Long Game 104: The Flame of Tar Valon

[Terrisman]

Oh darn. I was pretty sure I knew what was going on. I thought for sure that Aet was BA

[Terrisman]

I vote not to depose. BB was the final vote in the last cycle all of which were against villagers. If BridgeBoi was BA, it would’ve been smarter not to vote and let a villager get exe’d. In addition, if you look at the Ajahs 

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Blue: BridgeBoi-sitter, Drake, Stink

yellow: Jo-sitter, Kasimir, Ashbringer 

white: Steeldancer-sitter, Teldris, illwei

Brown: TUF-sitter, twinstorm, KelsierApologist 

grey: Terrisman-sitter, aeternum, mark 

green: Sart-sitter, Hopper, wizard

It seems that there are already at least three clean Ajahs. It seems extremely unlikely that there were 4 clean ones. (I won’t rule it out because that logic didn’t work when I tried saying Twinstorm must be good because there wouldn’t be a full black Ajah)

There cannot be two more elims because if there are the game is already over. 
So I’m left with either Illwei or Steel. The only real reason to say that Steel is clean was given by Illwei, so I’m not sure how far to go with it. I also wonder if the reason that @|TJ| didn’t filter out Steel is because he is the last elim. Steel was gone long enough to be removed

Also, sorry @Aeternum

[Illwei]

@Steeldancer are you going to come back

Idk I'm really torn atm because part of me is worried its bridgeboi which at this point doesnt matter becayse he couldnt get voted with terris not wanting to. Theres also the possibility that terris is the last elim and him saying he doesnt want to vote is him trying to bait someone else to vote so he can hammer. There's also the possibility I am wrong on steel but there's no way to get new info with him not around. 

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Im half tempted to vote out bridgeboi just because again I don't think this game is winnable if terris is the last elim. 

 

Also what is up with my village reads and not wanting to self pres. Ash and aet both didn't pres and if terris is the last elim here I'm gonna just-

Edited April 8, 2025 by Illwei

[Illwei]

18 hours ago, Terrisman said:

I vote not to depose. BB was the final vote in the last cycle all of which were against villagers. If BridgeBoi was BA, it would’ve been smarter not to vote and let a villager get exe’d. In addition, if you look at the Ajahs 

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Blue: BridgeBoi-sitter, Drake, Stink

yellow: Jo-sitter, Kasimir, Ashbringer 

white: Steeldancer-sitter, Teldris, illwei

Brown: TUF-sitter, twinstorm, KelsierApologist 

grey: Terrisman-sitter, aeternum, mark 

green: Sart-sitter, Hopper, wizard

It seems that there are already at least three clean Ajahs. It seems extremely unlikely that there were 4 clean ones. (I won’t rule it out because that logic didn’t work when I tried saying Twinstorm must be good because there wouldn’t be a full black Ajah)

There cannot be two more elims because if there are the game is already over. 
So I’m left with either Illwei or Steel. The only real reason to say that Steel is clean was given by Illwei, so I’m not sure how far to go with it. I also wonder if the reason that @|TJ| didn’t filter out Steel is because he is the last elim. Steel was gone long enough to be removed

Also, sorry @Aeternum

Had to go back to figure out what you meant on the bridgeboi part. 

Atp you trust him, and yesterday you trusted him too. Is there a chance that he's an Elim who voted to keep a specific person alive? Could it be that aeternum was wary of bridgeboi and therefore getting him out meant that bridgeboi was safer from the vote tonight and would more likely survive til tomorrow? 

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

Edited April 8, 2025 by Illwei

[|TJ| he/him]

Cycle is done! 

[|TJ| he/him]

Day 7 - The Last Battle Approaches

Taimon walked the halls with newly found confidence. They were close, quite close - they felt it. Their loyal sisters had almost fully eradicated the Black Ajah. Just a little more patience and they'd find them all. For now though, it seems like the Last Battle approaches...

