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I'm not talking about Sleepless, as you know. There is a big difference between Sleepless and normal insects, one is multifunctionality (they have Larkin Hordlings, they can simply Leech Stormlight out of their plates), other is that Hordlings are both alive and quite large. Smaller, Earth-like insects would do the job far more effectively and unnoticeably until a Shardbearer sees them crawling into their eye slits. At this point it’s too late. I'm not asking those insects to do something that they aren't already doing naturally, just find an opening (eye slit) and eat their eyes. Basically hunt their prey, which is defined by Awakener’s simple Commands. That is not very complicated, insects are capable of doing stuff like this. They are dead, they don't generate heat, they are cold, warmth won't harm them at all. You would need to burn them. The same goes for any chemical bug repellants - they are dead, this won't work on them well. Judging by Masaka's behavior I think Sleepless won't become an invasive species in the future. But overall you raised some good points how to deal with Sleepless, however this isn't really for this topic. And you made me realize, a Sleepless could beat the crap out of a Shardbearer any time they want. That's a good one. How could I miss that?

I wouldn't say they can see 360 degrees, they can definitely see the movement of steel lines behind their back, but they don't really see what's there. Steelsight can distinguish colors and types of metals and they can see through walls (but steel lines get thinner the thicker or denser they are). However, unlike Wax seeing blue lines pointing towards metal cables in the wall, a full steelsight would see every trace of metal inside the wall, thus it would blind you seeing through it (just like throwing pewter dust blinds an inquisitor), but you should still see lines pointing through the wall towards bigger, metallic objects - you could at least see them moving. Phone screens are your worst enemy. An eye patch wouldn't stop steelsight, but I think it would be pretty distracting. it would be really hard to conceal spikes in your eyes. Wearing glasses for blind people would kind of help, but that's more traces of metal closer to your eyes, blinding you. Maybe over time you could learn how to ignore that, just like your brain ignores your nose, but time is needed. HoA prologue: HoA ch 34: AoL ch 14:

Simply Awaken Lifeless bugs that would climb onto the Shardbearer, through their eye slits and gouge out their eyes. Other bugs can crawl into their mouth, bite their neck to open their veins or even try to crack their gems, if equipped with diamond tipped mandibles. Sure, you sacrify dozens of Breaths but you have a force that can't be stopped.

My point was that Bavadin could have done something different instead of shutting down a perpendicularity directly - like with a bomb. She could have tweaked investiture in the system, which would have caused a cascade of effects, eventually disrupting the way her Perpendicularity worked. That's what I meant! She has millions of years before that will happen, she's fine. That does not make any sense. Shard's core? I would argue that physical investiture dropped into a black hole is separated from its Shard almost permanently, thus anything that a Shard would drop into it would be lost - just like any matter or energy falling into it would be lost. It would take a really, really, really long time for the Hawking radiation to radiate that as energy back into the universe and that would eventually find its way back to the original Shard. But as far as humans or Vessels are concerned, that investiture would be forever lost to them in that black hole. Spiritual investiture should be unaffected by a black hole because in SR time and space have no meaning. But on the other hand physical investiture exists in all three realms anyway, so what's the difference? Either way what you are proposing wouldn't work. Saying "a Shard's core would be in a black hole" has no sense as that's not where Shards exist, they are in the Spiritual Realm. They are almost infinite, so anything finite in the Physical Realm isn't even a significant fraction of Shard's total power. The problem is that your assumptions of "the Dor being 10/1000 m away from any point of PR," doesn't correspond to how CR works. CR is location dependent, each point in CR corresponds to real location in PR. That's why you can't take the entire mass of the Dor in CR and stick it to a single point in PR over and over again. To make this work you would have to consider that each region of PR is affected by a different "pocket" of the Dor in CR, so you would have to separate the Dor into multiple singular "Dors" to calculate this correctly. But that would cause a whole bunch of other problems. If you want to calculate time dilation for the entire planet it's better to consider that the Dor is overlaid over the entire planet, so you can just simply assume a common center of mass, ignoring problems that come with it (because either way gravitational effects of the Dor CAN'T be happening, otherwise the entire system would be gone). I agree. It very much does matter. You've literally calculated the gravitational acceleration of a black hole in a given distance from it. So unless the Dor doesn't affect gravity, they would feel that, or rather they would be dead. No, I didn't mean that. They would not "fall" towards CR, they would fall towards a point in PR where that g is attracting them to. The timescales you're talking about are so incomprehensibly large that it doesn't really matter. An Earth-mass black hole (10^24 kg) would exist for ~10^57 seconds, compared to the age of the Universe, which is 4e+17 seconds. And that's without considering the temperature differences - for a black hole to evaporate, it would have to be hotter than the background temperature of the universe, otherwise it would be absorbing energy from the Cosmic Background Radiation faster than it's evaporating. Until the background temperature of the Universe goes below the temperature of that black hole, it won't even start evaporating. The smaller the black hole in mass the hotter it is - a black hole of the mass of the Moon (10^22 kg) would be finally hotter than the universe around it and it would start to evaporate. It would still take something like 10^49 seconds to evaporate. That's so long that it's basically eternal from the current universe perspective, not to mention human perspective. You can very much ignore all your concerns about black hole lifespan for smaller black holes. Hawking radiation is very, very, very slow.

