Long Game 92: Process of Elimination

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Channelknight Fadran said:

But they can't lie? Or... couldn't, at least?

That was a joke based on Tani revealing herself as an elim.

[Channelknight Fadran]

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[DrakeMarshall he/him]

7 hours ago, Shining Silhouette said:

I am a strong proponent of E!Drake

Me too, you have no idea how fun that would be for at least one of us

5 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Ftfy, though people who don't Reddit in German probably won't get this

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@DrakeMarshall, of all people, Tallybot got you wrong as well due to that bit of Tani colour-coding :eyes:

3 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

don't forget he killed you

 

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Drake also allegedly tried to shoot you, too... 

This is vile calumny. I do not shoot people, or kill them. I am a devout pacifist.

26 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that one of the dependencies on Amanuensis’s own alignment is Steel’s verification of the lynchbait role? I remain somewhat perturbed by Aman immediately withdrawing himself from the tie after I first announced I held the tie guy role for the cycle.

You are forgiven, but you’re getting Striker and Steel confused.

Striker is the one with the lynchbait role, who was scanned as village by Bookwyrm on D1 and subsequently cleared Aman using the lynchbait role. I think. I didn’t actually read those cycles I’m just going off Ashbringer’s summary.

Steel is the one who copied the Tie Guy role after you, and also apparently scanned as an elim today although that’s unreliable.

16 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Honestly, I hadn’t even registered that e!Bookwyrm was necessary for e!you. I’m trying to play this whilst still in the middle of work, eleven hours into my working day, with no end in sight.

What I actually wanted to do was scan you, because I had thought your alignment was less confirmed in an e!Steel world. I have Bookwyrm’s role this cycle.

I will happily move my vote elsewhere if a scan on someone else would unpick a greater number of dependencies. My other thought had been to scan Steel, so as to tell us whether or not his tie guy result can be trusted.

A scan on Aman would certainly be valid as a reality check.

Other then that, there is a Fae->Wizard dependency, and a JNV->Matrim dependency, so either a scan on Fae or JNV should resolve some dependencies.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Me too, you have no idea how fun that would be for at least one of us

 

This is vile calumny. I do not shoot people, or kill them. I am a devout pacifist.

You are forgiven, but you’re getting Striker and Steel confused.

Striker is the one with the lynchbait role, who was scanned as village by Bookwyrm on D1 and subsequently cleared Aman using the lynchbait role. I think. I didn’t actually read those cycles I’m just going off Ashbringer’s summary.

Steel is the one who copied the Tie Guy role after you, and also apparently scanned as an elim today although that’s unreliable.

A scan on Aman would certainly be valid as a reality check.

Other than that, there is a Fae->Wizard dependency, and a JNV->Matrim dependency, so either a scan on Fae or JNV should resolve some dependencies.

To clarify, I wasn’t getting Steel and Striker confused - the bit I missed was Bookwyrm’s scan of Striker, so had thought that we were reliant on Steel having copied Striker’s role as verification that lynchbait worked as Striker suggested.

For now, then, JNV

[|TJ| he/him]

orlok, if youre village then you know there are 2 elims in your tie guy. 

irrespective of the possibility of e!steel giving false number of redscans to us (i actually do this is an e/e train rn), the 2 elims on the orlok tie guy (v!orlok world) are the either likely to be the ones forced to be on it by the virtue of being on the previous tie guy (ash, mat, and... drake?) or the ones who tried to break the tie in the closing stages and inadvertently ended up on the tie due to missing orlok vote and vote manip shenanigans. poe for this is i need to go back and check but its 2:30am and I just finished up with my work >> 

so @Orlok Tsubodai, id recommend your scan poe to be [ash, mat, drake] + [lads-doing-tie-breaking-shenanigans-only-to-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot (tba)] 

Edited February 9, 2023 by |TJ|
my English ffs, 'break' and not 'brake' -.-

[Amanuensis he/him]

20 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

orlok, if youre village then you know there are 2 elims in your tie guy. 

