Long Game 18: Holly and Iron

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I suppose I have been hiding behind Clanky somewhat. It's true that he talked me into taking action, but that would not have been possible if I were not already very suspicious of you. Surely you cannot fault me for acting aggressively regarding our suspicions, when you yourself did the same last cycle?

 

You have not said anything to ease those suspicions, but I will, against my better judgement, hold off on a further attack. That may change in three turns, when you become a threat once again.

 

EDIT: I have just confirmed that the Analyst was online today, but has still not opened themselves up for scanning. I warn you that I am not bluffing. IRL problems or no, if you do not comply with this, I will see you dead.

No, that's not what I fault you for, if you truly are village. If you're village then I've got nothing against you. I just feel that one of the two of you was working towards killing me. 

 

Thank you. If I live that long, I hope I can convince you that I am not a skindancer and that we are on the same side.

 

Geez, harsh.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Meep. Wonko just turned scary.

I am not a skindancer.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I am not a Skindancer.

 

Mailliw, are you saying that you HAVE gone to Imre and you bought a Bodyguard but not any Nahlrout and so you're roleblocked? Why would you not buy Nahlrout??? It's only 1 talent. I think you probably did and aren't really roleblocked. I really think Mail is a Skindancer.

 

FireMuffin, Haelbarde and Araris, please post the I am not a Skindancer phrase.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I am not a Skindancer.

 

Mailliw, are you saying that you HAVE gone to Imre and you bought a Bodyguard but not any Nahlrout and so you're roleblocked? Why would you not buy Nahlrout??? It's only 1 talent. I think you probably did and aren't really roleblocked. I really think Mail is a Skindancer.

 

FireMuffin, Haelbarde and Araris, please post the I am not a Skindancer phrase.

Yes, I went to Imre and bought a Bodyguard. I did also bought Nahlrout, but that only prevents roleblocks from lashings. Wonko's Naming doesn't apply. 

[Firemuffin42]

Oh sorry, I thought I'd already posted it

Edit: Wow… almost forgot again… how absent minded am I?

I am not a skindancer

Edited March 20, 2016 by Firemuffin42

[Haelbarde he/him]

Okay guys, I'm back. 

 

I am not a skin dancer.

[Elbereth she/her]

Hey! I'm back from traveling! That means that starting tomorrow, I will post much more, though in smaller chunks, and actually be on near turnover, which is a plus. Also, RP could happen again. Yay.

Okay, a couple of thoughts and then bed.

  

Sabotaging one of their own does make sense actually. The win condition for Students is to KILL all the Skindancers. So even if he doesn't ever break out, he's only insane, not dead. I don't really know if they'd try that though. I know that getting attacked by the Skindancers is not as much of a confirmation as it usually is with eliminator attacks.

That's... terrifying. I'm guessing the game would still end? I don't know. GMs, if there is one Skindancer left, and they're insane, does the game end or keep going until we've killed that Skindancer?   

What information? That's the biggest critical difference about this lynch -- we don't learn anything from it. It is exclusively an offensive weapon. It can't be used to gain information, only to act on it.

That's not the case. In particular, the roleblock could be extremely useful in catching eliminators, particularly when the number of eliminators reduces to one or two, but not necessarily only then. For instance, if someone is voted for late enough in the cycle, or even if there's only apparently one vote on the Eliminator who is sending in the kill that cycle, if they're roleblocked and there's no reference to orders at cross-purposes in the writeup, then we can be fairly suspicious that that person is a Skindancer. That's very useful indeed, to my thinking.

Oh. I am not a Skindancer. Just because.

I might have things to say about the Analyst in the morning, but right now those thoughts are too complex for my brain to handle coherently. So good night.

[Clanky he/him]

Sorry for not explaining prior to this but I'm here to explain now. So basically Mailliw initially messaged me claiming to have Omen recognition asking if I could be his mouthpiece. I agreed and he told me he also has the School Records and Banned books powers. So upon asking if he had learned anything from them he said that he had only used School records once to confirm that STINK was indeed studying in Archives, which is the first lie. School records only tells you what people have been elevated in, not what they have put points into.

 

The second lie was found when I was told that Danosaur had failed at pickpocketing from Mailliw. Given that the only power that he told me about that could target a player was school records that would be what he used on him. But apparently he had only used it once to learn something from stink that can't even be found out via that power.

 

So if anyone would like to help us take out Mailliw (and STINK) tonight I bet he will have some protection so some extract attacks would be nice.

[Clanky he/him]

So STINK asked me in a PM (since he can't post in thread) to explain why I asked for him to be killed as well. He asked that we stop using social classes as evidence. He also said that he will be buying plenty of items now and that if you want anything PM him (which I can also do if anyone needs anything).

