Haelbarde

I'm amused that the Cultists tried to bind Meta's hands by poisoning him and throwing him into Elantris and instead, all that did was restrict him to only scanning Bort. One of their own.

 

It's safe to say that Dow is not a Cultist. I'd pretty much already assumed that, but with how hard Bort's been gunning for him, it's nearly certain. I also rather doubt Wonko/Sart is, since Bort switched the votes two cycles in a row onto Wonko. That one's less certain, but I think it's about 80%. Ostrich likely isn't a Cultist either, since Bort switched Ostrich's vote at least once and he's also voting for him right now.

 

Personally, I'm rather suspicious of Hael, and not because Bort said that he trusts him (if anything, that would make me less suspicious of Hael, but Bort's been doing a lot of things that I wouldn't attribute to an eliminator, like going head to head with me in a pretty decent argument in-thread). Hael's vote on Bort at the beginning of this turn seemed slightly contrived, particularly with how easily he retracted it. It was almost like he placed a vote knowing that he needed to because Bort had voted for Phatt, but they'd worked out a way in the doc for Bort to explain it enough for Hael to retract.

I voted Bort because he had put that vote Phat. Borta response satisfied me at face value. I was hoping that we'd hear from Elantris, and was going to wait for that, instead pressuring Ostrich in case he'd finally grace us with his presence. But now that Elantris has made contact, I'll switch my vote back to Bort.

Edit: Color and typo.

Now that I'm home and actually have time to read, I'll clarify myself - I would potentially vote (or not vote) for RP reasons if it didn't matter, though I would try to only do so if it didn't matter. Endangering a priest 'for RP reason's' is not a good idea, but I know I've not exactly carefully thought out my actions - I'm pretty sure a bunch of you have picked me up on that. So, I was willing to give Bort the benefit of the doubt until Elantris made contact, or Meta returned.

I'm hoping that people have contacted Elantris and just haven't had the opportunity to get back on and relay information...

And the vote tallies:

Vote Tally (with history):

Bort{4}: Seonid, Haelbarde<1>, Wilson, Emerald

Clanky{0}: Araris<1>

Wyrm{1}: Kasimir

Ostrich{3}: Wyrm, Bort, Haelbarde <2>

Wilson{0}: Kipper

Claincy{1}: (Kipper)

Vote Tally:

Bort{4*}: Seonid, Wilson*, Emerald

Wyrm{1}: Kasimir

Ostrich{3}: Wyrm, Bort, Haelbarde

Wilson{0**}: Kipper**

Claincy{1**}: (Kipper**)

I do not feel inclined to read Galdalf. 

So let us go with:

Read: Dumbledore

Supply: Gandalf

Elect: Ged

The three Five Scholars we know the least about: Arsteel, Yesteel, Shashara

I'm going to say, read Vasher, supply Rincewind, and elect Trell, even though I don't know who that is. Time to move this one along.

 

Adolin, Renarin, and Thorin Oakenshield.

Well the obvious answer would be:

Renarin: Read

Thorin: Supply

Adolin: Elect

But who wants obvious.

I think Thorin would be boring to read, so lets go:

Adolin: Read

Renarin: Supply - channelling WoK' 

Thorin: Elect

My first thought would be the Sanderson Elimination mods: Little Wilson, Gamma Fiend, Metacognition

But lets go with: Wayne (Alloy of Law), Vivenna (Warbreaker), Silence (Shadows for Silence)

Bah. I had figured from your Wyrm vote was a Dula test, but I didn't work out the list. I was guessing that it could be maybe a list of who's most likely to have a Seon. I didn't want to comment on either though. 

Your welcome . 

GM Question: Can I designate an heir for 'Official Quick Link Poster'?

Well, I think for the moment, I'm going to put my vote on Ostrich, because it really has been long enough. 

We can pretend I did not ninja you, if it makes you feel any better Also, they're just technical terms because I don't trust myself to remember the actual symbols and truth tables correctly. Yes, I'm doing advanced formal logic...but that doesn't mean I'm not completely pants at it

It's great for making one sound smart thought.

