LG113: Day 1: Freedom of Speech

[Illwei]

16 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Sounds like Illwei circa now tbh

Nah, saying "I didnt give a reason" is something old illwei woulda done before her fun was beaten out of her in MU. Then she found new fun by evolving and giving reasons when she states things so people stop asking her silly questions over and over again!

[Illwei]

31 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

I think the roles more or less balance out, maybe slightly in the villagers favor maybe just straight even, but every villager can change their own loyalty. This means we win on action economy imo

Can you talk to me about what roles you think favor the village in terms of loyalty? And how they outweigh the possibility of the elims having a banker? Or Minister? Or royal family? 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

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@Jo and the Bush if you are silenced by the royal family does this mean you still vote in the deposition or no?

Oh. Hmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

I think it would be pretty Alethi of the Royals to not allow detainees to depose them. So Yes, Detained players will still automatically vote in Depositions.

[Illwei]

5 hours ago, Illwei said:

 

WAHR

Wahr's interaction so far has been basically unforced, is the root of it.
 - Initially an interaction with Mat, when Mat was originally directing his question at TuC.

Not just that but the implication is that Wahr is thinking about the game at a level that is good enough for me atm.
 - The response with Mint adds to this, with them agreeing that villagers shouldn't be forced to keep loyalties high. It's a post that shows they are paying attention to the things people are saying in a way I wouldn't expect at this point from the Elims (sue me if wrong) since Mint's post was all RP and they read through it to find Mint's thoughts, rather than take it as an RP post purely. 
 - Again with Mat, the response shows that he was trying to parse the game and TuC's thought process before TuC was there to respond. 

INK

What I see is Ink being incredibly comfortable in thread in a way I wouldn't expect from a new Elim. Correct me if this isn't Ink's first game or whatnot. 

I also think that their pointing out Myst's comment is a good look for them in a way, potentially seeing something similar in that post that I felt from Coco's post about trusting Myst in the last game. 

Addendum: I do think that his content has been lackluster, but his attitude is good. 

ASRIEL

Mostly this is just their response to me. I think this was calm and collected in a way that doesn't seem like a new Elim who was getting voted. 

WHIMSY

Whimsy is also on the lower end, but I do think that they have also shown a comfortable-ness in thread, if only RPing atm.

From before. @Mat

Archer....is on there yes. 

As for Hoid I think his current pace and content feels pretty in particular with what was going on last game. Wouldn't kill him. Gonna go through again but the responses to everyone means that hes either making it clear that he is unaligned with everyone, or its going to make it easier to pin down teammates should we decide he is an Elim. 

For TUC I think that specifically his determination to see the deposition (i kept thinking deposal and got stuck) through is a point in his favor. I remember him being more passive before and not taking it on to make arguments. Could be reading it wrong but wouldnt kill today.

EDIT:

THANK goodness joe posted this was almost an embarassing triple post. Awkward for me when I just get off work for everyone to disappear.....

Edited 10 hours ago by Illwei

[The Unknown Character he/him]

50 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Can you talk to me about what roles you think favor the village in terms of loyalty? And how they outweigh the possibility of the elims having a banker? Or Minister? Or royal family? 

That was an overview without thinking too hard about it tbh. After looking into it more, it looks worse than I thought, but still fine if people actually utilize the generic action. I think the Rebsk, Bonded, and Smuggler (once not in the negatives) will maintain themselves just using their actions. A banker can be to our advantage as well. The other roles will be able to raise loyalties quickly when they hit negative, which they would likely have to do for the elims to win.

[|TJ| he/him]

As there are conversion elements to the game, I feel obliged to inform everyone the following as there are bound to be some strong opinions - 

Please play to our CURRENT win-condition. What this means is to avoid playing for a future conversion and to avoid scheming with the opposition in the hopes of a conversion. Remember that you have an obligation to your team. 

At the same time - please do not make definitive statements that could hinder someone's plans and playstyles. 

Statements like preemptively saying "if someone does X action, I will see them as Y alignment" or "we need to kill whoever does Z action" or "everyone needs to do W action" can come across as very limiting to players. Player feel forced to take certain paths which never feels good, and it can appear as 'mayoring'. Please avoid doing so. 

Back to the game!

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

From before. @Mat

Thanks. Now you did everyone but me!

I don't think comfortableness = villageryness (especially in regards to the people just RPing) but it's C1 so like that's fine

[Illwei]

Just now, Mat said:

Thanks. Now you did everyone but me!

I don't think comfortableness = villageryness (especially in regards to the people just RPing) but it's C1 so like that's fine

It definitely isnt definitive, but when pushed on or around, or theres a discussion going on that didnt involve them and they choose to pipe up, it shows a comfortableness and investment that isnt often seem from Elims, especially not newer ones. 

