Long Game 33: Life

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

1 minute ago, Alvron said:

Frozen yogurt instead.  Assassins gotta watch their weight else they can't sneak in and stick sharp things into fleshy things.  Depends on the flavour I suppose.

Whats a assassiny, rusty spoony flavour... blood orange? Cranberry? Strawberry? Rainbow?

[DeTess she/her]

Telar was sitting under a tree n the University campus. He was eating his lunch while reading a book. For the first time since the start of the previous he had time to return to reading the old saga he’d started reading before the term started. It was only an hour each day during lunch, but the little time made him feel more focused and content when it came to the rest of the studies. The older student at the archives had probably had a point when he’d told Telar to take things easy.

He noticed two students on the other end of the lawn as he packed the remains of his lunch away. The two of them where clustered around the base of an old tree. Telar got up and started walking towards them, his curiosity piqued. Before he could get close enough to see who they were or what they were doing they leapt up and an away. Telar was pretty sure he could hear them laughing.

Telar looked over the base of the tree, but didn’t notice anything unusual. It seemed to be an old tree, certainly, but there was nothing special about it. Apart from that slightly discolored sheet of bark.

He reached out , and found that the sheet of bark was actually loose. He pulled it carefully aside, and found a hollow space behind it, filled with bananas and pears! Telar scratched his head in confusion. Why would anyone want to have a secret stash of fruit on the campus?

He put the barks back as he found it and hurried along to his next course. This was probably just another one of those university things that new students weren't meant to understand yet.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

I wake up, and the thread has exploded. Steph or Burnt? I've read through the posts and find Wilson's analysis quite interesting. A gram, due to its passable ability, would be most useful among the Skindancers, however, it would take a Noble to purchase one. Bodyguards, on the other hand, are cheaper, cannot be passed around, and give more protection to sabotage than to kills. Wilson, quite the master of analysis. 

But now Burnt has replied, and admitted buying the gram. I'm inclined to believe her innocent from her defense, but it could be flipped on her as something the Skindancers would do as well. It comes down to trial and error, hopefully less error. 

Steph

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

I was busy with stuff in real life today sorry I'm not posting until now...I could have posted earlier but it wouldn't have been much and I wanted to do some analysis of the thread from this turn

Okay so here are my thoughts after reading the thread:

1. Everyone seems very sure that a Aturan noble couldn't possibly have bought a gram unless they had a loan...but as an Aturan I can tell you that isn't true...after all of my tuition reductions last cycle I would have been rich enough to buy a gram if I wanted...I think that a bodyguard does make more sense to buy unless you really suspect that someone is going to off you soon...but even then, a bodyguard protects against at least one kill attempt so why buy a gram...unless you want to protect a fellow elim or you don't want them getting their hands on it...honestly I feel like burnt made a good point by saying she wanted to keep it away from the elims(we don't want them to have it). Also is there only one gram available in Imre per turn? @little wilson you said they were sold out...is there only one?

2. @Haelbarde you said that we could RP to get a tuition reduction rather than voting but there are more reasons than tuition fees to vote for people...I feel like with all that's been said and done in the thread now is as good a time as any to start voting on our suspicions...If I was an Elim I would want the villagers to hold off on voting for as many turns as possible while I silently sabotaged them one cycle at a time...just thought I should mention that thought to everyone...we should probably take the votes more seriously now. It shouldn't just be about tuition reductions anymore.

3. @Jondesu and @Arinian you both claimed to not have been paying attention when you were voting and didn't even look to see if you were voting on the rich or poor...when it was that early in the game I feel like you should have been more careful not to vote on an Edema...Everyone was saying in the thread that we should vote on the richer classes and yet you claim to not have even looked at the list before voting...that seems strange to me.

4. @Paranoid King why would you vote for Sart if he's already an Edema and staying on the streets? Just seems like overkill to me...unless you really want him gone for some reason? Also several people have claimed how they don't like that you are "throwing around" votes which I kinda get. You have seemed pretty flippant in who you choose to vote for. Not saying your evil...just that you're actions are something to consider.

5. @OrlokTsubodai I totally agree with your post about how we will eventually get info from going back through the thread once we actually do find a skindancer...I think we should focus more on discussing and voting our suspicions now because of this. Also you made a good point that the expulsions would inconvenience the elims more than the village because of the synergy they could have through their different talents on their teams. I would also like to point out that one of the win conditions for the skindancers is that they can win by bringing down all of the fields by becoming masters in them.. so shouldn't we be trying to get them expelled to keep them from being able to become masters? 