Slightly off topic, I had a couple other ideas for Elimination games, and this time, when I checked, you didn't already have a game that did the same thing. So now I've just got to hope you don't ninja me in posting them.

Sorry, I ninja-ed you there when I realised I shouldn't have used the bi-conditional and should've stuck to the simple conditional. This happens when you do too much modal logic: your basic propositional logic starts to get funky

Aww... Also, big words D:. I've only come across iff in mathematical proofs.

Note to self: Keep an eye on Hael for future games.

Bother. I'm going to need to compile a list of people's lists that I've made it on. :/

In strict terms of propositional logic, the two statements are not logically equivalent. Fortunately for us, because we know of the Gyorn's targeting restrictions, they do conveniently come out equivalent: to say that either Luckat must be the Odiv or you cannot be the Gyorn is therefore equivalent in this case to saying if and only if you are the Gyorn, Luckat must be the Odiv.

Yay, formal logic, but not true. iff (if and only if) means that the statements are completely reversible. But we could not say that Bort = Gyron iff Lukat = Odiv, because another player as Gyorn could have made Lukat Odiv, and only one of them did converts.

The way I worded it was a bit weird though - If Bort = Gyron, then Lukat = Odiv (but words) would have been better.

Edit: Ninja-ed by the M'Hael. Alas. Such is life.

 

Ha. My turn for once.  

Thanks for the welcome back, Hael

You're welcome, Bort.

Possibly worth adding to the Meta entry that if he's not got a ploy going on, that he's then the priest. (It's obvious I know, but in the interest of completeness)

I would agree I would like to hear from Bort. Or Meta (or some spokesperson), regarding Bort. Like Seonid said, you were already slightly suspicious (to Kas anyway, enough that he targetted you with poison), but then you helped get Phattemer dangerously close to becoming Hoed. 

(Edit: Greened the vote)

• Signups
• Day 1 - Fel/Mek Lynched.
• Night 1 - Orlok Killed, Zas converted.
• Day 2 - Spencer Lynched.
• Night 2 - Cultist and Gyorn targets protected by pendants. Phattemer allegedly Cultist target.
• Day 3 - Mailliw73 Lynched.
• Night 3 - Bort was poisoned, someone else saved from Cultists.
• Day 4 - Winter discovered to be a Cultist and Lynched. Wyrmhero and Emerald join the game.
• Night 4 - Phattemer killed, Meta probably poisoned.
• Day 5 - Honey Badger, a Citizen Pirate, was lynched. His hostage, Zas (a Cultist), died with him.
• Night 5 - Jindo Warrior prevents the Cultist killing, Alvron taken by Shaod, Bort returns from Elantris.
• Day 6 - Present Day

I'm touched that you all decided to wait for me to get home so I could post my links before saying anything.

Well done Jindo Priest(s). Welcome back Bort, I guess... Was it Alvron who said he wished he could go to Elantris?

EDIT:

Believe it or not I would love to end up in Elantris.  The secrets hidden there intrigue me.  I am looking forward to the end game just so I can see what Hero/Tulir came up with.

What do you mean, Jain? A repeat of last time? I'm assuming this is referring to some game I wasn't in?

He's referring to the start of Night 1 of this game, where he put some thought into what the Gyorn could be planning. He's asking in advance this time because last time a number of people came down hard on him for giving the Gyorn suggestions.

Wilson was converted after Bort was poisoned, correct? This would then suggest that either Luckat is Odiv, or Bort is not Gyorn. I guess that either is possible, but I suspect that the latter is more likely. I guess we'll find out soon enough if Bort gets scanned by Meta.

• Signups
• Day 1 - Fel/Mek Lynched.
• Night 1 - Orlok Killed, Zas converted.
• Day 2 - Spencer Lynched.
• Night 2 - Cultist and Gyorn targets protected by pendants. Phattemer allegedly Cultist target.
• Day 3 - Mailliw73 Lynched.
• Night 3 - Bort was poisoned, someone else saved from Cultists.
• Day 4 - Winter discovered to be a Cultist and Lynched. Wyrmhero and Emerald join the game.
• Night 4 - Phattemer killed, Meta probably poisoned.
• Day 5 - Honey Badger, a Citizen Pirate, was lynched. His hostage, Zas (a Cultist), died with him.

