Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: Please welcome @Amanuensis who is pinch-hitting for @Experience! TYVM, Good Sir GM, Sir! 2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: Aman! Welcome! Hopefully you clear up Exp's slot for us all :D. :D. :D. Based on past experience, I expect the opposite, personally 2 hours ago, Kasimir said: Current State of Reads: : My, my, this here Kasimir guy : Aeoryi, Araris : JNV, Mat, Wit : Archer???, STINK, Devo, Aman, TJ : Ravenclaw, Ash I was going to make a comment about me not being here, but then I learned how to read. Also what's your Raven case? 1 hour ago, STINK said: That pinch does explain the constant reading huh Heck yeah brother! 1 hour ago, Aeoryi said: O.O Hi aman Reveal hidden contents Reads: 1. People I wouldn't want to exe today: - Kas 2. People we don't get a reasonable amount of info on from exing, but I don't exactly V!read either: - TJ, JNV, STINK, Aman, Wit (barely) 3. People I would be willing to vote on: - Ravenclawjedi42, Mat, Archer, 4. People who just sorta are sitting between tiers: - Araris, Ashbringer (-), Devo (+), I don't want to vote anyone yet but currently I'm leaning towards voting Ravenclawjedi42. yeah Hi Aeoryi! Glad to see you've stuck around! 1 hour ago, Aeoryi said: @Amanuensis, do you have any thoughts that you want to share that you noticed when you read through the thread? Sure. I want to kill Archer with fire. Mostly cuz of vibes. (and no I'm not a dustyboi) RE: 2nd-place-vote-gaining-power, in an ideal world (heh... get it... ideal!), the village is best off being proactive about it, but alas, reality is seldom ideal, so at best I expect us to collectively keep track and police our neighbours or w/e. I'm gonna have to force myself to RP aren't I? My brain has not been cooperating in the writing department lately, but as a firm advocate of RP-contribution-role-systems, it'd be a shame if I slipped through the cracks Everyone other than Archer and Kasimir is basically Null rn. BONUS: I am so not used to the site update lol. What do you mean the edit button is in a drop down menu on the top right of posts now? GAH! 44 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Pshhhhhh definitely code for "I want to be in the elim doc first" /jk ALSO can I get a VC plz ED2T: Everyone feel free to ask me lots of specific questions about anything game related so I can get my brain on the right track o7 Edited November 6, 2023 by Amanuensis
Aeoryi she/her Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Nope. Fifth did. There's somewhere in the Elim doc where he reacts to realising he'd forgotten it was basically his distro I was running, and no, I wouldn't have done it straight up but Fifth joined last minute and the distro was too good for me to pass it up, so I just went with it. Different voting philosophies then, and views about how voting generates pressure and information. In general, as long as a player isn't a V read, my view has usually been that you should be willing to vote them, or to let them die. Edited to add: I guess in defense of my GMing, he'd made that distro one to two years ago, so it wasn't the worst shot in the world to assume he'd just forgotten it existed. Given he spent most of the game panicking about a non-existent V!Seeker, it wasn't the worst GMing call to have made. Edited to add 2: I guess since I shouldn't be lazy, even though this does veer dangerously into the exe/no-exe approximate area - I'm willing to accept I have pretty low thresholds for willingness to vote a player, since I consider anyone fair game as long as I don't V (or vaguely null+) read them. In general, my view is that a discussed lynch with votes that unpredictably remain on players and that are distributed (scattered) rather than pre-consolidated early creates pressure and keeps players on their toes, reducing the places an Elim has to hide. The exe is the Village's best power, ignoring all the role BS. It's the one thing you gotta do, one way or another. Now, V!TKN and I have clashed before and it just boils down to the fact we have different risk appetites. I'm okay with chasing wild leads or hunches or gut or meta reads or just lurkers/profiling issues on C1-C2 that aren't smoking guns. V!TKN has argued before because he wants more certainty. I get that, and I get it's an appetite difference in the end. My view is just that you can't sit back and wait for pressure. Someone's got to get the ball rolling, one way or another. A lot of C1 is pretty specious, and sometimes even on C4, after a string of successes, it's like playing C1 all over again where you have to do the legwork. You probably don't endorse the sitting back camp since you've been voting early, but that's my view of why pushing matters and why I'm fine being pretty damn aggressive in voting. My counterbalance is that I will also rethink a vote to death and shift it based on my updated set of beliefs because I have a powerful aversion to voting Villagers by accident, so want to be sure. In that light, one of my strongest E!tells is extreme vote stability (probably MR62 but I've actually scrubbed that game from my memory because, ew.) I mean my logic behind any exe is: 1. What information does the village get, no matter which way they flip? Is it sufficient? 2. Why are they being Exe'd? What have they done to not deserve it? 3. What's driving others to vote too? Although I this game, I do think that voting should be done moreso than not. Ashbringer For now. Just now, Amanuensis said: TYVM, Good Sir GM, Sir! Based on past experience, I expect the opposite, personally I was going to make a comment about me not being here, but then I learned how to read. Also what's your Raven case? Heck yeah brother! Hi Aeoryi! Glad to see you've stuck around! Sure. I want to kill Archer with fire. Mostly cuz of vibes. (and no I'm not a dustyboi) RE: 2nd-place-vote-gaining-power, in an ideal world (heh... get it... ideal !), the village is best off being proactive about it, but alas, reality is seldom ideal, so at best I expect us to collectively keep track and police our neighbours or w/e. I'm gonna have to force myself to RP aren't I? My brain has not been cooperating in the writing department lately, but as a firm advocate of RP-contribution-role-systems, it'd be a shame if I slipped through the cracks Everyone other than Archer and Kasimir is basically Null rn. ALSO can I get a VC plz "Past experience" - pun intended? Hi aman! 1. "Archer was a corrupted epic called Incinerator!" Was the first thing that came to mind 3. I mean not RPing is cool too, just expect to be farther behind in ideal progression 4. Okay. Cool. No you cannot have a VC. From me, at least.
