Long Game 22: Corenne al'Daishar

[Amanuensis he/him]

EDIT: Aman, with your theory about Sart and Seonid why are you suspicious of me?

 

I'll get to you eventually, good sir; think you're #7 on my list, so that will come sooner than you think. But if it helps, it's mostly because I'm riding the same train of thought that Lopen was on earlier.

[Master Elodin]

I'll get to you eventually, good sir; think you're #7 on my list, so that will come sooner than you think. But if it helps, it's mostly because I'm riding the same train of thought that Lopen was on earlier.

Ok.

EDIT: I'm exuding forced harmlessness? Um. Sorry? I don't know what to say.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Master Elodin

[Master Elodin]

Just the impression I'm getting, sorry.

No it's ok, just something that's hard to respond to.

EDIT: Woo! 1000th post!

Edited June 5, 2016 by Master Elodin

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm about to get relieved from work so I'm going to post what else I've got done so far now.

 

4. Nyali, Weak Suspicion: Not much to go off of, sadly, but there’s two things I’ll comment on. As Araris brought up, both Seonid and her “went after Meta for being quick to place a second vote on a player” which I can see as her trying to discourage additional votes on Sart. While mentioning mob mentality is valuable, I think she brought it up more often than necessary, which suggests to me she really wanted people to think about it. Maybe because mob mentalities are bad, but also maybe because a mob was forming on her leader. I also am wary because of her interactions with Elbereth, but I don’t think judging a player’s alignment off of suspicions of another unconfirmed player is is fair or wise, so I’ll avoid going into that.

5. AliasSheep, Weak Trust: Starts off talking about the Mayor and how he’s suspicious of Sart for using an RNG to determine who he wants to elect. While it could be attempt at distancing himself from a teammate that’s just not the impression I’m getting, but I won’t discount the possibility. He chooses to vote for Lopen instead of Sart, however, because of how he downplayed the Mayor role and voted for himself in a single breath. I also presume he didn’t want to join the Sart Train, which I get. Later on Elodin says he distrusts him because of “inconsistent suspicions”, which I don’t really understand, if I’m honest. His distrust of people reads genuine to me, as did his little ramble towards the end, there. And the points he brings up against Elodin are valid as well, in my opinion. Ultimately the main reason I have any semblance of trust for Sheep though is because while Sart was under pressure, several people tried to implicate him or imply that he was shady, and that made me uncomfortable.

 

6. Conquestor, Weak Suspicion: Not really much to go off of, but these are the few things I noticed. He voted Meta for mayor in his first post, which is a half point in his favor, though I wish he didn’t do it without an explanation. He votes to lynch Winter later, asking people why they are saying they’re suspicious of her but not voting. Oh, he later says that he only voted for Meta because he was less suspicious of him, which I get but the timing of it just seemed weird to me. If I’m wrong about Elbereth it’s possible he was trying to make her look bad because the Darkfriends wanted Meta to be Mayor for some reason, but she was stacking votes quickly. Don’t really get why he voted for Nyali, and I’ve noticed he’s been using exclamation points a lot. Might have to go look at other games and see if he’s been that exclamatory before, because it makes me read his tone as frantic. Complains that “we keep going over the same stuff over and ove again” and suggests something is up and that the eliminators are manipulating us (presuming he’s directing this at the Sart Train, though he doesn’t explicitly state that as if he’s avoiding it for some reason). He also joins the bandwagon on Strawman, who other than Sart was, at the time, the only lynch candidate that had the potential to save his life. Looking at all this I’ve actually become considerably more suspicious of him then I was before, though I don’t know if I’d go as far as  to rate it Strong.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Amanuensis

[STINK he/him]

I'm gonna have to wait for like a week for my bit aren't I

[Straw he/him]

As a eliminator from a conversion game I have a bit to say about this.

1. A good tactic is to convert someone early in the game and convert another person when they are certain to be lynched the next turn so it will look like they have been evil the whole game.

2. Another tactic is to convert these people: Role hoarders (lots of info for Fain!), strategists (can help Fain make plans.), leaders (Fain can fake inactive and use these people to manipulate the masses.), trusted players (Fain can use them to create lynch trains.), and wall of text posters (easy to slip in lies.)

3. The last tactic is to split the village into factions. This can be done with anything (controversial lynches, strategies, distribution of roles, ect.)

Be on the watch for things like this happening!

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Got the write-up edited in (finally!), apologies for it looking like crap right now, the post didn't want to format, apparently. >.> So I'll try getting it fixed her shortly. 

