Long Game 110? [Sign Ups]: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

oh yep that's right there in the game timeline, loop 1 needs to end with 7/4 for the minions to win

...wait what

we didn't end with 7/4 though we ended with 9/4

what exactly is the loop 1 parity cutoff, because it's not 2.5 like the other loops is it, and I'm not seeing a different number anywhere in the rules for 16 players

Is loop 1 actually different from the other loops or is 2.5 the parity condition on all of them?

2.5 is accurate, you might be looking at something deprecated, please link

Oh no, the 7/4 assumed elims use each kill (11 living players vs 13 living players). 9/4 is not enough to beat the 10 check for 4

Edited March 1 by Amanuensis

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

So it is just 2.5 always. The different parity numbers for different loops confused me, but I guess Aman was just assuming the loops would have the max number of deaths, and loop 1 doesn't have a day one execution. Guess he didn't expect we would diverge from that plan so much lol.

Speaking of which, that kinda means it's in our interest not to execute 3 times per loop, right? I mean, 2 chances to get 1 hit is just plain better than 3 chances to get 2 hits.

 

...okay but regardless, they didn't have to do the kill on Night 2. They could've waited and picked the best person to clear after Night 3.

So they were probably still hedging by killing on Night 2. But I guess it wasn't as costly for them to hedge, since they apparently needed to get at least 1 kill anyway.

Alright well the elim strategy makes sense assuming all of this is right. Somebody thought this through.

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

So it is just 2.5 always. The different parity numbers for different loops confused me, but I guess Aman was just assuming the loops would have the max number of deaths, and loop 1 doesn't have a day one execution. Guess he didn't expect we would diverge from that plan so much lol.

Speaking of which, that kinda means it's in our interest not to execute 3 times per loop, right? I mean, 2 chances to get 1 hit is just plain better than 3 chances to get 2 hits.

 

...okay but regardless, they didn't have to do the kill on Night 2. They could've waited and picked the best person to clear after Night 3.

So they were probably still hedging by killing on Night 2. But I guess it wasn't as costly for them to hedge, since they apparently needed to get at least 1 kill anyway.

Alright well the elim strategy makes sense assuming all of this is right. Somebody thought this through.

We asked, we have to vote each loop

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Speaking of which, that kinda means it's in our interest not to execute 3 times per loop, right? I mean, 2 chances to get 1 hit is just plain better than 3 chances to get 2 hits.

Nah the elims can choose not to NK but we always have to exe someone, and even if nobody voted the person with the lowest rupees would get exed anyway. 
 

Edit: oops gotta love getting ninjad 

Edited March 1 by coco.pudding

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Guess he didn't expect we would diverge from that plan so much lol.

More that I was lazy / didn't want to reformat the schedule or overload it with a bunch of numbers. Changing the colors of text in every excel cell because they don't copy/paste drove me crazy after a while

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

oh well thanks everyone

it seems I have retreaded what was probably some previous days discussion but at least I'm more up to speed now so I appreciate it

[Myst He/Him]

14 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Guess he didn't expect we would diverge from that plan so much lol.

Now that you’re up to speed I can interrogate you. Elim mess-up? Referring to the Elims not NK-ing N1A and N3A with a “we”?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

6 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Generally I don’t want to argue against myself, but your are forgetting all the future games I’ll be Elim in. If I can get yall to accept that how I Elim is also how I play normally, then it’s good for those games. Play with future games in mind.

Then it always comes down to my logic and reads and whether yall are convinced, and I can do that

I really did not like this post or the other stuff Mist has said vibe wise, but it also sounds very similar to when I was starting SE so it's probably self-cringe

3 hours ago, Archer said:

I put in for PM and Donger, so it's your fault actually  I couldn't have gone for the big ones D1 even if I'd known to do it; I was at 18. You can't spend money you earn that round, far as I know. 

Burnt, what I really like about Doc is their PM choices. Choosing to PM all their suspects makes a lot of sense. 

My TUM vote was partially out of principle for asking to be exed. I know it's usually villager behaviour, but I like to discourage it. 

