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That's because Sazed is a nice man and he doesn't want to spy on people when he's uninvited. After Kelsier Ascended he could hear everyone, SH ch 6-4: My headcanon is that it was Preservation directly. He sent Sazed to chase after Vin and he can talk to a select few - like Kelsier talking to Spook or Vin to Elend. Leras also once talked to Kelsier, when he Snapped in the Pits. Barriers between realms weaken when people are close to death, that's why Preservation was able to say a word to Kelsier and in my opinion that's why he was able to say those words to Sazed. But that's my headcanon - it could have been just Sazed realizing that. SH ch 6-4: WoA ch 58: We don't know. There was Ruin't perpendicularity directly below the Pits and that was used to travel between realms. However we don't know why destroying geodes also destroyed this Perpendicularity. In my opinion that was Ruin's essence connected to him that was leaking in this point because there was so much Ruin's essence in general. Once Atium geodes were destroyed, the thing that attracted that investiture to leak here disappeared, thus it stopped gathering there, it faded. But truthfully we don't know. Or it could have been just because of Atium, with no Shardpool being there. A huge concentration of investiture can open a conduct without a Shardpool being there. When Kelsier destroyed the Pits, that investiture stopped gathering there, the conduct was closed. But that explanation causes problems, as in Kandra's Trust there was no such conduct there for some reasons. Either way we don't really know what precisely happened there. Yes, that's required too. You need to know and have enough power. Look at that first WoB below in Treamayne's quote - "And I do think that in strongest applications, Allomancy is going to be moving beyond metals and moving toward things like fundamental forces." That's what Wax was seeing. The more powerful you are the more you can push on, but you need to have that intent, for that you need to know - and you can realize that once you have that power. It's both. Normal Mistings can learn to do that, but a spike in your eye changes your body, it makes it adapt to your new spike, shifts your brain and changes how your vision works. That's why a spike into an eye gives you steelsight - but we don't know if any spike can do that or if it has to be some specific type of spike. But just like Inquisitors can see traces of metals in your body, they still can't push them - they lack the power to do that. Then I propose that it's the nature of Allomancy. Invested Arts are physical manifestations of fundamental forces of Cosmere and on Scadrial those forces manifest as Metallic Arts. One of those forces may be something like electromagnetic forces and bonds - that's represented by Allomantic steel and iron. Metals are the easiest to influence via that force. But we have no real explanation for why this is happening. No idea. Allomancy would consider those as metas even if they can't be pushed? But this WoB is about metals and metalloids on the periodic table - which is the majority of elements - all of them are metals from an Allomantic point of view, but not every one of them can be pushed. It's probably something that will be explored in Era 3 or 4. Because Scadrial and all metal on it was directly created by Ruin and Preservation, it's literally made out of their essence. Other Shards just settled already existing planets. It may be also because it glows in the eyes of Scadrians - who are invested with the same power that leaks glows through metals - power of Ruin and Preservation and only their power. But again, we don't really know why. It's called innate investiture, part of your soul. There is also kinetic investiture - investiture that is doing something (like steel pushing) and static investiture, that is held by something or someone, but currently doesn't do anything (metalminds, Stormlight breathe in etc). If you want to learn more, check out its Coppermind page. In my opinion F-nicrosil stores ONLY innate investiture, not kinetic, not static - you can't store Mists in there, or Dor, or Stormlight, only abilities. You can store Divine Breaths because those are innate investiture and because of that you should be able to store normal Breaths too. They are innate investiture as well. Actually they do. You can tap metalminds and store in them as well while holding the Bands, just like with normal Malwish medallions, and you don't really have to store in Bands/medallions, you can just store in a different piece of metal. Bands do store innate investiture responsible for granting you all Feruchemical power in the same way as medallions do. They also store all innate investiture responsible for storing all Allomantic powers - we don't know if they work like in medallions or differently. In my opinion normal Feruchemical nicrosil stores innate investiture (abilities) just like you store speed in a steelmind - for example 1h of 50% of your Allomantic steel ability and you can tap with diminishing returns too. This is a finite power, it will run out, it's an attribute. In the case of medallions this is more restrictive and it works like a coppermind - you have it or you don't and that's how all Feruchemical powers are stored in the Bands, with a big reserve of attributes stored in each metalmind. But Allomantic powers aren't stored in that way in the Bands, they are an attribute stored in Nicrosilmind - you have to tap it while holding them to be able to use Allomancy and that runs out over time. But this is my opinion, we still are missing some pieces of information about Bands. We know there are no Allomantic medallions and that's significant. What medallions are doing specifically is that because they have a bit of lifeforce and identity of their own, they grant you Feruchemical unsealed powers without you needing to tap them consciously. They do it for you, they bond you and give you powers. That's why those Feruchemical abilities are stored like in a coppermind. Yes. Wax at the end of BoM noted that the Bands are nearly empty but they can easily refill them via Compounding. Yes, I agree with you. Innate investiture. It's still the same type of investiture. Both Feruchemical powers and Allomantic powers are innate investiture. I disagree that Nicrosil can store kinetic investiture with no powers, because Marasi had to swallow metal flakes to use Allomancy. That means that the Bands store Allomantic powers in the form of innate investiture. You wouldn't need metals for kinetic investiture, it would be already in the current form. You mean Fullborn, a person like Rashek? The Bands prove it isn't impossible. The problem however is to create a metallion that can grant more than 3 or 4 powers. Malwish are currently unable to do that. That's kinetic investiture they are gaining when burning metals. But that doesn't give them abilities, their abilities are that they can burn those metals in the first place, to draw in kinetic investiture. That's the problem with this idea. If it's kinetic investiture then it's already in the form after metal was burnt, it's a power already filtered by a metal, so you don't need to burn anything. You would just release it. False. You can't draw in Stormlight if you aren't a Surgebinder. You can't use investiture if you lack a proper ability. You need to have something in your soul that will allow you to use investiture - that's Invested Arts, innate investiture. The only exception to this is Hemalurgy and Awakening - everyone can use it (if you have Breaths in the case of Awakening, which are innate investiture).

