Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Coffeecat said:

Definitely not kas I can assure you that 

I agree. Kas is definitely not the Elim

Hey coffee how long is ur doc

[Kasimir he/him]

10 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Anyways, I wonder who the SK will kill

I'm intending to self-protect. Sorry to everyone as I agree with Aman that it's selfish, but I want to be insurance in lylo even though my Lurching skills are absolute crap OTL and I have an insane amount of memes about this game I sent to Mat, including a clown meme about my Lurching abilities

FWIW I was a Lurcher in I think LG94 and LG7 and went the entire damn game without ever stopping a kill in both cases so yeah this is par for the course for me and when I opened my GM PM and realised I was supposed to be the wall between the Village and much stabby death, I just sent Mat and Elan this:

Village on realising they are now dependent on Kas's Lurching skills, colorised:

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I'm not willing to disclose who I was on last cycle as this exposes them, but I had thought to shift to the low activity bracket, mirroring Aman's comments, given where the past kills had been.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Kasimir

[Coffeecat she/her]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Hey coffee how long is ur doc

Lemme go count then

 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

I'm intending to self-protect. Sorry to everyone as I agree with Aman that it's selfish, but I want to be insurance in lylo even though my Lurching skills are absolute crap OTL and I have an insane amount of memes about this game I sent to Mat, including a clown meme about my Lurching abilities

FWIW I was a Lurcher in I think LG94 and LG7 and went the entire damn game without ever stopping a kill in both cases so yeah this is part for the course for me and when I opened my GM PM and realised I was supposed to be the wall between the Village and much stabby death, I just sent Mat and Elan this:

Village on realising they are now dependent on Kas's Lurching skills, colorised:

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I'm not willing to disclose who I was on last cycle as this exposes them, but I had thought to shift to the low activity bracket, mirroring Aman's comments, given where the past kills had been.

Who did you protect c1 (shouldn't actually make a difference)?

Just now, Coffeecat said:

Lemme go count then

 

I want word count not page count 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

Who did you protect c1 (shouldn't actually make a difference)?

No comment. I don't want my patterns to be disclosed here.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

No comment. I don't want my patterns to be disclosed here.

Of course. My Elim TMI is telling me that you:

(These are predictions so we can laugh at them after the game)

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C1: protected self

C2: protected Aman

C3: protected Neil

C4: protected self

 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

Of course. My Elim TMI is telling me that you:

(These are predictions so we can laugh at them after the game)

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C1: protected self

C2: protected Aman

C3: protected Neil

C4: protected self

 

Honestly the way I see it it's a win/win. Either I finally stop a kill this cycle because they try to play the IKYK game with me, or I get to fill out the clown meme I sent Mat about my Lurching decisions as one box is still empty  

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Honestly the way I see it it's a win/win. Either I finally stop a kill this cycle because they try to play the IKYK game with me, or I get to fill out the clown meme I sent Mat about my Lurching decisions as one box is still empty  

Exactly

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Also, do you think my insane self-voting stratss worked?

 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

Exactly

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Also, do you think my insane self-voting stratss worked?

 

No, and genuinely - the point of me claiming at Rollovet was first because I'm traditional, I hoped to collect more data from Coffee, and I want us to talk about this and make the right call this cycle. In the very slim world Coffee is the SK instead, who are we going to push next cycle, at lylo?

We don't want to be wasting time here, frankly. I don't like giving up tempo unnecessarily.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

No, and genuinely - the point of me claiming at Rollovet was first because I'm traditional, I hoped to collect more data from Coffee, and I want us to talk about this and make the right call this cycle. In the very slim world Coffee is the SK instead, who are we going to push next cycle, at lylo?

We don't want to be wasting time here, frankly. I don't like giving up tempo unnecessarily.

Illwei

Or Neil if the stars align and Illwei dies.

 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

Illwei

Or Neil if the stars align and Illwei dies.

Illwei asked Coffee a good question. I'm waiting to hear from Neil. I think we need more discussion and data. But the important thing here is Coffee is one of our two remaining red/blue slots, so we just need to find one more.

