Arraenae Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, STINK said: randuir r u evil. Lmao what is this Maybe he's the parole officer?
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Arraenae said: Maybe he's the parole officer? Most likely. But it could be that Straw is, or neither.
STINK he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 tfw you don't know whats going on because you stopped PMing stink
Jondesu he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 @A Joe in the Bush, you still haven't responded to the claim Straw is making (you haven't posted in the thread since then, in fact). I personally would like to hear from you before I decide what to do, but I do have to agree with Rand that if you're offering to work with the Elims (and genuinely mean it, instead of some type of ploy), you'd be worth lynching even though you're not an Elim yourself. Neutrals planning to work against the village are just as much a threat to us as the Elims themselves, potentially.
Arinian Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Arraenae said: Joe actually said the same thing to me. It seems like a smart move on Joe's part, if he's really the Convict. If the village knows he's the Convict, then he won't get lynched. If the elims know he's the Convict, there's a chance that they might threaten to lynch him unless he does things for them, but maybe not. If he reveals to the Parole Officer, the PO already knows. It's like what Orlok did, where revealing doesn't hurt him much, or at all. In fact, I asked Joe about why he was telling me this and he said that he wanted Chaos, with a capital C. 45 minutes ago, Arraenae said: He claimed to want my help to get the Parole Officer to reveal themselves. I think Joe is the real Convict, because I asked him who his Ward is, and it's easy enough to shoot over a PM to confirm. Amm... so what he wanted? Chaos or help. Chaotic Help? I'm sure in one thing that he get from that... me confused. 1 hour ago, randuir said: Oh, well, in that case it's easy. Joe. I've got nothing against Neutrals, but I do have something against Neutrals that decide they want to work with the elims. Given that the C1 lynch isn't particularly likely to hit an elim (all discussion seems to be focused around STINK and Straw, and I don't have much reason to believe any of these two is an elim), we might as well take out a 'Neutral' that has decided he wants to aid the elims. In previous games with you I haven't observed so bloodthirst. So that vote leads me to guess that you can be Parole Officer. 48 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: So we're left with a few possibilities; I can think of the following: 1. Joe didn't think of the implications of such a statement in a role that has someone trying to get him lynched. 2. Joe is village, has no role, and was fishing for elim info in hopes that at least one elim would fall for it. 3. Joe is elim, and figured that sort of claim would help protect him from suspicion, while also hinting to the real Convict that he would like an alliance. 4. Joe is the Convict, knew full well this would get him lynched, and has a deal with the Parole Officer to cooperate in getting himself lynched in exchange for protection for the Ward. If Joe said truth to Rae then looks like first guess is right. I honestly thought that Joe tried to fish elims... 3 and 4 looks too complicate, really something that no one would try... even Joe. Honestly I want to hear what Joe will say. I see there possibility that Joe never PMed Straw and Straw is PO that tried to trick us in lynching Joe. Maybe Rae is convict's ward that tries to protect convict... I'm overthinking? I think I'm overthinking... Why would Joe PM only Rae and Straw? Do someone else have PMs like that from Joe? Joe!!! Where are you?
Arraenae Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Actually, I PMed Joe. He specifically said that if I was an elim, he would build goodwill, if I was a neutral, it didn't matter, and if I was a villager, it would let Chaos happen on a large scale.
Straw he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 So, Joe would definitely help Eliminators. Anyway, any neutral actively trying to spread chaos is bad for the village.
Arinian Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Arraenae said: Actually, I PMed Joe. He specifically said that if I was an elim, he would build goodwill, if I was a neutral, it didn't matter, and if I was a villager, it would let Chaos happen on a large scale. You know, honestly looks like not good idea. 2 minutes ago, Straw said: So, Joe would definitely help Eliminators. Anyway, any neutral actively trying to spread chaos is bad for the village. You really looks like Parole Officer
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, STINK said: tfw you don't know whats going on because you stopped PMing stink If your PMs with me were any indication, they were meant more as entertainment for you than anything of use to the village.
STINK he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: If your PMs with me were any indication, they were meant more as entertainment for you than anything of use to the village. this whole game is entertainment to me! Wouldn't want it any other way
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Well I'm a bit annoyed at Straw for revealing this in the thread, but I was already annoyed at Joe for wanting to help the elims. He had messaged me as well, asking if I was an elim and saying he'd help us in exchange for protection. I said I wasn't but I'd help him if he'd help the village. He said he would help us if we protected him and his ward. If he messaged Straw after this, then I would be very put out tbh. I didn't fully trust him I was just going to see if I could help protect him from the parole officer in exchange for a little elim digging, so now that I think about it he may have messaged Straw after me to try and find some elims per our agreement. I'd like to hear his explanation before voting @A Joe in the Bush Are you on our side or no?
STINK he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BrightnessRadiant said: Are you on our side or no? *alarm bells ringing*
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 @STINK why? Cuz I'm annoyed that he might've gone back on our agreement?
