LG113: Day 1: Freedom of Speech

[Asriel He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Village:
Whimsy - Asriel - TUC

So are you changing your vote?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

12 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

I'm 100% percent going to move to depose come nighttime unless PMs lead be to believe there's vastly more disloyal players than I expected 

Can we get reasoning on this?

11 hours ago, Archer said:

Araris (1): Hoid (poking the bear)

I love poking the bear

11 hours ago, Mystfall said:

There’s a role for it. There is no guarantee that Jo put the role in though

I highly doubt he wouldn’t

My guess is four starting elims, including one mavset-im

Elims:

I volunteer myself for conversion

This is halfway a joke and halfway a plea

11 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

@Mat According to the Rules the Deposition Votes will be publicly revealed.

I can see two interpretations of this:

a) we will know who has positive, neutral, or negative Loyalty

b) we will know how many have positive, neutral or negative Loyalty

@Jo and the Bush @Cuendillar please Clarify

Awesome thanks

So there actually does seem to be a potential upside to this. The danger is that not enough people up their Loyalty this cycle cause they’re all busy taking other actions, and we open the game with group suicide

Unlikely, though

1 hour ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

I agree with Mint that especially the 3. Point is a horrendous idea. Because it stops the village from doing anything productive with hheir actions because your plan forces all of us to increase Loyalty

I actually agree with Wahr here

Actually I’m not sure I do

Okay here’s my stance

As much as I wanna joke-Depose Jo, I don’t think we should legitimately use this as an info-gathering method since I don’t believe the bonuses outweigh the risks

TUC does have a point about the need to get villagers out of negative loyalty, however

I highly recommend all villagers with negative loyalty simply spend their actions to increase it until it is resolved. I don’t think further incentivizing is really needed. Village wants to stop all possible Depositions. This is the way. That ought to be enough incentive, I think

The other thing is we could all see if we can agree to unanimously increase loyalty this cycle

C1 actions, to be honest, rarely do much, and if we’re ever gonna do this now is the time with the least risk

The one role I don’t think should do this is the one that cab alignment scan at neutral loyalty, I don’t remember the name but yeah keep that ability please, and maybe highguard

Gonna drop this post for now and keep catching up, be right back

 

[WhimsyIsTheBestShard]

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Can you clarify if this is a vote or not? Red text is usually reserved for voting. 

EDIT:

Village:
Whimsy - Asriel - TUC

Lord Falwin assures you, he voted Rbi- er... Fickle

[Mystfall He/Him]

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

That is actually insane

I still feel guilty about last game, so I will vote with you to save you if I need to

Currently wanting to give Hoid a clear for now(don’t have a read just yet, but his role is most likely useful, especially since he had a hand in picking it, and I’d like to not take that away unless I feel confident)

If someone is going to Depo then I’m going to also stay away from Twin as well. I’d like to see the loyalty he started at. After that I’ve got a current gut v!read on Illwei.

I like what Hoid just posted-further reason to not vote him. Obviously taking out Whimsy, Fox and Asriel. It’s still a pretty big pool of people.

I think Mint

1 hour ago, Mint11 said:

"Well, that settles it. Fickle (Myst) isn't someone I'd expect to say that the traitors may not bring someone to their side."

I am suspicious of the fact that I have 4 votes already, and I don’t like this, especially considering what Wahr said immediately afterwards. If the reasoning is that I would go for Mavset, then Hoid falls under the same category, and you’ve said nothing about him. If it’s that you don’t like that I suggested the absence of a conversion, the conversion is role-dependent, if the person with the role dies before they convert anyone then there isn’t a conversion. Balancing that IMO is rather delicate considering one exe would essentially take out 2 of the Elims in one go(more if you consider how 1 conversion = 2 NKs)

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

19 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Village:
Whimsy - Asriel - TUC

Why do you say Whimsy and Asriel are village?

Their only action is voting Myst. If Myst flips elim I would agree that Asriel is village, but Whimsy doesn't sound cleared just yet.

