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Hmm... because of the Scouring of Aimia? And the events during the War of Reckoning on the Shattered Plains? The Unmade Dai-Gonarthis remains the suspect for the Scouring , (as cited in Hessi's Mythica). It is possible that the Greatshell's extinctions were beneficial to Odium, somehow. Again, quite possible, since these beasts were used to harvest gemhearts. It might also have been a side benefit, with the main aim being to destroy the Siah and Dysian Aimians or perhaps even the Larkins.

Sort of A Ketek is a poem in a palindrome structure, with allowances for changes in verb form. Basically, tense changes that use a different base form for conjugation or verb form to noun form conversions (or vice-versa) aren't allowed. There's also a rule that every section has to make sense individually as well as in concert And finally, that there should be no more than five sections Palindrome structure is already hard enough anyway. The rules that were broken aren't really necessary since we're not Vorin and Vorinism isn't a real-world religion. Breaking rule 3 or even second part of rule 1 doesn't really diminish the beauty or complexity of the poems.

As @Dancer said, Nale killing budding Radiants is a relatively new development. In fact, the resurgence of Radiants itself is a new development, which just goes to show that Ishar might be even crazier than the others if he is ordering such heinous acts at such a crucial time. The Stormfather shouldn't have had much reason to try and pick a new Bondsmith during the Sunmaker's time. Beyond that, a good theory but sometimes conquerors are just that, conquerors.

@FictionSpren2019, bad choice of words on my part, just 'get-out-of-jail-card' would be better @The traveller, while teleportation is possible in the Cosmere, perhaps through some kind of fast travel network via the Cognitive Realm or straight up utilizing the Spiritual Realm where time and distance has no meaning, the Surge of Transportation shouldn't be able to do what you described by either the magic system in question or the narrative. What would be required for teleportation? In real world, your body would be destroyed on one end and recreated on the other. Wormholes won't work (if they were to exist, they've been mathematically proven to be possible not necessary probable) because while they'll transfer matter to the other side, life requires some truly delicate handling to remain, well, alive. Either method is doable in the Cosmere: Destroying a body and recreating the same body is possible via the use of Identity, maintaining the continuity of the subject's consciousness by them continuing to exist as a Cognitive Shadow. The other method is, as I mentioned earlier, by establishing a method of fast travel through the Cognitive Realm. Not true teleportation in the sense of instantaneous travel between two points without having to traverse the distance between them but it sort of fits. Jasnah can do that. Anything more would require fabrials, and I think we've already seen the fabrials in question, the Oathgates. The third is through the Spiritual Realm, though we have no proof if it can be done. ⚠ Aether of Night ⚠ The first method might be how the Heralds travel between Roshar and Braize (Damnation), it could also be by simply walking through the Cognitive Realm. The Fused do something similar too, except instead of a recreating their previous body, they just body-jack other Singers. In conclusion, teleportation might require something akin to what Dalinar did at the end of Oathbringer, which is already far beyond the purview of even the Bondsmiths (he could only do that because Stormfather became the Cognitive Shadow of Honor) Narratively, that kind of diminishes the importance given to Oathgates. Also, one has to remember that the spren aren't dæmons like in 'His Dark Materials' trilogy. They are sapient beings independent of their Radiants. Radiancy isn't just a Radiant's magic, it's an alliance between humans and spren, though a very intimate one. We saw with the records of the ancient Radiants that politics and trade with the spren was an important part of the Elsecallers' duties. They have a very important Surge with Transportation, which they utilise to fulfill a crucial role. Teleportation, on the other hand, is a "niche" that has been already filled by the Oathgates.

Sandlings, Sand Mastery, water, terken and Slatrification can make sense under @ReadAndFindOut's theory though, if we take into consideration that the prose is semi-canonical and the graphic novel is the canonical version (minus those stereo systems in Vol 1). I don't think there was anything in the GN about water completely melting down the Sandlings. Oh, and I've subscribed to your channel and seen & liked the videos, great work!

So where is Autonomy exactly? I was going through the White Sand comics and there were faces in the sky. Not very subtle, that. But I remember reading WoBs and theories where Autonomy is the sun on the Dayside of the Taldain system. About how strange the entire Taldain planetary/stellar system was, why Taldain's Perpendicularity might be blocked (because it's in the Sun), how the lichen of the white sands recharge after being used for Sand Mastery, the Skycolors of Darkside (Shifting Colors in the comics), etc. Autonomy being the Sun made perfect sense, but there are also theories on her being Invested in the atmosphere, and some of those theories still work with that. So is Autonomy hiding in the sun or in the atmosphere? Did Brandon change his mind? Also, what's up with, what looks like an Avatar of her, appearing before Elorin? What's this about Scythe (Skathan in the comics, the Emperor of the Dynasty on Darkside) possibly being another Avatar of her? I've read the WoB on Patji about it being an Avatar of Autonomy formed of her Intent but not quite Splintered off her, and I understand that bit but why would Hoid leave the letter to him? Was access to Bavadin blocked at that point due to her closing off Taldain?

