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I think that that is the tricky part... The pull and push is not a "direct opposite" always. And maybe this is an approximation, but Ruin is the pull and Preservation is the push in my mind. Now, I think we can identify other pushes and pulls and this will tell us fundamental information about Adonalsium. Certainly, if they were exact opposites, they would all cancel and the purpose of God/ Adonalsium would be the null set. This is not the case. I think that none of them are exact opposites, but some could be considered to be pointed in opposite directions. Like how a particle cannot be spin up and spin down, if you break some action down to its smallest components, it will either be spin Preserve or spin Ruin. WoB below shows that Ruin and Preservation are "complimentary opposites" I also just want the Shards to have a symmetry to them. The number 16 is so perfect for that, so I want to find the pushes and pulls and then the inner and outer. Preservation would preserve the fish farm. Because, it the same way Ruin is not about destroying everything, Preservation is not about freezing everything, it is about the long term power to keep things the same. Cultivation finds a way to add fish using a mix of Ruin and Preservation. But once their are fish they help to preserve the people. I figured that this would be your view... I can definitely see that point. It is why I put Cultivation opposite (literally, not figuratively) to Ruin in my allomancy chart. Cultivation is opposite to Ruin in a different way (in my mind). A way that does not make it it's push and pull opposite. Ruin and Cultivation do not share enough... Cultivation and Ruin both change things is the obvious argument for why they are similar enough, but I would like to take it further and say that there are aspects of cultivation that run orthogonal to Ruin. Cultivation is not just organized creation... It is reaping what you sow. These benefits that are reaped can be of Ruin or Preservation. Cultivation is tied to life in a way that Ruin and Preservation are not. This doesn't fully do the relationship justice, either though because certainly Ruin and Cultivation would oppose each other on many things... They are opposite in many ways. They just are not push and pull opposites in my mind. The problem with this analogy is that we are not on a number line, with these shards... We are on something more akin to a Bloch Sphere, but with some sort of twist, since a Bloch sphere only has 8 opposing ends, we need some other metric... Anyway, (1 0) and (0 1) is what I see Ruin and Preservation as... They can form a basis because they are orthogonal, so to speak. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/physics/quvis/simulations_html5/sims/blochsphere/blochsphere.html --Bloch Sphere Through making this argument, I realize that it probably is not quite enough to convince you, Frustration. But, I would still like to hear your view and how it extends beyond my simple number approximation. I suppose I will end with a question that we could try to answer with similar WoBs or by trying to ask it of Brandon at a future spoiler stream. Could Vin, as Preservation, have destroyed Cultivation in the same way she destroyed Ruin? If the answer is yes, your interpretation is more correct. If the answer is no, mine is more correct. I believe that Preservation's destruction of Ruin indicates a special push-pull relationship. If it really is as I believe you think, then 0 should be able to destroy 1 as easily as -1.

So... They open up a perpendicularity to the cognitive realm and pull energy from there because that is where Odium tried to hide the investiture that he broke off of Ambition... Making it similar to what he did with Dominion and Devotion, but on a much lower scale. This could explain the lack of full sentience among shades because it is only a small piece of the shard's power, it does not suffuse them enough in investiture.

"He did as his masters demanded. Today that included wearing white. Loose white trousers tied at the waist with rope and a filmy shirt with long sleeves, open at the front. White clothing for a killer was a tradition among the Parshendi. Szeth had not asked, but his masters had explained why. White to be bold. White to not blend into the night. White to give warning. For if you were going to assassinate a man, he was entitled to see you coming" From The Way of Kings Prologue

Thanks! I didn't actually have the book with me. Yeah, I think it will test his oaths too... Thaidakar is killing the Sons of Honor, but also interviewing them as he does so. I feel like there must be some reason or provocation by the Sons of Honor. There has to be a reason for Thaidakar to want to kill members of this group in addition to stealing their ideas about getting Restares offworld. Could it have to do with the rivalry with Gavilar. Restares and Thaidakar are the two suspects Gavilar had in mind. Obviously, they all care about the cosmere and have realized that they need influence and resources for cosmere wide operations, but there is something underlying that they are fighting for and it doesn't seem to be the anti-investiture sphere that Gavilar had, but it does seem to be something they would both really be interested in...