[WhimsyIsTheBestShard]

6 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Why do you say Whimsy and Asriel are village?

Their only action is voting Myst. If Myst flips elim I would agree that Asriel is village, but Whimsy doesn't sound cleared just yet.

"No but I'm really nice"

If I put quotes around it it counts as being in character 

[Illwei]

@Asriel

I haven't yet, as you see. 

@The Unknown Character

General thoughts on the setup and best play as of now? You most likely have the best grasp of the rules, or at least you're implying as such. 

In response of sorts to Hoid- 

Again, I don't think extra actions are needed to purely increase loyalty at this moment. There are obviously some roles that benefit from having a negative Loyalty number. 

 - Bonded can track a player, and in doing so potentially increase their own Loyalty.
 - Minister of Trade can increase another player's loyalty by 2, and in doing so potentially increase their own Loyalty. 
 - Smuggler can potentially increase a player's loyalty, while basically performing a protect action it seems. 

While I'm on the topic i might as well talk about roles that I don't think benefit at all from having negative loyalty. 

 - Counselor: you don't have another action, so...increase your loyalty. 
 - Secretary: if you are in the negatives then you can learn a loyalty, but if you move up (max 2 turns) you can perform an Alignment check. 
 - Royal Family: You can use your negative ability even if you are at neutral Loyalty. While this role is, as I said before, Pretty Anti-Village in general - with lowering a loyalty by 4, if you were to need to use it you can do so at neutral. 
 - Naval Officer: This may be controversial, but a thug like this will not impact the game much from how I see it. You know yourself so you know if you are likely to die to a degree. Most likely it is not a big difference, and if you're in the high negatives (er-low?), then you will be - sorry to say it - more use to the village dead than alive, if you are adding too much negative loyalty. 
 - Banker: While you can increase loyalty to an extent when you are negative, it's not useful enough to justify being in a neg Loyalty. Meanwhile - Positive loyalty allows you to not just soothe votes (which I don't think it particularly useful in many cases from a village side), but it has those people who's vote you took vote with you for Deposition, which is very useful especially if there are people known or suspected to be in the negatives. 

Rebsk truly goes either way, I believe their Loyalty will be swinging all over the place throughout, lol. 
 

@Jo and the Bush 
The kill no longer takes an action slot, but is it still counted as an action by the roles that are able to track/watch/redirect? 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

The kill no longer takes an action slot, but is it still counted as an action by the roles that are able to track/watch/redirect? 

It is not. The only role that can interact with the Elim kill is the Highguard protect action.

[Archer he/him]

VC:

Mint (1): Myst 

Myst (30000): Asriel, Mat, Mint

Araris (1): Hoid

Asriel (1): Illwei

Illwei (1): Grub

 

Taking the generic action to increase your own loyalty is best done at Night, after Day effects have resolved eg. Tie resets your loyalty to zero. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

11 hours ago, Jo and the Bush said:

12 hours ago, Mat said:

edit2: @Jo and the Bush did twin choose their starting loyalty before or after receiving their GM PM?

PAFO (For new players, that is an Acronym for Play and Find Out, meaning that I'm not going to reveal that.)

I would assume he chose before, just because I had to choose before, and Myst probably did as well, but I can't be sure about that

10 hours ago, Mystfall said:

Basically, all loyalty affecting actions happen before the deposition occurs.

That's concerning

10 hours ago, Illwei said:

The Cons seem to be that with a potential (read: likely) convert on the Elim team, anyone voting negatively in the deposition is potentially another person who may be converted. While this may seem like it gives info on
 - Who to use abilities on
 - What abilities these players might have at their disposal
 - Who is potentially going to be converted 
I worry that instead it would cause
 - More targeted convert without the Elims having to wait to find people
 - A PoE of people that either the Elims will use to try and kill in for "maybe being converted", or villagers with paranoia moving that way
 - A potential deposition of the Queen on N1 with how the game may have randed. 