You being a prolific question mark at this stage isn't a great look, so my votes stays unless you want to sell me on someone else!

You voted the person who asked to get exed out of principle, therefore ensuring they would get what they want

2 hours ago, Archer said:

You can only win one mask, but you can bid on as many as you have rupees to buy. So if you have 10, you can bid on two worth 5 each. Fierce Diety is impossible to obtain until Loop 5, if I remember the D1 discussion correctly. 

I believe FD is unobtainable as no one has had perfect play? Idk 

2 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Fair enough, lets see who i can sell you on then. I'm not particularly good at selling things, i tend to end up the one being sold things i didnt need, so anyways.

The vote counts:

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First Exe:

• (5) Wahrheit: Araris, Mistfallen, coco, TJ, Divergent (last hour vote - already clearly a train happening),
• (2) Hoid Slayer: Archer (Last minute Vote), Doc12 (Last minute Vote), 
• (2) Archer: Wonko, Hoid Slayer, 
• (2) Mistfallen: Wahrheit, TUM, 
• (1) Coder: Stick, 

Second Exe:

• (3) TUM: Archer, Mistfallen, coco, 
• (3) Haelbarde: Divergent, Stick, Hoid Slayer (last minute vote), 
• (1) Doc: Wonko, 
• (1) coco: Araris, 
• (1) Divergent: TJ,
• (1) TJ: Doc (Last minute vote),

 @Doc12 Why you keep last minute voting? You don't seem sus to me, as in a way, the fact that both times you went for not the current exe target, so potentially not voting on a villager is good, but also, why so late? Theres not much chance to redirect a exe with those so kinda feels a little for the sake of it to me

@Divergent your voting also concerns me a little tbh. The first exe that could easily be an elim jumping on a train they know will be village but is the general opinion, (mind you, i'm not looking back at peoples reasoning atm, literally just the votes), and the second one, idk,  Hael is an uncertain, it could be an elim voting on elim situation. but hm. Maybe not so much. If hael was evil idk that you'd have been the first to go for them there. honestly idk actually, maybe you're fine. Putting it in the category of watching but dont really know tbh.

we dont have anything to go off with ash being villager, they not in that list at all.

Coco and mistfallen were in both village exe's. They should reevalute their suspicions and recalibrate that cause thats not a great streak.

As i said, i really don't like that Tum was exe'd. Yes they'd been on a lot of peoples watch list, but them asking to die to get money back was really weird to me, but not in a suspicious way. I really don't see an elim having done that when they seemed to be wanting to win the loop with their lack of N1 kill. If we were killing to grant rupees back then someone like mistfallen shouldve been exed- yknow, someone who had been actively using them productively. Tum didn't have many rupees apparently, and the only mask left unclaimed is the bunny, but thats not helpful if you aren't generating the post income, and they didn't spend on pms, so any poverty was from their lack of action in previous cycles. Tum, no offense to you, but you feel like someone the elims would be happy to have in the trust pool compared to the more active Archer, mistfallen, wonko. I know we wanted an elim dead, but i feel like they let us choose between people who would be less problematic to have hard trusted ngl. So for that reason, wonko, araris, TJ, i'm feeling good about, Archer mistfallen and coco I am not feeling good about.

We didn't kill mistfallen last loop although his name floated around. But the mask of scents sounding thread comments definitely discouraged any desire to kill them off for me. When we don't have any info, thats helpful information for us to gain. However thats also a good mask to ensure village doesn't get. That being said with only mist and wonko able to get it, im not sure how much elims would try and stop just one player potentially getting it, though it is a good way to gain trust early game. Ngl they are absolutely a player i'd want tested for exe. 

Coco. What is coco up to. They've not registered to me at all ngl. They're active and present in the exe's but really not on my radar, which concerns me that i simply don't remember what they've done at all. lemme go back through their stuff

Tbh, I agree with your whole paragraph about me, though I'm hoping to turn my activity around

The amount of people on Mist worries me

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

The amount of people on Mist worries me

Agreed, even assuming I’m Elim. We pretty much all agreed that Wahr had Elim support, we’re in the same scenario here, with 5 votes on me. Given that 2 of them are hard cleared, it’s pretty much ensured that one of Stick, Wonko and Burnt are Elim. Stick didn’t give reasons, but Burnt joined a pretty large train. Out of those two I’m leaning Stick

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Alright well my gut at this point says it's tentatively okay with killing Mistfallen for whatever that's worth.