irrespective of the possibility of e!steel giving false number of redscans to us (i actually do this is an e/e train rn), the 2 elims on the orlok tie guy (v!orlok world) are the either likely to be the ones forced to be on it by the virtue of being on the previous tie guy (ash, mat, and... drake?) or the ones who tried to break the tie in the closing stages and inadvertently ended up on the tie due to missing orlok vote and vote manip shenanigans. poe for this is i need to go back and check but its 2:30am and I just finished up with my work >> 

so @Orlok Tsubodai, id recommend your scan poe to be [ash, mat, drake] + [lads-doing-tie-breaking-shenanigans-only-to-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot (tba)] 

Y'know, since we believe the elims have a roleblocker now, we did never figure out why they didn't RB Book's Scan of Orlok (they instead RBed me, presumably to stop me from protecting anyone)

[Ashbringer he/him]

13 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Y'know, since we believe the elims have a roleblocker now, we did never figure out why they didn't RB Book's Scan of Orlok (they instead RBed me, presumably to stop me from protecting anyone)

They'd know that a V!Wallposter could get trolled to make the target immune to it, and then if they get foiled we have a successful read. Trolls leave us second-guessing everything. It also lets the Troll not always be on the scanner and instead be doing other things.

I do wonder if, especially in an e!TJ world, the Elims don't have a Troll and are just counting on us assuming they do.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

22 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

They'd know that a V!Wallposter could get trolled to make the target immune to it, and then if they get foiled we have a successful read. Trolls leave us second-guessing everything.

sounds like a slip tbh 

39 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Y'know, since we believe the elims have a roleblocker now, we did never figure out why they didn't RB Book's Scan of Orlok (they instead RBed me, presumably to stop me from protecting anyone)

yeah thats weird

so i guess that means either the elims thought you would kill and were scared of that more than they were of a scan, or that Bookwyrm’s scan was tampered with

Bookwyrm’s scan getting tampered with I think requires that Araris is evil since IIRC Araris claimed to have verified Book wasn’t trolled on the night Orlok was scanned

An Araris and Orlok team is a possibility

 

edit; btw can any trolls confirm or deny that self targeting is not possible?

Edited February 9, 2023 by DrakeMarshall

[Amanuensis he/him]

10 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

edit; btw can any trolls confirm or deny that self targeting is not possible?

Just asked. Nope

[Araris Valerian he/him]

As much as I'd like to consider it, e!Ada is one of the less plausible worlds for us right now. I have enough respect for him and his potential gambits that I won't dismiss it, but for now I think his defense of Steel and suspicion of Sart are honest. That being said, I'm still not really convinced about Sart, and if we are going to consider not exeing Steel today, then I'd prefer Fadran as the alternative, since he is the easiest place for the elims to have been able to disrupt a scan from clearing v!Steel. I will also acknowledge that the elims have a lot to gain from stopping that scan, since it keeps us from using the Tie Guy results at all.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Going to go with Steel. I haven’t had time to look through the dependencies of others, but know at least that confirming Steel makes his tie guy scan materially more useful. Still asking for a pinch hitter for myself, too, but not holding out hope

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Going to go with Steel. I haven’t had time to look through the dependencies of others, but know at least that confirming Steel makes his tie guy scan materially more useful. Still asking for a pinch hitter for myself, too, but not holding out hope

Technically, killing him doesn’t help with verifying his alignment :P.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

6 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Going to go with Steel. I haven’t had time to look through the dependencies of others, but know at least that confirming Steel makes his tie guy scan materially more useful. Still asking for a pinch hitter for myself, too, but not holding out hope

 

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Technically, killing him doesn’t help with verifying his alignment :P.

Yea but Orlok has the vote analyst power rn, letting him scan people he votes for

killing Steel and scanning him are non mutually exclusive activities in this game

although this does beg the question of whether its a waste to kill somehody who we will be getting a scan of

which in turn begs the question of how much do i trust Orlok

59 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Just asked. Nope

I suppose its kind of a moot point, since you only get 1 action per night, huh

wait do you? I guess I just kinda assumed that was the case

you are literally the only person we know of who has 2 night abilities so you make an interesting case study 

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I suppose its kind of a moot point, since you only get 1 action per night, huh

wait do you? I guess I just kinda assumed that was the case

you are literally the only person we know of who has 2 night abilities so you make an interesting case study 

Trust me, I wish. One of the first things I considered was trolling my Goalkeep into a Kill, but alas, I can only use one or the other

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Yea but Orlok has the vote analyst power rn, letting him scan people he votes for

killing Steel and scanning him are non mutually exclusive activities in this game

although this does beg the question of whether its a waste to kill somehody who we will be getting a scan of

Ah right.