I agree with all this

Kinda crazy how Illwei said she'd go light this game and proceeded to produce the longest post so far

1 hour ago, Asriel said:

@Illwei Both Hoid and Mystfall said pregame they wanted to be Elims. Is it such a stretch to assume that if given the chance they would skew the odds to shoot for the mavset-im role?

I'm gonna say right now that I assure you Jo did not let me pick mavset-im. He gave me three options for roles, and they were all alignment-ambiguous.

You can not believe me if you want, but recall I wasn't sure of my alignment at the start of this cycle despite getting my boon 24 hours ago

1 hour ago, Mint11 said:

Chise shook her head. Even if she took Old Man Maker's initial words as true, which she did not, it was ridiculous to put the parlimentarian in a position where they would either have to waste their actions or otherwise reveal themselves, if they considered playing double agent to be the wiser choice. If any counselors were forced to be more staunchly loyalist now, it'd take them more time to convince the traitors later that they were on Odium's side.

Mint can you clarify what you're saying about the Parliamentarian here cause I'm confused

1 hour ago, Mint11 said:

"Well, that settles it. Fickle (Myst) isn't someone I'd expect to say that the traitors may not bring someone to their side."

Woah woah woah there

I like that guy

1 hour ago, Mystfall said:

Oh I did.

Didnt work out though

Yeah I like this guy

1 hour ago, Ink and Embers said:

1 hour ago, Mystfall said:

Oh I did.

Didnt work out though

I'm equally dubious of Myst, for this comment (though I'm not really sure what the alternative would be that he could say)

Chat I think that actually makes Myst look better if anything

Okay maybe not but

I think anyone in his place would rig the odds for mavset-im, and what is a villager without honesty

1 hour ago, Mystfall said:

I expect Hoid did something similar

Hoid legitimately considered turning down the boon for the possiblity of randing mavset-im, then remembered his standing with the gods of Chance and Fate and decided to go with the safe option

59 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

“shhhh! If you out my old age, no one will see me as the cunning youth wise beyond his years!”

Dvalk nodded grimly as Ralm finished his statement. “Choose humanity, or choose business. Or is humanity siding with the singers?”

Dvalk was not trained in the ways of the court. He watched others throw accusations and deflections as if they didn’t have to think. Too much for an ol— young untrained soul like him.

 

Illwei 

Why

40 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Village:
Whimsy - Asriel - TUC

Why

45 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

Will admit that I am concerned that it’s been 14 hours and there’s already 4 votes on me alone. 

Me too pal

51 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

Ah, thanks.

I was concerned for a sec that Archer was manipulating the votes through sheer gaslighting

Lowkey that would be crazy to get away with

Yeah @Mat you ready to come back and explain that

18 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

Currently wanting to give Hoid a clear for now(don’t have a read just yet, but his role is most likely useful, especially since he had a hand in picking it, and I’d like to not take that away unless I feel confident)

I will confirm I am not vanilla

18 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

I think Mint

Well this is funny I was just gonna do that. Curious about your reasoning though

19 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

I am suspicious of the fact that I have 4 votes already, and I don’t like this, especially considering what Wahr said immediately afterwards. If the reasoning is that I would go for Mavset, then Hoid falls under the same category, and you’ve said nothing about him. If it’s that you don’t like that I suggested the absence of a conversion, the conversion is role-dependent, if the person with the role dies before they convert anyone then there isn’t a conversion. Balancing that IMO is rather delicate considering one exe would essentially take out 2 of the Elims in one go(more if you consider how 1 conversion = 2 NKs)

Oh yeah that makes sense

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

In response of sorts to Hoid- 

Again, I don't think extra actions are needed to purely increase loyalty at this moment. There are obviously some roles that benefit from having a negative Loyalty number. 

 - Bonded can track a player, and in doing so potentially increase their own Loyalty.
 - Minister of Trade can increase another player's loyalty by 2, and in doing so potentially increase their own Loyalty. 
 - Smuggler can potentially increase a player's loyalty, while basically performing a protect action it seems. 

