Green Hoodie Mistborn

I love this idea... I wondered what could make Odium actually shrink back in fear. It didn't seem like Dalinar uniting Honor for a second could do that... since he already killed Honor once.

I'm in! I would buy a second copy just to put this dust jacket on it!

Well... I guess we'll find out more in like 3 years! Until then or until more WoB come out that bear on the OB Epigraph letters, I think I'm still sold on the "hide & survive" Shard who is based on Divine Wisdom.

Can you link to that WoB please? I want to see wording, as we "know" of a shard that only wants to hide/survive even if we haven't seen them on screen.

Raoden and Sarene was this marriage already arranged sealed when they began to speak via Seon and fall in love? Event though I re-read Elantris this year, I can't remember the order of events here. Dalinar and Evi I'm not sure that I would qualify as what big D felt for Evi as "love"... there are many things that seem to have been there, but i'm just not sure I buy love. Other ones I totally agree with. Arranged marriage in high society being how real it was for our history makes it make sense to me. Plus it's a convenient plot device!

Question for someone getting to a signing: Do burning Allomantic metals pulse to what would be recognizable Listener Rhythms? I.e. does burning pewter pulse to the Rhythm of Resolve? Or Burning Atium to the Rhythm of Destruction? The converse has been answered, that a Bronze burner can hear Rhythms, but I haven't see this quesiton posited yet.

As I understand/read all those sections, Humans were never native to Roshar. They were only ever refugees from a destroyed world who were graciously settled in Shinovar as it is the most hospitable of Roshar locales. They were originally Odium followers who eventually turned to Honor after coming to Roshar.

So... Now that we know that the original Voidbringers were the humans who came to Roshar after Braize was presumably destroyed by their surgebinding... it make me think of this section from tWoK and then also this from OB I'm thinking that we're going to see our Knights Radiant able to perfectly hold in stormlight when they get through their 5th Ideal (if we see any of them get there).

They are resonant stories though. Are the necessarily tied together, no, but I love the similarities we can see in them.

What if the first letter is written by the shard that wants to "hide and survive"? I saw a thread posted earlier from @WeiryWriter that posited that Shard should/would be Wisdom (or some variant of that concept) which I think is a great idea! Why Wisdom as a Shard seems to be the writter of the first OB letter to me: To me, in agreement with @Argent, the letter has a "femnine" sound to it, and Wisdom historically has strong associations with the feminine divine (Sophia, Athena, female personification of wisdom in the hebrew proverbs, and others!) Hiding and Surviving is the wise thing to do... and to do that you need to be the only Shard on a planet! Much of the language in the first letter relates to wisdom or the opposite of that (foolishness) "they were foolish" re: Aona & Skai "chance to be more" - missed (foolishly) opportunity "no good can come" - wise foresight "disappoints me" - other shards make foolish decisions related to interaction "obvious she was going to be a problem" - wisdom can see problems with unchecked Ambition (if you follow that argument, which I do) And to get a little more geeky... wisdom in most RPG's is associated with perceptive/intuitive abilities "i noticed...immediately"/"noticed your many"/"my eyes are not...clouded by..." so yeah... I think the first letter is our "hide/survive" shard Wisdom. Now, how did Hoid find her is a better question to me!

I hope is the Necromancer's Pizza Parlor books he's talked about for a long time

Man, bet Tor won't be happy to hear that! BTW - I LOVE that cover. I think it's better than the US art personally, though the endpapers in the US hardcover are amazing as well... tough.

I put it on my shelf and read the kindle version... you're missing an option!!

Shardplate formed with their spren army! Since they form chrysalises to pupate, I'm assuming they can do that pre-Highstorm as well for protection. Maybe not, not sure there is hard information on that yet.

So do power line tolerances for ice hang allow for human weight? Wax still shouldn't have an issue so long as he remembers to dump weight into his metalminds, but yeah... he's the exception there.

But Hoid could have lightweaved himself to look like Wayne and act like him after meeting him... right?