6. @Cluny the Scourge I do agree that Randuir has been a VERY helpful villager and that does make me suspect him(mostly because some of the most helpful and talkative villagers in my last game were evil) but to be safe I wouldn't want to get rid of him in case he is good because I think we need him...he helps get us talking and he also helps us understand the game better. A smart and helpful villager is good to keep around but I also see the potential threat he could be if he's an elim...all things considered I'd say it's too early to really try and expell him but anyone wanting to spy on him or something might be a good call so we can know if he is on our side sooner than later.

7. I don't remember who posted this in the thread and I'm too tired at this point to go back and look through the thread for it but someone pointed out the fact that 40 votes is enough to expell someone outright. I think this is a good point for helping us to remember that we should try working together to expell really suspicious players... whenever we find any 

8. @queensteph you mentioned that the skindancers might try to get rid of the richer students earlier than the poor cuz they are a good resource..I agree and not just because i am one of the rich lol. We should focus more on suspicion than rank.

9. Finally done for now! Sorry for the incredibly lengthy post!  I hope it was helpful...honestly I hope it even makes sense...I'm really tired...and I'm not reading through this again before I post lol

I will give more thoughts on who I suspect most and place my votes in a bit...need a break...Also will post RP later 

[STINK he/him]

Aw, I got no personal message

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 minute ago, STINK said:

Aw, I got no personal message

Haha sorry stink I will find something for you from my notes 

10. @STINK you were the one who pointed out that Arinian not being "aware" of the Edema situation seemed fishy and I agree...so that's a point in favor of me trusting you lol

[Orlok Tsubodai]

@queensteph, I think I'm going to withdraw my votes from you. Your posts in the remainder of T1M1, and T1M2 appear to me to be far more innocuous, and I'm not convinced that Joe's eagerness explanation is wrong. 

Queensteph, Queensteph.

I haven't analysed T2M1 yet, but will do so tonight. As such, I don't have many thoughts on Burnt, and haven't spent the time thinking about the bodyguard/gram situation that came up last night.

I would raise the following points as relevant to discussion on Burnt from T1M1: (Posts clearly summarised by me)

96. Says Queensteph's vote is fine. as a noble can afford it. Doesn't need tuition reduction, asks if she should vote anyway to spread DP?

My notes on this post have it as "mild evil", on the basis of being very passive. Burnt was joint fourth on posts by 27 posts before the end of T1M2 (which is where my analysis currently concludes), and is clearly dedicating time to this game. @Burnt Spaghetti, why were you not capable of working out for yourself whether or not you should vote to spread DP? Why the reliance on Randuir? This game isn't Randuir vs the skindancers, it's the whole village vs the skindancers. This reads to me like attempting to ingratiate yourself with him.

98. Will vote for BrightnessRadiant to give every noble a vote on them

This followed Randuir posting in between (post 97) saying that we do need more posts.

I get a sense of a lack of drive, here, which is incongruous with the effort you're putting into the game. 

 

I would, however, note that in Burnt's other eight posts (that I've analysed), nothing else really stood out. Particularly at the beginning of T1M1, she was helpful, and gave sensible advice, barring unwarranted paranoia about a single (apparently suicidal) skindancer placing a single vote for an expulsion if we had no other votes.

Her apprehension at Alv's vote on her, and subsequent voting on DA and Aman read to me like warranted self preservation, and are not alignment indicative in my mind.

 

I'm running out of time, but hope to get a post on Cluny up later today, before the end of the cycle.

[STINK he/him]

2 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

This game isn't Randuir vs the skindancers,

Unless Randuir is a hivemind that we all contribute to, in which case I know that I give Randuir the fun bits of whatever, and Orlok can give all the logic bits. 

Oh, and I'm pretty sure it was Jondesu that I talked to about the Edema situation, rather than Arinian. Or my vote is on the completely wrong person

[DeTess she/her]

21 minutes ago, STINK said:

Unless Randuir is a hivemind that we all contribute to, in which case I know that I give Randuir the fun bits of whatever, and Orlok can give all the logic bits. 

Do we really need to have another 'talk' about betraying the Secret, STINK?  I really don't want everyone to know that I'm the self-aware AI created by all the interactions in the SE sub-forum.