 

Now onto why this shouldn't matter because he will hopefully be dead at the end of the cycle. As you can see from my reasons for voting Maill that he lied about scanning STINK for his EPs. Also when I asked Maill about who I should buy an assassin for he said STINK and said that he hadn't thought about that. Which in and of itself doesn't seem indicative of anything but I do think it's a great way of distancing himself from a teammate who wouldn't really be in any danger.

 

The main thing though is that Maill got STINK expelled which once again doesn't seem like something that you would want to do to a teammate. However given that STINK has a lot of money and is the only player who hasn't been elevated is it ridiculous to think that he may not even have been attending the university in the first place? A vintish noble not attending the university can still do a ton of stuff.

 

But the main part that makes expelling a fellow skindancer seem great is that expelled students can no longer post in thread. So given that our only form of scanning players so far has required i thread posting this is a great way of stopping a teammate from even being able to get scanned. Especially since he was already under suspicion from some people and it would only be a matter of time until he was scanned.

 

Sorry for the double post but I feel that this is too big for an edit and requires it's own post. 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Yes, I went to Imre and bought a Bodyguard. I did also bought Nahlrout, but that only prevents roleblocks from lashings. Wonko's Naming doesn't apply. 

 

Oh right, I didn't think about that. GM's, does Nahlrout not protect from Naming roleblocks?

 

As for Clanky's post up above, that seems to make some sense. Personally I was thinking that it's possible that a rich Skindancer could be going to Imre and buying stuff for each of their buddies so that the rest of their team could elevate in their respective fields. Not even paying tuition would be a smart idea as well, since that would save a good amount of money each Term. Mailliw told me earlier that he hadn't ever gone to Imre and that was on the 4th Term, so it was very surprising to me. Of course, he could have been LYING! That wouldn't surprise me. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

I'll admit that that theory makes a sort of sense, if you just toss Occam out the window. I'm going to hold by my refusal to further attack Maill, though.

I'd also like to point out that you seem particularly bloodthirsty, Clanky. Maill is not in a position to inflict any meaningful sort of damage, and even Stink is heavily limited in what he can do. Why are you so insistent that they die this turn?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Lopen, you're right. I lied to you about Imre because I told you the truth about the other thing, this way I could still try to bait you into attacking me if you were a skindancer.

Clanky, that was only 1 lie. It was all the same sentence. You're right. I didn't use it on Stink because I planned to expel him and School Records wouldn't tell me if he was a skindancer or not. I checked El and Dano.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I am not a skindancer.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

GUYS! DON'T FORGET YOUR LODGING ORDERS!!!

[Clanky he/him]

Clanky, that was only 1 lie. It was all the same sentence. You're right. I didn't use it on Stink because I planned to expel him and School Records wouldn't tell me if he was a skindancer or not. I checked El and Dano.

One lie: You scanned STINK, Two lies: You only used it once. 

 

What did you gain from telling me that you scanned STINK then? What was the purpose?

 

I'll admit that that theory makes a sort of sense, if you just toss Occam out the window. I'm going to hold by my refusal to further attack Maill, though.

I'd also like to point out that you seem particularly bloodthirsty, Clanky. Maill is not in a position to inflict any meaningful sort of damage, and even Stink is heavily limited in what he can do. Why are you so insistent that they die this turn?

I personally would like us to have a confirmed Skindancer so that we can hopefully use that as a starting point to catch others. I don't think that leaving them alive just because they are limited in what they can do is the best way to go about this. It's actually best to kill players when they are roleblocked since they have less ways of defending themselves. STINK is not limited at all. He has enough money to buy a bodyguard/assassin and more each turn. 

 

What would you say the best explanation for this is? By Occams Razor we should just assume that both of them are students? You're not really going to get very far if that's what you think about everything in this game. 

 

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Also STINK asked me to post his rebutals to my post in thread. I can't copy and paste unfortunately but here it is. I tried not to change any of the actual content.

 

1:Doesn't know why maill did what he did. However points out that he was public with where he had put points so  what maill did would be easy.

 

2:As for why maill would've wanted to assassinate him would be because he wasn't being very helpful and already had protection. Doesn't actually know maills reasoning though

 

3:About expulsion: Says it seems that I am tunneling. Timing of my craziness makes a WGG possible, him being expelled was because of mailliw. Nobody including him saw it coming. Points out that he was elevated this cycle so must have been attending university.

