Honorless

Narak?

Raoden? (the Elantrians were worshiped in Arelon)

WoB wise, we have an old report saying no and newer WoBs saying RAFO I like the theory and the possibility but I like Kelsier and Mare's story as it is. The Lord Ruler is certainly the type to not care and throw her in simply for their combined suffering and to gloat at Kelsier that he caught them because of Mare. But on the other hand, you do have a point. It seems wasteful. But he was willing to simply have the Lord Prelan, a powerful Mistborn, killed rather than spiked for his... indiscretions, so I think it's in-character for the Lord Ruler to do what he did.

Obviously people themselves aren't the problem, the power structure that divides them is. Misuse of power wouldn't be an issue if the distribution of power wasn't so disproportionate.

Not the way I meant the phrase "the Cosmere, as we know it, being gone" actually. I meant significantly changed. Given what we know of Adonalsium, I do agree with what you think might happen.

No? That would be the Cosmere, as we know it, being gone, not destroyed

The point was a few people of the lower caste attaining higher positions does not eradicate the problem of casteism People are already annoyed with having to do the jobs that the Parshmen did for them. It's only mostly abandoned in Urithiru, and even there mostly in the Kholinar sections Which are all things she has because she's a Lighteyes or killed and took the Shards off a Radiant during the Recreance. Yes, we know, what's your point?

I don't think so, if Amaram hesitated though and Kaladin was seen with the Shardblade then it would've made things difficult for Amaram but Kaladin would've probably been still assassinated at a later date. Amaram had reasons to want a Blade. Kaladin rejecting to take the Blade just made it easier for Amaram.

It'll be years before it ends, decades. It'll be sad but it will be complete, and that's something to look forward to. Wait, do you mean the Cosmere-verse? No, the saga will end, the Cosmere seems unlikely to be destroyed at the end of the franchise.

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I don't think Jasnah would need to be pressured

That would be an interesting direction to take things. Wonder how Nale got his Blade back, Ash & Ishar said that the Shin weren't just going to hand over their Honorblades back to them.

It is an extreme word but I was just using the word in its pop culture sense, racism+indoctrination. I also was not referring to the Singers. They are, while not unheard of, not exactly as well-known in parts of Asia & Africa

Frustration's referring to the fact that who the Nazis are would be common knowledge in the US and their name is used in pop culture a lot to simply refer to racism, indoctrination, etc so he's assuming that the other guy isn't American As the guy who actually made the analogy, let me explain The OP's idea is basically a hyper-revolutionary God who frees the oppressed by simply smacking anyone else not in the oppressed category. As quite a few people on the Shard would put it, writing something like this would be called... political suicide

That's exactly my point. The entire issue was just tossed aside. It is both casteism and racism. What jobs people have and their position in society being decided by superficial physical features is very much racism. Did you read WoK? How well did getting a Shardblade turn out for Kaladin? How many Darkeyes have actually gotten there? Kaladin does talk about it, how impossible it is to get a Shard without access to another Shard, and how there are no such Darkeyes except in legends and how usually the Lighteyes would probably claim the Shards.

Are you talking about Squires? Oh! Yeah, Nahel Bonds can be transferred, as long as the Radiant isn't too far ahead in their Oaths, this is confirmed in-book by the Stormfather.

To be fair to the Sanderson community, a lot of the Moash hate has to do with internet culture, r/fMoash is simply trending and it's a funny & happy group with a few rather seemingly severe people raining on their parade with serious topics like racism, at least that's how quite a few of them seem to see it. But to be perfectly honest, there is often a worrying undertone to the discussions relating to race within this fandom, especially on Reddit. Check out any old Kaladin or Shallan threads dealing with the topic. I've kinda given up on the entire discussion at this point and from the fact that the word "race" was omitted from the Shardcast Moash episode, consciously or unconsciously, the mods have too. Good choice too, the reactions seem much different with the word "caste" in play instead, I'm sure the latter term fits better for the situation too. And this undertone isn't coming from nowhere, Words of Radiance and Oathbringer were very directly dismissive of the Lighteyes/Darkeyes situation. Like his fellow former Bridgemen telling Kaladin he's technically a Brightlord now so he shouldn't be even a little bit salty about his literal enslavement, just yeesh. Pointing out that Lighteyes, called "tenners" of the Tenth Dahn cast who are comparable in wealth and social standing to the top percentile uppermost Nahns of the Darkeye caste, exist and they're just like the Darkeyes! Also good Lighteyes exist! Also Odium is coming, and we should all unite under the honorable Lighteyes Kholins to fight for all Roshar because this really isn't the time for social upheaval! ...Which happens anyway with the Parshendi regaining their minds, which really makes it look like the complicated social discourse of inequality is going to be the Parshendi plotline and the Lighteyes/Darkeyes caste system is just going to be completely sidelined. Spoiler: this gets even worse in RoW. Moash's PoV chapters in Oathbringer were really good and nuanced. Hopefully, there's something more done with his character rather than continuing on this trajectory of him being the lightning rod for the community's hate.

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