Great thought. I wasn't going back far enough into her backstory when thinking about ambition. That jives pretty well, though I'm not too excited about a whole book with evil Eshonai POV and silent head screaming good Eshonai... hopefully she finds the freedom before too much longer. I know she won't get screen time, but I wish Lift got some play in the blurb too. Does the lack of Renarin in the blurb mean we won't get too much of him still this book? We've seen him a bit in preview chapters so far... Also side note from my WoR re-read I just finished today - I'd love to get away from the trope of Kaladin saying his new Oaths at the very end of a book. Maybe he could level up mid-book this time. Please? Or really any of them? Let's see some Shardplate formation mid-Oathbringer with some new Oaths!!

blurb for those who are lazy: The traitor... man. That one is turning my head. Ambition doesn't really seem like Eshonai's problem. Too much trust maybe. Maybe ambition if you see a desire for more forms that will help them vs. the Alethi? That also means that she would be a KR which is exciting. How is she a traitor? Going out and testing Stormform? Not how I would define a traitor, since she had no way to know she wouldn't be able to shed the new form with the next highstorm like other forms. But if not her, then who? The only other "traitor" I can think of is Moash as he actually betrayed his oaths to Kaladin and Bridge 4. He also seems/feels trapped at the end of WoR. Wouldn't that be an interesting turn of events? Two "enemies" as Knights of the new founded order. First all Order meeting, "Hi, I'm Szeth, Skywalker. I slaughtered most of the Rosharian leadership, but I'm cool now. Next. Oh, Hi, I'm Moash, I tried to kill the King of Alethkar and only Kaladin becoming a Windrunner stopped me, I'm a (insert order here), I also am now cool."

I think there is a broad assumption that "the element" is the lerasium he took from the cave. I've kind of assumed that "the gemstone" refers to Honor, kind of a nickname, but that is totally baseless speculation. I'd love to see another Letter... those the length of the current epigraphs in the preview chapters make me think they'll take the whole book. (don't think that's really a spoiler?)

I love this theory. Look at the placement? They encircle the "deadzone". I think the reason there are 10 has to do with the holiness of 10 on Roshar, but also to pull troops from key places to the front lines, not necessarily to move people to different areas of the globe.

Welcome to the boards @Art! I agree...I'm on board with all the logic of "Trell" being Autonomy to date, but the red eyed immortal's comment about control, along with the well reasoned thoughts on the organization's hierarchy and titles in the OP here by @Art are making me re-think that stance. Though, if not Autonomy, then who? Current Known Shards: Of that list, there are only a few that I can bend/wrap my mind around desiring control as shown in the Set's naming/mathematical/mission statement and the Redeye Immortal's comment: Dominion (pretty obvious, but see below), Preservation (see below), Ambition (see below) Dominion - Pros: pretty clear that the intent of this Shard is to control everything it can get it's power wrapped around and order it into a pretty thing under it. WoB about metal in bleeder is from 2015, so it had to be a Shard we knew at that point Cons: Vessel is dead and shard is shattered and power blended with Devotion in cognitive Era 2 on Scadrial is a long time after the last seen events on Sel... who know what happened in the interim with the shardic powers there. It's even a long time after Kel first sees the Ire in the Cognitive Realm. Maybe one of them figured out how to take up either Devotion/Dominion like they tried to do to Preservation? Preservation - Pros: Everything that Ruin and Preservation tell us about the Intent of the Preservation Shard in Era 1 speaks to control and order and stifling, so the Intent is there (ish) Cons: umm, part of Harmony, held by Sazed. So... either he's gone mad and is fighting himself, or... I don't know. Ambition - Pros: Ambitious people don't want rivals, they want to be the best and control how everyone sees them and what everyone else gets to do... Cons: power shattered by Odium and presumably Vessel killed. We didn't know about Ambition until Arcanum Unbounded in 2016 to my knowledge(and the Coppermind's and supported by this thread: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?/Occam's Razor... When I think about everything, I think the answer as to lean back to Dominion as "Trell" who is revered by the Set members and has Red Eyed Immortals. Dominion is all about order, and we know the shard, and however improbable, it is possible that the power was separated from Devotion and taken up by someone. Or maybe BS is being sneaky. We know the shard for Bleeder's metal, but maybe there is a new Di-shard called Order and it is the combo of Dominion and Devotion that someone managed to pickup. Now.. there is always the idea that has continued to float around of 2 shards collaborating. What is instead of Odium/Autonomy, we have the odd couple of Dominion/Autonomy? That would explain Paalm's hyper-focus on Freedom, and the Set's hyper-focus on order/control.