Not a Shard, a Vessel.

Exactly like Bavadin, current Vessel of Autonomy. Just look how Bilming was described in TLM.

Topics like this already exist on the forum. https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en - here is an interactive map of Roshar, which shows all events happening in SA Here is another timeline of all major events relative to other books. Here are the most recent topics about Cosmere timeline (spoilers for Mistborn Era 2 and Warbreaker included):

Taravangian was not stabbed by Nightblood, it was just a normal dagger. Nightblood is too full to fit a Hemalurgic charge, just like a Shardblade would be. Moreover Taravangian had no intent of using Hemalurgy. It doesn't count as such. Nightblood is not made out of Raysium, but out of steel. What Nightblood does is he consumes and corrupts investiture - including human souls and bodies. He isn't like a Hemalurgic spike, he is like a Larkin. He already is so full of investiture that he leaks it as the black smoke.

True, but that doesn't really explain anything. It can be more similar to what Kelsier did in TFE - by destroying the Pits, he destroyed the Perpendicularity beneath and that's also would be considered as "using natural processes" - investiture naturally leaks in few places, big concentration of investiture tend to form a Perpendicularity, so if you prevent investiture from leaking, you prevent it from concentration and a Perpendicularity would cease to exist in that place. That's natural. Autonomy could have simply sent people to do that on Taldain, seal off the leakage from SR in that area, or create new regions where investiture leaks, but not so much to create a Perpendicularity, which might lessen the amount of investiture leaking where a Perpendicularity is, which might stop it from working. It's hard to say if Ire during SH were suffering from Reod or not. They are in CS, far away from the Elantris and Elantrians far away from Elantris lose visible signs of "Elantrianess." Riina can probably hack the system in the same way Shai did that, it's far enough in the future for this to become more common. Moreover Riino seems to have a big reputation on Roshar, big enough to attract people from PR to visit him. This suggests he spent a lot of time on Roshar already. And the way he talks about Desolations seems to imply that he is there for a very long time, long enough to be familiar with Surgebinders. Long enough to maybe witness Depositions or Radians. OB ch 97: This would align with the original timeline of Cosmere, when thousands of years were separating Elantris from SA. But a lot of things have changed since then so I simply want to point out that it's really hard to guesstimate anything because it all can be explained in multiple different ways. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that the Dor in CR is overlayed with the entire planet of Sel, thus you could just assume a common center of gravity? That would work better with overlying CR in PR. If by your calculation the entire Dor is equal in mass to the Sun (10^30 kg), then it works weird if you assume that the entirety of it is "stuck" only 10 meters below every single point on Sel - that's more like how SR works, not CR. And if you consider a common center of mass for both CR and PR (Sel is 9,600 km in radius), then the masses you calculate would actually be in the range of supermassive black holes, not Sun-like masses. Here is a problem with that. Those are quite big numbers. Selish people would feel them, wouldn't they? We know that Sellish g is 1.2 Cosmere standard g (which is Earth g), so in whatever way Dor affects Sel, it either produces change within the value of 1.2 g measured on Sel, or it doesn't affect gravity at all, which would be really weird with all we know about investiture = matter = energy. Every black hole evaporates. That's the smallest black hole we know of, only because stellar mass black holes are made from a star's core collapsing. So it's not like you can't have a smaller black hole because of evaporation (that's what your text sounds like), you can't have a smaller stellar mass black hole because you would need a smaller star and a supernova of a smaller star would produce a neutron star instead of a black hole because it wouldn't be massive enough. A hypothetical primordial black hole can be much smaller than that, but those would be made shortly after the Big Bang, pre-dating stars. The "way" a black hole causes a time dilation is no different that the way anything causes time dilation