Treamayne has already explained it well, but I will add something from me. I disagree that Metalminds are sufficient, we have no proof of this - Wax wouldn't have needed to put on his earring to talk to Harmony. A Metalmind doesn't crack your soul and you need that crack for Ruin to talk to you. With no crack, Ruin can't talk. A Metalmind isn't enough, nor any regular, uninvested metal isn't enough. You need to have one of three things: a Hemalurgic spike, insanity which cracks your Spirit Web or a sufficiently strong Connection to a Shard. When Ruin was imprisoned, Preservation "kind of" Splintered a part of him and trapped that essence as physical Atium in the Pits of Hathsin. This investiture was fully independent from Ruin - I mean by that it took away Ruin's strength and didn't return to Ruin after it was used up. It was locked in an Atium cycle, beyond Ruin's reach and control. A Mistborn burning Atium would cause this investiture to be expanded but instead of returning to Ruin, it would return to the Pits after around 300 years (said in TFE after Kelsier destroyed them). That means when Elend and his Seers burnt Atium it caused its investiture to disappear from the Physical Realm but it didn't return to Ruin, it would slowly return to the Pits only after 300 years - Ruin would have to wait 300 years to get that investiture incorporated back into his being. He needed to essentially "eat" it and he couldn't have done that if it wasn't physical. That's why stockpiling it made sense - Rashek was partially aware of Preservation's plan and prepared for all Atium to be used up when the time has come. Even if he wasn't fully aware what that would accomplished, he still wanted to give his people a few more years to live - that plan would gave them 300 more years to live and come up with a solution. The short answer is Brandon wanted to do magic with metals. The long answer is metals in general are special in Cosmere, they have some sort of spiritual component that allows some of them to react to investiture. Not every metal from the periodic table is pushable, but they have a relationship. Metal is very important in Cosmere - investiture manifests as metallic as seen by Atium and Lerasium, or even Shardpools have that metallic look to them. Metal conducts power form SR, which you see especially on Scadrial where metal glows in CR and blinds even Shards. All those things likely contribute to the fact that metals are the easiest things to push. Another thing as Treamayne said is people's perception and their current knowledge - they aren't aware of what they can do. Slight Tress spoilers WoB: Alendi had a Hemalurgic spike, Ruin influenced prophecies to make sure he would have worn one. He was a double Seeker, able to hear pulses of the Well. I have to disagree a bit. That was the explanation before the Atium retcon was explained by Peter. Previously as we understood it, Preservation swapped bendalloy and cadmium to Atium (Atium-electrum alloy) and Malatium in Metallic Arts, but now with the retcon known, it doesn't make sense anymore. Atium Mistings are electrum Mistings, Malatium Mistings are gold Mistings - there is no reason to swap any metals because they are already usable by a specific group of people. So now bendalloy and cadmium were part of Metallic Arts before Catacendre, those Mistings were running around the Final Empire not knowing they are Mistings (just like chromium and nicrosil Mistings) and the only thing Preservation needed to do was to program Mistsnapping mechanism to make electrum Mistings ill for 16 days, to give a sign to humanity. There is no need for alteration because Atium and Malatium are already included in Metallic Arts by their nature of god metal alloys. In my opinion all those WoBs talking about Preservation rewriting Metallic Arts are out of date, because they don't really make much sense if you consider that Atium Mistings were just electrum Mistings. It only makes sense if you make in-world characters think of Atium Mistings as separate from electrum Mistings, so that they wrongfully thought Preservation altered Metallic Arts to include those metals in them, just like they wrongfully think that Atium isn't an alloy. But in reality Preservation didn't have to do that. P.S. I highly advise you to make space in your posts between quote boxes and spoiler boxes (like I do) because they blend together really well, if you don't space them out. I can't count how many times I skipped your WoBs because a quote box was right below them.

