Long Game 104: The Flame of Tar Valon

[STINK he/him]

Quite the chunky edit there my gu

And yes that was the Under Pressure I listen to like all the time why can't it be on Spotify why do they have to do me like this why oh why

Is it worth me joining in on when I talk about a player I throw out the <Hello> like it's set theory so my posts look more formal and logical when people skim through them going oh wow fancy formatting means he's got a point 'cause I think I've just convinced myself that's what I need to do  

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, STINK said:

And yes that was the Under Pressure I listen to like all the time why can't it be on Spotify why do they have to do me like this why oh why

Coates's edit is really good yeah. Isn't it though? I seem to find it on Spotify, just that you have to look under Oliver Coates since he did the orchestral mix for this.

2 minutes ago, STINK said:

Is it worth me joining in on when I talk about a player I throw out the <Hello> like it's set theory so my posts look more formal and logical when people skim through them going oh wow fancy formatting means he's got a point 'cause I think I've just convinced myself that's what I need to do  

Use formal logic even, what could go wrong  #nooneask2015Kasthis

@|TJ| bhai, how're you feeling

Oh, alright, how're you coping with the pressure STINK

[STINK he/him]

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

Coates's edit is really good yeah. Isn't it though? I seem to find it on Spotify, just that you have to look under Oliver Coates since he did the orchestral mix for this.

Regional Spotify at play there for sure, ain't no legal version on UK Spotify sadly

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

Oh, alright, how're you coping with the pressure STINK

Doing pretty good actually went for a nice walk earlier today in the sun listening to some good music just enjoying life y'know how bout you man?

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, STINK said:

Doing pretty good actually went for a nice walk earlier today in the sun listening to some good music just enjoying life y'know how bout you man?

Kinda chill, kinda tired, tuning in to some wrasslin content because my cousin is a troll and TJ and I apparently followed the same stuff as kids. Mostly trying to clean my brain out after a rough day at work.

Probably should get back into game brain but thread is slow rn and I feel like I'm not being productive at this point.

[STINK he/him]

15 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

but thread is slow rn

Didn't know we had so many Americans that like to sleep in either

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, STINK said:

Didn't know we had so many Americans that like to sleep in either

I mean, I guess it could be indicative there's something wrong with the current trains, which would be Hopper in the lead. But I don't really feel like voting Aet despite also not liking Aet's D1 votes.

Oh, yeah and I just got N0ed in another game, which is fair, but the GM's disappointed because I was a neutral matchmaker and was planning to claim D1 by announcing I was working on my new podcast called the Botchelor in which I ship people in bad/crack pairings and they should subscribe (DM me) for the worst love advice ever

[|TJ| he/him]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

@|TJ| bhai, how're you feeling

slowly and very gradually getting better >>

[Aeternum]

TwinStorm

Worth looking at Mark and ThatOneWorldhopper rn imo. Don't think TwinStorm/ThatOneWorldhopper are e/e, but don't like either of them.

@A Jo in the Bush n1 you shared a spreadsheet that I assume you were in the process of working on - has this gone anywhere?

[Kasimir he/him]

13 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

TwinStorm

Worth looking at Mark and ThatOneWorldhopper rn imo. Don't think TwinStorm/ThatOneWorldhopper are e/e, but don't like either of them.

@A Jo in the Bush n1 you shared a spreadsheet that I assume you were in the process of working on - has this gone anywhere?

What's your take on TUF right now?

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

20 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

TwinStorm

Worth looking at Mark and ThatOneWorldhopper rn imo. Don't think TwinStorm/ThatOneWorldhopper are e/e, but don't like either of them.

@A Jo in the Bush n1 you shared a spreadsheet that I assume you were in the process of working on - has this gone anywhere?

My problem is that if TwinStorm is evil then why was TUF elected? Cuz then Polly and TwinStorm could have chosen to not elect him. So I'm still trying to figure that out. And I do agree, especially with ToW's comments in our doc being really weird though I've been charitable and trying to help them since it is their first game.

Anyways ThatOneWorldhopper

[Kasimir he/him]

6 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

And I do agree, especially with ToW's comments in our doc being really weird though I've been charitable and trying to help them since it is their first game.

Anyways ThatOneWorldhopper

"I'm trying to help them"
"Anyway die"

 

[Aeternum]

13 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

What's your take on TUF right now?

Should probably die.

4 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

My problem is that if TwinStorm is evil then why was TUF elected? Cuz then Polly and TwinStorm could have chosen to not elect him. So I'm still trying to figure that out. And I do agree, especially with ToW's comments in our doc being really weird though I've been charitable and trying to help them since it is their first game.

Anyways ThatOneWorldhopper

Fair. I don't know what went on in their doc so I have no idea if (in an e/e/v world) maybe they ended up getting backed into a corner with where their votes went, or didn't have reasonable enough grounds to vote each other. Shrugs. Kill wolfy posters lol.