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Terrisman has been killed! He was loyal to the Hall of the Tower!
BridgeBoi has been fully elevated to the Amyrlin Seat! They are confirmed to be from the Hall of the Tower! 

Vote Count:

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Depose (0): 
No Vote (3): Steeldancer, Terrisman, Illwei

Day 7 has now begun and will end on 10th April, 2025 at 23:00 hrs BST. BridgeBoi now has access to all the Ajah docs, and their vote is counted as 2. They will be with us for an entire cycle and will leave the game at the end of Night 7.  

Player List:

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1. The Wandering Wizard - Evelyn Rosemary Hall of the Tower
2. KelsierApologist - Coprolite Black Ajah
3. TwinStorm - Melian Black Ajah
4. Aeternum Hall of the Tower
5. Ashbringer Hall of the Tower
6. @Steeldancer - John Steel
7. Kasimir - Kamil Lovric Hall of the Tower
8. The Unknown Flame - Verde Black Ajah
9. ThatOneWorldHopper - Alkarii Tay'TerTüne Hall of the Tower
10. DrakeMarshall - Black Ajah
11. Mark IV Hall of the Tower
12. @BridgeBoi - Taimon
13. Terrisman - Terri Hall of the Tower
14. Teldris Anuar - Tesan Alruddin Hall of the Tower
15. Sart - Sartala Hall of the Tower
16. STINK - Rasmuht Hall of the Tower
17. @Illwei
18. A Jo in the Bush - Emmett Hall of the Tower

Edited April 8, 2025 by |TJ|

[Illwei]

Okay

Well. I.  kinda expected to die last night and that terrisman would be the last.

Anyways @bridgeboi ask me questions or whatnot if you want. I don't have much to say at this point. I feel like a fool lol idk. 

Steel

 

 

[BridgeBoi]

Down to three

maybe we should just petition the RNG gods. 50% chance we win.

JK um I’m going to reconsider this later but….

 Illwei 

No confident on this but I have a worse read on steel.

[Illwei]

Petitioning the RNG gods won't work if steel doesn't come back, and even then I doubt he's going to vote for himself lol. 

If you have any questions for me to answer bridgeboi, so that you can find me, let me know. 

[Illwei]

This is an interesting F3 to me

Like, the elim is inactive, should have been filtered out and yet somehow is still here, and our kingmaker is a new player who won't work with me. 

The whole kingmaker scenario is interesting by itself to me and how you get here that kinda makes me wonder what happens if this happens earlier in the game some time but that's besides the point. 

I guess I'm just talking in general to the people now since bridgeboi is kinda also gone 

I cant say anything like "I was pushing steel the whole game" because i legit didn't think he was the last elim. I can say that I have been trying to find the elims since I subbed in and it's noticeable. When people weren't talking i was trying to get them to engage, when ash and aet were up, my two strongest village reads, I tried to save them. 

So honestly if we lose this it's probably just on track for the game. What happens is people get complacent when it seems like it's going to be a sweep and they stop trying thinking we've already won.

Well we didn't win, and actually exed two of my strongest village reads back to back. 

@BridgeBoi I'm not going to try and pull rank here (im not going to try and say "i have more experience you have to follow me"). What I am going to say however is that the last two cycles you voted for my top village reads while I struggled to get people to engage and tried to defend both of them. Ultimately they didn't self pres. Which is a different grievance of mine.  

I pushed twinstorm immediately on entry to the game when he wasnt a topic at the time. I found ash, aet, Kas. I found you, at a time when everyone wanted to still you because they didn't trust you. I have been completely transparent with my thoughts on the game as it progressed, and Ive tried to encourage others to do the same. 

I don't know why you vote for who you vote for, you dont seem to know either based on your posts. 

I need to know what you need from me to find me here. Im a villager. Steel is the last Elim. I dont know how else to help you find me. 

[BridgeBoi]

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

This is an interesting F3 to me

Like, the elim is inactive, should have been filtered out and yet somehow is still here, and our kingmaker is a new player who won't work with me. 