Oh no, she definitely wouldn't have gotten "stronger," she is even more broken than before, fully insane with layers of PTSD. She would have broken down immediately after being caught. I think there is some truth to Shallan seeing her mother's soul behind the painting. Most Fused were in a slumber at that time and Heralds once they arrive on Braize spend some time hiding before they are eventually catched and tortured. In my opinion at first, something happened with her soul in the safe, then she faded to Braize, but because most Fused were asleep and those who weren't were busy torturing Taln, she could have hidden for much longer than normally. Nobody would have expected a Herald to suddenly show up on Braize after 4500 years and that gave her a bit more time to hide.

At the top right of your fist post there is the three dots menu, click it, choose "edit" option and you will be able to both change the title of this thread and edit the starting post. But in my opinion it isn't really needed. Everyone will understand what you mean by that. It's more of a cosmetic change.

It's a password, so it will be "password" for me. P.S. Those aren't Commands, those are security phrases.

No information about this in Handerwym's notes, but I think you're referring to this, HoA ch 42 epigraph: Note that Harmony is only speculating here, he doesn't know this. Plus he calls this as "humanity" not identity - those things are different. One doesn't need Identity to have humanity. I agree that they have to be unkeyed firstly, but that isn't a full picture, there must be something else that overwrites spike's identity with mistwraith's identity. Alternatively, like @Trusk'our said they may have an identity of their own, like medallions. But that would mean each Blessing would have to have a unique identity (just like medallions because they don't work together) and Paalm was able to make new spikes with the same identity. Weird but possible.

So the timeline is more or less like that: around 11000 years after the Shattering WoK takes place (in Rosharan years that's ~6000 years to Aharietiam and 4500 years to WoK), then, from the year 1173 (1167 if you start at Gavilar's assassination) to 1175/1176 the first 5 books of SA take place. Then there is a 10-15 year gap in between SA 5 and SA 6, during which Mistborn Era 2 takes place, which spans across 6-10 years (don't remember now). However, the Threnody story takes place before WoK but after Mistborn Era 1 and Warbreaker. We don't know the precise placement of SfSitFoH (that's a perfect acronym). In later WoBs Brandon decided that Warbreaker takes place a few generations before WoK, however based on that alone we don't know if it's still before or after the Threnody story. Brandon often changes the chronology and in the past SoS was placed hundreds of years before WoK, we have to ask Brandon when Silence takes place relative to Warbreaker to know for sure. The problem with this happening relatively recently is that this would send ripples across the entire scientific community - everyone on Roshar and Scadrial (even on Threnody) would notice that the Scar suddenly turned red and this would have been mentioned. And also this doesn't solve the problem of those stars noticeably dimming within just a few decades. Something like this would be a massive event. Sometimes obvious things are ok and needed. Other alternatives are that they are just a bunch of red giants existing in the same area for whatever reasons - it is believed that Cosmere was created by Adonalsium and he might have wanted to have those stars there with some goal in his mind. He created the Rosharan system which is very unusual already. Another option that I've just thought of today, based on the WoB about a Shard trying to escape Cosmere, is that it was Ambition's investiture which Odium Splintered and moved into PR, scattering it across huge area, making a nebula of investiture - this isn't in stars, but in front of those stars. It may or may not be corrupted. There were WoBs saying that Odium had learnt from Sel and he did something different yet similar to Ambition to prevent someone from Ascending - it may be just that. So that was Ambition who tried to escape Cosmere and the Scar is a literal scar where Ambition was finally killed. But that's a giant speculation. Or it can be something unknown - maybe it's just a cloud of normal dust, as Isaac said. I really had fun here I like space related stuff, even if I'm not educated enough, I still learnt a bit having this discussion with you.