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I'm gonna have to force myself to RP aren't I? My brain has not been cooperating in the writing department lately, but as a firm advocate of RP-contribution-role-systems, it'd be a shame if I slipped through the cracks Bruv I'm doing NaNo and I can tell you my brain is absolutely not on board with the RP in this game as well, I have no idea why I signed up, and I'm actually writing a weird D&D Friends mashup that I blame my recent nostalgia-fueled Friends marathon for and the character voices keep slipping here >> 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I was going to make a comment about me not being here, but then I learned how to read. Also what's your Raven case? Long story short, just profiling. Feel they've been making entirely uncontroversial points (cf. the second place exe debate) and flying quite a bit under the radar for their post volume (keep in mind they're #4 here) so I figured they could take some pressure. Add zero reason to V!read (not really feeling Mat's read here) and I figured I should vote them. Disclaimer that they were actually in my <Archer, Ash, Ravenclaw> PoE, but I felt bad voting Ash as he's just returned, and I keep going back and forth about Archer. That is, his first post still seems off to me and I don't feel his tie views come from a Village perspective, but at the same time, IDK, I just can't seem to get fully on board with that train and IDK if it's just because he's alive and posting. 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I want to kill Archer with fire. Mostly cuz of vibes. (and no I'm not a dustyboi) Got an Archer case to sell me? Edited to add: 5 minutes ago, Aeoryi said: 2. Why are they being Exe'd? What have they done to not deserve it? 2's functionally the reason Ash is on my E list for now, yeah. I could see to revising but it really depends on whether Ash further engages and whether some of the V!Ash stuff pops up. Granted, he did fool me for quite a while in LG96 so maybe I'm not the best Ash reads guy out here. Edited November 6, 2023 by Kasimir 1
STINK he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Oh I've just realised the average post length is about to go up a fair wee bit huh
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: ALSO can I get a VC plz I plugged in Tallybot but I think new Shard broke Tallybot and - yep it did it also broke postcounter bot and I'm not in the frame of mind to fix that so I guess good ol' manual methods it is >> Archer (2): Aman, JNV Ash (1): Aeoryi Raven (1): Kas JNV (1): Mat Devo (1): Archer Wit (1): Araris Nobody (6): Devo, Wit, Raven, Ash, STINK, TJ ...Does seem to indicate there's at least one Elim in <Aman, JNV, Aeoryi, Kas, Mat, Archer, Araris.> Non-definite as there's time for rush votes and Devo always votes late. TJ hard to say due to inactivity. Lean against Aeo and Araris, maybe Mat for reasons stated. Light V on JNV may turn out to be poorly justified. Mean I'm theoretically committed to one Evil in <Aman, Archer>, maybe JNV if I build them back in. Man could this BE more awkward... Edited to add: 19 minutes ago, STINK said: Oh I've just realised the average post length is about to go up a fair wee bit huh Just like old times! Edited November 6, 2023 by Kasimir
Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Aeoryi said: "Past experience" - pun intended? ... No you cannot have a VC. From me, at least. Pun always intended! Also, rude! 42 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Bruv I'm doing NaNo and I can tell you my brain is absolutely not on board with the RP in this game as well, I have no idea why I signed up, and I'm actually writing a weird D&D Friends mashup that I blame my recent nostalgia-fueled Friends marathon for and the character voices keep slipping here >> Long story short, just profiling. Feel they've been making entirely uncontroversial points (cf. the second place exe debate) and flying quite a bit under the radar for their post volume (keep in mind they're #4 here) so I figured they could take some pressure. Add zero reason to V!read (not really feeling Mat's read here) and I figured I should vote them. Disclaimer that they were actually in my <Archer, Ash, Ravenclaw> PoE, but I felt bad voting Ash as he's just returned, and I keep going back and forth about Archer. That is, his first post still seems off to me and I don't feel his tie views come from a Village perspective, but at the same time, IDK, I just can't seem to get fully on board with that train and IDK if it's just because he's alive and posting. Got an Archer case to sell me? Weird D&D Friends mashup sounds lit tho glad you're here nonetheless o7 Fair enough. My initial read of them has been 'sensible,' which probably tells me more about them as a person rather than as a player in this game. I'll look back at their content and keep an eye on them going forward to see if anything sticks out. IDK about a Archer case but I'll attempt to articulate my feelings Initial stance on the second most votes = sworn ideal thing feels... naive, for lack of a better word? Disarming? I kinda like the second word more cause that's the vibe I'm getting off Archer this game in general. Almost like he's advocating complacence? On 11/4/2023 at 11:22 PM, Archer said: Ashbringer So the problem with this setup is our second biggest suspect gets rewarded with an Ideal swearing. If we rig the votes to avalanche the top suspect and put a trusted person in second, we lose the last minute vote movements that have historically been telling of connections between evil teammates. I'm leaning towards not worrying about it at all because there's enough Ideal triggers that it's a drop in the bucket, but I'm curious how y'all want to approach that. His votes so far feel more low-effort / toothless than I'd expect from him. To demonstrate, here's some quotes On 11/5/2023 at 12:19 AM, Ashbringer said: For instance, did Archer vote me because he saw me watching for so long typing RP, or did he just pick me? Who knows? On 11/5/2023 at 12:42 AM, Archer said: More the latter, and I'm parking my vote there for the same reason. :P. 21 hours ago, Archer said: Okay I figured it out. JNV said "Im just going to put a vote on Experience cause one that post is hm". I read that as them saying their vote is suspicious, when what JNV meant was that their vote is literally "hm". I've now read the status update aaaaaand. Don't know what to do about that. Thank you for pointing it out. By shoot I mean vote for. If I did have a kill, I wouldn't tell you publicly. I haven't heard from anyone in PMs yet, besides the person I reached out to. EDIT: Experience Ashbringer (I accidentally copied JNV's vote with the formatting. I did not mean to vote XP) (This moment is odd to me