Honorless

Dude, he's just calling her cunning

Wasn't healing described as peeking into one's Spiritual perfect self and applying it on the body? Then again the Realms leak into each other. If access to Cognitive Identity is all it takes to change an object's form as we see in Soulcasting and Forging, then you're probably right and self-perception is used for healing.

@Karger, I want Navani to have access to the Surges not via Ideals, as a Radiant but via intelligence, as an Artifabrian, developing fabrials. In fact, I feel that one of the 10 main would die and what they could do, would have to be recreated via fabrials. Soulcasting and Regrowth fabrials we've seen, Transportation would perhaps be too difficult if Oathgates are the only fabrial analogue. One of the Dawnshards was mentioned as binding creatures so that could be (Spiritual) Adhesion. There's a fabrial that uses Gravitation. There are fabrials with lesser spren for heat, warning, pain, communication (spanreed) ... I want a TV fabrial I think he's talking about the books not the TV show so Margaery's still alive there. And 'evilness' as in deviousness, not actual maliciousness.

Amaram is Stormlight's more evil Margaery Tyrell He doesn't want to be a saviour He wants to be the saviour

We haven't been expressly told so but I suspect that to be the case. Otherwise why would healing by silver be on a timer?

You're welcome, @Atras! Hope to see you around on the forums

Oof Ninja'd But there is something I'd have added: Hoid was there and he rejected taking up a Shard.

Well, Identity is as much a Spiritual attribute as it is Cognitive (and that is the component usually used for healing in the Cosmere). The theory can't be proven or disproven as it stands since we simply don't have enough info.

Ooh, I like that idea. Perhaps lead? There's no particular reason for it to be lead, I just want it to be lead.

Maybe? We don't know the circumstances of the Shattering enough though. But the number of people involved might've played as much of a role as Adonalsium's own nature. We do have a WoB that confirms that if the circumstances were different there could have been a different 16

You're welcome! It does seem to be a Nightblood power though. He's not a normal sword. You don't need to cut someone to kill. The moment the sheath is up even a little, he is free to kill

Welcome to the Shard @Atras! No, as the others said, Rayse is the original Yolish holder of Odium. I think that if what you were wondering was whether Odium could be split into two Shards (like a reverse Harmony) then yeah, that could happen

@mathiau, Extesian has a good theory on silver in his topic, "Silver in the Cosmere". Perhaps you would be interested?

The Nightwatcher frowns, perhaps not comprehending or perhaps angry at not being able to comprehend human jokes or perhaps simply thinking that she was being mocked. "Is that so, little supplicant?", she asks, "If nonsense words attract you so... I think I have just the boon for you and a fitting curse" You are transported to Hogwarts. You are now Filch. "A school of wishy-washy, if you will", her voice echoed, "now for the other part of the wish, I shall take it literally. By which I mean..." "Mr Filch" a voice interrupts. You turn to see a hawk-nosed man with greasy hair walking towards you, smiling unpleasantly. "I have a task for you", he said, "a while ago someone stole some of the Felix Felicis I had made and tried to..." his lips curled "mix it with water in a misguided attempt to make more of it" He looked at you, his curled lip turning from a bad caricature of a smile to something resembling true pleasure. "The problem is", he continued, "only three people had access to my workshop. Me, Professor Dumbledore and you. I do not appreciate being stolen from, Mr Filch! But perhaps we can come to an agreement" Yup, that was definitely genuine happiness in Snape's eyes, you thought. "You will scrub clean the cauldrons of House Slytherin. Recently they tried to make the very same potion that you stole. Do not try to interrupt me! I know it was you! Who else would be so uneducated so as to put water in it! Filthy Squib! And even if it wasn't you who stole it who else could've been so lousy with keeping the keys safe from children? I do surely hope you'll not suggest that me or Professor Dumbledore could ever make that mistake?" You stare at him. Too much had happened and too fast. "Well? What are you waiting for?" he snarled at you, "quit gaping, get to it!" As you still stood there, completely dumbfounded, the Nightwatcher's voice echoed again "your curse is that in this place of magic, you shall be the outcast. You will get to see magic but never cast it" Numb, you could hear the smile in her voice. No, you thought desperately.... I wish for the standard triad of superpowers (the Superman package): super strength, flight, invulnerability

Heartily agreed! Oh how he wanted, no needed both. As Kaladin later notes with "then why are you still still hurting?", Jasnah too notes his self-validation seeking behavior in the chapter where she roasts him in front of Shallan, I think Pathfinder meant that Amaram wanted to be seen as a saviour, not that he actually had his priorities straight, wanting to save people

@Pathfinder, that's exactly what I said? The rest of the quote is about Taravangian. Though I would also include desperate need for self-validation for Amaram. Devotion + Ruin = Nihilism or Self-Destruction Cultivation + Ambition = Progress/Development Dictatorship, I think would be Dominion + Odium; Ambition + Autonomy can't be Dictatorship, Anarchy though... Odium + Ruin = Wrath Odium + Preservation = Pettiness, I think? Could also be Hatred or Rivalry Endowment + Ruin = Trickery (like actual Nordic Loki level) or even Cyclical Destruction Honor + Cultivation = Self-Development (I think the Oaths of Surgebinding show this pretty well) Preservation + Ruin = (aside from Harmony and the prophesized Discord) again perhaps Cyclical Destruction or Mutability Honor + Odium = Passion!!!

Hey, @The traveller, let's talk Shard combos then! I have Odium + Autonomy (+ Kelsier) = Revolution!!! Ambition + Autonomy might be a better fit for that though As for Cultivation + Odium I did include Oppression, which I think fits better than Imperialism. I put Vengeance there because cultivating hatred, like hatching a revenge plot..

