at least.

 

@Drake Marshall, I think there's another aspect not being considered here. In a normal game, eliminator distribution is somewhere between 20-25%. Someone moving across is 15-20% more likely to be an eliminator. However, they’re also not tied to the existing eliminator team in any way, and so give us no information for future lynches, essentially costing a cycle of discussion and a player to the night kill. I'd argue that a more useful strategy might be to leave them alive, as “safe lynches”. We can lynch them either after we’re confident that the original eliminator team are dead (due to having 3-4 dead Gillitie originally in the Gunnerkrigg thread), when we’re confident that we’ve gained enough information that we can afford a cycle of little discussion, giving us time to analyse, or after they've had a few cycles to interact, and so become a useful lynch information-wise. I’d argue that there's also an element of fun involved, here. The Test, and dual threads is a fascinating mechanic, and I don't want to support a strategy that massively dissuades the use of a major part of the game’s mechanics.

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Okay, let's get this party started. I'm not going to do as large a breakdown of the roles as I usually do in the beginning, as I haven't had the usual couple of days to think about the various roles and stuff. I've got some quick observations about synergy though:

Making Everything Boring: this one synergy with the Zeta and the Teleporter. If you know who the Zeta is, it might be a good idea to use your power to prevent his power from manifesting itself (though I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't find it interesting to see this nightmare world). You can work with the Teleporter to redirect actions to more specific targets. All in all, I recommend you try to find who have these roles (but don't ask in the thread, as I don't think either of these should role-claim).
Etheric Scientist: You will probably want to get into contact with the alignment scanner.
Now regarding the medium role, might it be a good idea to think about what we'd like our medium to accomplish in the other thread before picking someone? I have no doubt that STINK could create some interesting chaos in the wood thread, but if we want to accomplish something specific, another player might be a better choice. I do realize the medium defaults to neutral so that we shouldn't expect him/her to just dance to the village's tune, but the choice of player will likely have some impact anyway. As I said, I expect STINK to cause some chaos, while Brightness might encourage more of a dialogue (maybe).

 

@randuir, a couple of points here. I’d be interested in your view on the Zeta’s alignment. I’d have thought that they must have a neutral (or potentially eliminator alignment). Given their ability to change alignments, they represent a far greater threat to the village than the eliminators, being much more likely to significantly reduce the number of villagers in the game, making it far easier for the eliminators to gain a majority. As such, I don’t imagine that they will claim to the “Making Everything Boring” role. 
On our choice of Medium, I’d point to QF25 as a recent example of Stink’s ability to play very effectively. He often does cause chaos, but clearly wants to be the medium, nod I don’t think he’d run the risk of removal through acting in a chaotic manner.

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Can you know that anyone else that wants medium wanted it before the game started and before they even looked at their alignment?

 

This, I think, is the strongest reason we have for keeping @STINK as our medium. We can be pretty certain that he has no ulterior motive, and will act as neutral. If we replace Stink as our medium, we run the risk of the vote being influenced by the eliminators, and so will have a greater likelihood of a medium far less friendly to the village. On which note, Stink, to help keep Stink as our medium.

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Ehh, why not. This is going to be fun. And less boring with only one candidate.

I'm putting myself forward as a candidate for medium-ship. Drake.

The most interesting part of this game is easily the dual-thread configuration, and if I have anything to say about it I want to be in the thick of it.

 

@Drake Marshall, it’s apparent from this post that unlike Stink, you hadn’t been planning on a run at medium before the game started. I’m slightly suspicious of players attempting to benefit from a counter-bandwagon to Stink - it would be. Very sensible place for an eliminator to sit. What do you think would make you a better medium than Stink?

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First of all, I'd be rather interested to see you find a quite where I personally questioned your honor. I don't recall doing any such thing. This brings back memories of the whole "drake was anti-neutral" thing, and I'm still a little perplexed about how that one started.

Mea maxima culpa, @Drake Marshall. I looked through MR23, and couldn't find you having done this personally. I suspect I linked you to it following Alv’s public frustration with my actions, when you, as a member of his doc, had been doing the very same thing, to a yet greater degree. Regardless, I am sorry for accusing you of this statement, and so make a public apology.

