Long Game 37: Coyote Stories

[Stick. she/her]

40 minutes ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

I'm a little confused how this lynch is supposed to work. B/c by my understanding, the forest wants to lynch a human and the humans want to lynch a forest (so to speak). Now, let's say we identify an elim, if the court thinks that we have successfully identified an elim, they would vote on someone else in order to prevent their ally from getting lynched. If they think the elim is a regular resident, they would be fine with it. Unfortunately, the court has more people, what stops them from just lynching the one of us that is least likely to be an elim? Unless as Randuir points out, we have a reason to work together. Any vote to try and find an elim within our ranks would likely be fractured, and unlikely to get the requisite votes necessary in order to avoid a counter-lynch by our compatriots across the...divide? (haven't read the work this is based on).

Thoughts people? Am I missing something?

So uhhhh, whats the plan?

Yeah. The court peeps will get their way if we all try to lynch elims from our own threads, as they're larger in quantity. I think there's a neutral role with an objective against the mediums because I've been wondering all game why the mediums need guardians in the first place. It's probably because a role such as this exists?

[Megasif he/him]

Hmm. So I was expecting a lot more activity in the meeting since we have all the players in one place now.

And ouch, three foresters dead.

Not much from the mediums. Still on the role hunt, I guess. But PMs in the night only so maybe not. 

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

I'm a little confused how this lynch is supposed to work. B/c by my understanding, the forest wants to lynch a human and the humans want to lynch a forest (so to speak). Now, let's say we identify an elim, if the court thinks that we have successfully identified an elim, they would vote on someone else in order to prevent their ally from getting lynched. If they think the elim is a regular resident, they would be fine with it. Unfortunately, the court has more people, what stops them from just lynching the one of us that is least likely to be an elim? Unless as Randuir points out, we have a reason to work together. Any vote to try and find an elim within our ranks would likely be fractured, and unlikely to get the requisite votes necessary in order to avoid a counter-lynch by our compatriots across the...divide? (haven't read the work this is based on).

Thoughts people? Am I missing something?

So uhhhh, whats the plan?

Yh so we have the elims of both sides now. It's actually really fun when you think about it. Each side will want to lynch the other side's strongest village read. I think maybe that's why Orlok? Mentioned it in a previous post. It's going to get hectic with votes. Almost like 4 factions. Each is allied with another but we don't know who they are and want to avoid lynching them.

Another option is that there is no lynch today but seems like it will be waste of a meeting.

What else can we try to achieve here? There has to be a purpose for the meeting.

What if the mediums are the ultimate baddies? I'm not too familiar with neutral roles in SE (since I'm new) but the elims won't really have a reason to lynch them since the mediums are neutral. So why a protector?

And what if the secret roles they are looking for are their hidden teammates that only the mediums are aware of (about being the medium's teammates) and the players do not know yet and the mediums have to get in touch and let them know. Or they could be trying to find the secret role/alignment and get rid of them (their wincon). And the two mediums could be in a race with the other?

 

@STINK Sorry if I have missed it but any reasons why you called the meeting? We know Doc was thinking about it as well. (Though, It's definitely more interesting like this)

I won't be around too much but will post when I can.

Edit:ninja'd by stick...including post content 

Edited August 14, 2017 by Megasif

[DeTess she/her]

10 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Yeah. The court peeps will get their way if we all try to lynch elims from our own threads, as they're larger in quantity. I think there's a neutral role with an objective against the mediums because I've been wondering all game why the mediums need guardians in the first place. It's probably because a role such as this exists?

Yep, those are probably the Cryptids I've been talking about.

Also, regarding lynch, I think a gentleman's agreement that we won't try to lynch someone from the other thread might be put in effect (so wood doesn't vote on people from court, and vice-versa). Orlok seems to be suggesting something like that, and until I know more about what the mediums exactly want/need to achieve, I'd prefer not to burn too many inter-thread bridges. This does mean that only one thread will get a lynch in the end, but it also encourages people to do some good reasoning for their suspicions, so that they get enough support to overrule the other thread's lynch-attempt.

Edit: Though the lynch might be something the mediums have an opinion on? @STINK, @Doc12

Edited August 14, 2017 by randuir

[STINK he/him]

I called a meeting for various reasons, ya know?

1. I can post in both threads, so why not make it basically the same for you guys for a while?

2. Everyone just did all their big PMs in their respective threads, so it's the perfect time to mingle!

3. I was bored.

4. Why not?

As for.my thoughts on the lynch, I don't really have any. Just vote on people you don't like, the usual.

 

[Majestic he/him]

Ok then.

Dalinar Kholin.

 

Because one sandwich isn't enough.

 

[Dalinar Kholin]

 Majestic. I opened my knapsack for you! And this is how you repay me??

[Eternum he/him]

You know what?

I vote to pass a movement that confines people to trying to lynch others from their own thread during Meetings (So, Court thread people try to lynch Court thread people, and Woods people try to lynch Woods people) until the Mediums reveal their wincons.

