Straw Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I have a contact who is a scanner. In my opinion we should Lynch Sart while my contact scans Sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I have a contact who is a scanner. In my opinion we should Lynch Sart while my contact scans Sheep.Wow. Just wow. This is obviously a last-ditch attempt to save yourself. And, if I remember the rules correctly, an impossible one. Strawman . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Heh. 3 way tie. Edited June 5, 2016 by ThatTinyStrawMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I have a contact who is a scanner. In my opinion we should Lynch Sart while my contact scans Sheep.How do you have a contact?Edit: I think that you are right about Elodin's posts, sheep, but when I first read the posts I thought it was just paranoia on Elodin's part. Having this pointed out, though, I think that ther is about a 15-25% chance that he is an eliminator. It is enough tor raise suspicions, but not enough to vote for him on. I do think that you have a good reason for raising this suspicion on him, but along with posts earlier from you and my gut feeling, I think that I am going to vote sheep. If I understand correctly, you've discussed how you think Elodin is suspicious, and then voted for me. Which posts of mine make you suspicious of me? Edited June 5, 2016 by AliasSheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 There is one answer to this if I am good. Can you figure it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyLopen Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I have a contact who is a scanner. In my opinion we should Lynch Sart while my contact scans Sheep. Strawman, nooooooo! There's not any PM's yet dude. :/ So either Strawman is a scanner or if he's a Darkfriend, one of his Darkfriend teammates is. Or I guess this could be a lie to make us not lynch him, but the lynch isn't even on him right now... We've got about 40 minutes until the end of Day 1 I believe. Not 3 hours. Elodin, I said your vote on Sheep was eliminatory because you did something similar in the first game you were evil. I said you and another player were suspicious for some reason or another(like I did with you and Sheep for voting on me sorta) and then you had a complete change of opinion and voted to lynch the player you were just agreeing with(similar to what you just did with Sheep). I'm moving my vote to Elodin. Sheep. Here's what we can do. Let Strawman live for 3 Cycles. He will give us his scanned targets(which he chooses and tells no one of) and then we kill him to get accurate results(if he's village) or he'll turn up to be an evil and that's just as good or better. Anything else and he'd probably get converted by Padan Fain. Since he has a time limit for how long he can live, Padan Fain probably won't convert him. Edit: Gamma, if you are a Warder/Channeler, do you start the game with a PM with your other half? Edited June 5, 2016 by TheMightyLopen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STINK Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 So TSM is clearly trying to say he is either a Channeler or a Weaver. But eh, it's still a desperate move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Lopen, you just said that Strawman might be evil and then proposed keeping him alive for three cycles! What the storms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbringer12 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 If I understand correctly, you've discussed how you think Elodin is suspicious, and then voted for me. Which posts of mine make you suspicious of me? Sorry for confusion, but I was trying to say that you are trying to make Elodin look more suspicious than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimeleecee Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I believe this is up to date.. Let me know if I missed something Lynch Votes Sarah/Sart(5/6 with mayor): Keland, Mezal, Lomion, Gladium, Locke Llewella/Sheep(3): Ruon, Phil Bill, Cubiks Gladium/Strawman(6): Sarah, Birgitte, Bugsy, Ba'Alzamon, Cenn, Lorien Trafalgar/DeathClutch(1): Tazrim An-alline/phattemer(1): Eryn Cenn/Seonid(1): Alain, Ba'Alzaman/Elodin(2): Douza, Jak Jak/Lopen(1): Llewella Mezal/Meta(1): Amaiya Mayoral Votes Lomion/Elbereth(5): Amaiya, Gladium, Ruon, Lomion, Ba'Alzamon Jak/Lopen(4): Jak, Sarah, Phil Bill, Cubiks Mezal/Meta(2): Keland, Lorien Tazrim/Hellscythe(1): Tazrim Amaiya/Mailliw(2): Locke, Birgitte Eryn/Nyali(1): M'Hael Ba'Alzamon/Elodin (2): Lexaven, Ba'Alzamon Edit:adding votes. Edited June 5, 2016 by jaimeleecee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlok Tsubodai Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Much though I dislike doing so - and with my deepest apologies, I feel that the most productive end to today is to lynch Sart. Given how much of the day has revolved around players' views of the Sart lynch, I think that we would be wasting a great deal of information about motivations should we lynch Sheep or Strawman - and in my mind, that information is worth it, despite my utter lack of suspicion of Sart. Edit: I think the vote count ignores Elbereth's double vote - so it would have been 5 for Sart, 5 for Strawman, and I think it's now 6 for Sart Edited June 5, 2016 by OrlokTsubodai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Fiend Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 27 minutes left in the Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbringer12 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Much though I dislike doing so - and with my deepest apologies, I feel that the most productive end to today is to lynch Sart. Given how much of the day has revolved around players' views of the Sart lynch, I think that we would be wasting a great deal of information about motivations should we lynch Sheep or Strawman - and in my mind, that information is worth it, despite my utter lack