 

A little bit under 7hours until the Night ends! Don't forget to submit your actions, or if you're not taking any, still let me know with 'No action', and try and post what cycle the action is for as well when submitting them, just to help me keep track of it all! Thank you!

[Bugsy he/him]

Oh! This being my first LG, I thought the night cycle was PMs only. Didn't even realize this thread existed.

Ok, I'm going to try to catch up on some stuff posted here. Whoops.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Conquestor he/him]

Great write-up Gamma!

 

Oh! This being my first LG, I thought the night cycle was PMs only. Didn't even realize this thread existed.

Ok, I'm going to try to catch up on some stuff posted here. Whoops.

Well, we know who has been in a lot of pms.

[Dustbringer12 he/him]

Is there even anything that we can do in this part of the thread other than just general discussion?

[Straw he/him]

We can post links to pictures of pugs!

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Edited June 5, 2016 by Straw

[Straw he/him]

...But game related discussion is always helpful.

@Winter Foiled again!

EDIT: My name has been magically changed!

EDIT: Evidently the pugs are not welcome here.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Straw

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Sorry, I was planning to come back and vote later in the day turn, but baby+company distracted me and I forgot. I still feel that inactives are solid choices day one, though people acting particularly suspicious are better ones.

I'd like to point out that the people who have expressed the most suspicion of me (I think, I missed the second half of day one) are/were in LG20 with me. The game isn't quite over yet, but if you look at it, I think you can see why they might be going after me. I'm new here and not sure how common retribution plays are, or if they are just trying to take out a strong late game player early, or if they are just suspicious due to gut read holdovers.

In any case, I will post more during the next day turn when I have the time to read through the second half of day one. I will say though that the vote was close enough that I think it's safe to say that at most one eliminator voted for Sarah and it would be best to focus on the people who didn't vote for her. Though, of course, Padan Fain (or Corrupted after tonight) could be one of those.

 

Uh, I see what you mean about who's casting suspicion on you, but seriously, it's not anything like that. I hold no grudges. I just have some minor paranoia about you based off of your tone for some reason. Honestly, that's it. I'm definitely not even thinking about suggesting you for the lynch or a Wolf-Brother kill. I would be happy if you got scanned, but it's not necessary. I just try to post whatever I'm currently thinking about players who have been posting a good amount, such as you(even though you've been busy so posting a little less than usual, which is totally fine), since that's the best way to promote helpful discussion imo.

 

I think I agree with you that there probably wasn't more than one Darkfriend who voted on Sart, if any.

 

As far as Night Actions go, since Elodin asked, I think that most roles are pretty easily understood, so players should be able to figure out what to do with them on their own.

 

Might not be a bad idea to protect Strawman/Wilson. Maybe add Meta to that protect list as well I guess, since he's often a target on N1 and might be even more of one now that he helped lynch a Forsaken. I wouldn't mind getting protected either, but that's up to the protector. >>

Wolf-Brother(s): Pretty much the only suspicion I have at the moment that I'd push for a lynch/kill is Elodin, so I guess I'll put that up there as a suggestion. Not killing is also an option, as it would allow you to stat hidden from Padan Fain better I guess? And it would give us more time to get suspicions laid out and stuff. But again, your call.

Viewer: No suggestions really.

Thief-taker: Yep, no suggestions. Do what you want.

Dreamwalkers: Stay alive so we can continue conversing in PM's!

Aiel-blooded: Well, this is basically a passive role.

Whitecloaks are Day Actions and it appears that no one Detained anyone.

Ta'veren: Cool power. Use wisely.

Channeler: Again, whoever has this power can probably decide for themselves.

 

Also, don't forget to send in your Night Actions!

 

Oh, and to address this point since it will undoubtedly continue to come up, I know Sart did vote for me for Mayor, but obviously, I don't see that as good reason to suspect me. I feel like I played an important role in getting him lynched by voting on Sart when I did and stopping everyone from lynching Strawman because of his claiming vaguely with like, 45 minutes left in the Day. >> So, I guess I'll understand if you want to vote a new Mayor in, since my Mayorhood was partially caused from a vote cast by a Forsaken, but I'd be kinda sad if I only had 1 Cycle as Mayor.

 

I'll try to get a bit more RP up before the Night ends, but I'm not sure I'll have the time. I really liked the write-up once again Gamma!

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Some quick updates!

Whitecloak detain actions are noted in the Night Cycle when they happen. I know they submit their action during the day, but it doesn't go into effect until the Night.

 

Also, if a Channeler were to burn themselves out, then when they become a 'vanilla', it severs the bond between them and their Warder, making the warder become a vanilla player as well. That also means they can't share PMs anymore either.

