Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Amanuensis said: Ah, fair. I’m kind of independently reading him Village anyway? So you think the elims pulled off one of the scenarios I presented? Or do you think one of me/Fadran/Biplet is Elim? Or or you still trying to decide how your prior view on Steel weighs against the odds of the scan being tampered with?
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Random Bystander said: Crap. I don't like being dead. That's annoying. As I am now very, very dead, I would like to confirm that I am, indeed, a villager. Anyway, if I was trolled, Steeldancer is village. If not, Steeldancer is an elim. Also, I'm flipping off whoever killed me. (Just kidding. I'm not mad.) 2 hours ago, Random Bystander said: I'm just wondering if Fadrian's trolling of me worked. 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: He was likely roleblocked because his action failed. Correct. Steeldancer it is. 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: Well, I’m going to vote Steel then. I don’t see a plausible world in which the elims can: 1) Troll Randby 2) Block Fadran from Trolling Randby 3) Account for both myself and Biplet checking if Randby has been Trolled (in theory) I guess if both Fadran and Biplet are elims then this is bad? Fadran could have actually trolled Randby, Bip could have just not scanned, and if the elims have a RB or second Troll then they could have hit me. Another scenario is e!Bip but v!Fadran, which requires the elims to have a Troll and an extra RB, which is maybe less plausible, though it fits with my take on Fadran. I guess for completion’s sake v!Bip and e!Fadran is plausible, again the elims need a way to disrupt both myself and Bip from scanning here though. I will say, Fadran could just be an elim Troll and possibly Confirmed Villager doesn’t exist. Nobody has scanned him, right? Could be he’d just scan as red, but nobody has bothered because of the claim. (>._.)>
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Hmm. @Biplet, who did you scan N4? Gonna be honest, I’m still thinking go for Sart rather than Steel…
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Hmm. @Biplet, who did you scan N4? Gonna be honest, I’m still thinking go for Sart rather than Steel… Why? As I understand it, Sart seems somewhat disengaged with the game (understandable, due to the mechanics), and hasn’t claimed (also understandable, given the claim meta from when he played more often). Is there something else I’m missing? Like, he doesn’t stand out as village, but I would think a red scan would be higher priority, unless you think the elims managed to foil it. Which as I outlined, would require either a decent amount of resources or one of myself/Fadran/Bip to be evil, in which case I would think you’d want to vote one of us.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 The Elims seem to have used a decent amount of resources, no? Roleblock Fadran, then have their own Troll on RandBy. Or don’t and let us (okay, me) tinfoil our way to death. Also Sart has been around. I’ve seen him viewing the thread more than once, and he’s both the only player without a roleclaim and, if TJ is telling the truth, a potential Roleblocker.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: The Elims seem to have used a decent amount of resources, no? Roleblock Fadran, then have their own Troll on RandBy. Or don’t and let us (okay, me) tinfoil our way to death. Also Sart has been around. I’ve seen him viewing the thread more than once, and he’s both the only player without a roleclaim and, if TJ is telling the truth, a potential Roleblocker. So far the only thing we know they did is block Fadran. Or that Fadran is an elim himself. I will say I’m not sure why they’d block Fadran if they didn’t have a way to block the other things though. Barring e!Fadran. Hmm, maybe Ada is right about e!Drake.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Okay let me try to work this out. e!Steel is getting scanned by RandBy. Fadran openly states he will troll RandBy so he knows the result is false. Elims assume I’m going for a kill and not protecting RandBy and they kill him. Tani submits kill Steel is Tie Guy or lied about grabbing Danex’s role e!roleblocker roleblocks Fadran e!Troll trolls RandBy so the result is Village So what reasons beyond this Night action theory make Steel look elim?