The whole kingmaker scenario is interesting by itself to me and how you get here that kinda makes me wonder what happens if this happens earlier in the game some time but that's besides the point. 

I guess I'm just talking in general to the people now since bridgeboi is kinda also gone 

I cant say anything like "I was pushing steel the whole game" because i legit didn't think he was the last elim. I can say that I have been trying to find the elims since I subbed in and it's noticeable. When people weren't talking i was trying to get them to engage, when ash and aet were up, my two strongest village reads, I tried to save them. 

So honestly if we lose this it's probably just on track for the game. What happens is people get complacent when it seems like it's going to be a sweep and they stop trying thinking we've already won.

Well we didn't win, and actually exed two of my strongest village reads back to back. 

@BridgeBoi I'm not going to try and pull rank here (im not going to try and say "i have more experience you have to follow me"). What I am going to say however is that the last two cycles you voted for my top village reads while I struggled to get people to engage and tried to defend both of them. Ultimately they didn't self pres. Which is a different grievance of mine.  

I pushed twinstorm immediately on entry to the game when he wasnt a topic at the time. I found ash, aet, Kas. I found you, at a time when everyone wanted to still you because they didn't trust you. I have been completely transparent with my thoughts on the game as it progressed, and Ive tried to encourage others to do the same. 

I don't know why you vote for who you vote for, you dont seem to know either based on your posts. 

I need to know what you need from me to find me here. Im a villager. Steel is the last Elim. I dont know how else to help you find me. 

Quite honestly telling me to trust you has no effect. If you are an elim, which there is a 50% chance there is then  it’s easy 

for me steel stepping away from the game reads village. It’s a risky strat for the last elim sacrificing any thread control. Add that to the possibility of Steel being elimated by inactivity and it doesn’t seem like elim stray. Steel has also been very quiet which reads village to me. Most people like playing elim so I would imagine they would be more active.

in conclusion, if i get this wrong I’m sorry illwei but I can’t trust you, there’s too high of a probability of u being elim.

[Illwei]

First of all there is not a 50% chance I am an elim. That's not how that works. 

There is a 100% chance one of us is an elim and a 0% chance the other is. I'm the 0. 

I get that me telling you to trust me means nothing to you. I'm not asking you to trust me off that (though if you could that'd be nice :p.) Im asking you to look at what I've done in this game and see that I'm town here. I'm asking you to ask me questions to help you find me. I'm asking you to engage with me so that ash and aet didn't die in vain. 

Leaving the game is a risky strategy for an elim? I mean. Sure. But this game there has been no yielding for the elims and that can get tiring and stressful. Do I think steel is an elim for leaving? No, obviously not. Do I think he's town for leaving? Definitely not. 

Even when I thought steel was town if you look not once did I think he was town for not being here. That had and has nothing to do with his alignment, but even if i were to ascribe a side to it it would always be elim. 

Maybe I don't think like you. Obviously. You don't need to think like me. What I do need is for you to put even a tiny bit of effort into this game at this point. You are the kingmaker here and you're not making an effort to find me. You're saying "steel isn't here so he's town" which is a ridiculous statement to make right now. 

Drake wasn't in thread a lot. He wasn't in thread at all. Does that mean he was actually a villager? No. Twinstorm had no thread control. TUN had no thread control. What makes you think the last elim, after seeing their teammates all die without being able to stop it, would be like "yeah time for me to do things"

Would they do that, or would they more likely step away from the light and hope that people pass them over (and maybe forget about the game in the meantime idk)

 

My point here is you are specifically voting me for being active. 

That's not suspicious.

You are specifically townreading steel because he isn't here. 

That's not towny.

I'm telling you absolute objective truths in those two statements. Anyone after the game can tell can tell this too. 

We still have 24 hours in which I suppose I can only hope that steel comes back and somehow outs himself. 