 

 

There's probably a handful of questions I've missed/glossed over, so I'll keep trying to get them updated when I can. Also eventually updating the OP with these rules and player list whenever I can get around to it! (digging through all the PMs now.... >.> )

 

Edit: New update
If a Warder is detained while their Channeler gets attacked and would die, then the Warder would not be able to protect them, and the Channeler would die, thus giving the Warder 2 cycles left to live. (And by 2 cycles I mean two full rotations of Day & Nights)
 

Edited June 5, 2016 by Gamma Fiend

[Bugsy he/him]

So, I guess I'll understand if you want to vote a new Mayor in, since my Mayorhood was partially caused from a vote cast by a Forsaken, but I'd be kinda sad if I only had 1 Cycle as Mayor.

Honestly, I'd reccomend a new mayor regardless of my suspicions or lack thereof, if only to keep them from being converted

[Conquestor he/him]

I take back what I said about Jak(Lopen) being evil, because he was voted to be mayor by Sarah(Sart). Sarah knew she was going to be lynched at that point, so, she decided to vote for a mayor that she could cast suspicion upon! That is why I am now thinking that Jak is soft cleared.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Conquestor

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Do Corrupted get a doc/PM with Fain?

[Hellscythe he/him]

I take back what I said about Jak(Lopen) being evil, because he was voted to be mayor by Sarah(Sart). Sarah knew she was going to be lynched at that point, so, she decided to vote for a mayor that she could cast suspicion upon! That is why I am now thinking that Jak is soft cleared.

Or maybe that's what Sart wanted you to think.

 

Do Corrupted get a doc/PM with Fain?

No. Their win conditions don't coincide that wouldn't make sense.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Seonid he/him]

Aman and others, I don't blame you for being suspicious of me. Were our situations reversed, I would be suspicious of me too. I thought I was trying to save an innocent villager from a lynch manipulated by the darkfriends. It turns out that I was one of the ones manipulated.

That and I allowed meta's playstyle to make me suspicious of him. I thought I was past seeing differences in playstyle as suspicious, but apparently not. I'll work on that.

All I can say is I'm sorry. And I'll try to do better in the future at not being manipulated.

Moving on, my strongest suspicion as a Darkfriend right now is probably Elodin. His rapid vote changes are very suspect in my mind.

I have no leads on Padan Fain, though.

[Haelbarde he/him]

No. Their win conditions don't coincide that wouldn't make sense.

Trying to work out if you're being sarcastic or not...

Do Corrupted get a doc/PM with Fain?

Signups said they get a doc, I think.

Now to go read what everyone said overnight.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Haelbarde

[Hellscythe he/him]

Trying to work out if you're being sarcastic or not...

**Darkfriends that get Corrupted are capable of winning as either a Darkfriend or a Corrupted.

Villagers win if they eliminate all of the Darkfriends and Corrupted. Darkfriends win if they outnumber the other players. The Corrupted and Padan Fain win if they outnumber the other players.

 

Completely serious. They have to outnumber each other. Why would they get a doc?

[Haelbarde he/him]

**Darkfriends that get Corrupted are capable of winning as either a Darkfriend or a Corrupted.[/size]

Villagers [/size]win if they eliminate all of the Darkfriends and Corrupted. [/size]Darkfriends[/size] [/size]win if they outnumber the other players. The [/size]Corrupted and Padan Fain[/size] [/size]win if they outnumber the other players.[/size]

 

Completely serious. They have to outnumber each other. Why would they get a doc?

Fain corrupts players to his side. Darkfriends are the eliminators.

[Seonid he/him]

**Darkfriends that get Corrupted are capable of winning as either a Darkfriend or a Corrupted.

Villagers win if they eliminate all of the Darkfriends and Corrupted. Darkfriends win if they outnumber the other players. The Corrupted and Padan Fain win if they outnumber the other players.

Completely serious. They have to outnumber each other. Why would they get a doc?

Honestly think you're misreading the question. Mail asked if the Corrupted get a doc with Fain. The darkfriends certainly don't share a doc with Fain or the Corrupted. I believe, based on my reading of the rules, that the corrupted and Fain have their own doc.

[Hellscythe he/him]

OH I thought he said the Darkfriends and Padan Fain

[Haelbarde he/him]

Honestly think you're misreading the question. Mail asked if the Corrupted get a doc with Fain. The darkfriends certainly don't share a doc with Fain or the Corrupted. I believe, based on my reading of the rules, that the corrupted and Fain have their own doc.

Honestly more confused why Mail asked the question.