of suspicion of Sart. Edit: I think the vote count ignores Elbereth's double vote - so it would have been 5 for Sart, 5 for Strawman, and I think it's now 6 for Sart If you lack suspicion for Sart, then why vote for him? just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyLopen Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Lopen, you just said that Strawman might be evil and then proposed keeping him alive for three cycles! What the storms? He's just basically claimed scanner. If he's village, that means he's a scanner(unless he just did the stupidest thing that a villager could possibly do for no reason whatsoever, in which case kill him with a fury and I don't even care if it sounds mean). I'm waiting for word of Gamma about the PM with a Warder/Channeler, but I don't know about the possibility of starting out with more than one role. It's unlikely, imo, which would mean that Strawman is lying about being a scanner/knowing a scanner and is a Darkfriend. IF he is a Darkfriend, then he'll have to keep up the illusion that he can scan players and we might possibly be able to glean information from that, plus the 3 Cycle time limit means we'll kill him eventually, which is a fair compromise imo, because there's the possibility that he's a village scanner. Strawman, can you please claim your role right now? No more vague hints, you've already made too much confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Sorry for confusion, but I was trying to say that you are trying to make Elodin look more suspicious than he is. Ah, that makes sense. I disagree, of course, but thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conquestor Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I think that Gladium(Straw) is evil because what he just said is impossible! I still don't think that Sarah(Sart) is evil and if you don't, then don't vote for him. I do think that Eryn(Nyali) is still an eliminator, but will have to pursue that a different time. I know that this is a lot of I think this and I think that, but it is the first cycle. Edit : Ninja'd by Rubik! Edited June 5, 2016 by Conquestor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I'm here! I wasn't aware that I would have this free time, but I'm free until after rollover! So. Lots of things have happened, thus lots of things to say. (Sorry to people who dislike reading long posts. This is what happens when I don't have access for most of the day so I can't respond to things as they come along.) Elbereth: Unsure about Elbereth. She could just not trust herself to make the right decisions. What makes me suspicious is something about this style feels similar to the style she used in QF15.What? Like, seriously. You voted for me for Mayor. Which kind of implies that (for some unknown reason) you trust me. Not that you suspect me. I'm confused. As far as the Mayor thing goes, Lomion seems to have it in the bag. But, considering that I don't trust her much at all at this point (her last post was basically just filler about PM safety again), I'd like to offer up another candidate in Lorien.Other thing about that that I forgot to say last night: I'm traveling. Things like that post are useful (at least, I hope they are), and I can write them without internet access and then post them later. I can't do that with suspicions. So this is my way of trying to contribute as best as I can even though I have less time/access than usual.Also, it's filler to you, perhaps. It's not filler to players who weren't around when Kas was, or when discussions of PM safety took place. And obviously it's not something that everyone has learned, given the amount of openness in PMs in a game with PM spies. So I thought I'd lay out exactly why it's bad, as best I could. Hopefully it helped. I'm sorry, but does no one else see Meta misrepresenting people this cycle? Not just me either? Something's up and there's no way you just failed to understand me and Seonid completely.Maybe? I do think something has seemed somewhat... off. I'm not sure about that, though. He just doesn't seem as clear as usual, I guess. Usually he clarifies the situation, and I feel like he's not doing that as much as usual right now. I'm going to put a vote behind Maill for the mayoralty - I think his arguments have largely been sound, I'm not inclined to trust Meta with any more influence right now, and I don't think giving it to Elb is going to pay dividends in terms of delivering additional scrutiny, or voting power for the village if she's not going to use it, as she has suggested.Well, I'm not saying I wouldn't use it completely. I would certainly vote every cycle I was Mayor and use my power as I thought right. But I don't think I would use it effectively. Small distinction, perhaps, but it's there. Not only this, but, in my mind, Elb is actually a little suspicious - she's been really helpful - in putting forward the village advice, but not in a way that necessarily implicates her with anyone - it's a lovely position whereby she gains trust without having to risk any links with potential teammates. To be very clear, I don't think it's worth voting for her to be lynched for this, by any means, but on top of the reduced use for the role, it's enough for me to suggest she not be made mayor. This is actually something I was going to bring up, although in the opposite direction. Because of the points made above about me doing more advice-giving than suspecting, I haven't put off anyone by accusing them or anyone they agree with. I think that might be a potential reason I've gotten so many votes, maybe. Because I haven't strongly accused anyone, so I'm safe to vote for, in a way? Not sure about that, but it's the only thing I can think of. Onward to Elbereth (Lomion)! To be completely honest she is the player I am most suspicious of right now. One reason in particular I don’t want to mention yet, because if she does it again then I’ll be as close to certain of her