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Yes, Honor can be picked up and even fully restored. And yes, Odium did that to Ambition, Devotion and Dominion, but it seems like he wasn't able to do the same he did to them to prevent someone else from Ascending to Honor (probably because he's chained by Honor's restrictions).

I agree with therunner. Blanking Identity doesn't allow you to tap someone else's metalmind and a Hemalurgic charge is someone else's spirit web, nailed to your soul. And because those foreign fragments of spirit web aren't transmissible to your offspring, I think they would be considered separate enough so they can't be blanked by F-aluminum.

I'm sorry if you felt that way. I can assure I meant no hostility, or any negativity in any of my responses. I enjoyed this discussion about such a fun scenario, even though I disagree with it.

That's what "killed" means. Rashek would have been the sole reason for their death. But he didn't want to kill everyone, he wanted to save them from Deepness, save them from death and Ruin. Because even Rashek had many children. It's natural to want to have offspring. There would have been many generations and much inbreeding. Melting point of aluminum is 660 degrees C. The fact that after Mists disappeared, as soon as the sun rose every tree self-ignited seems to indicate that the temperature on that close orbit exceeded 300 degrees C - at least. Give it a few more decades, boil the oceans away and a runaway greenhouse effect might have reasonably raised the temperature above that of the melting point of aluminum - worse than what's on Venus. Tin melts at 232 degrees C, pewter at just 170, zinc at 419, cadmium at 321 and bendalloy at just 70 degrees C. The environment created by Rashek after moving Scadrial closer to its sun was literally unlivable to Fullborn. The only reason why he opened Ashmounts is because he wanted to save all people from death. You want to kill them all. There are people to rule over - other Fullborn and their descendants. There are resources to horde - metal sources and the land itself. The conflict would have arisen very quickly between those 12 Fullborn. Absolute power corrupts. People are flawed, driven by emotions and desires, they would have been fighting with each other, they would have been killing each other, they would have been competing with each other. Isolation and boredom would have just worsened the condition of everyone even more. This is a real problem faced by people working in remote locations, like research stations on Antarctica - in 2018 there was an attempted homicide on one of the Antarctic research stations because someone spoiled the ending of a book (I can't blame him) and that's just one of many crimes committed in such an environment. Rahsek himself was severely affected by his own isolationism. Conflict among your 12 Fullborn is inevitable. You're contradicting yourself. You claim Rashek was stupid because he should have just let everyone die, leaving 12 people alive, yet you say things like this. Rashek literally tried to figure out how to make the best future possible for as many as he could. He did this by saving everyone from Deepness and in his mind the system he created was perfect. How is killing everyone and leaving 12 people behind a sign of intelligence? What is it, was he stupid because he didn't kill everyone, or was he intelligent because he saved countless lives? I didn't say he was good, I said he did some good. He did the worst possible things for the greater good. He wanted to save his people, he cared about them enough to prepare a contingency plan just in case he were to die. When he Ascended his first actions were done to save people from Deepness and death. What you're proposing is far worse than anything Rashek had ever done - full extermination of all life on Scadrial. And in case you missed: Yes, he was stupid. Or rather he was young, jealous, hateful and inexperienced, of course he was stupid, that's the whole point of his Ascension. He was making mistakes after mistakes, trying to fix problems he created.

So he should have killed everyone on the planet and left just 12 people alive? Should they have taken the Habsburg surname too? The inbreeding happening with 12 people would drive them all to their death in a very short time period - F-gold would not have helped them. You're forgetting that Rasher moved the planet, make the Ashmount and change the environment, which forced him to genetically modify all Scadrians - he wasn't sure if his modification would turn out to be fatal or successful (that's why he left a control group at the south pole), leaving just 12 people with untested modifications would be very stupid. Nature abhors a power vacuum. Sooner or later someone would grab all the power and fill that vacuum. But that's against Rashek's character, he wanted to have that sweet power all to himself, he wanted Terrisan to rule, he wanted to rule himself - he would have never created a scenario when he was not in power. I provided a WoB in my previous post. On the other hand he saved 300,000 people. If he hadn't been killed by Vin, nobody would have died. He was outplayed by a higher force and in your scenario, with nobody in control Ruin would have had an even easier job to find someone to manipulate. It wouldn't have mattered even if he had told everyone the truth about Ruin, it's too easy not to trust him - he killed everyone, why would you trust him? Edit: Yes, he was stupid. Or rather he was young, jealous, hateful and inexperienced, of course he was stupid, that's the whole point of his Ascension. He was making mistakes after mistakes, trying to fix problems he created.