I agree with all this, and admit I have not been studious with the ruleset, but I don't think we should fall into the trap of disregarding loyalty entirely either

Cause the elims certainly won't, and if we just let them grind us down, they will succeed

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Yayyy I'm finally caught up I'mma post some notes I've been taking here

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Random notes:

People who have practically just RPed (please yap more)

KeyFox

KSauce

Wahr (to an extent, has also made some game related comments)

Whimsy

Grub

Asriel? Idk just saw an RP post, maybe not

Reads

Illwei - light village. I like the move on Asriel

TUC - light village. Don't know if he'd be playing this boldly as an elim, very stubborn

Wahr - used Mint's post to get into Deposition discussion, doubled down on it. 

Mint - light elim. Vibes. To be more specific, here seems to get a dose of validation from Wahr that elims crave. I also can't consistently understand her so that might be influencing me. Also didn't like that vote on Myst, especially when Myst already had (two?) votes

Myst - neutral. Could lean either way. Don't wanna kill him though, I hope he's elim and living his best life without me. I don't know what to think about him telling people to scan him, inclined to believe he at least ain't mavset-im though cause that's a risky gambit there could 100% be people here who would actually scan him for that

Ink and Embers - light light light elim for this post. Shoot I just realized those links don't work like I thought they did. Well scroll down deal with it I don't want bulky quotes. Just seems like they went for the two most obvious, easy to blame targets.

Just now, Archer said:

Araris (1): Hoid

Oh yeah I'd forgotten about that

@Araris Valerian my vote isn't on you anymore but wanna weigh in on what's going on?

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

VC:

Mint (1): Myst 

Myst (30000): Asriel, Mat, Mint

Araris (1): Hoid

Asriel (1): Illwei

Illwei (1): Grub

 

Taking the generic action to increase your own loyalty is best done at Night, after Day effects have resolved eg. Tie resets your loyalty to zero. 

Oh and Archer I must say I don't think I've seen much of you either besides VCs

Aren't all actions always taken at night?

[Illwei]

@Ascended Grubberfly

They haven't said much, and they do seem? to be friends of sort with Myst.

Revised list though. 

WAHR

Wahr's interaction so far has been basically unforced, is the root of it.
 - Initially an interaction with Mat, when Mat was originally directing his question at TuC.

Not just that but the implication is that Wahr is thinking about the game at a level that is good enough for me atm.
 - The response with Mint adds to this, with them agreeing that villagers shouldn't be forced to keep loyalties high. It's a post that shows they are paying attention to the things people are saying in a way I wouldn't expect at this point from the Elims (sue me if wrong) since Mint's post was all RP and they read through it to find Mint's thoughts, rather than take it as an RP post purely. 
 - Again with Mat, the response shows that he was trying to parse the game and TuC's thought process before TuC was there to respond. 

INK

What I see is Ink being incredibly comfortable in thread in a way I wouldn't expect from a new Elim. Correct me if this isn't Ink's first game or whatnot. 

I also think that their pointing out Myst's comment is a good look for them in a way, potentially seeing something similar in that post that I felt from Coco's post about trusting Myst in the last game,. 

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

WHIMSY

Whimsy is also on the lower end, but I do think that they have also shown a comfortable-ness in thread, if only RPing atm. 

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My reads have really little to do with any sort of pre-flips (bad habit, don't do it!) or connections atm. This is all based on how I have experienced players in thread before and who fits what kinda stereotype at the moment. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Shoutout to @Archer for making me realize I'd forgotten to vote

Mint, but open to hearing differing opinions

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

rather than take it as an RP post purely. 

It actually took me a second to realize it wasn't so that is worth recognizing

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

Could you quote it?

I don't wanna sift through those four pages again

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

pre-flips

Define pls

[Mystfall He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@Ascended Grubberfly

They haven't said much, and they do seem? to be friends of sort with Myst.

Revised list though. 

WAHR

Wahr's interaction so far has been basically unforced, is the root of it.
 - Initially an interaction with Mat, when Mat was originally directing his question at TuC.