Theres always going to be exceptions, but yeah, generalities on d1. 

[Mystfall He/Him]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

That was an overview without thinking too hard about it tbh. After looking into it more, it looks worse than I thought, but still fine if people actually utilize the generic action. I think the Rebsk, Bonded, and Smuggler (once not in the negatives) will maintain themselves just using their actions. A banker can be to our advantage as well. The other roles will be able to raise loyalties quickly when they hit negative, which they would likely have to do for the elims to win.

I don’t think you know what the smuggler does… unless I’m misunderstanding something?

At positive loyalty, a smuggler is a soother for loyalty basically-they bring their targets loyalty down-in addition to being a redirect.

A smuggler themselves probably won’t have a problem staying at high loyalty, but their targets may not. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

11 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

As there are conversion elements to the game, I feel obliged to inform everyone the following as there are bound to be some strong opinions - 

Please play to our CURRENT win-condition. What this means is to avoid playing for a future conversion and to avoid scheming with the opposition in the hopes of a conversion. Remember that you have an obligation to your team. 

At the same time - please do not make definitive statements that could hinder someone's plans and playstyles. 

Statements like preemptively saying "if someone does X action, I will see them as Y alignment" or "we need to kill whoever does Z action" or "everyone needs to do W action" can come across as very limiting to players. Player feel forced to take certain paths which never feels good, and it can appear as 'mayoring'. Please avoid doing so. 

Back to the game!

GOATed IM

I will be clear my hopes of getting Converted in no way mean that I won’t try to win as village

Elims, miss out on me at your own loss

[Mystfall He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

GOATed IM

I will be clear my hopes of getting Converted in no way mean that I won’t try to win as village

Elims, miss out on me at your own loss

Real.

Where was he during Araris’s house game?

[The Unknown Character he/him]

7 minutes ago, Mystfall said:

I don’t think you know what the smuggler does… unless I’m misunderstanding something?

At positive loyalty, a smuggler is a soother for loyalty basically-they bring their targets loyalty down-in addition to being a redirect.

A smuggler themselves probably won’t have a problem staying at high loyalty, but their targets may not. 

You're confusing the Smuggler with the Rebsk I think

Smuggler is a redirect

[Mystfall He/Him]

Just now, The Unknown Character said:

You're confusing the Smuggler with the Rebsk I think

Smuggler is a redirect

Smuggler is both a redirect and loyalty manip

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Smuggler: Sometimes, you feel like the tariffs and the laws are just in the way. Luckily, those are optional for people like you.

During the Night Turn, you may target a player to alter how actions affect them.

• While you have Positive Loyalty, all actions targeting them instead target you. For every action redirected this way, your target’s Loyalty decreases by 1.
• While you have Negative Loyalty, all actions targeting you instead target them. For every action redirected this way, your target’s Loyalty increases by 1.
• While you have Neutral Loyalty, all actions targeting them target you, and all actions targeting you target them. If more players originally targeted your target than you, your Loyalty decreases by 1. Otherwise, increase your Loyalty by 1.
• Players will know who they targeted.

 

[The Unknown Character he/him]

Wait I was thinking you meant soother for loyalty as in vote soother at the cost of loyalty, I understand you now

I know how the Smuggler works. I'm just saying they can pretty much always increase their loyalty when they hit neutral

[Mystfall He/Him]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Wait I was thinking you meant soother for loyalty as in vote soother at the cost of loyalty, I understand you now

I know how the Smuggler works. I'm just saying they can pretty much always increase their loyalty when they hit neutral

Oh okay, we both misunderstood then

yeah I went with soother instead of rioter because the soother took the vote away and I was trying to say that Smuggler took loyalty away 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Dang y’all really stop yapping without me

[Mint11 she/her]

7 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Mint can you clarify what you're saying about the Parliamentarian here cause I'm confused

TUC mentioned that being negative loyalty would only be useful for a parliamentarian, potentially, so I was saying that even if that's the only role where neg loyalty can help, its enough reason not to ding players if they show up as negative royalty in the vote.

 

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Mint - light elim. Vibes. To be more specific, here seems to get a dose of validation from Wahr that elims crave. I also can't consistently understand her so that might be influencing me.

Chise was pleased despite herself. She could hardly makes heads or tails of the chaos, but at least she was, similarly, elusive. A lifetime of practice served well. <- not a chise only opinion, if I am confused, I am glad to also be confusing  you can generally assume chise's opinions are my own minus the snark

Tshanin's (Hoid) accusation was unwarranted, but she didn't believe it to be a sign of treacherous intent. Councilor Number 6 (Illwei), too, seemed to be on their side. She had never known either of them to harbor ill intents, so perhaps she didn't have a good idea of what that looked like. Nonetheless, Chise wouldn't point any fingers of accusation towards them for now.