It does block it for the user (we only see this with the Mistborn though, not the Mistings. More Investiture would eventually solve everything) I think unless the interference is detected and the Surgebinder decides to form Shardplate, it cannot be blocked. And even then Lerasium Mistborn or Lerasium and Zinc or Brass alloyed Mistings, can probably push past it. Others might need a Duralumin or Nicrosil burst though.

With both a Reverse Lashing and Adhesion as manipulation of wind pressure, he definitely could Perhaps, we should also consider a battle of attrition. Elsecallers and Lightweavers would have massive advantage in this with their ability to Soulcast, meaning they wouldn't have to worry about supplies. This, plus a get-out-of-jail-free-card in the form of Elsecalling (the Surge of Transportation) and the Surge of Illumination for misdirection, respectively, means that both Orders would have a massive advantage in an Order vs Order scenario. All the high mobility Orders would have an advantage too, when it comes to managing supply lines. So, Windrunners, Skybreakers, Dustbringers, Edgedancers also have a chance. Edgedancers and Truthwatchers might have less need for supply trains if they prepared right. The Surge of Progression can do more than Regrowth for healing! We saw that it could also be used to help plants grow exponentially, so procuring food might be easier for them. Bondsmiths might have an edge too. Spiritual Adhesion could make negotiations so much easier. Truthwatchers as well, although Brandon has pointed out the Voidbinding chart in reference to Renarin's visions, I think the reference might be less direct... Illumination of Progression might be what allows Truthwatcher visions. The Truthwatchers do see something. In the Urithiru Gem Archive, one Truthwatcher does say "I foresaw this". Just a theory though.

Please delete option 1, it hurts my soul

Long ago, the humans of Ashyn came to Roshar... they were a people forlorn, without a home... Then the True Desolation came and Odium won. Cultivation sacrificed herself to buy time for her people. And they left Roshar, all of them together, their struggle for conquest over Roshar forgotten. Looking back together, with tears in their eyes, as their home was sundered. All of them together: Alethi and Makabaki, Veden and Iriali, Reshi and Purelaker, Siah and Dysian, Unkalaki and Natan... centuries later, Elendel Stele: They came from another world, using strange powers without metal, that we have been forbidden to touch. Dangerous powers, of spren and Surges. They destroyed their lands and have come to us begging. We took them in, as commanded by Harmony. What else could we do? They were a people forlorn, without a home. Our pity destroyed us.

I'm a former resident of Roshar and a Lightweaver, my spren's name is Ala (say hi!), however with the coming True Desolation we've escaped to Scadrial... It's interesting here, certainly. I'm having tea with a dog god and death god now, apparently... and the mists are slipping in, forming the shape of a tall man. Oh well, I'll write again later, after entertaining my rather strange guests. This one might, I think, be the 'real deal' as far as gods go, if I'm reading the myths of this world correctly...

I'm going to say no, simply because Copperclouds didn't seem to affect any Soothing or Rioting, though Shardplates are different. As we go further along the timeline of the Cosmere stories, if Shardplate made you immune to so many things, while Allomancy continues to get weaker, Roshar would have too much of an edge (assuming it survives Odium), so I believe, emotional Allomancy will find a way to slip through. Then again, that might be just another narratively interesting thing to do for Brandon (as he says "limitations are more interesting")

Exactly...?

Granted, you are successful in that noble endeavor, however... Biochemical weapons: exist Nightwatcher: *whistles innocently* Zombie Apocalypse ensues

That's the great thing about Windrunner Surges: For clashes involving Kaladin and the Fused or Szeth wielding Jezrien's honorblade, most of the time they used their mobility and actual physical fighting skills for the fight. When they did use the Surges, they put their Lashings on other objects to increase gravitational pull of those objects or create adhesive traps. Szeth uses this strategy during his assassinations because Shardplates also make it difficult to apply Surges on their bearer. The Metallic Art of Allomancy is quite Physical though, as was seen when we saw that it could not be used in the Cognitive Realm (you could argue that was just because Kelsier was a Cognitive Entity at the time, but there was also the tidbit about "the souls of men and metal" being "the same thing", and metal as being "the key" through which Preservation's power flows). And as @The traveller said, they weren't actively burning metal at the time. Things that affect the mind aren't really well defined yet. The Lightweavers are also referred to as "providing Spiritual sustenance" by cheering up other Radiants. We also saw that Shallan's use of Stormlight wasn't detected by the strange Voidspren. The only confirmed things about Investiture interference are: that Awakening a Shardblade or Shardplate is nearly impossible, as is Steelpushing it or Forging it. And that it is the same situation with Type IV BioChromatic Entities. And that Radiants would find it difficult to directly apply their Surges on other Radiants if they are holding Stormlight or wearing Shardplate.

I did not feel that the OP framed it as an objective moral stance, but even interpretation of someone's phrasing can be subjective so that isn't going anywhere... Agreed on your response though, if that is how the OP came across, he needs to make a few apologies. Either way, I don't think I'll be comfortable with the idea of coming back to this thread however... and it looks like I'm not the only one. Ugh, imma go read some mind melting fanfics now!