Not just that but the implication is that Wahr is thinking about the game at a level that is good enough for me atm.
 - The response with Mint adds to this, with them agreeing that villagers shouldn't be forced to keep loyalties high. It's a post that shows they are paying attention to the things people are saying in a way I wouldn't expect at this point from the Elims (sue me if wrong) since Mint's post was all RP and they read through it to find Mint's thoughts, rather than take it as an RP post purely. 
 - Again with Mat, the response shows that he was trying to parse the game and TuC's thought process before TuC was there to respond. 

INK

What I see is Ink being incredibly comfortable in thread in a way I wouldn't expect from a new Elim. Correct me if this isn't Ink's first game or whatnot. 

I also think that their pointing out Myst's comment is a good look for them in a way, potentially seeing something similar in that post that I felt from Coco's post about trusting Myst in the last game,. 

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

WHIMSY

Whimsy is also on the lower end, but I do think that they have also shown a comfortable-ness in thread, if only RPing atm. 

--

My reads have really little to do with any sort of pre-flips (bad habit, don't do it!) or connections atm. This is all based on how I have experienced players in thread before and who fits what kinda stereotype at the moment. 

If I remember right Ink was Elim in a previous game

[Illwei]

I would like everyone to take into account that roles are- Well TUC can correct me if he thinks otherwise, but. 

The distro in a game is never truly random, or at least it shouldn't be, in 99% of moderately balanced games. While it's random who gets what, it is most likely not random how many of each role is in the game, and what alignment they end up on. Some roles are incredibly swingy to have on the Elim side, such as Minister, or Royal Family.

If these roles ended up on the Elim's side and no strong power on the Village side, then that would likely be thrown out. 

I'm not familiar with Jo's GMing, but in general the idea that all roles are randed and then we play the game right away is /likely/ false

[Stardust She/Her]

Hi guys!

Ensha slowly rolled a coin across his knuckles, practicing the palming technique that conmen so often used. He couldn't tell where the conversation was going- he wasn't skilled at politics like most of these other people. He was simply someone who could make the most of whatever he was given. By doing whatever he could to win. Raising a hand, he greeted the other members of the council, hiding a grin. They had no idea what he could do. Best to keep it that way.

I'll have an actual analysis later, sorry. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Stardust said:

Hi guys!

Ensha slowly rolled a coin across his knuckles, practicing the palming technique that conmen so often used. He couldn't tell where the conversation was going- he wasn't skilled at politics like most of these other people. He was simply someone who could make the most of whatever he was given. By doing whatever he could to win. Raising a hand, he greeted the other members of the council, hiding a grin. They had no idea what he could do. Best to keep it that way.

I'll have an actual analysis later, sorry. 

Hiya

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

They haven't said much, and they do seem? to be friends of sort with Myst.

Asriel is making the Myst train a thing, so no not friends.

I might read through the thread later, but my C1 reads aren't very existent.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

53 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Can we get reasoning on this?

I love poking the bear

I highly doubt he wouldn’t

My guess is four starting elims, including one mavset-im

Elims:

I volunteer myself for conversion

This is halfway a joke and halfway a plea

Awesome thanks

So there actually does seem to be a potential upside to this. The danger is that not enough people up their Loyalty this cycle cause they’re all busy taking other actions, and we open the game with group suicide

Unlikely, though

I actually agree with Wahr here

Actually I’m not sure I do

Okay here’s my stance

As much as I wanna joke-Depose Jo, I don’t think we should legitimately use this as an info-gathering method since I don’t believe the bonuses outweigh the risks

TUC does have a point about the need to get villagers out of negative loyalty, however

I highly recommend all villagers with negative loyalty simply spend their actions to increase it until it is resolved. I don’t think further incentivizing is really needed. Village wants to stop all possible Depositions. This is the way. That ought to be enough incentive, I think

The other thing is we could all see if we can agree to unanimously increase loyalty this cycle

C1 actions, to be honest, rarely do much, and if we’re ever gonna do this now is the time with the least risk

The one role I don’t think should do this is the one that cab alignment scan at neutral loyalty, I don’t remember the name but yeah keep that ability please, and maybe highguard

Gonna drop this post for now and keep catching up, be right back

 

there is such a risk to this, since we can't guarantee every player is gonna just increase their votes. idk how many elims there are, prolly around 3 - 5, but theres a good chance they have some roles that decrease loyalty too. I understand its valuable info, but losing the game C1 to mass suicide would suck.