Edited May 4, 2017 by randuir

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

28 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

@queensteph, I think I'm going to withdraw my votes from you. Your posts in the remainder of T1M1, and T1M2 appear to me to be far more innocuous, and I'm not convinced that Joe's eagerness explanation is wrong. 

Queensteph, Queensteph.

I haven't analysed T2M1 yet, but will do so tonight. As such, I don't have many thoughts on Burnt, and haven't spent the time thinking about the bodyguard/gram situation that came up last night.

I would raise the following points as relevant to discussion on Burnt from T1M1: (Posts clearly summarised by me)

96. Says Queensteph's vote is fine. as a noble can afford it. Doesn't need tuition reduction, asks if she should vote anyway to spread DP?

My notes on this post have it as "mild evil", on the basis of being very passive. Burnt was joint fourth on posts by 27 posts before the end of T1M2 (which is where my analysis currently concludes), and is clearly dedicating time to this game. @Burnt Spaghetti, why were you not capable of working out for yourself whether or not you should vote to spread DP? Why the reliance on Randuir? This game isn't Randuir vs the skindancers, it's the whole village vs the skindancers. This reads to me like attempting to ingratiate yourself with him.

98. Will vote for BrightnessRadiant to give every noble a vote on them

This followed Randuir posting in between (post 97) saying that we do need more posts.

I get a sense of a lack of drive, here, which is incongruous with the effort you're putting into the game. 

 

I would, however, note that in Burnt's other eight posts (that I've analysed), nothing else really stood out. Particularly at the beginning of T1M1, she was helpful, and gave sensible advice, barring unwarranted paranoia about a single (apparently suicidal) skindancer placing a single vote for an expulsion if we had no other votes.

Her apprehension at Alv's vote on her, and subsequent voting on DA and Aman read to me like warranted self preservation, and are not alignment indicative in my mind.

 

I'm running out of time, but hope to get a post on Cluny up later today, before the end of the cycle.

I like being passive. Im a very passivey person. I also sometimes cant be bothered thinking. Randuir proved to be thinking at the time so got him to think for me also it was probably late. Tired me likes thinking even less. Sheepleing is much easier.

"I get a sense of a lack of drive, here, which is incongruous with the effort you're putting into the game. "

Lemme google that long word firstly. Ok. It is? Huh. I dont feel like im really putting that much effort into this. Other that dealing with unwarranted paranoia and warranted paranoia and acting accordingly  Ah unwarranted paranoia. Im a paranoid person

[DeTess she/her]

Anyway, I've been going over the past couple of cycles as well to see if I can get some actual suspicions, rather than some gut-feelings. I'm going to talk about QueenSteph, Drake Marshall and PK for starters, and might get to some others as well.

So lets start with, @queensteph. From her posts I'm definitely more getting an impression of being slightly lost and not sure what to do (not meant to disparage you in any way, queensteph, so apologies if it comes over that way), rather than malicious intent. She did seem to appear more certain when starting other games she'd been part of (as far as I can tell when quickly skimming through her first couple of comments), but the last one of those ended more than a year ago, so I wouldn't say that's alignment indicative one way or another. I think a couple of the things she'd said in the thread, such as asking clarification about the specifics of PK plan she might have not posted if she had access to an elim doc in which to discuss things with others first. I suspect she'd also have been a bit more consistent with her votes if she was an elim. Constantly switching up votes is something I'd expect a villager would be more inclined to do as new information is revealed (within reason, of course), while an elim would be more likely to stick to a lynch target unless some very compelling evidence for someone's innocence is provided.

I'm reading very tentatively village on her at this point, but this is still mostly down to tone, rather than anything specific.

Up next is @Drake Marshall. Firs, there's an inconsistency in a post of his from page 11:

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I trust PK actually. They put themselves on the line to advocate a pretty risky D1 action, and I don't think that would be worth it for a skindancer. I disagreed with PK advocating that everyone vote, but I don't suspect them.

If I had to say I suspect someone... Hmmm... I didn't particularly like the way HH was so ready to throw around votes on people without solid reasoning. Also, the first vote he cast was on someone who already had a vote, which could be an honest mistake, but could be viewed in a different light...

I don't really see how HH's votes where less reasoned than PK's. Sure, PK provided a reason to start voting in the first place, but he didn't really support why he voted for the specific people after that. HH mentioned he was doing it for the tuition reduction, and though he has less claim to wanting that than a non-noble, Pk isn't exactly an Edema Ruh either.

