CognitiveShadow

What a great last chapter before the release tomorrow! Brandon definitely planned it so we would be debating on autonomy / odium / etc the whole time leading up and then just dropped the very direct and clear answer in the chapter today. It felt like Brandon was speaking instead of Sazed lol

Sooooo Harmony was behind the mobilization of the Ghostbloods?? Edit: I’m thinking that is what this means. Probably more in the indirect way of allowing Kelsier to found them and giving some guidance here and there.

Lol for real though- definitely clearing my schedule and burning through this one nonstop haha

I don’t know, it seems like the immortals that are showing up is more of a possession situation. I know that sounds similar to the fused, but I think it’s a little different. It doesn’t seem like these “fused” are being killed regularly, requiring them to get new bodies. But they seem to show up as some random person each time. Suit thought that they took control over one of the people off the street. I lean towards this being a similar principle to the fused in process, but not necessarily from Odium. Though he could be involved indirectly I think

I think it’s worth remembering that, culturally and historically, metalborn have tried to keep their abilities secret. That’s probably faded over time since the catecendre, but it could have been a factor in keeping them from truly integrating with the progress of society. Not to mention that they metalborn could be less common and/or less powerful than before. Also, Harmony has called out that since the people in Luthedell haven’t faced much opposition previously, their progress has been slow. I think they’ve been less innovative than we would normally expect a group of people to be. They probably follow their Shard’s intent to remain in harmony, which sort of keeps the status quo

Agreed, or maybe it was corrupted by Odium or something but still I feel like Harmony would know that

It is a godmetal, so it’s literally the manifestation of Ruin (the shard) in the physical realm. It’s basically pure investiture. I could see a storyline where Harmony accidentally created an avatar that is hell bent on ruining and destroying the world. But I think it’s more likely that Trell is autonomy. Would be weird for Harmony to not see that happening with the excess investiture

Or Adonalsium.

I wouldn’t put it past Wayne to have found a way to spike himself after hearing about how hemelurgy works from Wayne haha maybe Melaan got him some old inquisitor spikes and he’s kept it a secret edit: this is more of a fun idea, not really something I would find realistic

I love this lol

Oh oh! Remember how obsessed Wayne was with his one lucky hat that was stolen in AOL?? And he kept telling Wax to get it back for him?? Maybe because there was a good amount of identity stored up in that hat, however it happens to work. And he also tends to be picky with hats, liking some and passing on others… maybe the ones he picks that are “lucky” are the aluminum lined ones. The stylish ones anyway. edit: I had another thought- if Wayne had some tragedy linked to his use of fortune, he might associate that with anything good (especially money related) that happens to him. I doubt he is oblivious to his abilities, but he might be trying to avoid them because of whatever tragedy he thinks they caused. So now with the bowler hat people trying to make his investments grow, he is trying to balance it all out by flushing his wealth down a toilet. He might think this will even out the good fortune and therefore prevent a tragedy, like his death. That’s why he said he was a dead man when he heard how much money he had earned.

I think there is definitely something suspicious about how well Wayne is able to impersonate people and take on different identities. Even kandra get lessons from him… that isn’t normal. And calling out the fact that his hat is lined with aluminum is a big flag I think. Something is going on, I’m getting more and more convinced. It has to be more than just “Wayne is good at pretending and copying accents and he also happens to be obsessed with hats”

I think that’s fair. Totally could be the case My only major concern with this is the fact that you have to know you are holding the bands of mourning to be able to actually use them, makes it seem like you would be hard pressed to accidentally use feruchemy. That intent factor. Which implies Wayne would have to know he’s been doing this all along and only doing so much of it. Of course he does hate himself enough that maybe he doesn’t think he’s worthy of accessing all of the powers?

Thanks for the reminder that this next year is going to be so great with all the new books. Not to mention SA5 in 2024. After that life will start to suck again for a while but wow looking forward to this period of time!!

I’m close. And getting closer. To agreeing. Hahah like I think it’s crazy for this to be true and for Wayne to somehow not know that he has these other abilities and to still use some without realizing it…. Alternatively it’s crazy for him to know he has these abilities and only use some of them sparingly…. But this is Wayne we are talking about and he is straight up off his rocker crazy. He even called out the aluminum lines hat… and the way he completely changes personality until he removes the hat… I could see there being something to this. And I’m all for it haha

Just gonna leave this here (intro / summary for the book on audible) Might be onto something here with this theory!

And here I was, thinking that these chapters had passed without anything that would bring too much crazy speculation and suspense in my brain… Now I am especially frustrated with daylight savings time for adding a whole hour to my wait time to get the full book!

Oh this is a big time catch!!! Seriously this has to be important. I remember thinking something was odd about the sneeze, but that could really be it. The mask was specifically called out to be missing. Our boy wax is about to turn into a mistborn and/or a zombie for Trell

So what would happen if Wax tried swallowing some harmonium? Since anyone can take lerasium and become mistborn, I wonder if anyone would be able to burn harmonium? Also if you did have all the prerequisites met, what would happen if you burn it? Just a big explosion and you die? Maybe Wayne should try it instead

Could it be that when shardmetals are broken down to to their most base state and their elemental “atom” is split somehow, we are left with a small amount of Adonalsium dust? Or the building blocks to create it?

Good point, although it seems to me that autonomy and harmony could be fairly polarizing intents…

“Trellium has a repulsing effect on other forms of Investiture” … Autonomy confirmed?

I feel like VenDell is a red herring. We are getting some subtle weird vibes from him and he went off screen for a bit to talk to Harmony which was suspicious… but I think we are going to be led to think he is a spy or bad guy in some way, only to find out that something else was going on and he was distracting us from that. Of course I could be totally wrong haha

Yeah you are both right, no way it could actually be dalinar (at least not in a way we would be finding out in TLM. Although I do lean further and further towards SA5 going very badly for the good guys in the end, maybe not a total defeat (like maybe they find some way out of the fully worst possible scenario after losing) but I don’t think they will come out on top

Assuming that Odium doesn’t win the contest of champions… maybe Trell is Dalinar Kholin sent out to do the bidding of Odium after losing the contest of champions in SA5