because he's already admitted his Ash vote is just... because... so why not leave it on Exp / why go back at all?) 3 hours ago, Archer said: [insert witty retort centered around the idea that there should be a little pressure on them, even if its theoretical] At least one elim is probably low activity, so you're likely defending some evil by proxy right now! Traitor! Ashbringer Devo And he switches to Devo in a very unserious way, which to me feels like he's not very invested in the result of the exe today. He's also fixated on Mat a couple times without actually voting him, which feels like a very E!Archer thing to me, though I'm not sure if there's necessarily a historical precedence for that. I feel like in the case of V!Archer fixating on Mat, he usually pushes harder / redder. I'd quote but eh, just the ones above were more work than I thought they'd be, so I recommend going through his last few posts to see what I mean. And some minor / supplementary things Potential slip with the whole "shoot" thing Already hit today's RP ideal goal Lots of words, and thus an equal amount of contribution (theoretically), but it feels a little empty / destinationless, if that makes sense. The journey might be (debatedly) more important than the end, however, it mostly feels fluffy or semanticsy to me, in a way that evokes "I'm a bad boi who doesn't want people to think I'm a bad boi" I think there was one or two more things but my attention span is slipping. Would rather do some shorter back and forth posts with players than any cases/essays or the like, tbh TL;DR ARCHER BAD ED1T: 29 minutes ago, STINK said: Oh I've just realised the average post length is about to go up a fair wee bit huh Slander! Lies and slander! 15 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Archer (2): Aman, JNV Ash (1): Aeoryi Raven (1): Kas JNV (1): Mat Devo (1): Archer Wit (1): Araris Nobody (6): Devo, Wit, Raven, Ash, STINK, TJ TY Edited November 6, 2023 by Amanuensis
Ashbringer he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kasimir said: @Ashbringer - If I asked for 1 V / 1 E, would you be able to do it right now? Sympathetic to the rust because I swear to god I took a break for three games (?) and suddenly I feel like I don't recall how to Village well at all. ... yeah my last Village 'normal' game was July. Oh dear. Gut read time. I'm gonna say it's cheating to gut read you V, even though I probably do Village: Araris. Seems mostly normal, and tbh I've forgotten if E!Araris spends time on RP. Elim: In theory, Wit. In practice I think I'm more likely to vote TJ, STINK, or Exp Aman Aman if he doesn't return from Valorant those two, just because of Contribution Crusade power tending to make the game a bit more fun and has the bonus effect of convincing me to be active to stay off the chopping block. But I think I agree with others that Wit seems a bit... coasting, despite prior games. (Could say that about me, I suppose, but I feel like V!me has a ramping pattern... it's been a while since I've pulled it off but I definitely have.) 3 hours ago, Archer said: -Self aware about why I might have voted him -Reactive to my vote (has tried to reframe it, has mentioned it, has been more active than I thought he'd be in a way that makes me wonder if he's trying to undermine an inactivity-based vote) ... ouch I'm defensive/reactive by nature, when I have the chance. And I do this time around. Knowing why people vote me lets me make arguments as to why you shouldn't, and that gives me time to do things. I am a little curious why you call it an inactivity-based vote when it was the 5th post of the cycle? 1 hour ago, Aeoryi said: @Ashbringer, who would you shot (if you could)? Would you be more supportive of Archer's "shot the inactives" or Kas' secondary exe kill idea? TJ or Wit*. So... yes, I guess. *Disclaimer: if Ash actually has a kill ability he's probably lying so he doesn't get countershot. Or maybe he's not! I love conditional lies. 1 hour ago, Aeoryi said: Why does everyone hate ash again? I hope no one hates me But Kas got it mostly right for suspicion-wise. I do tend to do Araris's flying under the radar, except I'm not quite as good as it. Tend to get more votes. Honestly, I like having pressure - if I have time to answer it, it gives me something easy to get a jump off point to discuss, and I tend to be good at explaining myself. It can definitely backfire if things get too much or if I don't have time, and then I either die, or end up consuming the entire Village's discussion for 3+ cycles which is honestly worse. I like it more in games like this, where over time I can do more things that give me mechanical things to do. Do I have time? I guess I'll find out. Also... how many votes do I actually have? I think it was just Archers, then Archer switched to Devo and you switched to me. So might just be the one. 42 minutes ago, Kasimir said: 2's functionally the reason Ash is on my E list for now, yeah. I could see to revising but it really depends on whether Ash further engages and whether some of the V!Ash stuff pops up. Granted, he did fool me for quite a while in LG96 so maybe I'm not the best Ash reads guy out here. I second this... I think. Also - I think I've either not known or entirely forgotten my Village tells. Mostly because I (in my opinion) try to play mostly genuinely as an Elim. But also because it's been a while. And it's been more of a while since I was Village. And because a lot of the times I've been Elim I've felt busy from some mix of me actually being busy and me not wanting to deal with being Elim, except I'm just busy now because grad school apps are due in 25 days ack. Aaaaaaand Aman just quoted me but on a different page so I'm just going to post this and then edit it. Edit: THEY MOVED THE EDIT BUTTON 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: His votes so far feel more low-effort / toothless than I'd expect from him. To demonstrate, here's some quotes Well, how's this for effort Edited November 6, 2023 by Ashbringer
Ravenclawjedi42 Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Kasimir said: Similar question. 2 V / 1 E, you can be wrong, it's ok, just 'where you stand rn.' If 2 V / 1 E not possible, how about 1 V / 1 E? Sorry, I was gone, and I have a dentist’s appointment soon so I’ll have to go, but right now: Matrim’s Dice seems the most elimmy at the moment, but he’s closely followed by Aeoryi with all the questions she’s been asking. Then again, that very well might mean absolutely nothing. Honestly, you seem the pretty village to me right now, along with JNV. I do think that there’s a good chance of Aman (former Experience) being elim, since Experience might have decided not to do the game because he could not be a consistent elim, but I’m probably reading too much into it.
