Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I feel like this VC fits with e!Elk better than with e!Insanity. In the v!Insanity world, you are elim way more often than Archer or Tani. And your reluctance to vote Elk makes me think that is the case more and more. The v!Insanity world is you+Elk+Turtle or just you+Elk. And that's the thing; Elk fits as elim with basically anyone that isn't Shining. Maybe even with Shining, since you don't seem to agree with me on their antagonism. I'm pretty sure in an e!Archer world I die D3 instead of Stick, Kas gets Nked, and Archer just runs thread control and wins from there. Bussing is a strictly suboptimal scenario given that neither Kas nor I was making anything like a solid argument against Stick, and Archer's reasoning was basically "Her votes look like where elims would vote". That's not the kind of suspicion you bus with, IMO, or at least not how you open the bus, given literally nobody else has mentioned suspicion up to this point. I feel my take here is fairly qualified in this regard. Fair enough. I wasn't here for Day 3 so I can't really judge it the same as you. For me, it has a lot less weight than all the contradictions I've been finding in his posts now that I'm looking into him without rose-colored glasses / preconceptions from before I tagged in. Regardless, I'm as certain of e!Insanity as I can be, so we shouldn't have to cross that bridge. It's possible the reason Insanity voted me over Elk is because they're partnered too, so I'm sorta okay with a tie between them. My only real concern at this moment is the rest of the elims hammering me + using their vote manip to seal the deal and win. That said, I could see a reality where e!Archer initially started the Stick votes to turbo distance, not expecting anyone to legitimately follow along because, as you put it, literally nobody mentioned suspicion of Stick until that point, and thus he could have deemed it safe. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen e!Archer fumble with a suboptimal play too, given the last game I played, e!Archer tried to go after v!me on D1 and I turned it around on him to get him immediately voted out. Aaaaand, Ninja! (3) Insanity: Elkanah, Aman, Archer, (4) Elkanah: Araris, Silhouette, Tani, Insanity, Okay. I'm no longer in obvious danger of a hammer. Cool. Honestly considering switching to Elk myself, if only to prevent it from happening later. ED1T: V: Araris N+: Tani N: Archer Elkanah Turtle N-: Silho E: Insanity ATM I think Silho is the most likely partner of Insanity. They joined my vote on Insanity only to back off very quickly and return to Elkanah at the first chance they had. If there's a 5th, it's one of the 3 in the N-tier. Edited December 8, 2022 by Ookla the Remembered
Archer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said: @InfiniteInsanity could you please switch your vote onto Elkanah? Nobody is going to exe Aman this turn (at least I don't think they will). Is there anything stopping this from being e!Insanity and e!Elk? That's my immediate thought about why they voted Aman. I don't know why e!Aman takes the time to criticise me, an e!Insanity voter, if they're trying to help e!Elk. At this point I don't think I'm gonna come up with any brilliant deduction that warrants really pushing one of these two over the other so here's some vote padding: insanity Elk. Random side note, why wasn't Araris roleblocked by the elims? Was it a waste of resources or maybe Silh and Turtle were both going to be mixes...