I think there's some argument for Aman being a Coffee kill contra @Winnie the Pookla and was why I asked - Aman wasn't as sold on V!Coffee and was largely restrained by my Coffee read. I'll also add Coffee's defense of JNV and Ash definitely seems to point more to E.

[Aeoryi she/her]

I don't think we need more discussion from me so...

Time to go redirect my attention to another ongoing game

[Coffeecat she/her]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Coffee's defense of JNV and Ash definitely seems to point more to E.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth when did I defend them?

[Kasimir he/him]

8 minutes ago, Coffeecat said:

Now you are just putting words in my mouth when did I defend them?

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I think I see what you are saying about Araris not being the best vote right now, since my thought process leads to Aeoryi instead. 

 

But honestly I don't know who to vote instead, Ash and JNV feel like extremely low info targets [N.B. Discouragement of Ash and JNV as exe candidates], but at this point who else do we go for? I think there is something to be said for exing Aeoryi or even Araris as I feel that their alignment is a reaaally important piece of the puzzle.  [N.B. Expresses preference for Araris and Aeo despite unvoting and acknowledging no reason to sus Araris based on own reasoning.]

For now though, Araris

Who should we be voting? I just don't think I'm gonna get much out of the JNV lynch [pushing back against the JNV exe], but I also understand you don't want to deal with multiple possible sleeping elims at lylo

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Kasimir
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[Coffeecat she/her]

Night guys, think it over while I sleep ok? 

[Kasimir he/him]

Let me rehash where we are at, since Coffee doesn't have a defense anymore

• There is only one Brandon Sanderson in the game. Coffee has claimed it, and I'm ccing her.
   
• If I am Village, then it is patently unreasonable for me to cc Coffee here unless I am in fact Brandon Sanderson. V!Kas doesn't know what way Coffee will flip as he lacks TMI - pushing a sus player on gut is high risk as if Coffee flips V, V!Kas is next, causing a Village loss.
   
• If I am Elim, then it is patently unreasonable for me to cc Coffee here. Coffee, in addition, has paved the way for a brawl by hinting she is expecting a cc and lurking in thread all through the Night, presumably waiting for the actual Brandon to show up. If I am Elim, I am the last Elim. I don't know whether Coffee is Brandon or not, and the fact no one up to me has cced Coffee should crank my credences sky high that Coffee is Brandon, meaning I am absolutely screwed after Coffee flips Sanderson. Either way, E!Kas knows Coffee will flip green or blue, and quite likely green. This is a losing proposition for him, as Coffee has acknowledged.
   
• If I am the SK, it is still patently unreasonable for me to cc Coffee here, because I die next cycle to the exe once Coffee flips Sanderson. Keep in mind again that until me, no one has cced Coffee. This means to SK!Kas, BS!Coffee credences should be sky high. Again, Coffee acknowledges this is illogical.
   
• I'll add there's a second and third layer of illogic here: E!me was a crucial voice in getting JNV exed by campaigning aggressively for their death last cycle, and also pushed Ash hard. There's no incentive for E!me to do this, killing two teammates in one fell swoop. Coffee acknowledged this at the start of this cycle but has conveniently ignored it now to continue with her nonsense claim. I am also widely read as consensus Village - E!me has no reason to drive the bus over my teammates to make it harder to win; SK!me has no reason to make the Coffee push here because it's seppuku one way or another and I don't need it with my Village credences. Well, here's the fourth layer: we've worked out Raven was the SK kill. JNV would never consent to a Raven shot. I would certainly never consent to a Raven C1 kill either - it's BM, as Neil would put it, and I'm not only aware of Raven getting N1ed, but called Sart out on it in a separate game.
   
• Coffee earlier claimed that she has to be Brandon because she isn't cced. Now I'm explicitly ccing her and she's doubled down but keeps retreating to the BS claim and isn't able to defend against the various points/charges levelled against her. I return you to the first point: either Coffee or I am Brandon Sanderson. I'm ccing Coffee (thanks Araris >> MR4 flashbacks here.) If my actions make no strategic and tactical sense for an Elim or a SK, then it's pretty clear I am who I say I am, and Coffee is an Elim trying to avoid being exed. (JNV and Ash defense, which she cannot refute, supports this slightly.)
   