(Sorry Mistfallen )

 

My kill-hedging theory is looking a little like a dead-end now unfortunately, and I'm not sure I like how Mistfallen handed me Wonko and Burnt so quickly. I guess self-preservation is understandable given his current position in the vote. But like idk it just feels weird to hand me that ammunintion without actually weighing in on whether you think my theorycrafting up to that point actually made sense. Coco's response was more in line with what I'd expect from a villager idk.

8 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Now that you’re up to speed I can interrogate you. Elim mess-up? Referring to the Elims not NK-ing N1A and N3A with a “we”?

wrong on both counts, actually 

I'm village and I left that line in on-purpose

yes yes very slip much evil but I mean we the players went off the rails and I stand by it

I was, after all, suggesting the village take things even further off the rails right after that

although wouldn't it be funny if me and Stick were actually evil teammates

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Alright well my gut at this point says it's tentatively okay with killing Mistfallen for whatever that's worth.

(Sorry Mistfallen )

 

My kill-hedging theory is looking a little like a dead-end now unfortunately, and I'm not sure I like how Mistfallen handed me Wonko and Burnt so quickly. I guess self-preservation is understandable given his current position in the vote. But like idk it just feels weird to hand me that ammunintion without actually weighing in on whether you think my theorycrafting up to that point actually made sense. Coco's response was more in line with what I'd expect from a villager idk.

wrong on both counts, actually 

I'm village and I left that line in on-purpose

yes yes very slip much evil but I mean we the players went off the rails and I stand by it

I was, after all, suggesting the village take things even further off the rails right after that

although wouldn't it be funny if me and Stick were actually evil teammates

It’s alright, I’m already planning around it

it means I get to geek out about loop 1 until I know who’s the captain. Once I know that I can talk about loop 2. Even if no one trusts me, someone should get captain and claim it(at least to the dead doc) then I can actually talk about loop 2, otherwise I’ll have to assume that they’re Elim(worst case scenario)

and if you don’t trust me, still claim it, that way the people who you think aren’t Elim can talk about loop 2

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

8 hours ago, Doc12 said:

PMs as requested

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D2

Burnt - Hael, Wonko, Araris, Coco, Doc

Me - Wonko, Archer, Dive, Burnt, Coco

N2

Mistfallen - Doc, Archer

D3

Me - Hael, TJ, Mist, Araris, Stick

Mistfallen - Doc

Burnt - Mistfallen

Archer - Wonko, Wonko, Stick, Stick, Hoid 

N3

Burnt - Stick

Excellent. Now, the nice thing about this list is that, until very recently, I don't think any of us assumed you could deliver it. The rules and clarifications up to this point did not indicate that the Postman learned the senders and recipients of all messages. So, barring the possibility that you're an elim and either warned your teammates or fudged the above list, we can assume that no messages were sent between e/e pairs, because it would be a meaningless waste of Rupees. That's pretty useful.

8 hours ago, Doc12 said:

@Wonko the Sane Stick shared Archer's PMs - I assume you got the same 2 she got? One where he pretended to be postmaster and another random one? 

Now that's... weird. I only got one message from Archer, the one containing the word scramble. Are you sure I should have received two?

(Which, @Archer, I actually interpreted a third way you didn't intend: "YOU OWE DIN", as in the goddess. I could not figure out what you meant by that. XD)

 

6 hours ago, Archer said:

It's alignment indicative. I'll show you the math momentarily. 

Fine. I'll tentatively trust. I got the Bunny Hood. I didn't get anything off it for C1, though, because it apparently only counts Rupees earned AFTER you buy it; and obviously I didn't maximize posting C3.