All in favor say "aye."

Of course, if we find someone that both sides are in favor of killing (For example, the Cryptids Randuir is theorizing about.) then we can just lynch them together.

[Dalinar Kholin]

err, there's still the problem that whichever lynch has more votes will be the one that goes through, so splitting it in theory won't split it in practice.

[Jondesu he/him]

5 minutes ago, Eternum said:

You know what?

I vote to pass a movement that confines people to trying to lynch others from their own thread during Meetings (So, Court thread people try to lynch Court thread people, and Woods people try to lynch Woods people) until the Mediums reveal their wincons.

All in favor say "aye."

Of course, if we find someone that both sides are in favor of killing (For example, the Cryptids Randuir is theorizing about.) then we can just lynch them together.

Nah, that's no fun.  Besides, that gets into Mayoring, which just isn't good for anyone.

I'll toss a vote against you, Eternum.

Also, I'll put myself forward as a candidate for Medium for the Forest, just because it'll be interesting to see someone else challenging for the role.  I'll totally do a good job, I promise. Kintas for Medium!

[Eternum he/him]

I realize that.

Honestly, it is better like this. Eventually it will be even, if we play our cards right.

[Eternum he/him]

Kintas because you're mean ;-;

But no really, why vote for me?

[Majestic he/him]

3 hours ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

 Majestic. I opened my knapsack for you! And this is how you repay me??

Fiiiiiiiiiine. Dalinar Kholin. (I'm on Mobile so please imagine it's green)

But remember to pack cucumber for those sandwiches next time!

Edit: Changed colour for vote.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Majestic

[Dalinar Kholin]

Cucumbers! *bah* pickles are superior in every way to cucumbers Majestic. But I'm watching you ><.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, Dalinar Kholin said:

Cucumbers! *bah* pickles are superior in every way to cucumbers Majestic. But I'm watching you ><.

What about Zucchinis 

[Eternum he/him]

>Zucchinis

DISGUSTING

[Dalinar Kholin]

Just now, Eternum said:

>Zucchinis

DISGUSTING

Someone who understands!

 

1 minute ago, Flash said:

What about Zucchinis 

I tell stories about what I do to people who eat zucchinis. But not here. I don't think that the court would appreciate...the more graphic details.

[Eternum he/him]

We are of the forest! We do not give a *bleep* about propriety! (The 17th Shard does though..)

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

I have a question...when you said we could pm the peeps from the Forest during a meeting did that mean we still need to wait till a night cycle rolls around or does this meeting only last during the day cycle? @Aonar Faileas @A Joe in the Bush

Edited August 14, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Aonar he/him]

Just now, BrightnessRadiant said:

I have a question...when you said we could pm the peeps from the Forest during a meeting did that mean we still need to wait till a night cycle rolls around or does this meeting only last during the day cycle? @Aonar Faileas @A Joe in the Bush

Wait till night. Meetings last a whole cycle, not just the Day turn.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

2 minutes ago, Aonar Faileas said:

Wait till night. Meetings last a whole cycle, not just the Day turn.

Kk that's what I figured, but wanted to check. Thanks!

[Majestic he/him]

What about Sea Cucumbers?

 

Wait...

[Elbereth she/her]

 

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

I thought the current mediums stayed as mediums until enough of us voted against them?

You're right, yeah, techincally I can be evil. Though in a hypothetical situation in which my original alignment is gunnerkrigg, I'm not sure if I'd remain evil during the time doc is medium, but I'd resume my original win con if/when the muddies changes. But yeah, should probably ask the GMs.

They do, yes - the reason they're being voted on again is because if we don't, it's entirely possible to change the medium at :59 before the cycle ends, by adding one vote to a new one (since you don't have to unvote an old one, just put in a new one). We'd really rather avoid that, so... voting again.  

I'm certain that you remain evil. Mediums do, so why not protector/dragonslayers? I'm just not certain whether the protect-the-medium win con actually gets added or not. @Aonar Faileas, do protector/dragonslayer eliminators get the win con of protecting the Medium?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

4 hours ago, randuir said:

Honestly, I'm of two minds about the Zeta, I disagree that it is a greater threat to the village than to the elims though, at least as I understand it. Villagers and elims have equal chances of dying to his powers, and the conversion that it does is explicitly stated to be of the blue and orange variety. On the other hand, it can cause significant (potentially bad, potentially good) shake-ups, especially if it ends up triggering often. As for their alignment, you do make a good point regarding that, as the Zeta could be cryptid, or something else unrelated. Overall, I would not be in favor of lynching a confirmed Zeta if he's not of a problematic alignment.

Yeah, that's something I've been considering as well. Putting what seems like a confirmed forest down (and we do have one of those by role-claim, though he has 2 lives) might seem like a good idea, but it's definitely not going to help with information sharing in future meetings, and will invite similar retribution. It's a question of whether it's worth it.