Well I guess we don't have to worry about scanning Zas any longer. So thank you Honey for saving us a lynch.

EDIT:

My vote tally:

Vote Tally 

Clanky{2}: Araris, Emerald

Alvron{2}: Wyrm, dowanx

Araris{1}: Haelbarde

Honey Badger{3}: Clanky, Kipper, Alvron
Kasimir{?}: Kasimir

Ostrich{1}: a smart guy

Luckat{1}: Honey Badger

Bort{1}: Seonid

As far as I can see, no vote shennanigans.

I think it is better to go off of your own weak suspicion than to tag along with somebody else's hunch that is based off of PMs you don't even have access to. 

That is very much fair enough, and I did think afterwards "should have just gone with Bort". But I was out and didn't have the opportunity to change it, so sorry. 

Believe it or not I would love to end up in Elantris.  The secrets hidden there intrigue me.  I am looking forward to the end game just so I can see what Hero/Tulir came up with.

Would agree with you here. 

And while we wait in eager anticipation, a final vote count as far as I can see:

Vote Tally 

Luckat{1}: Honey Badger

Kasimir{?}: Kasimir

Ostrich{1}: a smart guy

Clanky{2}: Araris, Emerald

Alvron{2}: Wyrm, dowanx

Honey Badger{3}: Clanky, Kipper, Alvron

Araris{1}: Haelbarde

Bort{1}: Seonid

Nope. It's not a originally a comic (though there might be a graphic novel) and as far as I know it hasn't been made into a TV series or anything.

The thief, the prince, and their companions sneak past a something left by someone walking in circles to find a fake house while looking for a plant

to be clear: I was out camping the past two days, and just finished reading up on the thread, thoughts forthcoming in a little while.

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Vote Tally

Luckat{3}: Wilson*, Honey Badger

Kasimir{1}: Kasimir

Ostrich{1}: a smart guy

Clanky{1}: Araris

Alvron{1}: Wyrm

If I vote I'm going to have to do it within the next hour, as I'll be out till about 9:30 MDT.

The thief accompanies the prince on a long journey to find a plant.

@Hael

There is certainly a small possibility that Meta and Kas are evil. Since Kas is one of the ones that you possibly suspect, I'll defend him instead of him defending himself. Sorry if I overlap, Kas.

1. Meta and Kas are too valuable to lose to the Eliminator team. Seriously, if this deception was uncovered, that's THREE Cultists right off the bat.

2. If this plot had really been a plot, Winter, I think, would have fought more in the thread. Maybe not that much harder, but she wouldn't have just keeled over. When Eliminators have a plot, they have a basic desire to see it implemented correctly. In my opinion, what Winter was doing after Meta outed her was trolling.

Of course, if just Meta was an Eliminator, that would mean the Eliminator team would lose one and not two, if the plot was uncovered. I don't know, does Meta have a better reputation as a manipulator or a strategist?

Hael, I can't take my vote off you right now. You seem to be making strategies that are implausible from the get-go, just to get us to talk about them.

That's entirely fair enough. I disagree that it's implausible (well, focused on Meta), but I'd agree that it's improbable. And I'm sorry that it's distracted discussion off of peoples personal suspicions.

My views on peoples at the moment:

People I Trust

Cleared

• Meta - Willing to trust him for the time being (obviously not entirely, but I do believe the chances of him being evil are quite low. Will reevaluate a few cycles later)
• Renegade,  Neo, Twei, Wilson, Kas - confirmed by phattemer/meta. Yes I'm aware people can become Odiv but for the moment, Cultists are the bigger concern. Also, Gyorn/Odiv can't kill us, and don't necessarily need us dead. 

Other

• Wonko/Sart - Trusted Wonko,  don't have a read on Sart, being his first day
• Dowanx - First part of the game, had some strategy discussion, but was then sick from the 28th, but has started posting again - I think I'd agree with what he had to say in analysis. I would want a bit more time to consolidate my opinion though.
• Seonid - Has had an extended dialogue with Meta. I'm presuming that Meta doesn't outright distrust them. Going to operate under the assumption that they're probably fairly trustworthy until Meta (or anyone else - don't think people have complaints with Seonid?)