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I hope you understand the importance of your role right now and the power you have in the game right now. 

Whatever you vote is what happens. And I'm surprised that you trust yourself to not listen to anything or backread or do more research or engage with me when you just voted out the two villagers i wanted to keep alive. 

 

[BridgeBoi]

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

First of all there is not a 50% chance I am an elim. That's not how that works. 

There is a 100% chance one of us is an elim and a 0% chance the other is. I'm the 0. 

I get that me telling you to trust me means nothing to you. I'm not asking you to trust me off that (though if you could that'd be nice :p.) Im asking you to look at what I've done in this game and see that I'm town here. I'm asking you to ask me questions to help you find me. I'm asking you to engage with me so that ash and aet didn't die in vain. 

Leaving the game is a risky strategy for an elim? I mean. Sure. But this game there has been no yielding for the elims and that can get tiring and stressful. Do I think steel is an elim for leaving? No, obviously not. Do I think he's town for leaving? Definitely not. 

Even when I thought steel was town if you look not once did I think he was town for not being here. That had and has nothing to do with his alignment, but even if i were to ascribe a side to it it would always be elim. 

Maybe I don't think like you. Obviously. You don't need to think like me. What I do need is for you to put even a tiny bit of effort into this game at this point. You are the kingmaker here and you're not making an effort to find me. You're saying "steel isn't here so he's town" which is a ridiculous statement to make right now. 

Drake wasn't in thread a lot. He wasn't in thread at all. Does that mean he was actually a villager? No. Twinstorm had no thread control. TUN had no thread control. What makes you think the last elim, after seeing their teammates all die without being able to stop it, would be like "yeah time for me to do things"

Would they do that, or would they more likely step away from the light and hope that people pass them over (and maybe forget about the game in the meantime idk)

 

My point here is you are specifically voting me for being active. 

That's not suspicious.

You are specifically townreading steel because he isn't here. 

That's not towny.

I'm telling you absolute objective truths in those two statements. Anyone after the game can tell can tell this too. 

We still have 24 hours in which I suppose I can only hope that steel comes back and somehow outs himself. 

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I hope you understand the importance of your role right now and the power you have in the game right now. 

Whatever you vote is what happens. And I'm surprised that you trust yourself to not listen to anything or backread or do more research or engage with me when you just voted out the two villagers i wanted to keep alive. 

 

First and foremost, I’m not townreading you for being active. I’m saying if steel leaves the thread for two cycles, while being the last elim, that is unlikely. 

if u want reasons why I’m voting for u, here’s some. U voted me for Amrmylin and then the next night voted to despose me when there was no reason to. I just see contradictions that make no sense. 
On a different note, if u want me to vote steel, don’t try to bully me and just say there’s a hundred percent that I’m village. That to me just smacks of elim desperation.

in the end convince me not bully me. Show me your record vs steel. Show me specific moments that you think show steel being an elim. Show moments of you being a villager. If you want questions, there they are. I’m open to changing my vote. But talk with me, not at me. Don’t making assumptions that I have no reasons and don’t do back reading. If you want me to vote for steel, show me the goods. And pls give me a minimum amount of respect. If you want to make me do something, statements like “ And I'm surprised that you trust yourself to not listen to anything or backread or do more research or engage with me” are not going to help.  All that’s going to do is make me firm in my position.

Edited April 10, 2025 by BridgeBoi

[Illwei]

I don't understand what you are reading that you think I'm bullying you. 

I have tried to work with you in previous cycles. You are the one who hasn't actually given much throughout the game. In fact my post earlier was laying out the reasons I think that help prove I'm a villager. I gave them to you for you to think about. 

I'm allowed to present you with reasons I'm a villager, and there really isn't anything else to do in this situatiin. 

But I'm done and getting too worked up hehe

Losing to a literal inactive is funny in retrospect probably lol

See u tomorrow 

[Illwei]

In retrospect this will all be very comical I so do believe

[|TJ| he/him]

Time!