 

6 hours ago, Mystfall said:

I think 5 Elims no conversion 

wait you're doubling down on this?

Chise had no clue whether Fickle's insistence was a sign of Odium's malice or innocent madness. Would a traitor stick so hard to a position that caused them to look suspicious? Or was this a traitor who was audacious enough to stick to their story, afraid of looking inconsistent?

"Very well, Fickle (Myst). I do not agree with you, but for now, I shall give you my trust. Do not waste it."

and now because jo doesn't do vote retractions, I'm going to have to find someone else to vote on...

Shemyn (TwinStorm) had made a number of casual comments, but nothing too risky, almost as if he was trying to hide in plain sight.

 

6 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

Edit: I know this is kinda asking a lot, but those of you who are roleplay only, could you somehow demarcate Roleplay only posts from posts in character? This is purely a personal request so feel free not to, but I very well might not notice in character analysis otherwise 

I can do RP-only posts in a different color if that helps. Likely I won't have any though.

 

4 hours ago, Illwei said:

I asked, they are allowed. He said he would regret it. but that they are allowed. 

Don't forget he asked people to ping him in PMs rather than thread. 

wait fr?  someone add me to a group PM. pretty please, I know some of you guys suspect me, but I promise I won't backstab you

 

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Dang y’all really stop yapping without me

Chise sighed. While she didn't suspect Tshanin, she did find him hypocritcal at times.

 

Good Lord, how do people play whole games in RP

also if Chise is being too snippy, please let me know. she's giving off some real cranky old lady vibes

[Archer he/him]

VC up to the end of page 5 (3:30 July 23 Eastern) - includes missing vote by Whimsy:

Mint (4): Myst, Hoid, TUC, Whimsy
Myst (2): Mat, Mint
Alvron (1): Hopper
Asriel (1): Illwei
Illwei (1): Grub
TUC (1): Wahr
Coco (1): Asriel

 

Current VC:

Mint (3): Myst, Hoid, TUC
Myst (1): Mint
TwinStorm (1): Mint
Alvron (1): Hopper
Asriel (1): Illwei
Illwei (1): Grub
TUC (2): Wahr, Whimsy
Coco (1): Asriel
Ink (1): Mat

Please bold your votes so they aren't missed. Our illustrious GM would never make such mistakes, but your amateur notetaker might 

Edited 7 hours ago by Archer
edited Mint's vote

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

Gah, I’m really bad at this…

@Mat my Illwei vote was a poke, but I was basically ignored…

uh time for me to catch up on RP now: @Hoid Slayer @Wahrheitswächter

Dvalk shook his head. “I know that siding with Odium feels wrong. But is fighting him the best decision? I’ve spent the last year dealing with the quiet economic collapse of our nation due to the loss of labor and navy when the Everstorm first came. It’s been chaos! Starvation, home and job loss, it’s been impossible to run this country, and the Coalition has been no help either. The storming Blackthorn has been focused on war and only war! He is not cut out for leading nations.”

[Mint11 she/her]

I know top votes rn are me and TUC, but I really don't think TUC is elim. at least, an e!TUC this gutsy is unlikely enough that we shouldn't kill him C1

also don't vote for me either. for obvious reasons

[Mystfall He/Him]

47 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

"Very well, Fickle (Myst). I do not agree with you, but for now, I shall give you my trust. Do not waste it."

Mint, if I wasn’t already voting for you, this would make me do it. Why did you choose that green???

@Cuendillar can confirm, I have voted him for a similar reason 

edit 1: I may have gotten him exed for it actually…. I’ll go check 

edit 2: It seems I did get him exed C1 for using the wrong shade of red….. uhhhh…

I didn’t know I was that vengeful over color shades

edit 3: sorry Qian… even though this is like 4 games later or something 

please don’t use your co-GM powers for revenge 

edit 4: Not sure what this means for me… I’m 90% sure I don’t have OCD…

Edited 6 hours ago by Mystfall

[Mat he/him]

I’m pretty sure the TUC train is 2 villagers on a villager actually. Did more people have a vote on him earlier?

[coco.pudding she/they]

Hm. Let’s make things a little more interesting.

TUC

[The Unknown Character he/him]

26 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Hm. Let’s make things a little more interesting.

TUC

Could we not actually?

Let's just let things stay boring

[Mystfall He/Him]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Could we not actually?

Let's just let things stay boring

Agreed

I think literally everyone agrees TUC is village. May not be a fan of his choices, but he’s still village