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I don't mind if Stink is the medium I guess. I don't feel the need to vote for him though. I haven't completely grasped the rules yet, so I can't add much. We need to kill all of our eliminators before the other thread does, or before the other threads eliminators win.

One thing I'm looking at right now is meetings. When a Medium calls a meeting, will the villagers in the other thread be eliminators to us? Which means we'd want to lynch their most confirmed player? Or would we even want to lynch one of them? I think we'd still want to try and lynch one of our players to try to get an eliminator(on our side), since the game can't end during a meeting, which means killing someone from the other thread doesn't really help us. I think. >>

 

@TheMightyLopen, in case you’re still under the impression set out in the first paragraph, I think we win if the Forest’s eliminators win, so don’t need to catch the Gillitie infiltrators in the Court before that happens (although relying on that is clearly not a sound option ).
On meetings, I think it varies by stage in the game. This early, we’re hardly going to end the game in the Woods’ eliminators’ favour. Equally, lynching their most confirmed villager (not that I think someone of that nature exists at this stage (although I do have yet to analyse the Woods thread)), both sets a precedent that such a thing is good form, meaning we’re at risk of the same happening if our numbers fall beyond those in their thread, and dramatically reduces the information we have available for the D3 lynch in the Court thread. Given we didn’t have a D1 lynch, I’d be minded to support a lynch of a Court player, so that we can build momentum and connections, and so catch our own eliminators. 

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Hmmm. Maybe you're just faking interest in the Test to try and make us think you're village by hinting that you have a 60% chance of winning by taking the Test and helping the elims in this thread to win? >>

 

I’d call attention to @TheMightyLopen's post, addressing @Drake Marshall’s interest in the test. Whilst I think this is tenuous, it’s worth including given Drake’s earlier attempt to become the counter-bandwagon to Stink. At this stage of my analysis, I think Drake represents my largest suspicion right now.
 

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Alright y'all.

Change of plan, we're not all switching to the other thread.

I've got something much better in mind, but first I need both the MED CRED and also PMs.

 

@STINK, care to explain this?

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That is assuming there isn't anything we aren't taking into account, I think.

Perhaps it would be a boring choice, perhaps it wouldn't. Either way, it's worth considering the limits of the game. The extreme case scenarios, as it were.

And this one is particularly of interest to the overall balance and workings of the game.

What do you think? Do you believe that such a strategy would technically succeed, or is there another factor?

 

@Drake Marshall, what makes you think that everyone switching wouldn’t be a boring choice? Why the continued insistence on this strategy? It strikes me as a way to ensure a reduced number of villagers in the Court thread, more than anything else, which clearly is of benefit to the eliminators.  

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If the forest is beating us, we are more likely to want to join them and take the test.

And when we take the test, the overall effect is to give the forest an advantage, because 60% of the time they gain +1 villager on their side and -1 villager on the other side.

So if a lot of us take the test, the forest starts to win, and if the forest starts to win, even more of us will have reasons to take the test.

 

@Drake Marshall, this assumes that we would all prefer to win in a boring manner than play an interesting game. I’d rather have fun, and a challenging game trying to catch up, even if I lose, than guarantee myself a win by jumping thread. Why do you play SE? Is it to be able to say “I’ve won x% of games”, or to enjoy yourself, and try to improve as a player?

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Sorry for not posting. Have a very big deadline at work next week and I've been working 12+ hour days ti keep up.  Now over the weekend I've got spotty Internet but I'll do what I can.

Personally I don't see any reason to take the test right now. Unless you don't like your role or just wanna create some chaos. That second one is actually a pretty good reason now that I think about it though…

 

@Clanky, firstly I hope your workload becomes more manageable. Would you explain why chaos is a good thing, or something we should be aiming towards? If you’d enjoy it, and are advocating it for that reason alone, go ahead, but given I think it harms our village, I’d be interested in exploring your reasoning here.

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Also Ecthelion voting Me is NAI cuz....well it's us XD haha (again...this joke increases if you're in the SE discord server heh)

Right. Ecthelion’s first post makes much more sense, now. Thanks, @BrightnessRadiant 

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Players are only allowed to take the test once in the game, right?

If so it makes sense to wait a little bit, in the very least.