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 Quoting my edit in case Archer / Araris missed it: 10 minutes ago, Ookla the Remembered said: ED1T: V: Araris N+: Tani N: Archer Elkanah Turtle N-: Silho E: Insanity ATM I think Silho is the most likely partner of Insanity. They joined my vote on Insanity only to back off very quickly and return to Elkanah at the first chance they had. If there's a 5th, it's one of the 3 in the N-tier. Just now, Ookla the Paragrapher said: Is there anything stopping this from being e!Insanity and e!Elk? That's my immediate thought about why they voted Aman. I don't know why e!Aman takes the time to criticise me, an e!Insanity voter, if they're trying to help e!Elk. At this point I don't think I'm gonna come up with any brilliant deduction that warrants really pushing one of these two over the other so here's some vote padding: insanity Elk. Random side note, why wasn't Araris roleblocked by the elims? Was it a waste of resources or maybe Silh and Turtle were both going to be mixes... I also just acknowledged the possibility of a Stick/Chantara/Elkanah/Insanity team. It could work. So I guess I'm fine with this turn of events. I just personally would rather vote out Insanity, who I'm genuinely suspicious of, over Elk who only feels like a PoE vote. Sorry for criticizing you (unless you're evil, in which case, aha!). I had no intention to do that going into that reread, I just found myself kinda confused in retrospect because while I found that first post of yours D5 very helpful coming into the game, it felt off now that I've been more directly involved. (5) Elkanah: Araris, Silhouette, Tani, Insanity, Archer, (2) Insanity: Elkanah, Aman, My guess would be whoever put the kill on Alv had to also put the kill on JNV, and thus couldn't use the Kalak RB.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said: Random side note, why wasn't Araris roleblocked by the elims? Was it a waste of resources or maybe Silh and Turtle were both going to be mixes... I could have been roleblocked. I wouldn’t know since I sent in a roleblock myself, which is at the same place in the OOA.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I could have been roleblocked. I wouldn’t know since I sent in a roleblock myself, which is at the same place in the OOA. I would actually cackle if Silho had the Kalak blade and used it to RB you last night ED1T: Since Insanity is now off the table, I might as well consolidate on Elkanah. @Ashbringer (6) Elkanah: Araris, Silhouette, Tani, Insanity, Archer, Aman, (1) Insanity: Elkanah, I'm very tired from an exhausting morning + my melatonin kicking in, so I think I'll call it a night. Crossing my fingers for a 2nd red flip in a row x See y'all on the other side Edited December 8, 2022 by Ookla the Remembered
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Author Posted December 8, 2022 LG91 Night 6: A Bladeless Art The remaining citizens of Earthen Truth gathered, save one. There were only eight now. One for each Honorblade they still had. Who knows who held what or how many though. They considered asking. The issue was, one of them was still Truthless. Sun-son-son-Tzu. With him gone, getting the truth should be much easier. But Sun had been loyal, and held no deceit about this. Nor any Honorblades. Elkanah was executed! They were a member of the Shin High Council! Jezrien's Honorblade has been reclaimed or redistributed! Vote Count: Elkanah (6): Araris Valerian, Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair, Amanuensis / Ookla the Remembered, InfiniteInsanity, Archer / Ookla the Paragrapher, Tani / Ookla the Implosion InfiniteInsanity (1): Elkanah @ookla the POKE VOTE is under final warning for inactivity! They will be replaced by a pinch hitter or filter-killed if they do not post this turn. (I believe I have a pinch hitter but not 100% confirmed yet.) The turn will end on Thursday, December 8th at 11:00 PM PST. Spoiler @ookla the POKE VOTE / Turtle- Evelt-son-Urtal @Araris Valerian - Hadrian-son-Penrod Ookla the Unknown / The Unknown Novel - Dali-son-Nar - Shin High Council The Wandering Wizard - Tweedle-son-son-Dumb - Shin High Council Ookla the Tall / Matrim's Dice - Dazi-son-ron - Shin High Council JNV - Jen-child-Verin - Shin High Council, Bearer of Jezrien's Honorblade Ookla the Perpetual / The Bookwyrm - Rizam-son-Azram - Shin High Council @Ookla the Debonair / Shining Silhouette - Cheshire-son-Cat @Ookla the Remembered / Amanuensis - Ookla the Forgotten / xinoehp512 - Jet-son-Blanc Kasimir - Kvaseth-son-Wysan - Shin High Council @InfiniteInsanity Chantara - Tukari Invader, Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade _Stick_ - Tukari Invader, Bearer of Shalash's Honorblade Cash67 - Egg-son-Chicken - Shin High Council, Bearer of Battar's Honorblade Illwei - Shin High Council, Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade @Ookla the Paragrapher / Archer - Tweedle-son-Dee Alvron - Izzy-daughter-Ammi - Stone Shaman, Bearer of Kalak's Honorblade @Ookla the Implosion / Tani - Daalna Elkanah - Sun-son-son-Tsu - Shin High Council Ookla the Omnicient / Szeth_Pancakes - Shin High Council 3
