Kandrafish

It doesn't belong here, but I really want to see if anyone has opinions...

Oh, man... I need to create a new discussion to talk about if Kandra can eat fain food.

I have no idea. I'm hearing about it for the first time. The Coppermind says "late cosmere". "One of the reasons Brandon wants to write this book is because there is "a group" that will be important later in the cosmere saga, and he needs to write a book about them so that readers know who they are." From the Coppermind on Dust Brigade."- From Coppermind The "group" has to be Sho Del, right?

I thought so too, but I google a timeline and every one of the timelines said that Stormlight comes after Shadow of Silence in the Forest of Hell.

Thanks! I like how it fits too. I think The Shadows of Silence takes place before Stormlight. I also worry about some kinks in the idea. --Shades aren't very merciful. --Would creating them cause a shard to be invested I wonder... Could they use Ambition's own power against them? Are Shades bits of Ambition's power Unmade into an enemy of Ambition? On a separate note... Also, risking going way off topic: do you think that after "Ambition" was "fatally wounded" someone in the vicinity might take mercy on them and let them abandon their shard. I've been toying with this theory for over a year now (I don't think anyone else has talked about it). Could Mercy have spared Uli Da while splintering Ambition? I think it is in line with Mercy's intent and a logical guess with the minimal information that we have.

I agree. I thought the same thing after reading the essay. That the shades are cognitive shadows, so their formation could cause a perpendicularity. Also, it was mainly because there was this undertone that the perpendicularities were dangerous and shades are one of the most dangerous thing on Threnody. (Not including the Evil, but that, I think, is Fainlife. Someone wrote a theory on it in 2017. And if you consider that Uli Da was Fain, it makes sense.) This could be nothing, but I also, I often wonder if the shades embody the opposite of Ambition: --- you need to walk and not run --- you need to use the same old fires and not go making any new ones --- you cannot go around killing anyone In other words ambition is dead on Threnody because Ambition is dead on Threnody. --Kind of poetic, but without any overly logical explanation. All I have is that "the waves of destruction—carrying ripped-off chunks of Ambition’s power—twisted both the people and the planet of Threnody." And then all I can think is "Ambition's power... twisted". One more idea: If the Evil is Fainlife, that could be Ambition or Uli Da's army. And then, the shades could be the army against Ambition, which could explain their intent... Shades are the the enemy of Ambition. Any thoughts?

Thanks. I would have checked the book myself if I had it with me. So Wax did not fully die, but he did leave his body. I suppose Sazed talking to him could be like Odium's visions, which means that this provides not useful information about what is happening to Taravangian, but I feel like there is a similarity between Wax "letting go" and Taravangian feeling a snap. Taravangian felt a snap, but his body did get investaporized... Maybe my stubborn believe that Taravangian should still have the full powers of a shard based on Wax being alright, is because Wax took a lot of very bad wounds and got literally crushed. Meanwhile, Taravangian gets stabbed once. I suppose I'll read closer when I have the book with me.

That is a good point. Do we know what the precedent is for a Returned becoming a vessel? Also, do we know if Szeth actually killed Taravangian? This was from Taravangian's less intelligent view point. Is it possible that he believed that he was dead, but was actually just very close to death. I don't have the book with me now, but I vaguely remember him saying that he came more fully into the cognitive realm this could indicate whether he actually died or not. Taravangian may have come further into the cognitive realm after taking what would ultimately be a fatal wound, but so did Wax in The Bands of Mourning when he talks with Harmony. 1) I don't believe that Wax is a cognitive shadow stapled back to his body, but if he is, it is possible that Sazed intervened, which would be similar to what Taravangian could do for himself. 2) I think it is more likely that Wax was restored by the influx of investiture because he was not fully "cut off at his strings" like Kelsier was. I think that this was similar for Taravangian, but then the investiture flowed in restored his bodily Connection and then "investaporized" the body after connection was restored. Additionally, I think that Wax is also "dead" when his "already wounded body" is "crushed" by a trap Edwarn activates. In my mind, if Wax is stapled back into his body or Returned or whatever, then so is Taravangian and if he is not stapled or Returned, I would say that I am 99% sure that Taravangian is also not stapled or Returned. This seems like a more relevant and more applicable case when compared to Szeth who was in the cognitive realm after their his body passed. I would probably put Zahel as being even further from being restored based on how long it took others of his type of invested entity to Return. (i.e. the details of Lightsong's death imply that his return took a significant amount of time)

I am glad to be here. I don't know if I am quite a mega-fan, perhaps more of a kilo-fan... Yeah... Any suggestions about places where people theorize about the cosmere or weird applications of magic systems. Those are things that I haven't found anyone to engage with on. To be honest, that is a really hard question. I think I would probably be choose the order of Releasers, but the Truthwatchers would probably be a close second. I am always cautious around all types of cookies... If the one I am being offered is suspect, I could probably sell it to a website they seem to always be using them. If the website starts talking to itself, having the mist retract from it, or maybe even slurring its speech, then we will know if the cookie was spiked (hemalurgically or otherwise). I will see if what I can do Master Karger. Do any of you have any suggestions on where I should start? -This is what I meant to do.

I am glad to be here. I don't know if I am quite a mega-fan, perhaps more of a kilo-fan... Yeah... Any suggestions about places where people theorize about the cosmere or weird applications of magic systems. Those are things that I haven't found anyone to engage with on. To be honest, that is a really hard question. I think I would probably be choose the order of Releasers, but the Truthwatchers would probably be a close second. I will see if what I can do Master Karger. Do any of you have any suggestions on where I should start?

I have a problem: For years I have tried to convince friends to read Brandon Sanderson books and have, mostly succeeded in getting people to read them. Unfortunately, there has not been a single person who has acquired a deceptively significant obsession for these books that comes close to rivalling my own. They are all progressing through the books too slowly for me to be able to discuss anything with them. I have been reading cosmere books since 2016. I have read every cosmere book at a minimum three times and developed my own google doc of cosmere theories, while, originally, not looking at any fan forums or the coppermind, or anything... Until last Christmas. At this point, I have had a year of on and off time spent scanning through the coppermind and WoBs as well as listening to the 17th shard youtube channel... I have now realized that there are a lot of people who are equally or more obsessed with these books. I just cannot find them in my general vicinity. My solution: Joining the 17th shard. I guess I would just like to find a place to vent a little and share my mad diagram-like theorizing with some individuals who might actually understand how good or bad my train of thought is and offer some counter-points or corrections. And... perhaps this will save my family from rantings about the cosmere.