The eye slit was there because moments before that his horse was killed and water splashed into his face through that open eye slit. About the lightning, look at the quote again - the first lightning was directed at him and that blinded him, the second lightning was fired "nearby" from "another group of Parshendi'' when he was "looking down at his armor," which suggest it happened to the side of Adolin (he was leading the charge on Parshendi lines, he was at the very front of Alethi lines) - that means the lightning was visible to him through the translucent sides of his helmet, not the front, not through the eye slit directly. And that's what we're talking about, isn't it? About other people who can fight against a Shardbearer? So yes, a Pewterarm can do. There are others who have access to invested arts that could find a way to throw stuff with more strength than a normal human arm is capable of, thus that tactic is very valid to use. It's ever a standard tactic for normal people to use hammers against a Shardbearer - you don't need to be a Warform to do that. Dead plates don't heal in combat. It takes a significant amount of time and Stormlight for a plate to heal. So big that after the Battle of the Tower Dalinar and Adolin had to use Stormlight that all of their 2653 men were carrying and that still wasn't enough to fully heal only one of their plates. Dead plates don't regenerate during a fight. WoK ch 69:

You can read more here: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ashyn#Magic But all information about it is from WoBs, so you can search for them too on Arcanum. I doubt it then. Those viruses would have to live in the Spiritual Realm, not in the Physical one. The Spiritual Realm, which is where Spirit Webs exists, is different - space and time are one there and only Investiture is in SR. As far as we know only Shards exist there fully, but they are investiture. The viruses from Ashyn grant powers via Connection, similar to how Aviars get their powers or Radiants. If such illnesses were present in Cosmere, they would be already visible all across Cosmere.

Correction, Wayne is a Bendalloy Misting, Marasi is a Cadmium Misting. It's really hard to say which abilities of Metalborns in Era 2 can be attributed to resonances. Wax's steel bubble can't be a resonance because a Coinshot in BoM uses the same power against Wax, in the train fight. It doesn't help that at first Wax was written as a steel Savant, but Brandon has to withdraw from this because it didn't feel right without Savant-like consequences. We don't know what Wayne's resonance is , but his ability to impersonate is not it. BoM ch 7:

Yup, it's about the intent of the last Shard (and because of that, this topic should be in the Cosmere Discussion section because it contains spoilers from other books). This WoK quote was noticed here - at least it was @mdross81 who inspired the questioner. Here are other, older WoBs which suggested a Shard with Wisdom-like name exists (they are almost 5 years old now):

It's fully Spiritual: Allomancy is basically your Connection to Preservation: Moreover Brandon still hasn't decided if Kandra actually replicate the DNA of the body they're wearing or not: Actually, that WoB was given after BoM was published. And that grafted part MeLaan gave Marasi was meant to hold up only until Marasi heals by herself.