As I've said before, I also find his sudden decision to start voting in turn 2 after strictly abstaining in turn 1 (even after pointing out himself that voting would reduce the risk of individual people getting punished) rather odd. After the end of term 1, this had made me lean Elim on him.

However, Drake's contributions to the discussion about Steph have made me re-assess somewhat. He could have easily joined the Steph bandwagon. After Orlok's post, it shouldn't have been too hard for an elim to 'find' some more evidence of her evilness though justify that vote, but he kept a more considerate stance. This could of course be an elim ploy to either protect a friendly elim, or win trust by protecting a villager, but it doesn't really look like that to me. Based on his posts he seems to actually want to think it over and come to his own conclusions, while an elim could have bandwagoned of either Wilson's or Orlok's opinion without too much risk of being exposed.

So right now, I'm reading Neutral on Drake.

And now, on to @Paranoid King. As I've said before, his plan for spreading out votes to get a net gain was not bad, but the fact that he immediately implemented it without first letting it be thoroughly discussed. He's argued that there would be votes anyway, and his actions prevented worse from happening, but that's using hindsight to justify his actions (as it is, people where very reluctant to start voting, even after he'd started, so I think C1 could have been without votes if he hadn't started that).

There's a particular post by him I want to address though, from page 13:

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  On 5/2/2017 at 7:09 AM, BrightnessRadiant said:

Everyone was repeatedly stating good arguments in the thread about why we shouldn't vote on that turn, yet you never removed your votes, or even appeared to consider trying to see their point of view.

 

 

You mean like these people?

Spoiler

Hael: "A single complaint in a given month could guarantee expulsion, so were there any complaints,  there needed to be many complaints so the load was shared and no one was expelled without cause.  He mused that not complaining also left the skindancers an opportunity to potentially expel a student or even two,  of their choice.  Preventing that from happening would seem prudent. " (+)

Brightness: " I can't tell if it's worth the risk." (?)

Burnt: "People, be very very careful about voting for the Edemas." (?)

Sart: "He also remembered he had 2 complaints to work with. He would of course use both of them, if that got him any more deductions" (+)

Queensteph: "It's a solid idea though I don't really see how it helps (besides lowering tuition ,obviously). (although I guess it's better than no votes / random person getting voted on a lot since we don't know anything yet this first round!)" (?)

Drake: "And I understand why non-ruh would find it a good idea too. In theory, if we could get everyone to cast votes evenly on everyone else, it would be a net positive (or maybe not I suppose, since this is a competitive game and ultimately if everyone benefits equally it does nothing for your odds of winning). But I'm looking at the voting counts and I don't think this is attainable." (-)

Queensteph: " I don't really think the random complaint casting is worth it. I'd rather have 1DP then reducing my tuition by half a talent." (-)

Burnt: " Only thing with a no vote cycle, someone could come in last minute and put a vote on someone. If only one person is voted on they would probably end up being expelled from memory. And that doesnt sound like a good thing to happen early on." (+)

Randuir: " I am against voting D1, however, I'm going to vote anyway, namely on  PK" (+)

Brightness: " It's not going to give us any information, and it will only hurt those who you vote for. You get an inflation of 1 jot on your tuition every time someone votes for you. And you are more likely to gather DP unnecessarily early in the game. If you get brought on the horns you will also get an inflation on your tuition(2 talents)." (-)

Mage: " I'd like to spread out the votes and not get someone - especially me - expelled first turn. " (+)

Randuir: " if you are just voting randomly to decrease your tuition, but not everyone is doing the same, you're seriously hampering the power of some villagers(possibly an elim, but those chances with random votes are about 20% or less), as they lose either money, EP or both, and can get role-blocked due to lashings. " (-)

HH: " I'll be getting a tuition reduction out of Mage, because if he's already been to the Horns, why not again? " (+)

Randuir: " your current action will only serve to harm the village, at no great gain to yourself. (Because Mage has already been voted on) Unless you're a skindancer, of course. " (?)