I like all of these overpowered Radiant tactics and I think that they could have been extremely effective in battle. I can only assume that there are some equally, or similarly good fused tactics like the Persuer's break the spine over and over again tactic. Now, suppose you live forever and pick up a couple hundred or thousand overpowered way to use your magic and you have the muscle memory to do it. I am going to weigh in and say that that seems like a pretty awesome fused advantage. And they probably also have tactics for recruiting human mercenaries and inciting riots. There are lots of really creative ways for the fused to mess with the Radiants. Now, the Radiants are inevitably going to lose info over generations and if libraries are destroyed or things are not recorded properly. Once again, I want raise the idea that the fact that all of the fused have the experience and knowledge of thousands of years means that they should have an upper hand tactically. A mitigating factor for this Return is the massive technological advancements that happened over 4500 years and the very different and large and varied population.

I like this idea! What if it had something to do with trying to block Odium's connection to the surges. I think we know that the fused did not always have surges. They were just always reborn. Maybe it was about trying to help Honor's fight against Odium because somehow Radiant's were giving Odium more access to Roshar and let him give his fused powers and this was helping him Splinter Honor faster?? Alternatively, there are a lot of Shardblades missing... Maybe a whole bunch of shards are hidden somewhere... (Mistborn) Also... Honor broke his Oath about not residing on the same planet as another shard... Didn't he? And that is why Odium is justified in coming after him... That would weaken his intent.

Ruin is the change of degradation on a large Preservation is the lack of change of no degradation One way to think of them is that Preservation is 0 and Ruin is -1, but if instead you think of it more abstractly, or pictorially they can be seen as opposing forces. Just like how soothing pushes to zero emotion while rioting adds emotion. Ruin is pulling on destruction to create it and Preservation is pushing to prevent destruction. Cultivation is about change to slowly reap the benefits of long term growth. She will give and take (think of Dalinar's memories) and the person will struggle, but eventually get the benefit of what they do themselves. Like a farm that is tended well or perhaps a well thought out fishing operation where you put fish in a shallow pond and let the population swell so that they might be sustainably fished for a long long time. (Let the people secretly worship you and pretend to worship Odium) Endowment is about giving gifts that are expected to be passed down. She will take and give (think of the Returned) and the person will give them many benefits but eventually they must sacrifice and give a great gift themselves. Like seaweed being eaten by the fish and fish eaten by the humans and human lives eaten away by many wars (Manywars) (all because they got some seaweed).

Option 1 is probably what is going to happen, but it is not going to happen in the way we expect it to happen. Some twist needs to happen, so that it doesn't happen the way we expect it to and, if this is the end of Kaladin... We need answers about why he is "son of Tanavast" not "son of Honor". We need his destiny to come into play. If Kaladin swears his fifth Oath, then something bigger is following. Kaladin is our main character and he needs to enact the law upon the Shin people and help Szeth "cleanse" Shinovar. And he needs to research and discover why Ishar is crazy. (He could channel his inner Nale and Paliah. You can see option 5 below for clarification on why I think this is necessary.) He needs to ascend or race the storm or become the storm and become more powerful than we could ever imagine. OR Maybe he dies and Option 2 plays out after the storm catches him... Or he swears the 5th ideal and then Stormlight gets broken so he doesn't die but, we are following Lift and Renarin in the later books because other people's powers broke when Stormlight did. Option 5? Kaladin fulfills his greater destiny... Whatever this means... Kaladin uses his "je ne sais quoi"... Whatever makes the Stormfather call him son of Tanavast and makes him a natural fighter and makes all the future predictions surround him and whatever has caused him to have all of these Herald related occupations (Surgeon: Vedel and Soldier: Taln and Guard: Chanarach and Slave/Freedom-fighter: Kalak and Logic-Advisor: Battar and Wiseman-Advisor: Ishar and Spy/ Espionage: Shalash and Leader: Jezrien) and Kaladin becomes the storm. He uses the storm to stop Taravangian from committing some attrocity that is so heinous that no one should ever have to witness it. This is all part of Taravangian's plan and by doing this, Kaladin is considered Honor and he breaks the commitment Dalinar made as Honor because it is during an armistice between sides and battle should cease for the contest of champions. Taravangian wins by default because Kaladin stopped him from killing a whole bunch of Listener babies, or something. Somehow Kaladin makes the storm do a whole bunch of weird stuff and Kaladin breaks the storm and stormlight, which is why the epigraphs talk about there being no light on the night of sorrows. I honestly have no firm opinion right now about the overarching Kaladin arch... What I do know Book 5 needs to be a loss. Taravangian is the big bad guy just introduced. He has a plan that Dalinar is not suspecting. All the odds seem to be in Taravangian's favor. Plus, if Taravangian wins Dalinar has guaranteed that Taravangian is still trapped and therefore this option is much more interesting. Brandon thinks it was astute that someone noticed that Kaladin has been a Soldier like Taln and a Surgeon like Vedel and a Guard like Chanarach and maybe a 4th one... This was after book 2. I couldn't find the WoB. "Kaladin has filled: Surgeon (Vedel), Soldier (Taln), Guard (Chana), and Leader/Windrunner (Jezrien)" This is what the person said. Potentially... There are deathrattles that talk about Darkness and the Lights going out. This, I think, is the Night of Sorrows. If the Night of Sorrows is the last of 3 Everstorm, True Desolation, Night of Sorrows... It needs to trump the first two. This makes me think that Stormlight will stop working (and it is a rather common theory that I heard first mentioned on Lost in Discovery YouTube channel). Furthermore, I think if this theory is right, it makes perfect sense why we might be following people like Lift and Renarin. Their powers work without Stormlight. Whatever the Night of Sorrows is about, I think it needs to happen near Kaladin because Dalinar will be occupied by his battle of Champions. So I would try to work Kaladin's Arch around 1 a 10 day trip with Szeth to meet with a mad Herald 2 him filling the roles of Nale and Paliah's jobs in the 5th and final book 3 Kaladin completing his arch since the pattern is 2 heralds per book and he needs to finish in this book. 4 An explanation for "son of Honor" because his arc is over 5 Taravangian being involved with Kaladins plan somehow (he is Taravangian) 6 Good guys surviving, kind of, but also losing. It would make for a good start from nothing start to the 2nd arc.