 

4: would've liked to be scanned since he would like to meet the secret analyst. Can't put pressure on the 'confirmed' group publicly anymore. For all he knows they could all be skindancers in that group.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Honestly, it was a kind of test on you. To see if you would actually follow my suggestion on a kill as well as to see how much you were paying attention to what I was saying.

I suggested Stink as a kill both for the reason I expelled him, him being one of my top suspects, as well as testing Clanky to see what he'd do.

[Clanky he/him]

Honestly, it was a kind of test on you. To see if you would actually follow my suggestion on a kill as well as to see how much you were paying attention to what I was saying.

I suggested Stink as a kill both for the reason I expelled him, him being one of my top suspects, as well as testing Clanky to see what he'd do.

That is a very poor excuse given your other responses in thread:

 

That's a lie in and of itself. I didn't lie to Clanky I told him, he's the one player I trusted almost completely. I may or may not lie to most players, but not him.

 

 

I don't recall lying to Clanky at all. It's possible that I did, but I really don't remember one. Most of my time this week has been focused on my MR, so I haven't been paying a ton of attention to this game. Getting two players who were some of my top suspicions was my best option. I considered it the day before, but decided against it, but when again, there didn't seem to be any kind of lynch, I decided we needed the information more.

 

I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a predetermined test to see if I was paying attention. If it were then you probably would've remembered it and it would've been the immediate response to it. I think you just didn't think that there would be any way that I could find out that you lied.

 

EDIT: Also for those saying that I am acting bloodthirsty, well I am. We need to get some skindancers killed and that can't be done without getting your hands dirty.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Clanky

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

What are we gonna do about voting? I don't want Mailliwanyone to last minute vote on players again. If you last minute vote on anyone, I'm gonna assume you're a Skindancer and do my very best to make you dead.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

I haven't been able to figure out what to do about voting this entire game. It's a broken mechanic that's nearly useless to the Village. We could spread the vote, or we could just go with what you said, and kill anyone who levels a complaint. I'm for the second.

[Clanky he/him]

What are we gonna do about voting? I don't want Mailliwanyone to last minute vote on players again. If you last minute vote on anyone, I'm gonna assume you're a Skindancer and do my very best to make you dead.

We should probably go back to having some votes spread around to remove that possibility from happening again. At least this turn given that there's no downside for mailliw to do it again.

[Elbereth she/her]

The second lie was found when I was told that Danosaur had failed at pickpocketing from Mailliw. Given that the only power that he told me about that could target a player was school records that would be what he used on him. But apparently he had only used it once to learn something from stink that can't even be found out via that power.

Wait, how would Danosaur's failure to pickpocket Maill be an indication of anything?

 

 Wonko, as I've said before, it's not broken. Just more difficult.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

That Danosaur's pickpocket attempted to hit Maill at all indicates that Maill targeted Danosaur with something. It only failed because Maill had a bodyguard.

 

EDIT: Why is one of the tags 'Hammers'? Because I shattered Maill's bones? I did that with words, not sticks and stones.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Wonko the Sane

[Elbereth she/her]

Oh, I see. I misunderstood how Pickpocket works.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Living players who can be voted on:

 

Clanky(sabotaged by Skindancers on Month 1)

Wonko(*cleared* by the Analyst)

Lopen(*cleared* by the Analyst)

Mailliw

Araris

Haelbarde

FireMuffin

Danosaur(*cleared* by the Analyst)

Elbereth(*cleared* by the Analyst)

Burnt

 

Insane:

Kynedath

DeathClutch

ostrichofevil(wouldn't it be hilarious if this guy came back? I bet he'd be so lost  )

 

Exepelled:

Dowanx

STINK

The Only Joe

 

It's possible that Mailliw is staying at the Horse and Four and 1 vote won't affect him and so the DP that might go to him would go to someone else.

 

We should probably still vote on those who were *cleared* by the Analyst anyways, just because that way the votes will be spread around to a big enough group where no one will be expelled.

[little wilson she/her]

GMs, if there is one Skindancer left, and they're insane, does the game end or keep going until we've killed that Skindancer?

 

Could end; could keep going. What we'd do is do an insanity roll for everyone in the Crockery for the next 5 cycles. If the Skindancer doesn't break out in that time frame, the game would end and the students would win. If the skindancer does break out, we'd continue playing, though we obviously wouldn't indicate that the last Skindancer is insane.

 

Oh right, I didn't think about that. GM's, does Nahlrout not protect from Naming roleblocks?

No. Nahlrout only protects from lashing roleblocks. It does not protect from Nahlrout roleblocks, Physicker roleblocks, or Naming roleblocks. Or any other roleblock I may be forgetting. Only lashings.