Well, that calls to question his inaction or at least lack of interceding on behalf of the well-being of Southern Scadrians, doesn't it? Was that his Ruin? While forming the Elendel basin and moving the underground caverns to safely transport the originators, was his act of Preservation, perhaps? The people of northern Scadrial suffered a lot under the Final Empire, its collapse and then Ruin's freedom so they were given a little extra (Elendel Basin) whereas the Southern Scadrians weren't, so as to force them to develop, maybe, but could it also have been to conciliate his Ruin part?

Huh, I am genuinely surprised to see that this discussion has lasted as long as it has. Parallax's fear seems to be that 'Oathbringer' seems almost to have made a declaration with Dalinar's Ideal at the climax of the book. I understand where he's coming from. Brandon writes really well, is very affable and is one of the few authors who have admitted to problems with their writing (of representation of women, LGBTQ) and are genuinely trying to move past that. I think we can all agree that we've grown really attached to him and the worlds that he has created. Isn't it then perfectly understandable that the OP feels almost betrayed by Oathbringer's stance on morality? It's precisely because he likes Sanderson that he's felt the need to put forward this discussion and express his discontent. Read the whole thing before jumping the guns here. Dalinar commits genocide, with all the inherent implications of that word. He orders the burning of an entire city. That's pretty irredeemable as far as acts of war crimes and crimes against humanity go. ⚠ Trigger Warning ⚠ (This could be taken personally and discusses literal murder. Please go to the spoiler tag immediately below this one if you want to read my whole point but feel uncomfortable opening this one. That one is also slightly more positive) So, people have forgiven crimes of that magnitude before. But whether or not Dalinar felt remorse and pain is irrelevant to the discussion. This isn't a topic on whether or not Dalinar is a psychopath, he very clearly isn't. He does feel remorse. But Oathbringer can be seen as taking a stance of forgiveness over punishment. A lot would depend on your interpretation of justice and the law for making any judgement on this one. Do you believe punishment should be reduced with genuine admittance of guilt? Do you believe that punishment by the law should, as its primary purpose of being, exist to discourage these acts rather than provide any measure of vengeance or closure to victims or their families? So should killers walk free after ending another human being's life, as long as they feel genuinely terrible about it and are productive to society? Oathbringer's very preface started with Dalinar's confessions. His act of trying to change has dramatic, positive consequences in-world. It is quite understandable if some see it as a statement, I think, and that is what the OP is questioning. I myself am apprehensive about this. But I also do understand that is just the thematic focus of the series. I think I can see these things as questions put forward by the author to his readers. Whether Dalinar incurs any pain later on in the series, even on the scale of the Heralds, isn't really a great response to the question. Neither is pointing out instances from the book showing Dalinar is trying to redeem himself (since his redeemability itself is under question, the very subject of this discussion), nor saying that forgiveness is the better moral stance. Putting Dalinar's actions through real-world historical contexts, explaining your own viewpoint on redemption and your own beliefs on ethics are much better responses. If you feel that this post is attacking you, I do sincerely apologize because that is not my intent. I just felt protective or even defensive on behalf of the OP, I guess. However, since I have not mentioned anywhere within this post any names, I would also like you to quote which part of my post made you feel so, as well as the relevant post by yourself that you feel that I might be pointing fingers at.

not what I meant by booty... *sighs* why, thank you

Lashing people, or 'Slicking' people, or Soulcasting them, or applying the Surge of Division against them might be a bit more difficult when those people are themselves Invested like the Radiants are. WoB on Stonewards seems to indicate, or rather validate other WoBs and theories (specifically regarding Nightblood, Forging, Feruchemical metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes) that putting more Investiture into something/someone that is already Invested, especially with a different Intent, is extremely difficult so as to be nearly impossible

Indeed, Equilibrium is a difficult state to maintain. I take his name as grim foreshadowing...

Probably specific level of oaths, in addition to state of mind and level of technical proficiency with the Surge in question that seems to imply that it would also be evem more difficult to Soulcast or use Division on a Radiant than I thought...

And according to you yourself, that may eventually change

I suspect that the ancient Radiants held back or didn't realize their full potential. Or maybe the knowledge on the full range of what they could do, is just lost to that degree or was never made public in the first place. Tension seems like it could also be used for elasticity, if it can alter the rigidity of a structure, it might just be able to do this. Basically, they might be able to use this to augment their mobility by boosting their short range movement to jump by using the very ground as a trampoline. And yeah, agreed they should be able to walk on water. Cohesion definitely can be used to make hard substances act like liquids, instead of using it to create new solid structures, it probably could be used to manipulate the material in that 'in-between' stage. So, yeah your viscosity traps are completely workable. I think the Surge of Abrasion should be able to do more than decrease friction for sliding around. Friction is how sparks are created! This is why I put Dustbringers in front, I believe they might have complimentary Surges (Division and Abrasion) like the Lightweavers with their 'solid illusions' via Illumination and Soulcasting (Transformation)

A glove, "be as my hands and write for me" I chose a glove, instead of a pen so that it could also type