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: So far the only thing we know they did is block Fadran. Or that Fadran is an elim himself. I will say I’m not sure why they’d block Fadran if they didn’t have a way to block the other things though. Barring e!Fadran. Hmm, maybe Ada is right about e!Drake. Hmm. Are you assuming that the Elims would need to interfere with all 4 of Biplet/Araris/Fadran/RandBy? We know they messed with Fadran, but my point is we won't be able to tell if they messed with the others. I don't know if they can or did, and I'm fine exeing Steel. I just feel like Sart's slipping through the PoE which makes me nervous.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 We also might want to discuss the PM Spider thing. @Archer don’t you believe the elims would have one of you? Are you suspicious of JNV and Mat?
|TJ| he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 so let me see if there is a possiblity of evil troll in the first place - Player Day/Passive Action Night Action Ashbringer Thread Master/ Veteran - Wizard - PM Spider Steeldancer Pinch-Hitter Fadran Confirmed Villager Troll Striker Lynchbait/Stab Voter - Xino Multiquoter JNV PM Spider Matrim Tunnel Constrictor - Biplet Meme Maker Araris Porch-Sitter Meme Maker Devotary Pinch-Hitter Aman Goalkeeper Troll TUN Goalkeeper Bookwyrm Vote Analyst Tani Roleplayer Archer PM Spider Walin Troll TJ Veteran Wall-Poster Danex Tie Guy Stick/Drake Terminal Seeker Orlok Pinch-Hitter Random Roleplayer Sart Shining Discussion Leader - Fae PM Buddy PM Spider choices are either e!sart is troll (then who is rb??) or e!fadran is lying about his troll failing (not sure, dont think so) or mat actually having a night troll role (again, think its unlikely because we would have probably seen more troll victims?). if we consider these conditions unlikely, then randby was not trolled and her results were accurate. steeldancer sart also - pmers @Archer, @JNV, @The last Fae in the Woods, @The Wandering Wizard yall should have received some info in n4 no? even nights? well?
The Wandering Wizard he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, |TJ| said: also - pmers @Archer, @JNV, @The last Fae in the Woods, @The Wandering Wizard yall should have received some info in n4 no? even nights? well? Biplet did indeed use troll scanning on N2, don't know who she targeted, but she did use it.
|TJ| he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Aman has two Night Actions. bah why did i just realize this, ofc he has to be the only one known to have two night actions smh -.-
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: I will say, Fadran could just be an elim Troll and possibly Confirmed Villager doesn’t exist. Nobody has scanned him, right? Could be he’d just scan as red, but nobody has bothered because of the claim. Or the Confirmed Villager role could be given to elims. Nothing in the description Fadran provided says that it has to be given to villagers, only that it makes people scan as village. And I am fairly sure the humor of making an elim a "confirmed villager" would not be lost on our GMs 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: Ah, fair. I’m kind of independently reading him Village anyway? Alas, this is a democracy 22 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Okay let me try to work this out. e!Steel is getting scanned by RandBy. Fadran openly states he will troll RandBy so he knows the result is false. Elims assume I’m going for a kill and not protecting RandBy and they kill him. Tani submits kill Steel is Tie Guy or lied about grabbing Danex’s role e!roleblocker roleblocks Fadran e!Troll trolls RandBy so the result is Village So what reasons beyond this Night action theory make Steel look elim? Agree, this scan result is fairly inconclusive. Steel could be village, I don't think that's really in question. Or at least, I don't think it should be Steel could also be evil though, and independent of the scan I think Steel's Tie Guy claim is sketchy. Is there a particular reason you village read Steel, or is it more just Vibes:tm: 21 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I just feel like Sart's slipping through the PoE which makes me nervous. Tbf, Sart got like 4 votes at the beginning of this day turn, so I don't think Sart is slipping under the radar exactly 13 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Player Day/Passive Action Night Action Ashbringer Thread Master/ Veteran - Wizard - PM Spider Steeldancer Pinch-Hitter Fadran Confirmed Villager Troll Striker Lynchbait/Stab Voter - Xino Multiquoter JNV PM Spider Matrim Tunnel Constrictor - Biplet Meme Maker Araris Porch-Sitter Meme Maker Devotary Pinch-Hitter Aman Goalkeeper Troll TUN Goalkeeper Bookwyrm Vote Analyst Tani Roleplayer Archer PM Spider Walin Troll TJ Veteran Wall-Poster Danex Tie Guy Stick/Drake Terminal Seeker Orlok Pinch-Hitter Random Roleplayer Sart Shining Discussion Leader - Fae PM Buddy PM Spider Goalkeeper is strictly a night action right? Aman has 2 different night actions to choose between, not 1 day and 1 night. Which is interesting, because if not for that I would conclude that people aren't given role combinations that result in having 2 different night actions. On a mostly unrelated note, if dead elims can take kill actions, can they be roleblocked? Edit: Ash ninja'd me Edited February 8, 2023 by DrakeMarshall
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 I’m heavily considering a Sart/Drake/Mat/JNV world right now lol.