 

6 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Wonko, very much agreed that Mist is being erratic. Still, this seems too easy? Aside from Araris' vote everyone has voted on Mistfallen so far. 

Yeah... I'm worried about that too. He's sat on the chopping block for half the day and absolutely no one has tried to defend him. It makes me worried that I'm misreading something.

6 hours ago, Doc12 said:

I'm interested in starting a vote on either Archer or Wonko. From my notes on last loop, Archer has been more pushy with asks and claims and PM shenanigans. Wonko, to me, has felt more passive after D1. @Wonko the Sane what were things Mist did that felt off last loop? 

Wonko has BEEN more passive since D1. I apologize, I haven't been as active on reading as I should be, which has left me far less certain of the lay of the land. I'm trying to commit to keeping up better going forward.

In particular, I don't like the way that across D3A, he reiterated a several different times that he was confident that either Wahr, Ash, or both was an elim. It read to me like someone who wanted to make sure in case the Loop results turned up as a Village win, that our attention was diverted from the D3A exe victim.

6 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Currently, to shake things up, I'll place a vote on Wonko. Interested in hearing their further analysis and thoughts on Mist and what they think the current strategy should be.  

To be honest, I'm just glad to see SOMEONE making the exe into an actual conversation. I am super concerned by how little interest there's been in anyone voting besides following me on Mist.

 

5 hours ago, Archer said:

L1D1, only Wonko and Mistfallen accumulated 10 extra rupees. (By the end of L1N1 Burnt, Divergent, maybe Coco, maybe Hael got to 10). [Discounting Wahr, TUO, and Ashbringer. Excluding confirmed Postman Doc.]

Mistfallen has claimed the red Mask of Scents. Wonko likely got an unidentified red mask. Likely no one bought the Captain’s Hat, hence the silence. 

Of the blue masks, Coco claimed Bremen. Divergent claimed Don Gero. Doc had Postman’s Hat. The Bunny Hood is unclaimed. 

The elims could increase their odds of getting specific masks by stacking their votes and/or aiming for unpopular masks. Bremen and Don Gero would be their priorities, so giving themselves 40%/40%/0%/0% odds makes more sense than 20%/20%/20%/20%. Villager inactivity/incompetence likely increased their odds, but even if they had a 50% shot at two specific masks, they likely only got one. Odds of getting two were about 25%. 

So we can predict that there is, at most, one elim among Doc, Coco, Divergent, and Bunny-wearer. 50% of the time, they get no mask, so I’m inclined to leave this group alone. 

Likely three elims among: 
Araris
TJ
Honor’s Ghost/Stick 
Wonko
Burnt
Coder/Drake
Hoid Slayer
Mistfallen
Hael
(me)

(My exe order is: Burnt, TJ, Stick, Araris, HS, Drake, Wonko, Hael, Mistfallen.)

Edit: Reread my notes. HG had something I found villagery, so I'd move Stick closer to the trust side. 

Ah, tragic. Sorry to ruin your numbers.

 

4 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

You seem to keep changing your mind about me Archer

Well, as Doc said. "I never trust Burnt". Of all people who I've ever played this game with, you are easily the one who most screams "don't trust me" every time I see you (regardless of your alignment). Personally, I still flinch at the memory of LG18 like a dog that's been kicked. 

 

1 hour ago, DrakeMarshall said:

It's weird that the elims killed someone on Night 2A. Presumably if they were committed to the no-free-clears strategy, they would have no good reason to kill on 2A.

There's something to be said for using the kill to silence opposition and control the vote, sure, but Ashbringer didn't vote on Day 2A. Not the obvious pick if it's just about controlling the vote.

If anyone else has theories I'm all ears but for now I'll just say it's weird and move on.

Due to the way the ratios worked, the elims needed to kill at least one villager; they needed 3 or more dead villagers to win the Loop. Given that, N2A was the optimal time to submit that kill, as it gave them flexibility to respond to the D3A exe, just in case.

1 hour ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Ok I'm skimming over the first loop. Well mostly Day 2 since that was when everyone reacted to there being no kill.