Do we know that Taln had an Honourblade in the The Way of Kings... I always assumed that it was likely that he lost it on the way to Kolinar because someone switched it, but thinking about his attack reflexes (when he saved Amaram's life) and assuming that he didn't sleep when he ran to Kolinar (maybe that is a bad assumption), I always thought it would be pretty hard to steal his Honourblade. After hearing this theory, I started wondering if it would be easier to take it if he was already going mad from torture and he saw a friendly, regal, human face... So I wondered if that was what @Eldergod3 had beat me to postulating. I do agree that the Everstorm is meant to work around the Oathpact, so to speak. And, I thought it probably has to do with the equipment that Gavilar used to transport things to and from Braize that could count as some sort of breach in protocol, especially if Gavilar is receiving visions from Honor while he does it... Contrarily, the spren on Braize could just be using the same technology. However, if this theory is correct, I would imagine that Gavilar would be wondering around Braize looking for a way to speed up the Return and I wondered if having the last person to receive visions from Honor taking (back? If we count Gavilar as Honor? This is a stretch...) the blade that symbolizes the Oathpact would have some special significance and allow the storm to start brewing in the cognitive realm. Once this has happened, (perhaps as expected if Gavilar has been playing both sides and talking with Ulim) Ulim is already in place to start prepping the Listeners to become Stormforms and summon the Everstorm that is already in the cognitive realm due to some infraction of the Oathpact. Do we know if fused can inhabit folks who do not have gemhearts? I don't know if we can just assume that humans can inhabit humans... I think the human would need to swallow a gem. If Amaram bonding Yelignar and Aesudan, Elhokar's wife, bonding whoever she bonded, are set as a rule, then this is the general case... You don't think that Aesudan forced a gem down Gavinor's throat?! It actually sounds possible... First Gavilar needs to find Ba Ado Mishram... Before Thaidakar and before Shallan. Think about it... Maybe Thaidakar really does just want to protect his own planet and is taking preemtive measures to keep Ba Ado Mishram out of the wrong hands. He wouldn't want anyone, other than himself, to use Ba Ado Mishram for personal gain... I would really like it if there is some secret battle: Thaidakar vs Gavilar still going on.

Also, Kwaan (Rashek's Uncle) escaped off-world and brought many Terris people with him. This is after he refuses Rashek's offer to be a kandra and argues that Rashek should not be conquering the entire world, but realizes that he cannot stop him. There might be a small population of Terris people living on another cosmere world now. (I think Kwaan is awesome. Ruin's plans were foiled by a Terris man's eidetic memory. He deserves a better legacy than Rashek.

There is a secret society of Mer-people Kandra who live in the oceans of Scadrial. They have a benevolent leader who escaped the final empire by eating a shark and swimming away. He ate fish in the oceans that had adapted to the boiling hot oceans and mimicked their adaptations, so that he could travel to the south pole. The south pole Scadrians worshipped him for a while and he helped guide them and teach them and would often change his face to weird and funny expressions. (No one can say whether this inspired masks or not) The benevolent leader returned during a later period in the Lord Ruler's Reign and recruited future Mer-Kandra. They call their benevolent leader Kandrafish and that benevolent leader is me.