Archer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 6 hours ago, The Wandering Wizard said: I don't have a second role, all I have is PM spider and the not very useful information that Biplet scanned someone for trolling N2. Did you get a PM Spider result about a previous round, or is that repetition of previous results? 2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'll vote on Steel for now. I'm guessing people don't want me to construct a tunnel today? You should save that for exlo. It makes a hammer harder to do because it eliminates the allure of side trains and prevents an exe on the GMs. 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Gonna be honest, I’m still thinking go for Sart rather than Steel… This is a very bold take about someone scanned elim. 29 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Are you assuming that the Elims would need to interfere with all 4 of Biplet/Araris/Fadran/RandBy? Really they only had to mess with three players, since Araris removed himself from the chain. We can't reasonably expect that all four players were messed up, but three and Araris wasn't targeted but lucky for them it didn't matter, seems more believable. I'm looking at e!Araris from that. 26 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: We also might want to discuss the PM Spider thing. @Archer don’t you believe the elims would have one of you? Are you suspicious of JNV and Mat? There's four PM Spiders, so 1/4 being evil would fit with general distribution trends. But I'm hesitant to do distro speculation like that because of the possibility of unclaimed Spiders, an elim PM spying role, or just GM Trolling. I wouldn't say it's necessary because an elim getting to PM 3 or so people over the course of the game isn't super helpful. That said, e!JNV fits really nicely 21 minutes ago, |TJ| said: also - pmers @Archer, @JNV, @The last Fae in the Woods, @The Wandering Wizard yall should have received some info in n4 no? even nights? well? Correct! Steeldancer Sart
The Wandering Wizard he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Archer said: Did you get a PM Spider result about a previous round, or is that repetition of previous results? 2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: I was told that she troll scanned someone N2 and that was it.
Archer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said: I was told that she troll scanned someone N2 and that was it. That is a fascinating result because it indicates that we can retroactively check claims. We should take advantage of that N7. You getting the actual action reveals their role too. You're not assuming her action right, that's specifically what was said to you? 20 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I’m heavily considering a Sart/Drake/Mat/JNV world right now lol. Anything with Drake kind of works for me because it gives a logical reason for the Tani claim. Why not Steel?
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Tbf, Sart got like 4 votes at the beginning of this day turn, so I don't think Sart is slipping under the radar exactly And how many votes does he have now? But yeah, he's not exactly slipping under the radar, but he's doing what Shining ended up doing where there was always someone more urgent to get investigated. That and Sart has directly not engaged at points.
The Wandering Wizard he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Archer said: That is a fascinating result because it indicates that we can retroactively check claims. We should take advantage of that N7. You getting the actual action reveals their role too. You're not assuming her action right, that's specifically what was said to you? 24 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Yes, I was told that she scanned for trolls N2.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, The last Fae in the Woods said: Steeldancer Fae, did you get a PM Spider info piece?
Tea Leaf Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Ashbringer said: Fae, did you get a PM Spider info piece? No. Didn't see when the night was.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Random Bystander said: Crap. I don't like being dead. That's annoying. As I am now very, very dead, I would like to confirm that I am, indeed, a villager. Anyway, if I was trolled, Steeldancer is village. If not, Steeldancer is an elim. Also, I'm flipping off whoever killed me. (Just kidding. I'm not mad.) Wait. I'm so confused. I had thought RandBy said Steel scanned Village by the wording. This is a red check? ED1T: I see. Fadran says his Troll was roleblocked, so e!Steel is revealed elim. So we think the elims would spend a roleblock without trolling the result too? That's...? Edited February 8, 2023 by Amanuensis
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Yeah... what's the point of roleblocking me if I just know I'm roleblocked? It's not like they're hiding any information.
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