 

@Drake Marshall, this appears rather incongruous with your earlier posts. Why the change of change of heart? Alternatively, why are you advocating people taking the test, whilst not planning on doing so yourself? That strikes me as somewhat suspicious.

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Anyways, it's kind of late, and there's a lot of absent players, so I'm not sure if I really want to have a lynch. I don't really have anyone I suspect at this point either…

@TheMightyLopen, I'm somewhat surprised by this sentiment. You know full well the value of lynch discussion, and LG35 stands as testimony to the amount of lynch discussion that can be generated in even the last fraction of a cycle.

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I'm not really feeling a lynch either. We could always contribution crusade though.

@Drake Marshall, I hadn’t noticed this from you last cycle, but what exactly do you hope to gain from a contribution crusade lynch? It was halfway through D1, and wouldn’t generate any information at all. In conjunction with the other posts I’ve highlighted above, I can’t help but think this might be an attempt to ensure a villager dies D1, without generating discussion.

 

Overall, I believe a lynch of a Court member will be of far greater use to us than attempting to lynch a Woods villager, as I think we're at risk of a lack of information going into D3, which will eave us in a similar position to a normal D1 lynch, which clearly isn't a great position to be in.

I think that Drake is my largest suspect, for the reasons set out in the multiquote above. I think he's acted inconsistently, pushed a course of action that benefits the eliminators, whilst then maintaining that he wouldn't take the test himself, he's advocated a contribution crusade lynch, which I think ensures a likely village death without creating information, and tried to get himself at the spearhead of a counter-bandwagon for the position of medium. I'm now typing in a rush, as my flight will take off shortly, but suggests that everyone reads the multiquote for greater context.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

I'm terribly sorry for being inactive guys, been dealing with some stuff, mainly motivation stuff.
I'll do my best to get active again.

Also, we won our grand finals on Saturday! We're the champions! 

Anywwaaay, I will pay attention from this cycle onwards. 

The lynch of PK was a shame. I am suspicious of Stick and Doc tbh, I think there may be a scheme, they are capable of it. Stick is definitely someone to keep an eye on, and Doc can go both ways.

[Doc12]

5 hours ago, STINK said:

Welcome Flash to the best place in the whole world!

Anyway, pretend I'm writing a really long post with lots of words that can be summed up in about 4 sentences.

Okay so now you've read it and you're like 'wow stink I didn't know you could write so much'

But there's a surprise, as you see that I even summed up my really long post for you, and you proceed to read it. It says

"1. Please keep voting me for Medium every cycle so like 3 people can't elect someone else last minute.

2. Mysterious Doc strikes again

3. Seriously though Doc get some consistency jeez

4. I'm glad to see that Stick knows what's up with the medium o wait Doc doesn't trust his protector this does look kinda funny but maybe that's the forest ways

5. Gonna throw out that Jones or the Wandering Whatever could be a secret role."

Then you're like 'wow that was a great TLDR stink, well worth an upvote'

And I say 'tyvm'

 

*Sigh* 

I'm going to break character a little for this. 

My apologies Stink for trying to sound professional. 'Mysterious Doc' is perhaps a mixture of the formal tone that I've elected to use as Koru's main speech and the vagueness of my posts. Stink, what do you want? Are you still aiming for the win condition of Medium? Because I am, and I'm committed to that. Part of the reason I've been so vague is simply because I have been unable to discuss a plan with you, and thus I do not have anything set in stone. Mysterious Doc is because Doc does not know what Stink is doing, but thinking that we were partners in this. j

Get some consistency? I'm sorry, what have I been doing? I do not think I have deviated from what I have been saying? I have however been finding out new things, and forming plans, thus being able to reveal more to people. Is that what you mean by being inconsistent? Would you want to have a discussion on what we as mediums should reveal and not? Because right now us being at cross purposes is of no use. 

Lastly, about Stick. I do trust her. She's the only one I can truly rely on to try to keep me alive in this game, and I trust her. We conflicted slightly in this cycle, and that's on me for not clearly communicating what I was aiming for with her last cycle. That's on me, and it's not because I do not trust her. So please, my friend. Should I apologize for taking my role seriously? I understand that you took the medium role to have some fun, and I don't fault you for that, but please try not to make sweeping generalizations of your 'partner' without asking them why. All you have done is revealed that we aren't working together as well as we'd like. 

