Long Game 22: Corenne al'Daishar

[Mailliw73 he/him]

If a Wisdom protects someone and that someone was attacked, do they find out? Does the Wisdom?

What about the Whitecloak? I assume they don't get told anything, since no actions were taken on them. Do detained players get notified?

Gamma?

Edit: The other possibility for no kill was a Dreamwalker entering the Dream Realn.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Mailliw73

[Elbereth she/her]

Oh, just thought of a possibility for Orlok's death - someone might have targeted his Channeller? Gamma, would we be able to tell the difference between a Warder being attacked and a Channeller being attacked but a Warder taking their place?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Just edited my post above, but was ninjad by El.

Another Dreamwalker who entered the Dream Realm could be another explanation for no DF kill.

[Elbereth she/her]

Of course.

Good point. I hope not, because goodbye communications after tomorrow night. Unless there are more than two Dreamwalkers. Which there might be, but I don't want to count on it.

EDIT: Also, awesome writeup, Gamma!

Edited June 6, 2016 by Elbereth (Lomion)

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Of course.

Good point. I hope not, because goodbye communications after tomorrow night. Unless there are more than two Dreamwalkers. Which there might be, but I don't want to count on it.

EDIT: Also, awesome writeup, Gamma!

Only if the Darkfriends have a roleblock/whitecloak.

Gamma, if we don't get a PM saying our actions were roleblocked, do we assume they went through?

[Elbereth she/her]

I meant, the Darkfriends killing the- Wait, no. Got it. Never mind. I'm still tired from my trip, apparently. >.<

[Haelbarde he/him]

@Gamma: I assume no villagers put in orders for the dragon fang? What happens if two players are tied for the most night votes?

Edited June 6, 2016 by Haelbarde

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

IF you're not notified otherwise, assume it went through no problem!
Also, A player needs at least 2 Dragon Fangs to get it scrawled on their door. Any ties would result in no Dragon Fang.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Yeah, I'll let you guys figure out about the non-Darkfriend kill. I'm kinda tired.

 

My top suspicion is still Elodin. But, I guess if I'm gonna put him up for the lynch, it would be a good idea to go over my points against him again in a more extensive post. So, yeah, I'll try to do that at some point. Probably not tonight. Hopefully sometime early-ish tomorrow.

 

Top suspects:

 

Elodin - 35

Rubiks - 42

Gunshy - 44

Jaime - 44

Nyali - 46

Twei - 47

Mailliw - 48

Stink - 48

Haelbarde - 50???

 

I think that's all the players I have any bit of real suspicion against(paranoid about Meta and Aman, but don't suspect them). Hael, only reason you're on it is because I've found I can't read you by posts alone. So you're probably gonna stay on the suspect list until I see some sort of evidence saying otherwise.

 

Everyone else, either village or neutral reads so far I think. I'd like to hear from phattemer soon though. Hellscythe and Araris as well.

[Young Bard he/him]

Elodin - 35

Rubiks - 42

Gunshy - 44

Jaime - 44

Nyali - 46

Twei - 47

Mailliw - 48

Stink - 48

Haelbarde - 50???

 

Straw's not on the list?

 

Actually, seeing as there's already a vote on Elodin, I'll vote for Straw, as I'd like both of them to speak up in a bit more detail. Straw, you claimed scanner, but I'm not entirely convinced. Why were you so keen to bandwagon, with only one public profile vote manip to account for? (Elodin's given an explanation, which, while somewhat vague, is at least plausible.)

 

Phattemer, anything to say? I missed you not posting last time. You're not dead through inactivity, either. Does that mean you've been making PM's, or maybe posting in a Doc?

[Elbereth she/her]

First off, Straw is a claimed scanner that we're already planning to lynch/kill in a couple of cycles just to make sure he's telling the truth, so I think we probably shouldn't lynch him right now.

Second, as far as I'm aware there's no inactivity filter in this game. So Phatt could have said nothing in PMs or docs and still be alive today. He could continue to do so for as long as he likes, and the GM will not kill him. (The vigilante Wolfbrother seems likely to given he's the only other person who hasn't posted at all (I think?), though.)

Thirdly, I'm going to bed. Hopefully there's another page of discussion in the morning. Already I think we're off to a much slower start than the first day, which worries me. Talk! We just caught a Forsaken! That's basically the most ideal thing that could possibly have happened D1. So take advantage of it, and talk!

Poking Phatt for now just to get myself to vote. Vote will be retracted if he posts or there's a lynch candidate who's actually suspicious to me. (Not sure about Elodin at the moment. I want to go over his posts again before I make a final decision on what I think of him.)

Also, what do people think about voting for a new Mayor this cycle? Should we stick with Lopen, or rotate it? (I'm personally of the opinion that rotating the position will be more useful and a bit less dangerous if we do happen to elect a Darkfriend. But I'd certainly welcome other opinions on the matter.)

Edited to retract vote.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Elbereth (Lomion)

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Straw's not on the list?

 

 

No, he's not. I view him as more likely village at this point for 2 reasons. Reason #1 - He roleclaimed(sorta, in an accidental way I guess) an information role on Day 1. The Viewer is a scanner, so if he was a Darkfriend, I can't see how him claiming that wouild make any sense, because the Darkfriends wouldn't want his scans to be publicly revealed. Reason #2 - He was an alternate candidate who was almost lynched in the place of Sart. Doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent, but combined with his roleclaim, I'm leaning village right now.