Apparently everyone thought it was optimal for the elims to lose the first loop on purpose before it went this way?

Honestly I tend to agree with the elims on this one lol. An elim win with as few clears as possible seems ideal for them. And is it really that hard to pull off, considering we only had 2 votes last loop?

Even if it wasn't, idk it wouldn't entirely sit right to throw things on purpose. Easy to say that's "optimal" from the outside but would you actually want to do that if you were an elim. Maybe some people would idk. In the very least I don't think TJ would be about that life though.

Plus there's also just the sheer bloody-mindedness factor. I think most elims would rather defy village expectations for what they Should Do just on sheer principle 

It was not hard to pull off, but it carried great risk. L1 is the ONLY time in this entire game that we had the chance to hard-clear players. Choosing to win that round does give them tempo, but puts them at a disadvantage for the rest of the round. If you've ever played Resistance, it's equivalent to putting in a fail card for the first mission in a 5-player game: it's an extremely risky move because it leaves the village with a huge amount of information.

I agree on the bloody-mindedness, though. I interpret the decision to skip the NK as a pivot in response to my mech analysis D1A.

54 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

oh well thanks everyone

it seems I have retreaded what was probably some previous days discussion but at least I'm more up to speed now so I appreciate it

Honestly, given how central these points were to the discussion? It speaks well in your favor that you need them explained, as they've undoubtedly been highlighted in the elim doc. You're either giving a pretty good performance, or you're a villager.

 

Gah. I REALLY don't like how little competition there's been for the exe. The only plausible explanations to me are that Mistfallen really is innocent, or he's being deliberately bussed by his teammates as they don't see a way to save him. Either way:

Mistfallen
Stick

I reserve the right to move my vote back if I see what looks like an elim response to this, though.

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4 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

 "Hello there!" Thistles voice snapped her out of her thoughts "Happy Hero's Carnival! My friend Zymni really wanted to meet you!"

Cindra blinked. And then blinked again. And suddenly her cheeks were wet. "Thistle! You found them? You're... your okay!" She pulled Thistle into a tight hug, then realised she felt insane and quickly backed off "im sorry... I had this awful dream... I dont know what came over me" she tried to laugh it off. She hesitated again. "Happy to help with anything you need, what was it that you were after? Oh! Also, id been meaning to find you too actually. Id wanted to make some flowers crowns for the performance. Can I come around tomorrow to prepare those?" Tomorrow... no. She had this strong urge to do it today, to do it immediately but that didnt make sense. They should be kept fresh.

A portion of Thistle's shadow shifted oddly, moving independently of the light that cast it. It reached over and tugged at Cindra's leg, pulling with almost imperceptible force over to a nearby darkened alcove.

Zymni groaned, inaudible to everyone but Thistle. Why did this Realm have to have that accursed ball of Light in the sky? She had urgent questions, and the pair were exchanging pleasantries!

She threw a rude gesture invisibly at the sky, then did her best to tug harder.

Edited March 1 by Wonko the Sane

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I like what Wonko’s cooking.

Wonko and Coco are probably good, in addition to the 3 cleared people.

[Archer he/him]

Don't love that Burnt's vote was just reenforcing the main train, rather than an original selection. Whatever happened to spreading votes around to get some mixed pressure during the day? 

I'm convinced Mistfallen is village. Most of it is mindmeld based. 

One thing I'll throw out there is their D2 PM to me (which contained the phrase "oi mate, gonna make this quick ya, don't wanna go over the word count" then was 250 words long) set me up as their handler. It was a classic I trust you, here's what my mask is, here's what I'm doing. And apparently they only sent it to me. Then also speculated on some info I'd shared in thread. I was already in their pocket, so I don't see the point of spending 3 rupees to solidify it. 

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I don't like the way that across D3A, he reiterated a several different times that he was confident that either Wahr, Ash, or both was an elim. It read to me like someone who wanted to make sure in case the Loop results turned up as a Village win, that our attention was diverted from the D3A exe victim

Counter hypothesis, he didn't know what outcome was coming and was simply trying to do prep work for the next loop. This seems convoluted.