Perhaps Electrum (as an alloy of gold and silver) might provide a hint? It definitely has a spiritual component to be able to access Fortune. It is also the Pushing metal to Gold's Pulling. On Threnody, it can repel and hurt Shades, Cognitive entities. Yeah, I got nothing. Maybe it repels Investiture, kinda like you said. Hmm... maybe the other alloys, which are used to alloy the Pushing metals, i.e. the secondary metal, aside from the primary, base metal which is the Pulling metal, might be similarly interesting as silver?

Scadrial seems the most likely, their magic system seems to facilitate FTL travel the easiest, as well as putting space travellers into stasis. We've already seen them develop airships. Plus medallions! The Three Metallic Arts don't seem to provide access to the Cognitive Realm (though there are multiple access points to the Spiritual Realm built into the magics). The Kandra are very good at playing dead, like the emissary who conveniently died from choking. Roshar seems the next most likely. There's that chouta comment. Plus, the Surges of Adhesion controlling pressure and vacuum, and the Surge of Gravitation are also ripe for use in spacefaring. They too seem like they might be on the verge of developing air ships (go Navani!) Plus fabrials! Sel also seems likely. The Ire, at least, were very knowledgeable about the Cosmere but they don't seem to care about Elantris, much less the entirety of Sel. The Selish would need to travel by physical space rather than through the Cognitive Realm due to the Dor. Taldain... no clues one way or another. They are technologically advanced (at least on Darkside) and definitely should be interested in new forms of Investiture seeing that their's seems to be the weakest (Sand Mastery), the Investiture systems may very well be the Cosmere's version of an arms race... will Autonomy let two of her own worlds fight each other?..... come to think of it, she very well might. Nalthis... I think they'd have noticed if such *ahem* colourful people were to pay them a visit... but Vasher can hide his Heightening, so others may have learned to as well. Maybe very complex commands are now possible and there are national treasuries of Breath; entire civilizations and technological marvels fuelled by Breath. Threnody, much like Sel, they too have reasons to want to develop methods for interstellar travel via the Physical as they lack a stable Perpendicularity. The Ire wondered if "players" from Threnody were trying to "join the stage". We see (though through a second-hand source that Shades can be used in technology). Shade powered spaceships, anyone? I think analyzing their Shards might provide more helpful answers. Harmony might put on the trade restrictions, would Cultivation or Autonomy? Harmony didn't intervene with the Southern Scadrians. Or Autonomy between Dayside and Darkside. Cultivation switched, alongside Honor, to the Ashynites over the Singers. The Selish and Threnodites wouldn't have any such compulsions since their Shards are dead, rather I think the latter's Shard might've encouraged them. Would Endowment care? hmm..........

I've always wondered that... As for it being Adonalsium's god metal: I liked the theory that it was used to kill Adonalsium. We've seen it reacting negatively to Investiture before with Nightblood's sheath being made of that metal, the Voidspren having trouble finding the Soulcaster hiding within walls of this metal, itself being resistant to Soulcasting and possibly Forgery (as Ralkalest). Aluminium (which is what the rest of us call it) does have powers in the metallic art of Feruchemy (Allomancy and Hemalurgy seem to have it as reacting negatively to Investiture, metabolizing all ingested metals and removing all powers, respectively). Feruchemy, on the other hand, uses it to store Identity. Wait a minute... Or so goes my headcanon anyway

hmm... that's the exact thing that Amaram's character was suffering from. Taravangian not even considering the chance that he might be wrong, comes less from vanity and more from hopelessness, I think. Like I mentioned before, he is seeking to oppose a god. A god who killed the god he believed in. Taravangian being the Nightwatcher's Bondsmith theory is very popular right now, right alongside Navani being the Sibling's Bondsmith. I really don't want the latter to happen! I want her to remain one of the grounding characters and I want her role to genuinely be one of Rosharan scientific discovery. As for Taravangian... who knows? He might go to the Nightwatcher again and simply ask for the boon of bonding her. I'd like to see that. Cultivation + Odium could be Revenge or Vengeance, I guess. It could also be Oppression perhaps.

Gah! Now I gotta know what your favourite films are! Spirited Away, Nausicaa, Princess Mononoke, Totoro, Arietty, Howl's Moving Castle, Castle in the Sky, Grave of the Fireflies, Children Who Chased Lost Voices, Kiki's Delivery Service, The Tale of Princess Kaguya, The Place Promised in Our Early Days... those films... *sniffles*... memories

That's physically not possible due to the fact that absolute zero (0° Kelvin) stands at -273.15° Celsius or 459.67° Fahrenheit but eh, details Since the last player didn't make a wish, let me launch it off again with a wish I wish for... power

Hahaha! In trying to argue morality there's always rotten apples aplenty! But my point still stands, @Bigmikey357, that was Moash's idea of gratitude and Kaladin was, in fact, tempted. As we all would've been if we'd had the same choice. He tried to pay him back the only and best way that he could think of. Yes, it only adds to his wretchedness but that, to me just adds to the tragedy of his character. And lo: this thread of discussion came to be!

What is the most important goat a man can take? It's the next goat, always the next goat I am, unfortunately the Goat of Ages The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their goats I've learned that goats will forget what you said, goats will forget what you did, but goats will never forget how you made them feel. Edit: Oh no, these came out a bit worse than I expected them to... Here's some nice ones: Iä! Iä! Goat fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Goat R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! If your goats don't scare you, they aren't big enough I... am Goat-man *snaps*