Stick: "I'm likely to vote on someone random" (+)

Drake: " Voting literally gives us 0 information. " (-)

 

Total: (+2). I'd say there are more people for me than against me

The thing that struck me in particular was that a number of the '+' he sued to justify his position should be either '?' or '-'. For example, I made my vote on him, adn clearly indicating I was taking this action to limit the damage he was causing, so I don't see how he saw that as an argument for voting C1. Likewise, Hael's argument was that if there was a vote, there needed to be a lot of them. His first paragraph from the same post even highlighted the dangers of random voting:

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It was slightly worrying how many complaints had been thrown around last time,  and the tuition inflation associated with having a complaint filed against you had caused at least one Edema to be kicked out of the uni for a term due to the unexpected price hike. The complaint had been random and baseless too.

This to me seemed like he was trying to twist people's words to make it seem like they where supporting him. The one about my vote against him should ahve been failry obvious when seen in context, so I doubt he did this on accident.

Most of PK's other posts aren't particularly alignment indicative, but I'd like to note that he did join the Queensteph lynch with a comment that seemed to come down to 'sure, I'll follow Orlok's lead', which is something I've pointed out before that I think the elims might do.

So I'm currently having an elim read on PK.

And, I've got space for two bonus opinions.

First, regarding @Burnt Spaghetti. Her posts in the first term didn't seem particularly alignment indicative to me. There is the argument about the Gram, which is a point against her, especially since she played in LG18, so probably knew that body-guard would beat Gram in terms of effectiveness for villagers. There's also this post:

6 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Okay fair enough 

Still think its a bit trigger happy that just cause i bought a item thats useful to the holder regardless of alignment that i should be expelled. But sure. Expell me. Leave me as a vintish chilling in the imre. I believe expelled students can still buy everything. Im probably more useful there anyways.

Anyways. Im exhausted (yes its only 5pm but i had my first student teacher placement today so im quite drained) so imma nap. I'll be back in a few hours.

If people want to lynch me so be it. I wont counter vote unless people decide that vote spreading is what they want to do. Why? Dont have suspicions other than annoyance at being voted for again.

Hey maybe if im expelled i will buy bloodless and bodyguards instead! Why not! Stockpile it all! Dont that sound fun?

This does sound a bit like a threat to me. I don't really see why a villager would make such a threat though, while the threat from an elim would be obvious.

A quick intermezzo about HH, as I've mentioned bandwagoning as a possible elim tell before. I've played enough games with HH by now to know that he tends to bandwagon, so in his case I wouldn't say that is alignment indicative.

The last person I wanted to mention is Cluny (mentions broke). Specifically, there is this post I wanted to talk about(emphasis mine):

17 hours ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

I think HH and PK. Both voted for Steph, who as far as I can tell is not that suspicious. I think OrlokTsubodai has some good points, and I am not as suspicious of him as I am of PK. He has been "throwing votes," and being interestingly interested in certain things. I am not totally certain of my suspicions, but I think he is a good guess. He and Randuir have been driving conversation, is that because they are perfect villagers? Or is it because they want to appear that way?

Now, I'm not saying that people that seem helpful are automatically good. However, I'm surprised to see this particular comment coming from a new player, as this kind of casual suspicion-throwing is something I'd expect to see from more experienced players, rather than from a relatively new player. This makes me wonder whether he was 'talking the doc'. His comment about Orlok having some good points also makes me wonder whether he's trying to avoid Orlok's suspicions by trying to appear to agree with him.

So, altogether, this makes me somewhat wary of Cluny. However, I'm going to add my second vote to Burnt for now, as she appears more suspicious to me than Cluny at this point.

Edited May 4, 2017 by randuir

[Stick. she/her]

 many pages...much to read...no time...much tired. Don't think I'll post much this turn. Though I have skimmed through all the posts. Thoughts to come T2M2. 

[Arinian]

3 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

3. @Jondesu and @Arinian you both claimed to not have been paying attention when you were voting and didn't even look to see if you were voting on the rich or poor...when it was that early in the game I feel like you should have been more careful not to vote on an Edema...Everyone was saying in the thread that we should vote on the richer classes and yet you claim to not have even looked at the list before voting...that seems strange to me.

Absolutely wrong I looked on whom I voted. And I'm not voted on Hael.

You can go and look page 13 and you will see why Hael adressed me his post.

Also what to say... hmm...

7 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

I did infact buy a gram.

And nahlrot. So i aint lashed either. 

And failed at my talent pipes. Not that i needed more money.

 

So why did i get a gram? Cause paranoia? Cause stopping anyone else getting one? And cause i could?