 

Based on Wonko's question earlier, I thought they might be the person to have it. Problem is an elim teammate could have gotten it instead and told them to fake claim it to cover them having gotten a red mask. Eh. I'm reading Wonko as village so I'll toss them in my pile of blue maskers that I don't want to touch this loop. Plus they did my puzzle, so they get style points. 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

You’re selling yourself short, I would totally spend 3 rupees to keep you pocketed 

I admit it’s a weird feeling for me not to be the one playing devil’s advocate and pushing against consensus here

to be fair though I haven’t actually voted yet so maybe it’s too soon to call it

[Amanuensis he/him]

Small rule change, totally unrelated to anything going on currently...

The Bunny Hood will double rupee earnings rather than be added 2:1.

I hadn't realized how awkward the cycle-activity-earnings and turn-rupee-payouts interacted specifically with the Bunny Hood. In the prior ruling, you'd be spending 5 rupees for 10 (net +5) and that's assuming max activity going forward, rather the 15 I'd initially planned for. As such, it feels excessively weak so I've buffed it.

Edited March 1 by Amanuensis

[coco.pudding she/they]

21 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Fine. I'll tentatively trust. I got the Bunny Hood. I didn't get anything off it for C1, though, because it apparently only counts Rupees earned AFTER you buy it; and obviously I didn't maximize posting C3.

Well that’s good to know. And rather annoying. I (along with most people, I would imagine) had assumed the bonus (with full posts) was an extra 15 but it’s only 10 extra instead in that case, unless you don’t post at all during the day and do all 10 of your posts at night.

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Small rule change, totally unrelated to anything going on currently...

The Bunny Hood will double rupee earnings rather than be added 2:1.

I hadn't realized how awkward the cycle-activity-earnings and turn-rupee-payouts interacted specifically with the Bunny Hood. In the prior ruling, you'd be spending 5 rupees for 10 (net +5) and that's assuming max activity going forward, rather the 15 I'd initially planned for. As such, it feels excessively weak so I've buffed it.

Oh that’s a lot better.

Also, I agree with whatever’s going on with Mistfallen, he’s just been sitting there accruing votes this entire time and basically not doing anything about it. There’s a full 24 hours left in the day, a lot could change in that time. And nobody is talking about it either, except to add votes? This just feels weird to me.

Wonko, I did think your original vote was a little bit suspicious (since you basically came right out the gate with the first post this cycle voting on them) but I think you just explained it well. 
I do think Mistfallen is probably village, but I also understand your vote better now so I don’t feel like it’s as much a cause for concern anymore.

24 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

In particular, I don't like the way that across D3A, he reiterated a several different times that he was confident that either Wahr, Ash, or both was an elim. It read to me like someone who wanted to make sure in case the Loop results turned up as a Village win, that our attention was diverted from the D3A exe victim.

I think a lot of people were thinking and saying that, it wasn’t just Mistfallen. I think the general assumption was either Wahr was elim and they killed to widen the pool or Ash was elim and they were trying to frame Wahr so we wouldn’t look too closely at Ash. Obviously, we now know both of those scenarios are wrong, but since we didn’t before I don’t think going off that is going to be super useful.

14 minutes ago, Archer said:

Counter hypothesis, he didn't know what outcome was coming and was simply trying to do prep work for the next loop. This seems convoluted.

That was my take as well. Nobody really knew, we were all just speculating and most of it turned out to be wrong.

15 minutes ago, Archer said:

Whatever happened to spreading votes around to get some mixed pressure during the day? 

Seems like pretty much nobody is doing that today.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

you know the “nobody is defending them” line stops working so well when everyone is doing it

I think the push is fine actually if that’s the main reason we’re going off it

But you all are more in the loop than I am

[Myst He/Him]

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Also, I agree with whatever’s going on with Mistfallen, he’s just been sitting there accruing votes this entire time and basically not doing anything about it. There’s a full 24 hours left in the day, a lot could change in that time. And nobody is talking about it either, except to add votes? This just feels weird to me.