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 Welp, guess we better hope there are only 2 elims left, otherwise we are pretty much toast.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Oof. 4 hours ago, Ookla the Debonair said: :/ 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: Welp, guess we better hope there are only 2 elims left, otherwise we are pretty much toast. Took the words right outta my mouth =\ If I'm the NK, Insanity + Silho is my best bet, with Turtle and Archer as the only possible last partner (in decreasing order of likelihood). Tinfoil theory is an Archer + Tani team, as I'd posited last night, but Occam's Razor probably applies. Assuming v!Tani and v!Paliah, there is a decent chance the kill gets blocked. Main issue is Kalak roleblocking Tani and Paliah having no Stormlight left (or Almighty forbid, Turtle has the Paliah blade too). @InfiniteInsanity Please remember to use Tension on Araris, that way he can at least rule you out as tonight's killer. On that note tho, Elkanah didn't kill JNV, and whoever did it surely has Jezrien's blade now. Transformation from Shallash and Battar would be extremely useful, as finding that or Kalak's blade on someone would effectively amount to an alignment scan. Potential N5 killers subset: <Aman, Insanity, Archer, Tani> Insanity + Turtle team works, leaving Insanity alone and forcing them to put in the kill (no one else) Me + Turtle team works, given no one could keep me accountable Insanity + Archer team works, suggesting Insanity pumped Archer with Stormlight and Archer submitted the kills Archer + Tani team works, with Archer being the serial killer and Tani being the e!Protector 11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: I feel like this VC fits with e!Elk better than with e!Insanity. In the v!Insanity world, you are elim way more often than Archer or Tani. And your reluctance to vote Elk makes me think that is the case more and more. The v!Insanity world is you+Elk+Turtle or just you+Elk. And that's the thing; Elk fits as elim with basically anyone that isn't Shining. Maybe even with Shining, since you don't seem to agree with me on their antagonism. I'm pretty sure in an e!Archer world I die D3 instead of Stick, Kas gets Nked, and Archer just runs thread control and wins from there. Bussing is a strictly suboptimal scenario given that neither Kas nor I was making anything like a solid argument against Stick, and Archer's reasoning was basically "Her votes look like where elims would vote". That's not the kind of suspicion you bus with, IMO, or at least not how you open the bus, given literally nobody else has mentioned suspicion up to this point. I feel my take here is fairly qualified in this regard. Edit: I'm also not sure that after we exed Chantara for having no good excuse for not having protected anyone that e!Insanity would... do the same thing? Once the honorblade list went out it would be easy to fabricate some actions that make sense and look more villagery than doing absolutely nothing. Just saw this edit and wanted to respond to it. If Insanity's last partner is Turtle + with Stick and Chantara dead, there's really no one to help Insanity fabricate actions, and based on my understanding of their mafia experience, I don't know if they'd attempt to in fear of getting caught in a lie. Also, if Insanity's partner is Archer, there's this: On 12/6/2022 at 2:22 PM, Ookla the Paragrapher said: I think that's a logical conclusion. But you have to consider the player profile. I can see v!Insanity not prioritizing farming Stormlight for other people because they want to keep the manip option open or they haven't thought it through that much. I'd be really careful about condemning players for sub optimal play. Which, given Archer knows Insanity's player profile, means he could've coached to claim nothing so this reasoning could be given, or Insanity said they did nothing before Archer could give them advice and this was his attempt to get pressure off his last teammate ED1T: @Ashbringer what happens if Tension is used on someone who doesn't possess a blade? Does their base Stormlight (2) still go up to (4), or does it work like the Highstorm and only those with blades can gain more Stormlight? Edited December 8, 2022 by Ookla the Remembered
Archer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 @Ashbringer what are two roleblockers told when they target each other? Double fail or double success? Insanity has to be the culprit. It's Aman otherwise. If it is Aman in a two elim world, protecting Araris needs to be top priority, Tani, because the extra kill can make it 1v:2e not 2v:1e eventually. We can safely lose anyone else.