Why am i paranoid? (When arent i paranoid). Cause i fully expected a vintish to be eliminated somehow early on.  And i was fully justified in this. Mage was a vintish and just got sabotaged. And then when i put in orders to buy a gram, i was currently at a potential expulsion risk. A sabotaged expelled student insta dies. Soo. Woulda been a good opportunity to be sabotaged imo. Sure i could have gotten a bodyguard. But. Why get a bodyguard when i can afford a gram? Same with bloodless. Why get bloodless when i can afford a gram?  Grams arent a limitless resource and i could afford one. Id be a idiot to not get one tbh. If i were a skindancer, why would i leave it there for a villager to get it? If i were a villager why would i leave it there for a skindancer to get it?

 

 

Also.

I see a lot of "oh noes burnt wont be on to respond"

 

Im australian. Its 4pm. Rollover is somehing like. 2 or 3ish am.

 

 Of course idea of getting gram before elims can get it, is good. But I don't believe that it was your initial idea for buying gram.

Sorry  Burnt but I don't believe you. DA

As I said earlier I don't suspect Steph. I looked through all her previous posts and what I see is confusion... Also her defense from accusations on this turn confused me little bit cause something that she said earlier don't fit to what she said now, but I think I just misunderstood something. 

Oh also I don't know why but my gut says that BrightnessRadiant is suspicious... can't do nothing with that, maybe I should go take some probiotics  (PK)

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Still "analyzing" but I just want to point out that yes, I as an Alturan noble, I could have bought the gram for 15 talents.

[DeTess she/her]

1 minute ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Still "analyzing" but I just want to point out that yes, I as an Alturan noble, I could have bought the gram for 15 talents.

How exactly would you have done that last cycle? Would you have taken out a loan?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Hmmm... Not too much changed since last night.

Personally I'd be okay if we spread votes a little  for burnt's sake, but I'm not retracting or redistributing mine.

So... See y'alls next turn I guess.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Elbereth in PM:

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lalala I cant see anything

EDIT: Feel free to vote at me, as you know no that I am staying at the pony and can afford it, no more than two please.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[DeTess she/her]

You ca't actually quote the GM PM. However, the gram must have been bought last turn, not this turn, and you've only gotten that money at the start of this turn.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Ok wait... sorry I could buy a gram now, and could have last turn, though I would have needed a small loan, I have some *ahem* powers that help me with things like that.

Oh bloody ashes, why not? Sorry to break tradition but I am an arithmetician, and thus have tools. Yes, I was only elevated at the start of this turn, but I could have taken out a loan from devi and paid it back using money that I gain from "sources". (I won't pickpocket you if you vote on me)

I upvoted everyone for no reason at all, It is definitely not suspicious.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[STINK he/him]

11 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said:

Hmmm... Not too much changed since last night.

Personally I'd be okay if we spread votes a little  for burnt's sake, but I'm not retracting or redistributing mine.

So... See y'alls next turn I guess.

Aha! Drake. A lovely second vote to make.

[DeTess she/her]

2 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Ok wait... sorry I could buy a gram, and have some more to spare, I have some *ahem* powers that help me with things like that.

Oh bloody ashes, why not? Sorry to break tradition but I am an arithmetician, and thus have tools. Yes, I was only elevated at the start of this turn, but I could have taken out a loan and paid it back using money that I gain from "sources". (I won't pickpocket you if you vote on me)

Yeas, I suppose that way you could have gotten it. still, Burnt has said that she bought it, so i guess this discussion is somewhat moot. There is no tradition that prevents you from claiming what your field is, though it might help the elims pick their targets more carefully.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

But arithmetic can't harm eliminators, exceptfor my black market stuff... Oh nevamind

Can someone give me a link to LG:18 so that I can read it?

Edited May 4, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[DeTess she/her]

5 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

But arithmetic can't harm eliminators, exceptfor my black market stuff... Oh nevamind

Can someone give me a link to LG:18 so that I can read it?

And though it is correct that arithmetic isn't directly dangerous, your claim makes it easier to figure out who do have directly harmful powers. Plus, don't underestimate the power of having a lot of Talents.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Thanks!

(on a completely unrelated note, be careful about looking at the rules today... or any other google docs... https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/3/15534768/google-docs-phishing-attack-share-this-document-with-you-spam ) I just saw this!

Edited May 4, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[STINK he/him]

Yeah, don't say what field you're being elevated in / what EP you're doing. That's a bad idea.