STINK he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Aight village. Lemme lay it out to ya from good ol' stinko. Straw is an elim. So, good lynch target. Simple logic, right? Joe is a ?????????????????????. ???? or Elim? Who knows, as a simple STINK i'd vote elim. But then you got all the complex planners who are like 'no we dont lynch elims we wait and then mwahaha im an elim' Also, y'all need to seriously chill.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 @STINK chilling is for non revolutionaries I honestly think Joe is a neutral just trying to survive, but I'm just annoyed if he was still trying to help the elims after he already agreed to help the village so I still wanna hear from him whether or not he actually sent Straw that pm after we made an agreement or not. I suppose I could just ask @Straw what time did he send you that pm and @Arraenae too?
DeTess she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 A couple of people have asked me whether I am the parole officer. So let me answer a different, but related, question. Why would a villager benefit from voting on Joe? The goal of convict!joe, as well as several other Neutrals, is to ensure that specific people survive till the end of the game. The quickest way for the game to end is if the village plays a perfect game and manages to lynch an elim (nearly) every cycle. The second quickest way for the game to end is if the village makes a lot of mistakes, doesn't get any elims, and the elims win by having a majority. For this second win-condition, every living 'survivalist' will ensure that this moment occurs sooner, as it is in their interest to end the game as soon as possible. Furthermore, the elims can guarantee immunity from the elim kills to the neutrals, while the village can't completely guarantee immunity to the lynch, unless someone can prove his neutral role(which, with the exception of the thief, is not possible this game, I believe). So, the village would benefit from a dead Joe as it removes a potential elim vote from the end-of-game hammer if it comes down to it, thereby delaying said hammer for a cycle. If this had been any other cycle, the lynch would probably be better spent trying to get an elim, but neither STINK nor Straw are engaging in (for them) alignment indicative behavior, as far as I can see. I haven't really seen anyone else say or do anything that heavily suggest that they are elims, so that's why I think taking out the known potential threat, ratehr than gambling on maybe hitting on is the better course of action. If you disagree, vote! Joe currently has the same number of votes as straw, if I'm not mistaken, and both of them only have 2 votes, so if you have a different suspicion, make your voice heard! Don't just stand there, passively! You've come to join us here in a revolution, a grand removal of our totalitarian oppressors in Elendel, so we already know that none of you are cowards! If you, sir *points at Alrin*, or you, madam *points at Julie*, believe that someone among us is not actually a supporter of our proud revolution, speak up! It is my belief that this common criminal *Points at Jack* would sell us out to the constables the moment they give him what he wants, and such a craven has no place among our bortherhood and on our barricade!
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Hmmm ok so he PM'd me 14 hours ago too, so he may have sent out several PMs before we made a deal. @randuir I honestly thought he could be helpful in searching for the elims so I wanted to help him out, but now that he's outed I guess that play is off the table. Thinking about what to do now... Edited June 25, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant
DeTess she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BrightnessRadiant said: I honestly thought he could be helpful in searching for the elims so I wanted to help him out, but now that he's outed I guess that play is off the table. I was serious about that last paragraph, btw. If you (or anyone else) disagree with the Joe lynch and have a better target, vote on that person. It's not like there's an insurmountable bandwagon on Joe right now.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, randuir said: I was serious about that last paragraph, btw. If you (or anyone else) disagree with the Joe lynch and have a better target, vote on that person. It's not like there's an insurmountable bandwagon on Joe right now. Yeah tbh when I went to sleep last night, I was considering voting for you when I got up lol I don't have much evidence, but I felt like looking for a different target then straw and stink because they kind of just seemed like villagers who were annoying each other lol The elims seem to keep a lower profile than they were and I was trying to consider who else has been slightly active but not overly giving me a village vibe one way or another and one of them was you sorry But I still don't have much of a read on you, and I'm not sure about the Joe lynch because if the convict's ward and the pauper noble are willing to help the village (providing Joe is actually the convict) then I'd like to keep him around to protect those other 2 roles if they're willing to help us. I'll wait to vote until I hear from @A Joe in the Bush (tagging you again to make sure you see this) The pauper noble (orlok) has already told me he would be willing to help the village.
Seonid he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just saying: this is par for the course with Joe. Totally normal behavior. He's after an interesting game, not a guaranteed win. I'd kind of like to keep him around to protect the convicts ward and the pauper noble too though
Stick. she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Yitzi2 said: On the other hand, odds are pretty good that a villager's getting lynched the first day anyway, so there's no reason for an elim to go out of his way to determine that a particular villager is lynched; if anything, keeping suspicious villagers alive might benefit the elims by causing the village to waste a lynch on them later on when the chance of lynching an elim is higher. Or are you just saying that you wouldn't be a very good elim? That only happens because even if we do start pointing fingers at one of the elims, their teammates make sure they don't get lynched by suggesting another lynch target, which is fairly easy to get away with on D1s as no-one's really sure of anything yet
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Seonid said: Just saying: this is par for the course with Joe. Totally normal behavior. He's after an interesting game, not a guaranteed win. I'd kind of like to keep him around to protect the convicts ward and the pauper noble too though As would l. BUT I would also require regular Valjean parodies "bring him home" or whatnot Heck I haven't done any RP! I'm Jay Garrick in this game, so that would mean I'm a bit older... hmmm Jay sat by the barricade, his awesome winged hat upon his head. Red and Black, indeed. Let the dawn of equality for all cities come, even at the cost of his own life. Edited June 25, 2017 by The Flash
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