Wonko, I did think your original vote was a little bit suspicious (since you basically came right out the gate with the first post this cycle voting on them) but I think you just explained it well. 
I do think Mistfallen is probably village, but I also understand your vote better now so I don’t feel like it’s as much a cause for concern anymore.

I think a lot of people were thinking and saying that, it wasn’t just Mistfallen. I think the general assumption was either Wahr was elim and they killed to widen the pool or Ash was elim and they were trying to frame Wahr so we wouldn’t look too closely at Ash. Obviously, we now know both of those scenarios are wrong, but since we didn’t before I don’t think going off that is going to be super useful.

That was my take as well. Nobody really knew, we were all just speculating and most of it turned out to be wrong.

Seems like pretty much nobody is doing that today.

There’s not much I can do. Wahr and Ashbringer haven’t really posted since voting me. And Stick and Burnt aren’t replying, though I’ve seen them lurking, which makes me more suspicious of them. 

 

56 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

you know the “nobody is defending them” line stops working so well when everyone is doing it

I think the push is fine actually if that’s the main reason we’re going off it

But you all are more in the loop than I am

And I am actually getting some defending, thanks Archer/Coco.

but I am prepared to get voted out 

[Stick. she/her]

sorry what am I not replying to? (also I live in GMT+4 so u would not have seen me lurking in the last five hours cuz I was asleep & im not going to change my vote now cuz u just fully made that up LOL) 

 

burnt is also a fine kill i think she’s been posting a fair amount for rupees collection with relatively little in-thread presence to show for it

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if ur wondering about my vote on u (& I find it odd that u did not immediately ask, because i had been repping a v read on u all game otherwise) - it was mainly that i had a visceral reaction to ur posts during our conversation then and it felt reminiscent to how u sorta argued against v-reads on urself last game, as elim. also i wanted to force wagon build-up there to see what happens 

[Stick. she/her]

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I also don’t understand why as a villager u would keep insisting that ur ok being voted out…..we need to win all 3 loops now which means getting 2 elims in all of them, so it comes off as something ur just saying to appear villagery cuz that was the sentiment last loop. clearly it does not apply this loop and seems misplaced to me 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Honestly I’ve been reading Mistfallen’s arguments as pretty Village-centric, if just I don’t think E!Mist would take this tack.

But as aforementioned, am busy.

[Stick. she/her]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

Honestly I’ve been reading Mistfallen’s arguments as pretty Village-centric, if just I don’t think E!Mist would take this tack.

But as aforementioned, am busy.

can u elaborate 

 

& thoughts on burnt? 

[Myst He/Him]

1 hour ago, Stick. said:

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I also don’t understand why as a villager u would keep insisting that ur ok being voted out…..we need to win all 3 loops now which means getting 2 elims in all of them, so it comes off as something ur just saying to appear villagery cuz that was the sentiment last loop. clearly it does not apply this loop and seems misplaced to me 

I’ll be honest, I kinda want to be in the dead doc though, I’d have fun. That’s not related to alignment though, so it doesn’t really matter

Edit: it’s also not the end of the world, I’ll come back at the end of the loop, we’ll still have more chances to get Elims, and if we lose, there’s still more loops to go

Edited March 1 by Mistfallen Soldier

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Heroshi frowned. He felt, cramped. He stood, unsteadily in his little cubby. "Ow!" He rubbed his head, the looked at the roof, but he missed his head with his hand, and, the world swaying, fell back down. Something was wrong. Everything was wrong. 

Heroshi was... big.

~

Totally didn't think the turn was over. I had a realization that the reason the elims killed n2 was probably in case the kill got blocked. Not sure why they didn't kill n1 with that logic, but I think suboptimal play is the only option tbh

As I was saying earlier, the Mist train just feels weird. I feel like every post I read is saying how they v!read Mist or at least don't like the train, but there was barely a counterwagon and even still I'm pretty sure they're in the lead, though the last vc is a while ago and it's too late at night for me to double check (my guess is Stick is behind by two votes, but idk)

But I think it might just be weird in a way that everyone involved is just a villager tbh, like nobody pings me here as being e!motivated