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Initial stance on the second most votes = sworn ideal thing feels... naive, for lack of a better word? Disarming? I kinda like the second word more cause that's the vibe I'm getting off Archer this game in general. Almost like he's advocating complacence? Question for you. Suppose we do shoot a second exe player (which I've been advocating for, though granted, what my opinion means might be very well nothing, but part of the point is to raise the strategy and alter the Elim calculus.) In that world, don't the Elims risk revealing their hand a lot? Because this essentially means that all the players who voted for the second exe candidate are automatically suspect, and it's quite likely that trail will let us domino at least one Elim. To be clear, my issue isn't so much with the last second vote movements issue, it's just that a consensus to rig already renders the exe more toothless because that's no longer quite as much pressure. But I ask this because I'm not sure if I consider that complacence per se. 13 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: (This moment is odd to me because he's already admitted his Ash vote is just... because... so why not leave it on Exp / why go back at all?) If this is another elastic vote moment and Archer/Ash E/E I s2g ._. 14 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: He's also fixated on Mat a couple times without actually voting him, which feels like a very E!Archer thing to me, though I'm not sure if there's necessarily a historical precedence for that. I feel like in the case of V!Archer fixating on Mat, he usually pushes harder / redder. I'd quote but eh, just the ones above were more work than I thought they'd be, so I recommend going through his last few posts to see what I mean. This one I do see, as I think Archer has a tendency to perform certain V things when E. That said, yeah I'd like a comparator. I guess I'll go look at some past interactions for this one. 15 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Already hit today's RP ideal goal This is a bit of an aside but I'd definitely like to ask you how much you expect the Elims to be leaning into that. My view is still that Fifth Ideal is very attractive to them, and the voting + RP Ideals are fairly achievable, so I expect them to be gunning for it if possible. That as a corollary does require me to believe at least one voter in the pool I referenced earlier is Evil, with asterisks for Archer, potentially Devo, Ash, Raven, for RP. I'd expect the RP ideal issue to define a pool, even if I don't take it to generate individual suspicion, since Archer did frontload his RP posts as a Village player in QF66. 18 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Lots of words, and thus an equal amount of contribution (theoretically), but it feels a little empty / destinationless, if that makes sense. The journey might be (debatedly) more important than the end, however, it mostly feels fluffy or semanticsy to me, in a way that evokes "I'm a bad boi who doesn't want people to think I'm a bad boi" Vibe/tone read or? 17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Village: Araris. Seems mostly normal, and tbh I've forgotten if E!Araris spends time on RP. He does, yes. LG74, MR52 (or whichever was the one I ran where Araris got C1ed and killed his own mechanic.) 17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Elim: In theory, Wit. In practice I think I'm more likely to vote TJ, STINK, or Exp Aman Aman if he doesn't return from Valorant those two, just because of Contribution Crusade power tending to make the game a bit more fun You don't feel TJ is better off being replaced by a PH? 18 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I am a little curious why you call it an inactivity-based vote when it was the 5th post of the cycle? Tfw Ash makes a better Archer push than Aman did 19 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Also... how many votes do I actually have? I think it was just Archers, then Archer switched to Devo and you switched to me. So might just be the one. One, as of my last count. 19 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I second this... I think. Probably should since you fooled me for a decent length of time in LG96. You and TJ had me question mY rEaLitY >> 20 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: except I'm just busy now because grad school apps are due in 25 days ack. Good luck btw. 20 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Edit: THEY MOVED THE EDIT BUTTON I've discovered this and I'm crying internally everytime I try to edit tbh >> 15 minutes ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said: Sorry, I was gone, and I have a dentist’s appointment soon so I’ll have to go, but right now: Matrim’s Dice seems the most elimmy at the moment, but he’s closely followed by Aeoryi with all the questions she’s been asking. Then again, that very well might mean absolutely nothing. Honestly, you seem the pretty village to me right now, along with JNV. I do think that there’s a good chance of Aman (former Experience) being elim, since Experience might have decided not to do the game because he could not be a consistent elim, but I’m probably reading too much into it. All the best with the dentist! Fair point about Aman, and it's definitely a though I'm keeping in mind. Would you happen to be able to explain why you feel that way about Mat or Aeo but not me? I mean, I feel I fit the same 'asking questions' profile here.