I missed the downvotes as well, but I up voted you last night when I saw @Toaster Retribution mention downvotes. That's crazy for a post like your OP. I'd never seen that reddit post/response from Brandon on the Era1 and gender diversity, so thank you for sharing it @Poroner. Like @Calderis, I can understand the worry of forced inclusion, but in my view point it's an unnecessary worry. I think that Brandon likes to reflect reality, and in reality there are a myriad of perspectives, view points, orientations, etc and he's going to give them to us. Things like the Bechdel test are designed to remind people that the world consists of more than just men. The same is true of every other race/gender/*ism(*ist), they are out there in the world and should be reflected in fiction. I'm not sure if you're "militant feminist" comment in quotes above was supposed to be sarcastic or not? I'm going to assume it is since quotes were used but please let me know if you still feel that those characters are portrayed that way, because I just don't see that coming across the page to me when I read the scenes you reference.

Now I had to go look it up! Here is the scene in question: You're right on the one hand that there are no other mentions of changing it or having the lady's uniform updated before this... but at the same time it's not really "out of nowhere" to me. She's wearing a dress/skirt as part of her uniform because that is "womanly fashion"... but then she has to mount a horse without a side saddle. Distinctly difficult thing to do without showing a bunch of leg to people, which in the Era 2 (and 1 probably) would be frowned upon for someone of her "standing" in society. So much so that her boss who hired her for her talents (and connection to Wax) is so distracted by her that he is more worried about her modesty than focusing on what they were just going to ride away after. As I read it, Marasi is only making a comment about practicality, not feminist progressiveness. He continues to be distracted by her riding astride in a dress so she re-focuses them on task of riding to the emergency.

I like how different they feel personally. Roshar is very divided from a gender perspective with the Feminine/Masculine arts, and the women wield significant power being primarily the only literate ones. We also have a skewed perspective on Roshar since our view points are 90% high society Alethkar. Mistborn is very different and closer to a Western Earth analogue. We also (to me) seemingly have a broader selection from a socio-economic view on the world. In Mistborn, yes you have the Ascendant Warrior, but that doesn't mean you have gender equality. The West has Joan of Arc, it doesn't mean that women have had gender equality in western counties since the middle ages. Does it tend to be more equal in Western countries than elsewhere? Yes, and Joan of Arc may well have played a part in that development... or not (I really don't know on this one just speculating). I like that we see Marasi talking about female constable uniforms. I don't think it's out of no where as she thinks or mentioned it a few times prior to that, but it's an outburst and then she realizes its the inappropriate time and changes the subject. I like that we get to see the beginnings and burgeoning of more gender equality idea(l)s among our main characters. Renette wears "mens clothing" and is some strange socially outcast person (in world). That's how she wants it anyway (seemingly) but even if she didn't, she wouldn't be able to be a lady in the Era 2 society and wear what she does. MeLaan's PoV is supposed to be coming from an immortal shapeshifter for whom gender is a choice, not a physical characteristic (please don't hop on that comment to talk about real world sex vs. gender, please please). And she has seen how she's been treated when a man, but also as a woman. I think she has more place to speak to the true state of Era 2 society vis-à-vis gender equality than any of the other main characters. To me, her statements are a truer mirror to North Scadrian society, gender equality, and/or lack thereof, than any of other main character's. On your main point. I have no idea if Brandon is a Social Justice Warrior, though I don't know if that's a bad thing if he were. I think each book is going to be different from that perspective since each one is on a different planet with different historical/societal developments. In Mistborn we get to trace societies development from post TLR to a modern society which is neat. Some of that will include things like gender equality development across society.

Fascinating... I'm going to start my WoK re-read soon too...