 

Also, what do people think about voting for a new Mayor this cycle? Should we stick with Lopen, or rotate it? (I'm personally of the opinion that rotating the position will be more useful and a bit less dangerous if we do happen to elect a Darkfriend. But I'd certainly welcome other opinions on the matter.)

 

Well, we could just make Wilson Mayor. Even if she got Corrupted, she'd still most likely try and catch the Darkfriends(I think. Although I'd imagine Fain's main focus will be finding a Wolf-Brother, given it's a kill), so I think her vote having extra power wouldn't really be hurtful and could actually be helpful.

 

Of course, I would be totally happy with keeping the Mayor position, but I'd understand if you all wanted to elect a new one. 

 

Rubik. Figure I'd put a vote down before I go to bed. My reasoning behind this vote is in the Night thread, if you want to know the details.

 

Edit: Hey Meta, you seem unusually quiet. What are your thoughts on all of this?

Edited June 8, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Bugsy he/him]

Hey Gunshy, you've been a bit quiet lately. Any thoughts on the game so far?

Edited to remove vote

Edited June 6, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Conquestor he/him]

And the votes are flying! I do believe that Wilson would make an excellent mayor, but,I am wondering if Meta got corrupted, It's possible. He is a mostly trusted player and we didn't talk about killing him in the night. On another note, how many Darkfriends do we think there are? I was thinking two, so, that would leave one to vote for who he/she wanted to kill. Even if the Whitecloak got one of them, there would still be another one.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Conquestor

[Bugsy he/him]

And the votes are flying! I do believe that Wilson would make an excellent mayor, but,I am wondering if Meta got corrupted, It's possible. He is a mostly trusted player and we didn't talk about killing him in the night. On another note, how many Darkfriends do we think there are? I was thinking two, so, that would leave one to vote for who he/she wanted to kill. Even if the Whitecloak got one of them, there would still be another one.

Darkfriends? Definitely more than 2, most likely. Because otherwise they'd have to be last man standing if one of them dies

As for mayor, I'd vote for someone more out of the spotlight. Young Bard, perhaps? He seems to have done some level of analysis, but I don't think he's high profile enough to be corrupted. Might make a good mayor for the cycle

 

Edited to remove mayoral vote

Edited June 7, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Haelbarde he/him]

With 25 players in the game, 5-7 would be the expected number of players, if we used the normal proportions Given that there's both an eliminator faction, and a conversion faction, I think I'd then expect that you'd maybe have up to 4 of each? Like, maybe 1 forsaken with 3 DF, and Fain gets 3 conversions?

[Bugsy he/him]

Gunshy has informed me IRL that his computer is broken, so he might be inactive until he can get it fixed

[Seonid he/him]

With 25 players in the game, 5-7 would be the expected number of players, if we used the normal proportions Given that there's both an eliminator faction, and a conversion faction, I think I'd then expect that you'd maybe have up to 4 of each? Like, maybe 1 forsaken with 3 DF, and Fain gets 3 conversions?

I suspect you're right there. It would still make the numbers 8 out of 28 (assuming Fain gets all of his conversions before we catch him), more than 25% non-village, and an added benefit to the darkfriends of a second kill (except we caught the Forsaken before he could use it ). I wouldn't expect more than 4 on either team.

Also - we've covered a lot of the ground available on the missing Darkfriend kill, but I thought of something that we haven't mentioned yet.

It is possible that the darkfriends targeted the player (or one if them, if there was more than one) who was detained by the Whitecloaks. Remember, actions targeting a detained player also fail - it's not just a roleblock. It can be used as sort of a protection too.

[Straw he/him]

Only if the Darkfriends have a roleblock/whitecloak.

Gamma, if we don't get a PM saying our actions were roleblocked, do we assume they went through?

I scanned Elodin but was blocked. Could I get some protection tonight? Edited June 6, 2016 by Straw

[Bugsy he/him]

Do the detained know they were detained? If so, please say who you were. That way, the whitecloack doesn't need to risk themselves unnecessary. Your identity will eventually be revealed anyways, and if you were actually targeted by the Elims they already know who you are. Just reveal yourself, don't deprive the village of information needlessly

[Haelbarde he/him]

Hmm - wondering if Straw got detained?

[Conquestor he/him]

I scanned Elodin but was blocked. Could I get some protection tonight?

That's a great excuse for not having any info, but I think you might be a villager. I want to see what Phatt has to say about what has happened so far. Hey, you guys remember what you said about Fain pretending to be inactive? I think Phatt might actually be the best choice for the lynch, because if he is Fain, then we would have lynched the two worst anti-villagers there are. If he isn't, then we would have lynched an inactive, which isn't worse than a eliminator, but better than an active villager.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Conquestor

[Straw he/him]

Edit: I think Elodin would be the best candidate for a lynch because he has been acting shady, and my scan on him was blocked.

@Hael Sorry.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Straw

[Haelbarde he/him]

Straw: Letting you know that directly quoting PMs is against the rules - you can't copy-paste anything from a PM into thread.

[Bugsy he/him]

Hmm - wondering if Straw got detained?

Most likely. If he were blocked it would only be by an Elim channeler, who would much more likely to just kill him and keep their powers a secret and not waste one entirely. Anyone else want to counter claim Straw? If so, he's most likely lying

Edited June 6, 2016 by Bugsy6912