evilness as I can be of anyone this early in the game. Don’t want to tell her what that is as it might discourage her from doing it again. I know that’s vague and would probably be better for me not to mention, but it’s always interesting seeing people’s reactions to vague things like that. Anyway, with this first post in particular, my relevant thoughts are… I agree that roleclaiming should be only done strategically, her use of “obviously” when talking about Gamma intentionally trying to make people paranoid about secret roles when she is the first person to bring it up suggests to me that either she is a secret role / trying to claim a secret role for when she’s not for some odd reason or that she is an eliminator trying to distract us with what ifs (Winter did it in MR12, which may or may not have been because of her alignment, but I personally feel there’s no point in discussing it beyond that everyone needs to be aware of the possibility and act accordingly), and that’s all for that.Huh, okay. I'll be interested to find out what that is, then. I can't think of anything off of the top of my head, but then, I wouldn't be able to, would I? Presuming you mean MR14 there, since she wasn't in MR12. I think that at this point, I need to vote quickly or lose my chance. I am going for Jak and I need to decide between two people for lynch.Do you have any reason for that vote? Just curious. I have a contact who is a scanner. In my opinion we should Lynch Sart while my contact scans Sheep. There is one answer to this if I am good. Can you figure it out? Well, obviously, you're trying to say you're a Channeller and your Warder is a Viewer. (Or you're a Warder and your Channeller is also a Viewer, but that seems decidedly unlikely.) Alternatively, you're lying about having a contact (not realizing PMs haven't begun yet) and you yourself are a Viewer. Alternatively, you're lying about the whole thing to save your own neck (or just for fun). There's precendent for that, in QF14. I was going to vote for you, but I like Lopen's plan much better. Although if it is a contact and not just yourself who's the scanner, killing Strawman won't prove that the scanner is in fact a Villager. We'd have to wait two more cycles. That's five cycles of leaving an eliminator alive. Which is a little long, in my opinion. For now, I think my vote will stay where it is. My reasons for voting Sart have not changed, and I'm not sure that Straw is a better candidate. I'm going to write up a post of my opinions on every player now. May or may not finish before turnover, depending on how many people I have to respond to in thread. At least I'm able to post at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlok Tsubodai Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 If you lack suspicion for Sart, then why vote for him? just curious. Because in doing so we learn a great deal about other players - if he's guilty it casts light on those who defended him (and, for paranoia's sake, to some extent those who may have thrown him under the bus), and if not it removes unnecessary suspicion from those who might get unduly scrutinised for defending a suspect player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Okay, the vote is neck and neck between Sart and Sheep. Will cast my vote after rereading thread. What's the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes til turnover. (Also, incidentally, that question reminds me of when you were an eliminator in LG11 and asked for when turnvoer was several times over the game. Not all that suspicious, but I wanted to point it out.) Edited June 5, 2016 by Elbereth (Lomion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyLopen Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes until the Day ends! Strawman, please explain what you mean in clear terms. Weirdly claiming like that is frustrating for everyone. I'll move my vote to Sart, because my vote on Elodin is doing nothing. Edited June 5, 2016 by TheMightyLopen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimeleecee Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) The current lynch vote is 7-6 Sarah(sart) and Gladium(straw) with Lomion's mayoral vote clinching the lead for Sarah. We probably have about 15mins left now Edit: vote for sart right before I posted Edited June 5, 2016 by jaimeleecee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbringer12 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Because in doing so we learn a great deal about other players - if he's guilty it casts light on those who defended him (and, for paranoia's sake, to some extent those who may have thrown him under the bus), and if not it removes unnecessary suspicion from those who might get unduly scrutinised for defending a suspect player. Huh. that makes a lot of sense. That is not what I would do, but that really does make sense. Do you have any reason for that vote? Just curious. Not really. More of just a gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Fiend Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Oh, missed the one question asked earlier.Warders and Channelers can start PMs between each other at any point during the game, so from the start of Day1 if they so choose to.I can neither confirm nor deny some players having more than one role or not. And 15 minutes! It'll take me a while to get through everything and get the write-up and rollover figured out, so let's just safely say 10pm EST is probably a safe bet of when Night 1 will start. (Gamma has a hangover...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) And 15 minutes! It'll take me a while to get through everything and get the write-up and rollover figured out, so let's just safely say 10pm EST is probably a safe bet of when Night 1 will start. (Gamma has a hangover...) @Purpletext: Edited June 5, 2016 by Amanuensis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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