Will say there is a chance (which I was considering) that KelsierApologist was coached into writing the pairing theatre line that I have a lot of issue with (which... honestly I have no idea who would suggest that so I can't really worldbuild off of that), but I am going with the simple Wow Theatre take on it. Also came to mind on TwinStorm's fairly quick (iirc) vote back to ThatOneWorldhopper. Sort of depends on e!TwinStorm range I suppose - I'm just not going to overthink it rn.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

Fair. I don't know what went on in their doc so I have no idea if (in an e/e/v world) maybe they ended up getting backed into a corner with where their votes went, or didn't have reasonable enough grounds to vote each other. Shrugs. Kill wolfy posters lol.

I mean, unless we think it's a 3BA Ajah, @TwinStorm and @The Unknown Flame can probably keep each other honest in terms of spelling out what exactly went down in Brown Ajah.

I'm fine with the pressure on Mark as it stands, but not so happy with how TUF has essentially disappeared from contention and am considering if I should switch back since I'm sure as hell not catching rollover by now.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

"I'm trying to help them"
"Anyway die"

 

Hey I've tried and I feel they are evil so I'm giving them the SE welcome treatment  

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Should probably die.

Fair. I don't know what went on in their doc so I have no idea if (in an e/e/v world) maybe they ended up getting backed into a corner with where their votes went, or didn't have reasonable enough grounds to vote each other. Shrugs. Kill wolfy posters lol.

Will say there is a chance (which I was considering) that KelsierApologist was coached into writing the pairing theatre line that I have a lot of issue with (which... honestly I have no idea who would suggest that so I can't really worldbuild off of that), but I am going with the simple Wow Theatre take on it. Also came to mind on TwinStorm's fairly quick (iirc) vote back to ThatOneWorldhopper. Sort of depends on e!TwinStorm range I suppose - I'm just not going to overthink it rn.

Fair. 

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I mean, unless we think it's a 3BA Ajah, @TwinStorm and @The Unknown Flame can probably keep each other honest in terms of spelling out what exactly went down in Brown Ajah.

I'm fine with the pressure on Mark as it stands, but not so happy with how TUF has essentially disappeared from contention and am considering if I should switch back since I'm sure as hell not catching rollover by now.

Yeah, I think it's highly unlikely but I also feel some GMs would love to do it to just throw us off as we keep trying to believe it isn't a 3 BA group  

I do believe TUF is more likely to be evil over TwinStorm in that group as it makes more sense as how he got elected there. I'd be willing to switch to TUF by rollover  

[Terrisman]

If we all think TUF is evil, wouldn’t it be worth removing him? Even if Hopper is also evil, as a new player I think he’d slip up more if we remove the more experienced players. And if TUF is village, at this point I think we need to know that anyway. Right now I don’t think anyone trusts him so we learn as much by removing him no matter which way he flips

This swing towards Hopper gets me nervous. I voted for him early, more to see his reaction than anything else. I also find him somewhat sus but I think we’re better off focusing elsewhere. Too many votes, not enough reasons

[Kasimir he/him]

14 minutes ago, Terrisman said:

If we all think TUF is evil, wouldn’t it be worth removing him? Even if Hopper is also evil, as a new player I think he’d slip up more if we remove the more experienced players. And if TUF is village, at this point I think we need to know that anyway. Right now I don’t think anyone trusts him so we learn as much by removing him no matter which way he flips

Ngl I'm looking both at the slow tempo of this cycle and the complete dissipation of TUF pressure and am not really liking how it's turning out.

Ah, soddit. TUF. Jebiga then.

My vote has sat on Mark for a while. Its efficacy can be seen. I'm gonna just make the switch and call it a night.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

Hmm not liking the three way tie, ah here we go again  

ToW, TUF

VC: 

TUF (4): BridgeBoi, Kas, Terrisman, Wiz

ToW (2): TwinStorm, Illwei, 

Aet (2): Ash, TUF

Twinstorm (3): Steel, ToW, Aet

Wiz (1): Stink

Edited March 26, 2025 by The Wandering Wizard

[|TJ| he/him]

5 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

VC: 

TUF (4): BridgeBoi, Kas, Terrisman, Wiz

ToW (2): TwinStorm, Illwei, 

Aet (2): Ash, TUF

Twinstorm (3): Steel, ToW, Aet

Wiz (1): Stink

This is missing a vote on Mark by Sart, but otherwise it is correct I think 

[STINK he/him]

Tbf sometimes I defend myself by letting people talk themselves out of wasting a cycle it doesnt even require much from anyone thats the beauty of it

[Ashbringer he/him]

15 hours ago, The Unknown Flame said:

The Teldris kill is so outside of my kill meta it's insane. Like Kas said, I kill dangerous people with accurate reads. Low info kills are not really my style, especially when they usually thin the numbers of a category that contains myself. And, Teldris was a new player. Sure, I sometimes let my teammates decide the kill, mainly to hide my kill meta. But if I was letting my teammates decide, why wouldn't I steer them away from a player from a protected group? I know the tradition, and I am quite consistent in following it, even when other teammates are deciding instead of me. Why wouldn't I point them in the direction of Steel, Aet, or Ash if they were looking for a low info?

Got a somewhat-meta-ish question.