Please provide a quote because I could not find one. I couldn't even find that part you're talking about. A Shardplate's helmet is made out of 2 parts - main body helmet and a visor - a faceplate - which opens up and uncovers the whole face, just like in classical medieval knight's helmets. That's what Shardbearers open or close. But that faceplate has an eye slit in it which CAN'T be closed in dead plates. Repeatedly throughout WoK and WoR it was said that the eye slit is the most vulnerable part of a Shardbearer, it was shows Dalinar and Adolin raising their hands to protect their eye slits from arrow volleys. I don't remember an eye slit on a dead plate being closed fully as you suggest - that's what can be done with a living plate, that's what Jasnah did in RoW. WoK ch 13: WoK ch 26: WoK ch 47: WoR ch 57: WoR ch 81: The only thing Adolin's helmet did was darken the translucency of it when lightnings were to bright, but that could be an effect of direct lightning hit which blackened his helmet from the outside - but it sounds like the helmet darkened that on its own because of this perfect overlay: I want to point out that you don't have to do enough damage to the plate to destroy a segment of it, you just need to crack it. Slingshots can do that. If you crack a plate, Stormlight starts to leak out, if you do that to every segment, that plate will eventually lose all its light and lock the Shardbearer with little to no mobility. That's an easy kill. Adolin defeated one of his opponents using this tactic in WoR.

Hey, Welcome to the Shard. The actual answer is quite simple - the image is not meant to represent actual Aons but rather it was just an artist who used whatever Aonic symbols they had on hand, they aren't accurate. WoB:

A Shardbearer would have no idea that a Seer can see the future. And Seers can always stop burning Atium. Oh, they are very overpowered. Elantrians can replicate any Invested Art in Cosmere. Elantrians can draw Aons faster than you think and there are a few very simple Aons (like Aon Daa) that would devastate a plate. A Shardbearer's eyes are his weak point anyway. They can raise a defensive energy barrier that would protect them from Shardblade's strikes and draw more complicated Aons if needed. Elantrians train their entire, eternal life in using Aons. Elantrians are so dangerous that even Dragons like Xisis fear them.

Your question is poorly phrased, I can answer Sazed/Harmony But excluding Shards and all Radiants, Rashek would do that - he's a Fullborn after all. Vin, Elend (he's not as skilled as the rest), Kel, Marsh and Wax would probably find a way to deal with them - just shoot them in the eyes (Kaladin almost did this with no powers and simple throwing daggers). Susebron would do that, but Vasher would beat them even faster without all those Breaths Susebron has (he almost jumped into the arena to help Adolin in WoR - WoB). And if all it takes to kill them is to pierce their eyes, Kenton with his Sand Mastery would win too. Tress would just throw a bunch of Aether spores in their face and that would do the job. Speaking of Aethers, Prasanva would have a chance too, he grows invested Aethers, they would resist Shardblade cuts and he can grow a golem and smash their plate into pieces with his mace. Even with just water at his disposal, he might be able to sneak an Aether spike into their eyes - but that would be much harder for him. And if we're already talking about characters from TLM, then Shai would win too, transforming into Shay-I the Elantrian - basically every Elantrian with some basic combat training will wipe the floor with a Shardbearer. And of course, any Seer would win if they have enough Atium. I cannot help but feel that Dalinar the Blackthorn would be up to this task too. But basically anyone with some form of Invested Art would most likely win.

I don't think so? They are physical pathogens, Connection is spiritual, it's hard to transmit something physical through something spiritual UNLESS it can Elsecall. And that can be possible. The most likely place we might be able to see something like that is Ashyn, where there is a disease based magic system, giving people powers. But I think a little virus that can teleport itself into another carrier is a bit too much.

Shades existed in the Forests of Hell before the continent was discovered by the Foresouts - that was before the Evil appeared, after Ambition's death. The Forescouts stumbled on the continent full of Shades. Threnodites from the Homeland didn't turn into Shades after death. The Evil seems to be unrelated to Shades. TSM spoilers: A thing to consider - some religions on Scadrial might have been developed not because of some direct Shard intervention, but rather a natural pattern of human migration and voyage in Cosmere. Just people who move, travel and trade will spread their ideas and their religious beliefs to other places and some of the natives might have gotten inspired and organized a religion around those ideas, based on the same teachings that exist on other planets. This might grant a foreign Shard some influence on Scadrial overtime, but that might have been simply an accident, not a deliberate action.