I'll talk a bit about my suspicions later, once I'm home again.

@randuir, having thought on it further, there is the potential for it to remove an eliminator's incentive not to reveal their team, which could clearly prove disastrous for the eliminators, to the point that I'd discourage it vehemently in the spirit of fun. I'm here to solve the game, and have fun doing so, not to have it revealed. That aside, if it removes villagers and elimaintors in the original proportions of the game, it will have no net effect other than reducing the time available to the village to solve the game, which I think is of significant detriment to the village. 

On the second point, it both turns meetings into a confrontation, which I don't think is helpful to either faction, and in this case significantly reduces our information for the D3 lynch in the court, which is the salient point. At the moment, I don't have material suspicions of anyone other than Drake, and I haven't seen many suspicions advanced by other court players so far.

4 hours ago, Eternum said:

Well, the writeup shows that elims killed you, Flash. So yeah.

Also, Stick, "attaching"? Attaching to what?

Also I just realized that the Gunnerkrigg villagers will want to kill me. Ohh, crap. Well, uh, plz don't?

Gillitie, quick, find a target worth lynching!

(Yes, I just realized how dangerous meetings can be for me. I didn't think this through when I roleclaimed...)

@Eternum, I would be lying if I said that I thought your claiming was a remotely good idea for you. That said, I don't think it would be beneficial for us to spend this turn lynching you, when our eliminators in your thread can do a very good job pinning you down or killing you themselves. My view is that without a productive lynch this cycle, the court will be neutered until potentially N4, which is far too late to be useful.

3 hours ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

I'm a little confused how this lynch is supposed to work. B/c by my understanding, the forest wants to lynch a human and the humans want to lynch a forest (so to speak). Now, let's say we identify an elim, if the court thinks that we have successfully identified an elim, they would vote on someone else in order to prevent their ally from getting lynched. If they think the elim is a regular resident, they would be fine with it. Unfortunately, the court has more people, what stops them from just lynching the one of us that is least likely to be an elim? Unless as Randuir points out, we have a reason to work together. Any vote to try and find an elim within our ranks would likely be fractured, and unlikely to get the requisite votes necessary in order to avoid a counter-lynch by our compatriots across the...divide? (haven't read the work this is based on).

Thoughts people? Am I missing something?

So uhhhh, whats the plan?

@Dalinar Kholin, if you wouldn't mind, I'd be much obliged if you'd let us get on with a lynch of a suspicious member of the court without intervening? The odds of us finding a cryptid (sp?) at this stage, if they exist, is unbelievably low, when neither thread has yet found even an eliminator. I think it in both our interests to have productive lynch discussions, which we can carry out if both sides have the potential to lynch. We can do this entirely independently of each other, so long as neither side targets a member from the other thread.

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

Hmm. So I was expecting a lot more activity in the meeting since we have all the players in one place now.

And ouch, three foresters dead.

Not much from the mediums. Still on the role hunt, I guess. But PMs in the night only so maybe not. 

Yh so we have the elims of both sides now. It's actually really fun when you think about it. Each side will want to lynch the other side's strongest village read. I think maybe that's why Orlok? Mentioned it in a previous post. It's going to get hectic with votes. Almost like 4 factions. Each is allied with another but we don't know who they are and want to avoid lynching them.

Another option is that there is no lynch today but seems like it will be waste of a meeting.

What else can we try to achieve here? There has to be a purpose for the meeting.

What if the mediums are the ultimate baddies? I'm not too familiar with neutral roles in SE (since I'm new) but the elims won't really have a reason to lynch them since the mediums are neutral. So why a protector?

And what if the secret roles they are looking for are their hidden teammates that only the mediums are aware of (about being the medium's teammates) and the players do not know yet and the mediums have to get in touch and let them know. Or they could be trying to find the secret role/alignment and get rid of them (their wincon). And the two mediums could be in a race with the other?

@Megasif, I have no idea what you're asking me. My views on this have been clear since the beginning of the cycle. COuld you rephrase your question?

Your thoughts about the mediums seems to be nothing more than speculation, unless you have information on this that you'd care to share? I certainly think that it would be a terrible idea to lynch a medium on this basis.

[Aonar he/him]

Just now, Elbereth said:

 

They do, yes - the reason they're being voted on again is because if we don't, it's entirely possible to change the medium at :59 before the cycle ends, by adding one vote to a new one (since you don't have to unvote an old one, just put in a new one). We'd really rather avoid that, so... voting again.  

I'm certain that you remain evil. Mediums do, so why not protector/dragonslayers? I'm just not certain whether the protect-the-medium win con actually gets added or not. @Aonar Faileas, do protector/dragonslayer eliminators get the win con of protecting the Medium?

Note: Removing a Medium requires a majority vote. The minimum number of votes the new Medium would need is 9 in the Court, or 8 in the Forest.

Eliminator wincons take precedence over Medium and Guardian wincons.

[Stick. she/her]

Oh okay. Good to know