STINK he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said: I have a dentist’s appointment soon What are the odds that two SE players have dentist stuff in like a real short timespan that is something huh Also mfw my name is mentioned in regards to the Contribution Crusade
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Ngl I'm re-reading LG97 for an Archer baseline rn and all I feel is an increasing desire to re-boomerang back to Mat
Araris Valerian he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Strength before weakness. This was one that Aradon didn't need to think too hard about. Before you sat down to rest, you went out to the fields. This field, rather than being filled with lavis polyps, was full of Knights and their spren. He just had to find the holes that were a sure sign of worms. So Aradon wandered among his fellows, striking a few conversations. His first impression of Wit had mellowed. Perhaps the man was a traitor, but maybe he just needed a bit more room to spread his wings. Phil had approached him directly, wondering about which sorts of Knights would be most likely to be traitors. Aradon wasn't sure that it was quite so simple. Yes, some of the Radiant abilities would be more useful than others in the current situation, but it was also the case that betraying Dalinar would sit less well with some orders. And perhaps that line of thinking was meant to distract from other, more fruitful approaches. In a pinch, Aradon would support executing him. Shay was currently Aradon's greatest suspect. He'd overheard some of her discussions with Saffron (who was named after some exotic Shin spice, apparently), and something had struck him as off, though he was having a hard time putting a finger on it. The Stoneward, Keleran, seemed at first glance like someone Aradon could get along with, but the man had rebuffed his attempts to talk. It seemed like they all had some cracks in places. Some just were harder to cover over. The other Windrunners seemed to be holding themselves back, and Aradon could begin to feel the weight of all the noise on the field start to overwhelm him. Maybe they'd had the right of it after all. So he took his leave, heading to a quiet spot in the tower. Ten years back he never would have imagined living in such a place. A farmer from Stoneskeep as a Radiant in Urithiru? A part of Aradon was sure that Spark would whiz by one day and proclaim the whole thing was a joke. 1
Ravenclawjedi42 Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, STINK said: What are the odds that two SE players have dentist stuff in like a real short timespan that is something huh Also mfw my name is mentioned in regards to the Contribution Crusade That is strange. What if… We’re the same person?!! 22 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Fair point about Aman, and it's definitely a though I'm keeping in mind. Would you happen to be able to explain why you feel that way about Mat or Aeo but not me? I mean, I feel I fit the same 'asking questions' profile here. Mat is more of a gut feeling and I don’t really have any good reasons for it actually being him. Aeoryi was the first person to really start asking lots of questions, and it seemed like she did it more than anyone else.
Aeoryi she/her Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Ngl I'm re-reading LG97 for an Archer baseline rn and all I feel is an increasing desire to re-boomerang back to Mat Reading MR65 might be better- archer lived longer that game 35 minutes ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said: Sorry, I was gone, and I have a dentist’s appointment soon so I’ll have to go, but right now: Matrim’s Dice seems the most elimmy at the moment, but he’s closely followed by Aeoryi with all the questions she’s been asking. Then again, that very well might mean absolutely nothing. Honestly, you seem the pretty village to me right now, along with JNV. I do think that there’s a good chance of Aman (former Experience) being elim, since Experience might have decided not to do the game because he could not be a consistent elim, but I’m probably reading too much into it. Btw, questions are good. Village discussion is important. Asking questions is an attempt to provoke village discussion. If you don't talk, you'll find it extremely hard to find any suspicions or make reads. Also, I'll put my vote on Archer ... Yeah Just now, Ravenclawjedi42 said: That is strange. What if… We’re the same person?!! Mat is more of a gut feeling and I don’t really have any good reasons for it actually being him. Aeoryi was the first person to really start asking lots of questions, and it seemed like she did it more than anyone else. I mean most games I have about 2x as many posts as anyone else sooooooo I'll review aman's "why you should kill archer" statement later, but for now it seems kinda odd to gun for someone day 1. But who knows.
Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Kasimir said: 1) Question for you. Suppose we do shoot a second exe player (which I've been advocating for, though granted, what my opinion means might be very well nothing, but part of the point is to raise the strategy and alter the Elim calculus.) In that world, don't the Elims risk revealing their hand a lot? Because this essentially means that all the players who voted for the second exe candidate are automatically suspect, and it's quite likely that trail will let us domino at least one Elim. To be clear, my issue isn't so much with the last second vote movements issue, it's just that a consensus to rig already renders the exe more toothless because that's no longer quite as much pressure. But I ask this because I'm not sure if I consider that complacence per se. I think you're views are correct here. Explicitly vigshooting all second place votes is certainly a good way to deter elims from accumulating that power too quickly, but naturally that comes with the risk of us maiming our own, so I think rather than having a hard-and-fast rule, we're better off staying vigilant of the game state and making the right adjustments at half time. Quote 2) This one I do see, as I think Archer has a tendency to perform certain V things when E. That said, yeah I'd like a comparator. I guess I'll go look at some past interactions for this one. Looking forward to the results Quote 3) This is a bit of an aside but I'd definitely like to ask you how much you expect the Elims to be leaning into that. My view is still that Fifth Ideal is very attractive to them, and the voting + RP Ideals are fairly achievable, so I expect them to be gunning for it if possible. That as a corollary does require me to believe at least one voter in the pool I referenced earlier is Evil, with asterisks for Archer, potentially Devo, Ash, Raven, for RP. I'd expect the RP ideal issue to define a pool, even if I don't take it to generate individual suspicion, since Archer did frontload his RP posts as a Village player in QF66. I'd expect elims to go for any and all available powers as swiftly as possible, yeah. Of course, this should be what every player is doing, but we also know that's rarely what happens on either team, due to a wide variety of factors (motivation, time, whim, etc). So it's not really a strong point for e!Archer, imo, but something I felt worth noting nonetheless. That + I do think Archer is the type of elim who would always go for the practical power boost and get it done regardless of their circumstances. (ED1T: I suppose Archer is the type of villager who would do that too I just also think v!Archer would have more oomph here) Quote 4) Vibe/tone read or? Sorta? I'm probably not explaining it well enough (I slept terribly last night and the mental exhaustion is hitting me), but I think it's a perspective thing too? I'm trying to understand the place Archer is coming from / what his goals are, and they don't inherently feel V-sided, if that makes sense. 