Truthfully we don't have any direct confirmation from Brandon, it's invested, similar to Nighblood yet created specifically not to be Nightblood. I think we can safely assume it's a type 4 Awakened entity, like Nightblood is. Personally I believe that just like with creation of Lifeless, type 4 entities need 2 Commands. First one gives them sentience and makes them type 4 entities (like the Lifeless Command "Awaken to my Breath, serve my needs, live at my Command and my word"), the second one gives them a Command to fulfill and creates their personality. Divine Breath needs to feed on investiture because it keeps Returned body alive - if you were to spike that Breath out and give it yourself, you would not need to feed it with investiture because your body is alive. Nightblood doesn't just feed on investiture, he consumes it as much as he can and leaks it out. We don't know if he uses that investiture to sustain his original Breaths that make up his soul (just like Returned do), or if this investiture powers some of his abilities when he's unsheathed, but he needs them. Vivenna's blade probably works the same as Nightblood, but on a lesser, safer scale. Vivenna is unable to utilize innate investiture of Rosharans for several reasons. Those aren't Breaths, they don't work like them, they aren't keyed to Endowment but to Honor, Cultivation and Odium and she doesn't know any way to use Stormlight (and thus Rosharan's innate investiture) to Awaken. Drab is a term for everyone across Cosmere that lacks innate investiture, that additional investiture in their soul. On Scadrial they have Preservation's fragment, they have something like that on Roshar. On Nalthis it's a special thing because you can freely give it away - no other can do that. But if you were to spike someone out of their innate investiture it would make them drabs, even worse than drabs as spikes take more. Everyone can be drab if you take their innate investiture. The reason Nalthians become dull when they are drabs is because they power the Command "my life to yours" with their own color. When a color is drained out of an object to Awaken something, it's a spiritual change reflected in the Physical Realm. We still don't know what it does, but Azure's blade does something similar. This is questionable. Breaths in type 3 objects aren't kinetic - they are either static or innate - because a Seeker can't detect them. That means they shouldn't need to consume any investiture to work.

That's not true. The visions are very accurate, what's happening is programmed in a rigid structure and it's hard to go around this because it would just expose how thin this facade is. The Feverstone Keep happened as presented in real life - 300 Shardbearers were the first ones to give up their Shards and abandon their Oaths. Others did this all around Roshar, either in similar groups, or alone. It’s unlikely all Radiants left their Shardblades behind, many just broke their Oaths and left their spren dead in the Cognitive Realm (like Shallan did). OB ch 34: Dalinar said there were 80 Shardblades known on Roshar in total. There were 300 Radiants with Shardplates and Shardblades just from two orders at the Feverstone Keep. WoK ch 52: On the other hand, during the False Desolation all 2000 Honorspren answered the call and bonded with humans. Not everyone of those Radiants would have reached the 3rd Ideal, so not everyone of them would be able to summon their Shardblades. It's probably a reasonable explanation that most other races of spren were in similar numbers back then. That's around 10,000-20,000 bonded Radiants. However I had to also point out that about half of Shardblades ever owned by man after Recreance were lost in those millenia to weather, oceans and storms. As a Truthwatcher I believe extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Rysn met with Shins, she was weirded out by their warriors/guards but she didn't notice any of them being lighteyes - and they would be if Shin warriors were holding Shardblades. Shin soldiers are of the lowest class, the least respectable and there has been no fighting going on in Shinovar for centuries or millennia since the famed Shins invasions - I find it difficult to believe that all of Shin warriors have a Shardblade. However, it's worth pointing out that Rysn never made a comment about their eyes and she only said they were "keeping them down," so it might have been hard for her to see the color of their eyes. That indeed is interesting. Ok, you've sparked my interest. That's the extraordinary evidence I've been waiting for. I've been believing for some time now that all those hundreds or thousands of missing Shardblades are held in Shinovar by the Stone Shamans, just like Honorblades are. However, I speculated they were simply there, kept hidden and stashed in some room, not being used, not being bonded. You did raise an interesting question - why don't Shin warriors carry a weapon? It make sense that they don't need any weapon because they already have one - hidden in a mist. While this is still a wild speculation, it is very sensible and in my opinion is quite likely to be true.