People I Don't Trust

• Bort - I would agree with what Dowanx had to say in his analysis post. I'd be equally happy to lynch as to let Meta do his thing. 
• Zas - I think people feel he's probably a Cultist? But can't do all that much necessarily sitting as Hoed. We should take him out eventually though.
• Alvron - Has been moderately active, but hasn't had much to say beyond Gyorn/Pirate considerations.
• Ostrich - inactive, though I suspect he should now be about to be replaced - 17th shard says he hasn't been online in over 2 days, and he hasn't posted full stop for two and a half weeks.

People I'm Not Sure About

• Mckeedee - While hasn't been super active, when he's posted he's usually contributed something useful. I would put him borderline trustworthy - don't have enough on him to say, I think.
• Kipper - Suspects me, but that's okay. I would suspect me too. Has been quite active and tried to be useful, having had some useful things to say. Don't necessarily trust him though.
• Wyrm - Just replace Aonar. Aonar didn't do much, so it'd hard to say. Wyrm so far has been useful enough, but I think we need more time to tell.
• Honey Badger - Just as new as me. Hasn't said much, but seems to be another one of the people that's had school to worry about for the present. Gut feeling says he's citizen (roleless/pirate). 
• Clanky - Fairly quiet. Will reserve judgement for a bit longer. Would tend towards not trusting him. He also (I don't think), ever gave me a future reading :/
• Lightsworn Panda - Hasn't done a lot since the start - most of his posts have been spent defending himself after voting for Wonko once.
• Emerald - Problem is that Piff didn't do anything, and Emerald has only really posted once. He did call out a few people when he did though - Bort, Alvron, Clanky, and Surgebound
• Surgebound - has had school stuff. Or had an animation project on the 1 June. He did then pop back in on the 4th. Has been online today, but we've not heard anything. 
• Luckat - Posts once every 2-3 days. Hasn't contributed very much, other than notifying us about the activities of the Gyorn.

Inactive List:

(By which I mean people who've are barely (or not even) posting, as I see it, anyway)

• Luckat
• Surgebound
• Emerald
• Ostrich

I disagree that Meta would throw a fellow Eliminator under the bus just to win. It wasn't necessary, as neither of them were under massive suspicion, and even if they were, I don't think Meta is the sort of person to value winning over the fun of the players. Could he be? Well, I guess he could, but all signs point to no, in my opinion.

 

I'm still suspicious of Haelbarde. I mean, now I am looking at him, he suddenly posts a lot in a short period of time. It's a little unfortunate, but changing playstyles like that on a dime looks rather strange to me. I am also not sure who else I am suspicious of at the moment, though I understand where Wilson's coming from when it comes to luckat. The issue is, as Kas said, we have about six or so players talking a lot, and that's not enough.

 

Of the people currently up to dance the hemp fandango, I am mostly suspicious of Haelbarde, ostrich and luckat. We don't want a tie in this vote, but I'm not sure who I would vote for anyway. I think that, as a show of good faith for Haelbarde's long posts, I'm going to move my vote from him.

 

I am however a bit edgy when it comes to Alvron, at the moment. He has seemed to turn up after being called out a bit. You say you were Gyorn-hunting, so what suspicions have you for that?

Like I said, I not convince myself. I just felt he had opportunity to do that, but wasn't sure if it was likely. A few of you have now said that's not the sort of thing he'd do, and so I'm fine with that. I just wanted to put it out there. I prefer to talk more, like the last few posts (see QF7), but I've found it harder to get in to this game. (Also, I did get killed round 2 in MR6 Didn't want to talk too much at the start in case we got a repeat). I'll clarify my previous comments about uni though - my course work was done as of Thursday, and I have 2 exams in 3-4 weeks. So I should have time enough for the rest of this game. Last week was a bit busy with getting stuff handed in.

I'll try and get comments of the rest of the players up before I go to bed this evening (I'm living in Australia, if that's relevant).