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

23 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@Ascended Grubberfly

They haven't said much, and they do seem? to be friends of sort with Myst.

Revised list though. 

WAHR

Wahr's interaction so far has been basically unforced, is the root of it.
 - Initially an interaction with Mat, when Mat was originally directing his question at TuC.

Not just that but the implication is that Wahr is thinking about the game at a level that is good enough for me atm.
 - The response with Mint adds to this, with them agreeing that villagers shouldn't be forced to keep loyalties high. It's a post that shows they are paying attention to the things people are saying in a way I wouldn't expect at this point from the Elims (sue me if wrong) since Mint's post was all RP and they read through it to find Mint's thoughts, rather than take it as an RP post purely. 
 - Again with Mat, the response shows that he was trying to parse the game and TuC's thought process before TuC was there to respond. 

INK

What I see is Ink being incredibly comfortable in thread in a way I wouldn't expect from a new Elim. Correct me if this isn't Ink's first game or whatnot. 

I also think that their pointing out Myst's comment is a good look for them in a way, potentially seeing something similar in that post that I felt from Coco's post about trusting Myst in the last game,. 

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

WHIMSY

Whimsy is also on the lower end, but I do think that they have also shown a comfortable-ness in thread, if only RPing atm. 

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My reads have really little to do with any sort of pre-flips (bad habit, don't do it!) or connections atm. This is all based on how I have experienced players in thread before and who fits what kinda stereotype at the moment. 

So regarding Ink, this is not their first Game. Ink also played in MR76 and was Elim in that Game. So they already have elim experience.

I am generally not good at analysing people, there are a many Players this Game that are quite New, or returning which makes this even harder for me. 

Currently I will vote TUC because he is pushing the Depo Vote so much, which doesnt have to be elim behaviour, but I currently have no other strong suspect among the established Palyers and dont want to Vote Newbies D1, because I know how much that sucks.

 

Edit regarding Ink: The Elims won that Game with not one of them being exed

Edited 10 hours ago by Wahrheitswächter

[Asriel He/Him]

Spoiler

Thanks!
 

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

 

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

 

Spoiler

You make some good points, @Hoid Slayer
 

30 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I would assume he chose before, just because I had to choose before, and Myst probably did as well, but I can't be sure about that

That's concerning

I agree with all this

Kinda crazy how Illwei said she'd go light this game and proceeded to produce the longest post so far

I'm gonna say right now that I assure you Jo did not let me pick mavset-im. He gave me three options for roles, and they were all alignment-ambiguous.

You can not believe me if you want, but recall I wasn't sure of my alignment at the start of this cycle despite getting my boon 24 hours ago

Mint can you clarify what you're saying about the Parliamentarian here cause I'm confused

Woah woah woah there

I like that guy

Yeah I like this guy

Chat I think that actually makes Myst look better if anything

Okay maybe not but

I think anyone in his place would rig the odds for mavset-im, and what is a villager without honesty

Hoid legitimately considered turning down the boon for the possiblity of randing mavset-im, then remembered his standing with the gods of Chance and Fate and decided to go with the safe option

Why

Why

Me too pal

Lowkey that would be crazy to get away with

Yeah @Mat you ready to come back and explain that

I will confirm I am not vanilla

Well this is funny I was just gonna do that. Curious about your reasoning though

Oh yeah that makes sense

I agree with all this, and admit I have not been studious with the ruleset, but I don't think we should fall into the trap of disregarding loyalty entirely either

Cause the elims certainly won't, and if we just let them grind us down, they will succeed

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Yayyy I'm finally caught up I'mma post some notes I've been taking here

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Random notes:

People who have practically just RPed (please yap more)

KeyFox

KSauce

Wahr (to an extent, has also made some game related comments)

Whimsy

Grub

Asriel? Idk just saw an RP post, maybe not

Reads

Illwei - light village. I like the move on Asriel

TUC - light village. Don't know if he'd be playing this boldly as an elim, very stubborn

Wahr - used Mint's post to get into Deposition discussion, doubled down on it. 