And then they would have overthrown him and released Ruin next time. Rashek was the only one who knew about Ruin, even Kwaan only suspected there was something trapped in the Well that manipulated their religion. Rashek knew the full truth. But he was rejected by Terris after his return from the Well, treaded as the usurper, rather than the real Hero of Ages. They didn't believe him, they didn't trust him. They were uncontrollable. By giving them Lerasium beads he would have signed his own and the whole planet's death sentence. Moreover it's mixing of Allomantic and Feruchemist genes that gave life to Ferrings - giving full Feruchemist Lerasium beads would result in total disappearance of both Fullborn and full Feruchemists in just a few generations. And of course, Rahsek was a jealous and petty man. He wanted power and control, he wasn't an altruist. He would have never given up that power to those who would be able to threaten him. Mistborn and Great Houses were controlled by his Atium, Inquisitors were kept in line by their devotion and the linchpin spike, Kandra and Koloss can be Hemalurgically controlled - Feruchemists with their copperminds can't be controlled. Both Sazed and Tindwyl proved this. HoA ch 30 epigraphs: HoA ch 56 epigraphs:

Yes, there are many WoBs about this, for example: Here is this quote from Dawnshard ch 16: And here is the WoB: I agree, it makes sense. Ruin and Preservation are two totally opposite Shards and it's hard to combine them fully. Some other Shards, with more fitting Intents would work better together, like Ruin and Cultivation, which are both about change, or Ruin and Odium, Honor and Valor etc. Unfortunately we don't know the names of Dawnshards, we don't know how Shards were grouped, we don't even know the name of the last Shard - we have a lot of theories about it and that's all we can work with.

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Dalinar and Gavilar weren't the only ones who saw those visions. There were others. The Stormfather recognized the potential Dalinar had and most likely after many failures, he returned to Dalinar this time trying a very different approach - without exposing himself which made Gavilar lazy. Spren can lie. Pattern lied to Shallan multiple times. Sekeir, an Honorspren, lied and falsely imprisoned Kalak during Adolin's "fair" trial. The Stormfather potentially lied telling Dalinar in OB ch 38 that Taln broke too, and in WoR telling Kaladin he killed Syl, while Syl was being kept away from Kaladin by the Stormfather and Syl wasn't fully dead yet. Spren can lie very well. Because it's not the words that matter, it's the intent. This was the only time Gavilar truly meant his words. The intent was there - but that was the wrong intent. Or his beloved children - spren. They are those who would suffer the most - being forced to bond humans and risk their lifes by doing so. How would Autonomy, of all people, be able to sense a Herald dying?? This makes even less sense than Ishar. Literally the very first chapter of OB: OB ch 34: OB ch 38: RoW ch 107: Never you said? Because he's guessing the words at random, there is no meaning, nor understanding behind them - no intent. He wasn't ready to say the words and he didn't know them. Once you have the right intent you will just know the correct words and nobody has to tell you them before. WoK ch 67: The visions were the same, Gavilar recognized Jezrien's Honorblade and Brandon confirmed this ages ago in a WoB. This WoB has some interesting implications. And again, speaking isn't enough, you have to have the right intent. OB ch 46: Both Dalinar and Gavilar read the Way of Kings. But unlike Gavilar, who just memorized this book because he just wanted to gain power by guessing, Dalinar was inspired by it and LIVED by it. Dalinar understood the Way of Kings, Gavilar didn't. Even more, the Honor himself said in visions to “Read the book. Unite them.” (WoK ch 52). Dalinar saw it as well, multiple times, one time in OB ch 38.

Three most obvious cases I can think of right now, without reading it all over again: 1). Gavilar assumed he was going to become a Herald, but the Stormfather denied it: 2). Gavilar thought the Stormfather told him Heralds died and are in Damnation, but we've never seen the Stormfather say those words: When confronted, the Stormfather didn't deny, however he told Gavilar "you assume too much." It's hard to say if that was something the Stormfather once told him, or if that was another assumption Gavilar made. 3). And apparently the Stormfather told Gavilar that spren can't lie - but as before, we haven't seen him saying those words. Gavilar isn't trustworthy. We now know for certain that Gavilar assumed he was going to become a Herald, but the Stormfather told him otherwise. We can't trust Gavilar's claims about what other things the Stormfather told him, without hearing those words directly from the Stormfather. However I find it hard to believe that Gavilar just assumed everything, I think some of those things were told to him by the Stormfather - he lied, or at least misled him to make him falsely believe in such things. But it's hard to say what was that.