Would you want to actually discuss things over with me in tonight's PM? Please?

Thank you. 

[Eternum he/him]

Nice, DA! It's good to know someone else here likes football (I refuse to call it soccer ) On a similar note, did you watch RM-Barcelona yesterday?

Anyway, is there just one lynch this day? Hm. That makes sense, I suppose.

I think I will revote for Doc for Medium because there really are no other candidates atm, I don't feel like trying for Mayo-- imean Medium, and Doc hasn't done anything suspicious yet, unless one counts keeping their wincon a secret.

DA, why are you suspicious of Stick and Doc? Like, what are your reasons?

[Steeldancer he/him]

Hah! Take THAT you killers! 

You may have killed me but I CAME BACK! 

In the other thread.

I'm also apparently not allowed to take the test again so no mediumship for me  I don't want to compete with Stink anyway. 

So I came out as a gunnkerigg (sorry about spelling. I can't ever spell it right). So now, kill the forest! GRR. 

So, secret alignments. Cool. If you're a psychopomp, don't kill me. Again. 

Also, whoever decided to kill me? Not cool. Not cool at all. 

[Majestic he/him]

5 minutes ago, Eternum said:

Nice, DA! It's good to know someone else here likes football (I refuse to call it soccer ) On a similar note, did you watch RM-Barcelona yesterday?

Another football fan over here! And that soccer bit I can completely relate to  I read on FB that Ronaldo scored a banger and then got sent off not too long after and shoved the Ref. I prefer Messi and Neymar tbh.

 

Anyway, with that out the way, let me asses our current situation.

Eternum seems OK.

I'm getting town vibes from Doc atm, although that's subject to change.

Flash seems wayyyy too enthusiastic, but that may be normal behaviour from him.

Stick is alright right now.

I'm rather suspicious of DA, but that may just be because Stick and Doc to me seem fine.

 

I haven't got another info on anybody else right now.

[Steeldancer he/him]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Another football fan over here! And that soccer bit I can completely relate to  I read on FB that Ronaldo scored a banger and then got sent off not too long after and shoved the Ref. I prefer Messi and Neymar tbh.

 

Anyway, with that out the way, let me asses our current situation.

Eternum seems OK.

I'm getting town vibes from Doc atm, although that's subject to change.

Flash seems wayyyy too enthusiastic, but that may be normal behaviour from him.

Stick is alright right now.

I'm rather suspicious of DA, but that may just be because Stick and Doc to me seem fine.

 

I haven't got another info on anybody else right now.

It is entirely normal behavior from me. Take a look at any game of mine.

[Majestic he/him]

Just now, Flash said:

It is entirely normal behavior from me. Take a look at any game of mine.

Hmm, ok.

I believe you.

Spoiler

For now

 

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

1 minute ago, Eternum said:

Nice, DA! It's good to know someone else here likes football (I refuse to call it soccer ) On a similar note, did you watch RM-Barcelona yesterday?

Anyway, is there just one lynch this day? Hm. That makes sense, I suppose.

I think I will revote for Doc for Medium because there really are no other candidates atm, I don't feel like trying for Mayo-- imean Medium, and Doc hasn't done anything suspicious yet, unless one counts keeping their wincon a secret.

DA, why are you suspicious of Stick and Doc? Like, what are your reasons?

YES I DID. I am quite dissapointed with how Ronaldo behaved  

I don't know if you need to vote anyone as a Medium right now.

Well, I'm just suspecting a scheme. Stick says that PK is a vill without very much reason, whereas Doc pushes for him to be lynched, sure in defence, but you have to admit he did jump on it. And Doc didn't even give Stick all too much mind last cycle, and now she's been selected as the Protector *shrugs

and hey, who said she can't be a robot stick sent in to spy on us all?!

[Eternum he/him]

TBH I'm a United fan, but I like RMA over Barça. Idk why, really xD

Yeah, he was really rude. I think it's mostly pent up frustration for being put out so late in the Cup game vs United. Idk.

This is pretty much Flash when he's having way too much fun, I gather.

This is like, DA's first post so I think that there's not much to be suspicious of, either.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Eternum

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Count me to keep an eye on you too now @Majestic