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 If the elims are smart, they'll target me because no one will be protecting me
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said: Insanity has to be the culprit. It's Aman otherwise. If it is Aman in a two elim world, protecting Araris needs to be top priority, Tani, because the extra kill can make it 1v:2e not 2v:1e eventually. We can safely lose anyone else. Welcome to where I was yesterday tbh a part of the reason I wanted Insanity dead sooner rather than later was to dispel any remaining concerns about me. 7 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said: If the elims are smart, they'll target me because no one will be protecting me
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ookla the Remembered said: sotp 'ninjaing' me 37 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said: Insanity has to be the culprit. It's Aman otherwise. If it is Aman in a two elim world, protecting Araris needs to be top priority, Tani, because the extra kill can make it 1v:2e not 2v:1e eventually. We can safely lose anyone else. Aman if you're trolling me I will not be surprised Actually it would be funny
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Ookla the Debonair said: sotp 'ninjaing' me Aman if you're trolling me I will not be surprised Actually it would be funny Sorry it's just hard not to read most of your posts as open wolfing / trolling myself If you really are village tho, I doubt you die tonight, lack of protection or no. Archer is right that everyone but Araris is expendable for the Village at this point, since he's got the kill blade and there's a total of 0 people who would vote for him.
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Author Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said: @Ashbringer what are two roleblockers told when they target each other? Double fail or double success? Double success, because nothing's technically stopping either action.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Double success, because nothing's technically stopping either action. What about my question 2 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said: ED1T: @Ashbringer what happens if Tension is used on someone who doesn't possess a blade? Does their base Stormlight (2) still go up to (4), or does it work like the Highstorm and only those with blades can gain more Stormlight?
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Author Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) ... oh whoops 3 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said: @Ashbringer what happens if Tension is used on someone who doesn't possess a blade? Does their base Stormlight (2) still go up to (4), or does it work like the Highstorm and only those with blades can gain more Stormlight? Yes, Tension can grant Stormlight to someone who doesn't have an Honorblade. Edited December 8, 2022 by Ashbringer T
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, Ashbringer said: ... oh whoops Yes, tension can grant Stormlight to someone who doesn't have an Honorblade. Interesting, ty
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 And apparently you can't preempt getting targeted by Tension with a Transformation action .
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: And apparently you can't preempt getting targeted by Tension with a Transformation action . Quote Night: Illumination Transportation Progression Elim Kill / Division Abrasion / Tension Shaman Reclaim Honorblade Transfer Gravitation / Transformation You have Battar's blade, right? You could use Transformation to scan a player for any contraband blades, I think. @Ashbringer that works, right? Tension fills up Araris' stores and he gets to use Transformation on someone? Edited December 8, 2022 by Ookla the Remembered
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Remembered said: You have Battar's blade, right? You could use Transformation to scan a player for any contraband blades, I think. @Ashbringer that works, right? Tension fills up Araris' stores and he gets to use Transformation on someone? Nope, I asked in my GM PM.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said: Nope, I asked in my GM PM. Oh, I read your original post as Transportation lmao. I'm dumb sorry
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Author Posted December 8, 2022 Basically although Transformation (and Gravitation) are last on the OoA so they can see certain changes, the actual action submission has to happen first and the eight Surges need to behave in mostly similar ways. Otherwise only those two Surges would be allowed to be used with no Stormlight in the event of a Tension-ing. (Another thing on this vein, although it matters less now - Transformation and Gravitation don’t fail if the Honorblade they’re using is Reclaimed.) May need to do something weird in the OoA in future games with these to better show that but idk.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Basically although Transformation (and Gravitation) are last on the OoA so they can see certain changes, the actual action submission has to happen first and the eight Surges need to behave in mostly similar ways. Otherwise only those two Surges would be allowed to be used with no Stormlight in the event of a Tension-ing. (Another thing on this vein, although it matters less now - Transformation and Gravitation don’t fail if the Honorblade they’re using is Reclaimed.) May need to do something weird in the OoA in future games with these to better show that but idk. Okie dokie. Good to know, thanks. I guess all we can really do tonight is pray the kill gets blocked / there are only 2 elims left.
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