I like the Mercy being anti-Honor argument... I think I need to reconsider and try to use that pairing. I would like you to consider that I think of Devotion and Odium as a pair because they are in essence Love and Hate. There is a WoB that I cannot find where Brandon says something like this. I also think that Autonomy and Dominion are pretty opposite. Otherwise... I've been reorganizing sections of my circle because Honor's pair didn't make sense....

I really really like this idea and have spent too much time thinking about it! Is this a suggestion that Gavilar took Taln's blade and thus caused him to leave Braize even though "Taln never broke"... Because I kind of like that idea, but also am still confused about how Taln got another blade... I like the idea of Gavilar getting stuck in Braize and sending Taln back to Roshar, so that he, Gavilar, might be able to escape. If this is true, the Sons of Honor really did start the new desolation, or rather, an associate of the Sons of Honor. Thaidakar? It think this offers a potential explanation for what Thaidakar and the Ghostbloods are doing. If Thaidakar is trying to kill Jasnah and find Restares/ Kalak and learn about Amaram and learn about Taln (if Gavilar did send Taln back). Is the whole purpose that these are a list of Gavilar's associates. Ialai is also a former collaborator of Gavilar's. If Restares is really just trying to escape and not up to all that much, Why would the Ghostbloods be chasing his associates? Maybe it is all to figure out where Gavilar is and what he is doing? Gavilar really thinks that Thaidakar wants him gone... Maybe he does. I also think it would be hilarious if the Ghostbloods tried to kill Jasnah because they thought that she was working with her dad (maybe because she sent her own assassin to kill people who she thought were enemies of the family and hit some Ghostbloods by accident) Would suggesting that the Ghostbloods want Ba Ado Mishram because Gavilar wants Ba Ado Mishram be going too far? (Mistborn Secret History Spoiler) Maybe Thaidakar wants Shallan to find and protect Ba Ado Mishram from someone else (Gavilar). Gavinor and Dalinar Connection? Let us suppose the Everstorm frees Gavilar as a cognitive shadow. Gavilar has a massive connection to Gavinor through name and blood. Could he be talking to his grandson and causing some of Gavinor's seriousness and issues, or is it just the unmade influence? Why doesn't Dalinar feel Gavilar if they are Connected? Dalinar is a Bondsmith shouldn't he feel his Connection to Gavilar? (I suppose the obvious answer to this last one is Intent. Without knowing that Gavilar is alive Dalinar cannot Intend to contact him, but I don't know if Intent works like that.) Again, I really like this theory, but I feel like I am not making these ideas click as well as they could with the theory... I wanted to add them for any discussion that might ensue anyway.

That is a good point. In a smaller population world there would be fewer fixed big targets, but there would still be tons of small villages that could become battlefields. Additionally, without spanreeds, you need Windrunners and Skybreakers patrolling and acting as messengers and unless Urithiru had some massive treasury of gems that they didn't share to use for food and such, a lower population means less gem harvesting capabilities and less "batteries" for Radiants to use to patrol. Additionally, the Radiant population is limited by spren and worthy humans. The higher oaths are serious. Finding people worthy in a smaller population could be harder. We know that highspren won't bond just anyone. And we know that a lot of other orders can have people get stuck in the early oaths and stay there.

I have a very similar view of Venli, the more it seems like we are trying get her perspective, the more I get driven a little crazy by the way she thinks and acts (she seems so motivated by what other people think, but doesn't ever think about helping others just to do something good). I can appreciate the actions that she is taking in the later books without liking her (although, I give a lot of credit to Timbre). To an extent, even though Ulim is the truly evil one who pulled Venli's strings, she essentially plagiarized the "discovery of stormform." That angers me... It wasn't her idea and she did not even understand what she was doing, but she took credit, knowing all of that.

258. Short people, like smaller dogs and smaller stars, empirically live longer. 259. Short people's have less body mass to heat and less surface area to heat so they are resistant to the cold. 260. Short people fall over less often because they are closer to the ground and can see it more clearly.

I think you are confusing Quentin with Folsam who is married to Himalaya.

The book series has two primary aspects to it. 1) The plot: This part is what gets younger readers. There is the action and adventure and weirdness of your classic mediocre middle-grade novel. A less mature reader will miss a lot of the best jokes. 2) The humor: This is the amazing and witty and with lots of references for adults. I enjoyed the plot for its absolute ridiculousness and for how it brought context to Alcatraz's interludes. (i.e. in the middle of a high suspense moment he interrupts the story to explain why a good author would not interrupt the story in a high suspense situation). Alcatraz, the narrator, explaining his interludes is below. It has no plot spoilers, but it might be funnier in context. The part about "meaningful books" at the start of chapter 4 of the first book is still one of my favorite passages from a book. (If you get a preview on iBooks, you should be able to read this part.) The key is to go in looking for a decent laugh and you should find a book that more than meets your expectations. You will find that it has a pretty strong plotline and I almost found that Alcatraz was trying to teach me how to watch out for Brandon style plot twists. I went in with no expectations and was immensely surprised. I read all 5 of the books back to back to back over reading week for University and was laughing the whole time. This is an excellent series for good humor. If you are looking for a funny series, go for it!