25 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Ngl I'm re-reading LG97 for an Archer baseline rn and all I feel is an increasing desire to re-boomerang back to Mat I might be down for a Mat vote btw Edited November 6, 2023 by Amanuensis
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said: The Stoneward, Keleran, seemed at first glance like someone Aradon could get along with, but the man had rebuffed his attempts to talk. It seemed like they all had some cracks in places. Some just were harder to cover over. Aradon had tried. It wasn't easy keeping up a conversation though, when you had to suspect basically everyone. Furtive conversations away from the others could only achieve so much, and in the end, Keleran didn't really want to talk. "You're stronger together," Ellu had said, firmly, when Keleran had tried to take his leave, pushing him lightly in the chest with a small hand. "Can't keep the world out forever, Keleran." He tried, though. At least Keleran figured Aradon was as true as a cautery blade. He didn't think the Windrunner was playing him false. He had been sincere in his early desire to talk plans to discover the turncoats among the Radiants. That sincerity...Keleran let out a long breath. It was something he struggled to find as the others spoke. Sometimes he questioned his own decisions too. More than sometimes. In the end, he rebuffed Aradon after a few brief attempts. "Windrunner talk," Ellu had said, yet again. "Or Skybreaker talk. You aren't here to be a hero, Keleran." "Then why did you choose me?" he demanded. The same pain that went through to the crack in his heart; the same knowledge of his own inadequacy, even as others ran about and tried to identify the traitors among them. And all Keleran was good for was secondguessing, questioning himself and his own thoughts. Walking about in circles, again and again. She pressed a touch to his palm, and Keleran found tears in his eyes. They shouldn't have been there. "Sometimes," Ellu said, solemnly, "You don't have to be a hero, Kel. You don't have to fight. You just have to not give up. You just have to show up and be there." "Because no one else will," Keleran whispered. Memories of the whitespine. Standing his ground, even though he was certain it would be the death of him. Not one step backwards. Ellu's touch, like a teardrop in his palm. Was it enough, Keleran wondered. Could he be enough? 2
Aeoryi she/her Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Pun always intended! Also, rude! Weird D&D Friends mashup sounds lit tho glad you're here nonetheless o7 Fair enough. My initial read of them has been 'sensible,' which probably tells me more about them as a person rather than as a player in this game. I'll look back at their content and keep an eye on them going forward to see if anything sticks out. IDK about a Archer case but I'll attempt to articulate my feelings Initial stance on the second most votes = sworn ideal thing feels... naive, for lack of a better word? Disarming? I kinda like the second word more cause that's the vibe I'm getting off Archer this game in general. Almost like he's advocating complacence? His votes so far feel more low-effort / toothless than I'd expect from him. To demonstrate, here's some quotes (This moment is odd to me because he's already admitted his Ash vote is just... because... so why not leave it on Exp / why go back at all?) And he switches to Devo in a very unserious way, which to me feels like he's not very invested in the result of the exe today. He's also fixated on Mat a couple times without actually voting him, which feels like a very E!Archer thing to me, though I'm not sure if there's necessarily a historical precedence for that. I feel like in the case of V!Archer fixating on Mat, he usually pushes harder / redder. I'd quote but eh, just the ones above were more work than I thought they'd be, so I recommend going through his last few posts to see what I mean. And some minor / supplementary things Potential slip with the whole "shoot" thing Already hit today's RP ideal goal Lots of words, and thus an equal amount of contribution (theoretically), but it feels a little empty / destinationless, if that makes sense. The journey might be (debatedly) more important than the end, however, it mostly feels fluffy or semanticsy to me, in a way that evokes "I'm a bad boi who doesn't want people to think I'm a bad boi" I think there was one or two more things but my attention span is slipping. Would rather do some shorter back and forth posts with players than any cases/essays or the like, tbh TL;DR ARCHER BAD ED1T: Slander! Lies and slander! TY Yeah. Something is off about archer and I can't place my hand on it. 57 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: ... yeah my last Village 'normal' game was July. Oh dear. Gut read time. I'm gonna say it's cheating to gut read you V, even though I probably do Village: Araris. Seems mostly normal, and tbh I've forgotten if E!Araris spends time on RP. Elim: In theory, Wit. In practice I think I'm more likely to vote TJ, STINK, or Exp Aman Aman if he doesn't return from Valorant those two, just because of Contribution Crusade power tending to make the game a bit more fun and has the bonus effect of convincing me to be active to stay off the chopping block. But I think I agree with others that Wit seems a bit... coasting, despite prior games. (Could say that about me, I suppose, but I feel like V!me has a ramping pattern... it's been a while since I've pulled it off but I definitely have.) ... ouch I'm defensive/reactive by nature, when I have the chance. And I do this time around. Knowing why people vote me lets me make arguments as to why you shouldn't, and that gives me time to do things. I am a little curious why you call it an inactivity-based vote when it was the 5th post of the cycle? TJ or Wit*. So... yes, I guess. *Disclaimer: if Ash actually has a kill ability he's probably lying so he doesn't get countershot. Or maybe he's not! I love conditional lies. I hope no one hates me But Kas got