Hello, welcome to the Shard. I would encourage you to use more punctuation because it's hard to read such long posts with little to none of it. That wouldn't necessarily require a lot of investiture. What Vasher did, or rather that that girl did, was to store her memories in her Breath - innate investiture which is part of her soul. Heralds could potentially do the same, store their memories in their innate investiture (if possible, I find it unlikely), or in Breaths. Hoid does that already, he has only 200 Breaths which allow him to store memories of his entire life. But it has to be innate investiture, Breaths not Dor. Unfortunately that's not enough. Taking their memories away might help but the problem lies within their souls. A human soul isn't made to last for thousands of years. And while you can take their memories away, you can’t take away that damage their soul suffered through thousands of years of torture. It will keep affecting them. Taking their memories will help, but won’t heal them. Heralds already know they can do such thing, Hoid told them, RoW ch 83-89 epigraphs: But Taln is actually happy with what Heralds did, he perceives this as a fantastic gift to humanity, time to recover. OB ch 119: He's on vacation. He brought Nightblood to Roshar and now he's resting, feeding on Stormlight instead of souls. He ran away. Vivenna is there searching for Nightblood and Vasher. OB ch 108&110: Overall, helping Heralds to sort out their memories is a good first step, but that alone is not good enough, it won't heal their damaged soul.

It's an interesting connection you've observed, the only one there is beside the blackness of those things. However, you made me want to try harder and I did go back to look at quotes about the Shroud from Yumi and one thing picked up my attention, Yumi ch 39: The Shroud is made out of Spirit Webs mostly stripped out of their Identity. The quote said "the machine transformed them," corruption is said to result in some change. What if this specific corruption happening with the Father Machine (assuming it is corruption), Midnight Essence and Nightblood is about forcefully stripping souls out of their Identities and that what makes investiture black? We know that investiture with Identity resists influence of outside investiture, if you strip them out of Identity it makes them susceptible to all kinds of things. For Nightblood it would mean that once he strips souls out of Identity, it's much easier for him to Leech and consume them, as they don't resist that much. Midnight Essence in general is very easy to be Connected to via Luhel Bond, you can even steal someone's bond if you give them more, it easily changes shapes and mimics other forms - for me this suggests that it already is without Identity. That's why it's so easy to influence it. How would that connect to Ruin? You basically destroy the soul's Identity. Is that simple enough?

Adding to that, if you still don't know how Ruin would have been able to metabolize a piece of metal, Shards can manifest a physical body:

I don't think the WoB says that. It says that because of their interaction on Scadrial, they choose to view themselves as black and white - this would happen all around Cosmere, not just on Scadrial. Ruin's blackness was born on Scadrial, but once it appeared, it was showing up wherever Ruin's investiture was. I really like that.

I would go a step further - there are people who just assume they know what's best for others, no matter their gender. I feel Wayne fits in that category. Just look how he treated Wax - he appeared in AoL out of nowhere and dragged him into another investigation, despite Wax refusing to engage. He was pushing Wax to marry Marasi instead of Steris, because in his opinion they fit better together. He dropped a water tower on Wax's wedding, risking the lives of many people just because he believed that this was good for Wax. The fact that he is a person who can get into the minds and roles of everyone probably contributes to this belief. Sure, in those cases Wayne was 2 out of 3 times right. But that shows to me that he doesn't really care about gender, he just doesn't understand boundaries and personal space, he ignores them and often thinks he knows better what others should do. He also has this overwhelming desire to prove he is a good person, that he deserves redemption, which pushes him into the wrong direction. I wouldn’t call Wayne a sexist, but sometimes he certainly behaves in a sexist way. Like when he jokes - he just likes to make fun of people, he likes sexual jokes. It only encourages him when Marasi blushes. I think his treatment of Ranette is a combination of all of those factors - he doesn't understand boundaries, he doesn't understand Ranette at all (he genuinely thinks Ranette shooting at him is a form of flirting) and lastly he thinks he knows better. His treatment of Allriandre is driven by his guilt and need for suffering, through which he feels better, not because of gender. He would behave in the exact same way if Allriandre was a man. Ultimately I understand why some might call Wayne a sexist, his actions can lead to that conclusion, but I think his problem is just bigger than that.