No. Surgebinding is much, much better than Metallic Arts, because of its fuel. To equal Stormlight to Metallic Arts you would have to look at Vin at the beginning of her Ascension or look at TLM usage of pure Dor - that's the power you need to equal Stormlight, which is not available for normal people. A normal Twinborn powered by metals is unable to reach that level of power comparable to what Stormlight provides. Scadrial is a low investiture world, while Roshar is high - burning metals and using Feruchemy moves relatively little investiture compared to what is happening in Surgebinding. Just holding Stormlight provides as much or even more power as A-pewter or F-gold gives you, and that's without using any Surges. This choice is like choosing between a toothpick or a sword.

Well you need a specific container and investiture used to make it is a gas - not very heavy. You would need a lot of it to make such an amount of anti-light and that can be problematic because it won't fit into any container. Well, we'll see how Brandon resolve this in KoWT.

I didn't ever propose that they would disappear once outside Cosmere. I said they would dim rapidly as they are moving away and they would leave Cosmere and the galaxy very quickly. It will dim based on the infrared - wavelengths below blue would be shifted into infrared. But I don't even account for redshift dimming, I assume everyone would observe them as they are already moving away at that speed, so nobody would know how they looked before getting that speed. Yes, it seems likely. Their eyesight adapted to red color, just like in Yumi spoilers: With 0.67c it's impossible for them to get far enough and still be that bright. The brightness of the light must decrease following the inverse-square law. You said it yourself, I have nothing else to add. The parallax happens relative to something. If you can't find a reference point, you can't do that. But that was not my point at all. You can't see several stars in both a curve and a straight line from a few light years away, if those stars are really far away. They would look the same - the entire constellation would become smaller overtime, but the shape would be the same - either curve or a straight line. Not both at the same time. This means those stars HAVE to be close to be viewed differently from different vantage points. And if they are close, they can't move at the ludicrous speed of 0.67c. They should be moving relative to each other. Each star has their own velocity, sometimes they are in groups and move together. But if they are inside a star cluster, which moves together from the outside point of view, then from the inside perspective all stars would move a bit differently, they would wiggle, each in their own direction. If you then suddenly accelerate to 0.67c then those stars would just shoot out in random directions, scattering the entire constellation within a single lifespan of a person. There would be no Scar at all, unless the Scar is a moving group within the star cluster - but that can't be the case because not every star in the Skar is red. Cosmere is a star cluster, the one that fits the most to its description is an open cluster - so that's from where we can estimate the dimensions of Cosmere. Disagree. Cosmere is specifically a star cluster and Shards were unable to leave Cosmere up to this point. The story might leave Cosmere but it still be about Cosmere. That's not my full argument. My argument is that they are moving too fast for people not to see them dimming and changing shapes within their lifetime. If they were moving since the Shattering, they would no longer be the brightest object in the night sky because they would be simply too far away. There is no way for the Scar to be perceived as both curved and straight if they are far away, and because they are moving really fast it takes a very short time to be far away to be viewed as one shape from all of Cosmere. And while speed and distance aren't the same, they are dependent on - v=d/t. If stars are moving tens of light years within a single lifespan then that change in distance would produce a noticeable change to the brightness and shape of the Scar. It's not the galactic scale that matters anymore, it's a human space. Those speeds are too much not to produce changes in the night sky. And the Scar is within Cosmere, thus those stars are really close, so a drastic change in distance starting from that close point would produce a drastic change on a night sky - which is not observed.