Mint - light elim. Vibes. To be more specific, here seems to get a dose of validation from Wahr that elims crave. I also can't consistently understand her so that might be influencing me. Also didn't like that vote on Myst, especially when Myst already had (two?) votes

Myst - neutral. Could lean either way. Don't wanna kill him though, I hope he's elim and living his best life without me. I don't know what to think about him telling people to scan him, inclined to believe he at least ain't mavset-im though cause that's a risky gambit there could 100% be people here who would actually scan him for that

Ink and Embers - light light light elim for this post. Shoot I just realized those links don't work like I thought they did. Well scroll down deal with it I don't want bulky quotes. Just seems like they went for the two most obvious, easy to blame targets.

Oh yeah I'd forgotten about that

@Araris Valerian my vote isn't on you anymore but wanna weigh in on what's going on?

Oh and Archer I must say I don't think I've seen much of you either besides VCs

Aren't all actions always taken at night?

Also, what?

30 minutes ago, Archer said:

VC:

Mint (1): Myst 

Myst (30000): Asriel, Mat, Mint

Araris (1): Hoid

Asriel (1): Illwei

Illwei (1): Grub

 

Taking the generic action to increase your own loyalty is best done at Night, after Day effects have resolved eg. Tie resets your loyalty to zero. 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

You guys have been busy. I'm going to throw a poke vote on Alvron. @Alvron

[Ink and Embers Any pronouns]

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

 

INK

What I see is Ink being incredibly comfortable in thread in a way I wouldn't expect from a new Elim. Correct me if this isn't Ink's first game or whatnot. . 

 

22 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

If I remember right Ink was Elim in a previous game

This is my third SE game; I played in the AG as a Villager and in an MR as Elim before this. 

 

7 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

So regarding Ink, this is not their first Game. Ink also played in MR76 and was Elim in that Game. So they already have elim experience.

I am generally not good at analysing people, there are a many Players this Game that are quite New, or returning which makes this even harder for me. 

Currently I will vote TUC because he is pushing the Depo Vote so much, which doesnt have to be elim behaviour, but I currently have no other strong suspect among the established Palyers and dont want to Vote Newbies D1, because I know how much that sucks.

 

Edit regarding Ink: The Elims won that Game with not one of them being exed

In regards to the edit: I didn't exactly do a good job (nearly got voted out a couple of times), but this is true!

 

22 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Hi guys!

Ensha slowly rolled a coin across his knuckles, practicing the palming technique that conmen so often used. He couldn't tell where the conversation was going- he wasn't skilled at politics like most of these other people. He was simply someone who could make the most of whatever he was given. By doing whatever he could to win. Raising a hand, he greeted the other members of the council, hiding a grin. They had no idea what he could do. Best to keep it that way.

I'll have an actual analysis later, sorry. 

Hi!

[Illwei]

@Hoid Slayer

Here is the post of his response to me.

(Grumble grumble darn kids need to learn to use ctrl f)

Also I mean the action of assuming one person's alignment to then decide someone else's. Like how in the last game I suspected TuC mainly for the pm slip from coder. It relied on coder being an elim to start the case on tuc in full. 

[Archer he/him]

VC:

Mint (2): Myst, Hoid

Myst (30000000): Asriel, Mat, Mint

Alvron (1): Hopper

Asriel (1): Illwei

Illwei (1): Grub

TUC (1): Wahr

 

My vote counts are completely accurate. It's crazy to think otherwise. 

[Asriel He/Him]

Hoid has made some excellent points in Myst's favor, so I'm changing my vote.

Unless someone can give me an actually viable elim candidate, I'm going for coco.pudding/Essyn. Her character is a ghostblood and is thus automatically suspicious.