I think it’s a waste both because Randby already scanned Steel and because he’s up for the exe, but hey, it’s not my scan :P.

[Archer he/him]

5 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Drake also allegedly tried to shoot you, too... 

Also did you get a PM Spider note?

Yeah but that was a love shove. He didn't mean it 

I did receive information! 

4 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that one of the dependencies on Amanuensis’s own alignment is Steel’s verification of the lynchbait role? I remain somewhat perturbed by Aman immediately withdrawing himself from the tie after I first announced I held the tie guy role for the cycle.

Hm

4 hours ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

Steel was just scanned by Randby and scanned to be a bot, but we don't know if she was trolled.

Tallybot is gonna hate you for that

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Y'know, since we believe the elims have a roleblocker now, we did never figure out why they didn't RB Book's Scan of Orlok (they instead RBed me, presumably to stop me from protecting anyone)

Bad something better to do, maybe, in a tight action economy world? Or just that's what they wanted us to see

36 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Going to go with Steel. I haven’t had time to look through the dependencies of others, but know at least that confirming Steel makes his tie guy scan materially more useful. Still asking for a pinch hitter for myself, too, but not holding out hope

But going through the tie guy results POE from your crack at it would hit the nail for firmly on the head, I think

24 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I suppose its kind of a moot point, since you only get 1 action per night, huh

wait do you? I guess I just kinda assumed that was the case

you are literally the only person we know of who has 2 night abilities so you make an interesting case study 

Future thing to think about is whether an elim has double Night actions and can submit a kill with one of them. Helps to avoid mass claiming of actions leading to clears

15 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Ah right.

I think it’s a waste both because Randby already scanned Steel and because he’s up for the exe, but hey, it’s not my scan :P.

This reads as stalling to me on Orlock's part. It moves the exe to either save e!Steel, delay the need to bus him, or allow him to claim he got a green result. Or just claim a convenient RB. 

[Steeldancer he/him]

Alright I made it out of my exam alive

Time to give some effort to catching up 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Steeldancer said:

Alright I made it out of my exam alive

Time to give some effort to catching up 

Look forward to it, since I think you're village o7

[Ashbringer he/him]

I spy a new profile pic 

[Steeldancer he/him]

14 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I spy a new profile pic 

I KNOW ISNT IT BEAUTIFUL ARI DID SO GREAT ON THE COMMISSION

TALN IS LOVE

TALN IS LIFE

So I scanned as an elim. Well something must have gone wrong because I am most definitely not an elim. Not that I'd really mind just dying so I wouldn't have to pay any attention whatsoever. I'll drop a vote on Fadran in the vague interest of self preservation, but I kinda just don't care either way. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

6 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

I KNOW ISNT IT BEAUTIFUL ARI DID SO GREAT ON THE COMMISSION

TALN IS LOVE

TALN IS LIFE

So I scanned as an elim. Well something must have gone wrong because I am most definitely not an elim. Not that I'd really mind just dying so I wouldn't have to pay any attention whatsoever. I'll drop a vote on Fadran in the vague interest of self preservation, but I kinda just don't care either way. 

Honestly believe this.

[Ashbringer he/him]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

I did receive information! 

Well :eyes:

 

Idk if I like a Fadran vote. I like Sart better. Or stick with Steel.

Hi Sart I see you there 

[Biplet she/her]

I am out of town at a professional convention. 

fadran

idk if this is a good idea I can’t really read the thread I’m sorry

[Amanuensis he/him]

VC anyone? Preferably of the accurate variety?

[Ashbringer he/him]

This should be it?

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Vote Tally
Steeldancer (7): Archer, Channelknight Fadran, JNV, The Wandering Wizard, The last Fae in the Woods, DrakeMarshall, Orlok Tsubodai
Channelknight Fadran (4): Matrim's Dice, Araris Valerian, Steeldancer, Biplet
Sart (3): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, TJ

Don’t really like a sudden Fadran push.