it mostly right for suspicion-wise. I do tend to do Araris's flying under the radar, except I'm not quite as good as it. Tend to get more votes. Honestly, I like having pressure - if I have time to answer it, it gives me something easy to get a jump off point to discuss, and I tend to be good at explaining myself. It can definitely backfire if things get too much or if I don't have time, and then I either die, or end up consuming the entire Village's discussion for 3+ cycles which is honestly worse. I like it more in games like this, where over time I can do more things that give me mechanical things to do. Do I have time? I guess I'll find out. Also... how many votes do I actually have? I think it was just Archers, then Archer switched to Devo and you switched to me. So might just be the one. I second this... I think. Also - I think I've either not known or entirely forgotten my Village tells. Mostly because I (in my opinion) try to play mostly genuinely as an Elim. But also because it's been a while. And it's been more of a while since I was Village. And because a lot of the times I've been Elim I've felt busy from some mix of me actually being busy and me not wanting to deal with being Elim, except I'm just busy now because grad school apps are due in 25 days ack. Aaaaaaand Aman just quoted me but on a different page so I'm just going to post this and then edit it. Edit: THEY MOVED THE EDIT BUTTON Well, how's this for effort Hm. I don't know if wallposting after people ask you to contribute more counts as V!indicative. I do appreciate the effort, however. Speaking of which, I can't tell if Raven is just uninterested/not following the game as much as others or is hedging (I think that's the correct term to use) and making strange pushes. I currently think that Raven is just a confused villager but idk 13 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I think you're views are correct here. Explicitly vigshooting all second place votes is certainly a good way to deter elims from accumulating that power too quickly, but naturally that comes with the risk of us maiming our own, so I think rather than having a hard-and-fast rule, we're better off staying vigilant of the game state and making the right adjustments at half time. Looking forward to the results I'd expect elims to go for any and all available powers as swiftly as possible, yeah. Of course, this should be what every player is doing, but we also know that's rarely what happens on either team, due to a wide variety of factors (motivation, time, whim, etc). So it's not really a strong point for e!Archer, imo, but something I felt worth noting nonetheless. That + I do think Archer is the type of elim who would always go for the practical power boost and get it done regardless of their circumstances. Sorta? I'm probably not explaining it well enough (I slept terribly last night and the mental exhaustion is hitting me), but I think it's a perspective thing too? I'm trying to understand the place Archer is coming from / what his goals are, and they don't inherently feel V-sided, if that makes sense. I might be down for a Mat vote btw Could you ISO mat? I don't think I'm the only person who's had conflicting reads on him.
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Aeoryi said: Reading MR65 might be better- archer lived longer that game Nah, I've actually gone from LG97 all the way back to MR64, might skip back more but I need a life at some point and I think I've seen what I needed to see 16 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I might be down for a Mat vote btw Do you feel this is somewhat mutually exclusive with an Archer vote? 16 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I think you're views are correct here. Explicitly vigshooting all second place votes is certainly a good way to deter elims from accumulating that power too quickly, but naturally that comes with the risk of us maiming our own, so I think rather than having a hard-and-fast rule, we're better off staying vigilant of the game state and making the right adjustments at half time. Aman bro, ilu and I was very happy you're subbing in and I will never be down for C1ing you especially after such a long break but u must know my sphincter tightened in LG94 flashbacks when I read this post >:P Fifth if you made Aman Evil I s2g I am never playing a game of yours again I cannot my heart cannot take this do u know how much I struggled to exe him even after Devo RBed him like I just could not accept Aman was most likely Evil and if not for Alv and Araris being based af IDK what I would've done [Note: not being all that serious, for anyone not aware of how much Fifth and I troll each other. But probably already obvious from my calling his distros sick.] Spoiler 18 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Looking forward to the results Long story short - I can see it within Archer's V range but also within his E range. It's a tell that's been validated (e.g. MR64), but Archer was very demonstrative about mentioning it, which he hasn't really been in previous games, e.g. LG96 of the Great Mat Push. LG97 is an interesting comparator for different reasons IMO because Mat is painfully obviously Village in that game in a way he isn't in this game. I grant some of it is likely hindsight since I think Stick and I argued about whether Mat was V or not, but the thing we felt he had going for him was just a very organic process of thoughts/engagement/solving, which I'm not seeing here. And yeah, temptation to boomerang I guess. 22 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: (ED1T: I suppose Archer is the type of villager who would do that too I just also think v!Archer would have more oomph here) That's fundamentally my problem and JNV's. I don't disagree with Mat about metascrewing but I also think metascrewing happens less than players think: not every point is vulnerable to metascrewing because some of it is temperament-based and if you don't make a deliberate attempt to metascrew, you lapse. The fact that tells exist in the first place is a testament to that, though I definitely agree some are masked more easily than others wrt JNV and myself. Mat's been very good at masking his defensiveness tell on occasion, IMO, but less successful on some occasions than others, e.g. LG96, where the consequences were more serious/severe. 28 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I'm trying to understand the place Archer is coming from / what his goals are, and they don't inherently feel V-sided, if that makes sense. This was my issue with Archer on ties tbh. 32 minutes ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said: Mat is more of a gut feeling and I don’t really have any good reasons for it actually being him. Aeoryi was the first person to really start asking lots of questions, and it seemed like she did it more than anyone else. Fair. Do you feel she's powerwolfing/making a play for thread control/dominance, then?
Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Do you feel this is somewhat mutually exclusive with an Archer vote? Aman bro, ilu and I was very happy you're subbing in and I will never be down for C1ing you especially after such a long break but u must know my sphincter tightened in LG94 flashbacks when I read this post >:P Fifth if you made Aman Evil I s2g I am never playing a game of yours again I cannot my heart cannot take this do u know how much I struggled to exe him even after Devo RBed him like I just could not accept Aman was most likely Evil and if not for Alv and Araris being based af IDK what I would've done [Note: not being all that serious, for anyone not aware of how much Fifth and I troll each other. But probably already obvious from my calling his distros sick.] Reveal hidden contents Long story short - I can see it within Archer's V range but also within his E range. It's a tell that's been validated (e.g. MR64), but Archer was very demonstrative about mentioning it, which he hasn't really been in previous games, e.g. LG96 of the Great Mat Push. Tbh I could see a e!Archer/e!Mat world, if that’s what you mean (shading his partner without voting because it’s expected of Archer to fixate on Mat, but he still wants a Villager dead instead). You’ll have to remind me which game 94 was or more specifically, the context of the sphincter tightening I’m pretty sure I misunderstood what you were getting at there with shooting the second most voted player, though. I shy away from black and white thinking in general, especially when based on speculating scenarios that haven’t happened yet. And TBF to Fifth, if I did pinch hit into elim, that’s not really his fault Exp would have been the choice to be evil and I reckon I was slotted in as a PH before others simply because I was the most readily available. C1s are hard what can I say Archer (3): Aman, JNV, Aeoryi Mat (2): Raven, Araris Raven (1): Kas JNV (1): Mat Devo (1): Archer Nobody (): Devo, Wit, Ash, STINK, TJ Edited November 6, 2023 by Amanuensis
Archer he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Aeoryi said: Yeah. Something is off about archer and I can't place my hand on it. Actively checking thread without posting much, extremely stagnant vote. Take your pick :P. Just don't @ me for what are clearly 2/3 pre-writes of RP. With regards to my voting, normally I'd hop around more, but I was really feeling the Ash train until I lost my nerve to murder a returning player. Again, Ash was reactive and tried to reframe the narrative in a way he can defend against (responding to someone asking what has Ash done with not much lol.) So I went for Devo. Reluctant role claim: I am a Windrunner. Granting me adhesion because our GM has a sense of humor. So my stance on close votes has evolved a bit over the course of the round, because I benefit from being able to mess with them. It was the discussion topic I'd planned for the round, but I had to backpedal a bit based on my personal incentives. I basically just put the onus on y'all to decide and benefited either way :P. Aoeryi, I don't believe that I am likely to influence the Dustbringer's choice one way or another, so you shouldn't read my suggestions of who is in the hot seat as really being for the shooter. It's more about the people I suggest may be killed - getting reactions like Devo's which defended them.
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: You’ll have to remind me which game 94 was or more specifically, the context of the sphincter tightening I’m pretty sure I misunderstood what you were getting at there with shooting the second most voted player, though. I shy away from black and white thinking in general, especially when based on speculating scenarios that haven’t happened yet. I don't disagree, but it gave me flashbacks of you being waffly in LG94, and - Just now, Archer said: Reluctant role claim: I am a Windrunner. Granting me adhesion because our GM has a sense of humor. So my stance on close votes has evolved a bit over the course of the round, because I benefit from being able to mess with them. It was the discussion topic I'd planned for the round, but I had to backpedal a bit based on my personal incentives. I basically just put the onus on y'all to decide and benefited either way :P. I what. Why the f can't you guys be straightforward to read I was legit on a crack theory of E!Aman trying to get you killed and FUDing me like crazy and then you do this out of nowhere and I'm like ??? Goodbye everyone. I'm getting sleep I cannot handle this thread. I'll be back. Probably.
Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I don't disagree, but it gave me flashbacks of you being waffly in LG94, and - I what. Why the f can't you guys be straightforward to read I was legit on a crack theory of E!Aman trying to get you killed and FUDing me like crazy and then you do this out of nowhere and I'm like ??? Goodbye everyone. I'm getting sleep I cannot handle this thread. I'll be back. Probably. I had a similar reaction Goodnight! ED1T: Quick someone else post so I can shift my vote Edited November 6, 2023 by Amanuensis
Kasimir he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Quick set of comments before nap: -Realising Aeo third voter + Mat CW makes Archer's claim less insane. I thought he was doing the buck wild thing of claiming at two votes even with Aman whipping. -No strong view whether this changes things as I was not voting Archer anyway. -Curious where Archer intends to go from here. -Aman, what would change your Archer read/what changed it? -Accidental SE allnighters are hell and I'm not committing to anything without at least a nap -Ilu all despite being hell to read I am clearly a masochist -Aman, you can double post to vote, don't forget it's legal.
STINK he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Just because its legal doesnt mean you should do it smh 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Kasimir said: Quick set of comments before nap: -Realising Aeo third voter + Mat CW makes Archer's claim less insane. I thought he was doing the buck wild thing of claiming at two votes even with Aman whipping. -No strong view whether this changes things as I was not voting Archer anyway. -Curious where Archer intends to go from here. -Aman, what would change your Archer read/what changed it? -Accidental SE allnighters are hell and I'm not committing to anything without at least a nap -Ilu all despite being hell to read I am clearly a masochist -Aman, you can double post to vote, don't forget it's legal. Thank you! Mat. Archer read hasn’t necessarily changed. Could go either way, but now that he’s claimed I’d rather let him prove it / that he’s not tonight’s killer. @Archer could you remove one of the one votes? Ultimately your decision, but at this stage I don’t think Adhesion is helpful/necessary in affecting todays exe directly.
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