Investiture is energy, so nothing is lost and conservation of energy and investiture still applies here. Soulcasting uses investiture only as a fuel and that would circle back to the SR after a Soulcasting is done. The matter is conserved in the case of Soulcasting - the mass of the object you're Soulcasting is the same before and after it. For example 1 kg rock would turn into 1 kg of smoke. So sure you can produce fossil fuels but that would cost you investiture, so you have to calculate if that's even cost efficient at all. You have to spend a lot of energy to "get" some energy. And because burning fossil fuels requires tons of material, I doubt it would be very efficient. Does Roshar even need fossil fuels? What do you do with them? Burn them. What does it do? Boils water which spins magnets or coils. What does Roshar have? Fabrails that can move stuff. What does Roshar need to do? Use fabrials to spin magnets. Voilà - electricity fueled by investiture. They don't need to burn anything and this kind of a power plant would be more efficient than even a nuclear one, because heat is not lost in the process - there is no heat generated by Stormlight. Only friction is your problem, and imperfect gemstones. Yes, it's possible. Cosmere has the same periodic table as ours with the addition of god metals. But why bother with any of this when you have investiture anti-investiture reaction, working in the same way as matter anti-matter annihilation? It's just annihilation with extra steps. Just combine Stormlight with Anti-Stormlight and you have a 100% release of energy.

True, but only partially. Both examples are still possible, a Shard can change its name entirely as long as it remains within the borders of its core intent - which stays deep inside the Shard. The word is just a focus of the whole intent, the intent of a Shard is much broader than the word. In the case of Ati, back then there would be no difference in calling the Shard Ruin or Entropy - per WoB: That's because Ati successfully provided this interpretation for his Shard. The problem with Rayse could have been that only "part of him" believed that he was Passion, not all of him (WoB in my previous post). But as you pointed out Passion is a far greater concept than just Odium, it encompasses all emotions and yet some emotions like love are absent from this Shard. However, Taravangian Ascended while feeling all emotions and the Shard loved it - Rayse made a significant difference in how the Shard is expressed, it wants more emotions, it is more than just hatred, but the conversion isn't complete yet. It's certainly possible given what the power "thinks" now. RoW ch 113&114:

Yes, I understood him correctly, I agree it's something about identity, but just no identity from the donor isn't enough because anyone would be able to use that spike - ReLuur wasn't able and it's generally dangerous to do that. Spikes have to be keyed to the identity of the receiver somehow and we don't know of any such mechanism. Identity of spikes remains the same and isn't overwritten by the identity of the receiver. No other spike works like this. And while TenSoon was wearing OreSeur's spikes, he also was wearing his own spikes, keyed to him. That would help him because his identity was preserved and personality was maintained by his own spikes.

And they are vastly smaller than a galaxy. We don't know how luminous they are. The point is they would be getting significantly dimmer as they would travel further away from Cosmere. And because of the speed involved here, this difference would be huge and noticeable for anyone within their lifespan. And yet the entire constellation is still one of the brightest on the night sky on multiple planets at multiple different times. Nobody has ever noticed that this constellation is getting dimmer. I don't think parallax matters here that much, it's measured against a background of distant stars. The Parallax you measure from Earth is really small and almost unnoticeable with the naked eye. It would explain the change of position relative to the background, not the change of shape of the Scar, because the shape would look the same for all planets within Cosmere if the Scar was really far away. The only way for Scar's shape to change is for those stars to be very close - then they can't look as a straight line from one point or curved from the another. This doesn't really matter. We know that the Scar is in Cosmere, because it's included in the star chart, so it can't be far away. It is close. It can't be close and within Cosmere if it travels with 0.67c. They ain't coming back with that speed. TSM spoilers: It's not. I was simply pointing out that it's the only reddish star outside of stars in the Scar on the star chart, which is very weird if you ask me. All the other stars are either white or yellow. Even more, not every star in the Scar constellation is even red - there are multiple yellow ones, most notably the one forming the horn of the dragon. That's another argument why the Scar can't move away, because not every star is red and if only some would move away then the constellation would just fall apart and scatter.

And yet he died at the end, as all men have to.