Do you think an E!You, who decided to do a random kill and had the rand land on Teldris, would follow through with the rand or do a reroll?

Because we've had a good amount of random-Elim kills. And those are great when the randomness lands on good kills, or even confusing kills, but not so much when they land on bad kills.

 

 

I still don't really trust Aeternum but I do think we need to exe The Unknown Flame. Honestly the votes between TwinStorm and Worldhopper seem more like a miscommunication, but I also don't really like putting TUF in an "might exe later" basket when we've got other things to do.

@Mark IV @DrakeMarshall you around to say hi?

[STINK he/him]

You guys aren't even rollover panicking yet smh

[TwinStorm He/Him]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

I mean, unless we think it's a 3BA Ajah, @TwinStorm and @The Unknown Flame can probably keep each other honest in terms of spelling out what exactly went down in Brown Ajah.

I'm fine with the pressure on Mark as it stands, but not so happy with how TUF has essentially disappeared from contention and am considering if I should switch back since I'm sure as hell not catching rollover by now.

TOW TUF

[Illwei]

I find it interesting that people seem to have decided yesterday that we were killing TUN today. Not a huge fan of pre planning that. While I agree we need to take people out of the running for the Armadillo seat, I don't know how I feel about specifically killing people in this format of sorts

I do want TUN or the docmate to talk about the vote split in the doc for the sitter/discussion, but I don't necessarily agree that the elims would be gunning for election again. With the wincons being so many for the Elims in this game, I wouldn't expect them to try and run for seats more than try and discredit village sitters. If they elect and then depose an Amarillo seat that's also a win, and is more likely to happen imo than one of them gaining that seat/getting that far without. 

In general the people more timid/not wanting the seats is something I would associate with Elims rather than villagers. Not campaigning/wanting to rand it are things I would say fall under this category. That and being hesitant if asked why they wouldn't want the seat. 

Tldr id like the other person in TUN's ajah to shed some light on what they were all doing in the doc before n0 ended. 

Not only that but also I'd say we don't want anyone to be elected until the last minute. I know i said this before but. Sure they can then see all the docs but it wouldn't help when they get removed right after, only aiding the wincon of the Elims. They don't lose when someone is elected, only when they all die. 

Idk I'm on mobile right now I'm not going to proofread what I've typed. 

TwinStorm

EDIT: 

Frankly i don't believe that people think TUN is the most suspicious person here. Especially in Ash's last post the urgency of exeing TUN feels out of place to me when there are plenty of other slots to talk about or pressure. 

You can say that there was other pressure but when the vote is seemingly as decided as it has been today then none of the other pressure is valid or countable. 

Edited March 26, 2025 by Illwei

[Sart he/him]

13 minutes ago, STINK said:

You guys aren't even rollover panicking yet smh

Working on it. 

The Mark vote is doing nothing. My gut is telling me to kill TUF, but my brain is saying no. I don't think there would be two Elims in Brown. On the other hand, that Quokka picture felt like it had no soul behind its eyes. Won't be shocked if he flips evil, but I won't vote it. Going with the candidate I'm most suspicious of. The vibes are just bad on ThatOneWorldhopper. He's firing randomly, and I can see a world where that kills Teldris.

[Terrisman]

8 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I find it interesting that people seem to have decided yesterday that we were killing TUN today. Not a huge fan of pre planning that. While I agree we need to take people out of the running for the Armadillo seat, I don't know how I feel about specifically killing people in this format of sorts

I do want TUN or the docmate to talk about the vote split in the doc for the sitter/discussion, but I don't necessarily agree that the elims would be gunning for election again. With the wincons being so many for the Elims in this game, I wouldn't expect them to try and run for seats more than try and discredit village sitters. If they elect and then depose an Amarillo seat that's also a win, and is more likely to happen imo than one of them gaining that seat/getting that far without. 

In general the people more timid/not wanting the seats is something I would associate with Elims rather than villagers. Not campaigning/wanting to rand it are things I would say fall under this category. That and being hesitant if asked why they wouldn't want the seat. 

Tldr id like the other person in TUN's ajah to shed some light on what they were all doing in the doc before n0 ended. 

Not only that but also I'd say we don't want anyone to be elected until the last minute. I know i said this before but. Sure they can then see all the docs but it wouldn't help when they get removed right after, only aiding the wincon of the Elims. They don't lose when someone is elected, only when they all die. 

Idk I'm on mobile right now I'm not going to proofread what I've typed. 

TwinStorm

 

Initially I disagreed with you. I thought that the slims would be trying to get as many sitters as possible. However after hearing how the voting went down, I do think that they were likely going with a different strategy. That doesn’t mean there are no e!sitters though. I agree with you that I would like to hear a little more from @TwinStorm and @The Unknown Flame how the nomination went down.

As far as voting for TUF for me it’s not only that I do think he was suspicious. At this point he’s if anything a liability. We wouldn’t trust him. If we vote him out, we get a lot more info and can make much better reads

I also don’t like this move onto Hopper. While he is a little erratic it doesn’t look to me like he is a surefire elim and to have a major vote push to him scared me