• I'll point out here that Coffee's worldview is patently absurd at this point. She acknowledges it's absurd for E!me or SK!me to cc here, but also insists she's BS(ing.) In contrast, it's easier to see what Coffee is doing - she came under pressure, panicked, trickled the idea of a tantalising role, and then was forced to claim when I pointed out that no Villager should be okay dying at lylo but not this cycle. Coffee keeps retreating to the Sanderson claim and "I'm tired" claims because she doesn't have a defense there so she has to handwave it. There's fewer absurdities if we take me at my word. She took forever to push back against me, because she knows I'm not Evil and she knows I'm lying - this is why she was so conciliatory earlier, as Eiwlil noticed. Meanwhile, I came out guns blazing against Coffee once Rollovet happened.
   
• I'd like us to keep analysing but believe Coffee is the best call for this cycle. I'm willing to be talked around to other options, but this would need hard convincing for me as Coffee looks much more likely red than blue. I've said my piece; I just wanted to demolish her BS because I'm tired and I don't know how she's not tired of all this rubbish on stilts  

[Coffeecat she/her]

I'm not tired cause it's just so funny to see you grasping at straws, and it somehow working! You really have a silver tongue, something I sadly lack. Man what a gutsy play

You deserve this win

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Coffeecat said:

I'm not tired cause it's just so funny to see you grasping at straws, and it somehow working! You really have a silver tongue, something I sadly lack. Man what a gutsy play

no u

 

Okay in all honesty:

48 minutes ago, Coffeecat said:

Night guys, think it over while I sleep ok? 

Please go to sleep. Remember, it's just a game, okay? It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Kasimir he/him]

14 minutes ago, Coffeecat said:

I'm not tired cause it's just so funny to see you grasping at straws, and it somehow working! You really have a silver tongue, something I sadly lack. Man what a gutsy play

You deserve this win

Still not engaging with the arguments, Coffee. Still not engaging with the logic.

Trying to slander me with 'grasping at straws' is another Elim move here - you can't address the arguments because you don't have anything left, so you try to accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing.

I know this playbook - it's called DARVO.

[Illwei]

7 hours ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Illwei shouldn't be SK. That makes it likely to have:

Just read this- so true, i shouldn't be

[Aeoryi she/her]

4 minutes ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

Just read this- so true, i shouldn't be

Well are you claiming?

[Illwei]

10 hours ago, Coffeecat said:

The Elim cc was just a wild hope really, didn't think it would happen. 

  @Coffeecat why did you use the word "hope" here?

17 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Aeo - FWIW I don't disagree. I think this does explain why Coffee was relatively unwilling to buy Aman's fakeclaim though, because I'd honestly thought it plausible within Aman's range, especially given Aman's proficiency at gambits and the fact it was coming on the heels of an obvious fakeclaim.

@Kasimir what prompted this then, before you decided to claim?

 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ooklil the Wei said:

@Kasimir what prompted this then, before you decided to claim?

Wanted to see if I could bait more out of Coffee by pretending not to be BS and ccing at Rollovet. Also, try to lure Coffee into complacency. My primary concern for most of the Night was reasoning out whether Coffee was the SK or the last Elim. Likely a better flip than green no matter what, but if there's good reason to think Coffee is the SK, then maybe not the best push.

[Coffeecat she/her]

43 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Please go to sleep. Remember, it's just a game, okay? It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Hehe thanks for caring, I will really go sleep now, and no I was not staying up to see what my BS claim gets up to don't worry

 

Nighty guys

Edit: I am half asleep and I thought I wrote something else beyond answering a good night message, but no.

And that's fair there isn't much for me to say. Kas you are my hero, you really managed to gain village trust by exing your sleepy teammates huh. Good on you, I really love plays like these

Edited December 19, 2023 by Coffeecat

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Coffeecat said:

And that's fair there isn't much for me to say. Kas you are my hero, you really managed to gain village trust by exing your sleepy teammates huh. Good on you, I really love plays like these

And...why do I exe my 'sleepy teammates' when I can win with them?

More insinuation, more inability to engage, more FUD, more fearmongering, inability to address even Illwei's questions here.