I think you're onto something. But they can't be unkeyed, they have to adapt and be keyed to the identity of a Mistwraith they were given to. Otherwise they would be interchangeable and one Kandra could wear spikes of another Kandra instead of his own. However this is not possible as ReLuur rejected TenSoon's spike. Wearing spikes of another Kandra can cause personality changes. They have to be keyed to the identity of Kandra somehow. BoM ch 3:

I don't think it would be like that. A Vessel is incapable of swearing an oath that they can't keep due to Shardic intent or other circumstances. A Shard can be forced into a deal that they don't like and that won't change the way they look at themselves. A Vessel needs to change the way they're perceiving their Shard - that's how you change Shard's intent. Perception not oaths. Vessel's perception filters the way Shard's intent is manifested. The struggle of wills between Vessel and their Shard refers to something different. It's about Vessels attempting to push against Shardic intent to preserve their personality - Intent of a Shard tries to mold the mind of a Vessel and over time it will always succeed. Even in the case of Rayse, who tried so hard to change Odium into Passion, he had already lost this struggle against Intent. Ati had lost as well but he succeeded in redirecting Ruin to focus on entropy and natural decay rather than just destruction.

Actually we don't know that. As seen by Kaladin's example, even when they are Radiants, their eyes slowly fade back to their original color when they don't summon their Shardblades for some time. I don't remember if non-Radiant lighteyes were even mentioned in Dalinar's visions but he was constantly surprised by seeing darkeyes in the position of power. You mean they haven't changed for 2000 years? I say it's impossible for them not to change drastically in that time.

No: For me it's a fact now

That's right, holding a Shard is a contest of wills: Yes, the longer a Cognitive Shadow lives, the more it becomes like a spren - focused on one thing only and overcome by their intent. Yes, it's possible. That's what Rayse was trying to do, to change Odium into Passion (it was Odium from the beginning). But Shards can change their intent because of their Vessel to a reasonable degree - you can't change the intent too far away from the original idea, this idea is still within the Shard, the intent, the name is just its interpretation.

After the first book. I struggled a lot with the first book and nearly gave up while reading it. But I continued and I'm so glad that I did it because now this series is one of my favorites. The second and third books are one of the best in the entire series, while the first book is the weakest. And while there are some boring parts from time to time, it's not as bad as in the first book and the story is getting better and better.

No it's not that easy:

Yes, Shardblades are resilient to that form of anti-light. It seems that solid form of investiture would not react like that because it's solid and gaseous anti-light has a hard time interacting with it. It's much harder to mix a gas with a solid than to mix a gas with a gas.

Per your calculation it's 0.67c, that's 0.67 light years per year - since the Shattering 11000 years has passed, so that would mean by the time of RoW they are 7370 light years away (if we assume they started moving at those speeds when the Shattering happened). That's far too far for them to be that bright and able to form a constellation like that from different planets in Cosmere. They would be out of Cosmere during a single lifetime and some would be out of the galaxy (Milky Way is around 1000 ly high) really fast. Moreover the Scar constellation looks different from different planets. This means they have to be close, because stars 7370 ly away would look more or less the same on every planet in Cosmere. Yet from one planet they look as a straight line, on other it curves - it changes shape, it has to be close. Lastly, the Scar stars are considered to be inside Cosmere for quite some time - if those stars were moving that fast they would have left Cosmere long ago. How long? It's a star cluster of around 100 stars. That means that Cosmere is an open cluster (it's far too small to be a globular cluster) and those are around 30 ly in diameter, containing a few hundred stars. Only 30 light years across - that means those stars would need around 44 years to leave Cosmere. Just 44 years. It's far more likely that the Scar is red because that's where the Ambition was splintered and it indicates corrupted investiture - only red stars on the star chart are in the Dragon constellation and the Threnody star - and we know what happened in Threnody. Speeds you proposing are too ridiculously fast to make it work in any way. Rosharan year is longer, it's 1.1 times Earth/Scadrian year, but yes, it has been around 11000 years since the Shattering: The Milky Way isn't a sphere. It's a disk. And it depends in which direction they travel. The Sun is around 28 000 light years from the Galactic Center. And the Milky Way is only around 1000 ly in height. It would take around 700 years to leave in that direction with 0.67c, if Cosmere is in the middle of the galactic height. Orbits of stars around the galactic center aren't contained in a plane, like planet orbits are. They oscillate up and down relative to the galactic plane. Most stars we see in the night sky are in our galactic neighborhood, around 1000 ly away. They are very close. If stars were moving at 0.67c they would noticeably change their position over years, breaking the shape of their constellation. Cosmere is a star cluster, stars are more densely packed compared to the Sun's surrounding and Cosmere would be brighter. From where? How? With 628 times the escape velocity of the galaxy they are never coming back. They aren't in orbit anymore.