What I was thinking was of being able to see several seconds into the future so you could see if you had an arrow would in the future and think "I got hit with an arrow"... (Arcanum Unbounded spoiler) I don't actually know if that is how electrum would work, though, so I am not sure if that is a valid application. It makes sense to me based on what I know of Atium shadows, though. Kind of sucks to be from Nalthis, then... You just have less investiture innately tied to you...

Granted, at any given moment, the hair dye will have a 50% chance of being faded or looking bad. It will never be both at the same time. I wish for the ability to freeze time and be able to think and consider my future actions when time is in this frozen state.

Sorry for double posting, but I was working on the other post while you made yours... I think that I agree with cometaryorbit. I think that Preservation would definitely be out of the subset of shards that change. I also do not think think that the metal comparison will be exact, but I do think that it can be used as a primitive model to learn more about the system as a whole. Look at chemistry's VSEPR theory. It can predict most molecular configurations without even touching on group theory... It isn't sophisticated, but it gets results. MO theory on the other hand is great and sophisticated and works, but it took primitive models and pattern analyses to discover MO theory. (As a side note, my (unfinished) diagram's original purpose was for figuring out shard names based on what was missing for all the different sides to sum together and create Adonalsium) I have a double eye model too. With the shards on the 16 polygons that make up the double eye... I don't think it is as applicable. It doesn't have quadrants.

It is still not done yet... I think it is better after reading this, though. I would appreciate further advice.

It is not finished... Organization over Time/ Temporal Preservation--Ruin Outer If time is slowed all is preserved (Bendalloy). Over long times entropy wins and all goes to ruin (Cadmium). Dominion--Autonomy Inner Augury is about consolidating your past selves to one future self (Gold). Knowing your own future and that no one will mess with it is of autonomy (Electrum). Emotion and Empathy/ Mental Cruelty/ Slaughter** -- Mercy Outer Bronze lets you feel other powers. Mercy is about feeling for others. The opposite of mercy is unfeeling as a coppercloud. Devotion--Odium Inner Love is soothing (Brass) and Hatred is rioting (Zinc). Physical Action Strategies/ Physical Cultivation--Endowment Outer Cultivation requires change into something new in the form of growth (steel). Endowment is about receiving something old (Iron) Survival/ Prudence -- Valor Inner Valor is brave and dangerous (pewter). Survival requires cowering and being cautious (tin). Planning for Improvement/ Enhancement Invention--Whimsy Outer Invention is about logic and creating with purpose (Nicrosil). Whimsy is about ignoring logic and purpose (Chromium) Ambition--Honor Inner Ambition is about taking what you want and becoming better (Duralumin). Honor is about principles that are more important (Aluminum) Outer is about how you treat the world around you: Do you preserve or ruin? Treat people with mercy or cruelty? Do you help to cultivate what surrounds you and let it grow on its own? Or do you plan to endow the world with gifts so that it might not need to change with any urgency? Do you view the world with consistent mathematical logic and understand enough to invent? Or view it for its artistic flair and have the world be everchanging, amusing and unfathomable? Inner is about how you treat yourself: Do you dominate others or act autonomously for yourself (free of the dominion of others)? Do you devote yourself to others and love them or do you have only disgust and contempt and hate for them? Do you put in a valiant effort no matter what? Or do you know when to make the wise choice and cut your losses to survive? Are you controlled by your own ambition and what you want to gain (you do not care about morals)? Or by intrinsic values that determine what is right (you do not care about your own gains)? When I look at the wheel I see some other patterns like Ruin is directly opposite from Cultivation and one is change to break down and get smaller and the other is to change and create new things. I would love to hear if anyone has any ideas of how to improve this.

Metalminds work on a sort of self-canabolism. A stronger feruchemist could store more strength because he has more strength to lose. Similarly, a quicker thinking person would be able to store more quick thinking. A faster person could store more speed. It doesn't make sense to think about metal minds in the same way we do about burning metals. For metals it is intrinsic to the metal and your allomantic power. For a feruchemist the speed that you can store up a metal's attribute would increase depending on how much of that attribute you have to begin with. It would have nothing to do with the metal and everything to do with how much investiture a given activity uses.

Well... are we talking about ionic, covalent or metallic?