No, it's not. It would be named Ashyn if it was Ashyn. Those planets are separate, Ashyn has no rings, Ashyn has a normal size, Ashyn has disease based magic system and Nomad was on Ashyn and would have recognized it. TSM ch 2:

I don't understand this term. What is it? Is it just investiture? Kinetic investiture? Power/ability to use investiture itself (innate investiture)? What does this term mean? It's even more confusing. So that's Connections that carry investiture from SR to the user? That's what Allomancy is, it's a Connection to Preservation through which investiture is drawn. But in case of Surgebinding the investiture doesn't come from SR, it's already in PR (but Radiant's Connection to Honor probably allows to draw that investiture in the first place). On Sel investiture comes from CR instead. Not everything comes from SR. Not true, but to some it applies. Breaths are given to people at birth by Endowment, Stormlight comes from SR, Dor doesn't, it's just stuck in CR. Feruchemist uses what his body has to offer, he turns his physical attributes into investiture that is stored in metalminds. The only thing that comes from SR is the tiny bit of investiture that facilitates change of physical attributes into investiture and vice versa. No, that's not how I interpret this WoB. Shard is both a primal force and a fraction of Adonalsium's personality - personality doesn't come from a Vessel (but they can influence it), it's a part of the power. The cultural aspect isn't what you described, some Shards are less force-like, more culture-like - Honor is about being noble and upholding oath, but this is more a culture thing, rather than a universal law of nature. And while those things can be interpreted differently by a Vessel, the force and personality is one in a Shard. Some Shards are more like a personality (being noble), others are more like a force of nature (entropy). That's what he meant in the second paragraph of this WoB. Yes, Preservation represents stasis, I'm not arguing with this, I was asking if Allomancy is given though stasis. You can look at this both ways - it's a gift that allows you to stay alive and continue your "stasis," or a gift that changes you, giving you strength and ability to preserve yourself. In the end it all leads to staying alive for longer, but to be fair all Invested Arts cause you to stay alive longer. Does this mean that all invested arts are of Preservation? No. Brandon specifically calls Allomancy a gift: We don't know how many Lerasium beads there were and where they came from. They could have been made by one of the Hero of Ages before Rashek with the power of the Well - we don't know if they came from Preservation directly, if someone else made them, or if they naturally leaked from the SR without Preservation’s involvement. I would argue that Feruchemy is a gift that strengthens you (comes from Preservation) at the cost of weakening you for an equal amount of time (comes from Ruin). This term is even worse. I'm truly confused about what you mean by this. Is it about raw investiture that's moving (which is kinetic investiture)? Investiture that's doing some work (that's also kinetic investiture)? What is it? In SR movement has no meaning as distance has no meaning, investiture is drawn from SR to PR via Connection instantly - and that investiture is kinetic. There are three types of investiture - kinetic, static and innate. Kinetic investiture is investiture that's doing some work like healing, stealpushing, lashing etc. Static is investiture that's sits and does nothing - in metalminds, Stormlight that was drawn into a body or a gemstone and isn't used etc. Innate is investiture that's part of your soul - Breaths, Preservation's fragment etc. Generally invested arts come from innate investiture. Which type of investiture is "magical kinetic energy?" It seems you just mean kinetic investiture, investiture that does some work. So, an intent? But the last sentence makes no sense - no magic user can access the full power of the Shard, even if they try. The amount of investiture they can access from SR (if they're using invested art that draws from SR like Allomancy) is dependent on your strength - innate investiture, how strong is your Connection to Preservation in Allomancy. A Windrunner doesn't draw investiture from Honor, he draws it from PR - from spheres and gemstones - and there is no limit in how much he can hold in his body (like there is, when the body gets vaporized, but theoretically he can get there if he has enough investiture in gemstones, nothing stops him from doing that). They are neither. They don't "shape the desired magical effect," the intent of the Radiant does this. Spren are the embodiment of Surges, they provide the ability to touch surges (innate investiture), to their knights via their shared Connection - Nahel Bond. They don't command or focus any investiture flowing from SR, because Radiants don't use investiture from SR. They don't limit it. The higher the knight progresses in his ideals, the deeper the bond is between the knight and their spren, the more efficient he gets in using investiture he already has in his body - he doesn't draw any investiture from SR, it all comes from gemstones. What? Where did that come from? Kaladin doesn't Command Syl to do lashings, he does this with his own powers. It's his power, given to him via Nahel Bond. Syl doesn't Command it, doesn't focus it. Yes, the ability of Surgebinding does come from Splinters via bond. I said obtaining kinetic investiture - this was the power I meant. Burning metals draws investiture from Ruin, when you are spiked with a Hemalurgic spike. But the ability to burn metals in Hemalurgy comes from stealing it with a spike. In Hemalurgy you just steal powers with spikes. Disagree, WoB above and below. Hemalurgy grants you Connection to Ruin, and Ruin can fuel Allomancy and Feruchemy just like Preservation can. Yes, but that additional investiture invests their soul more, which becomes innate investiture - a part of their soul. True, they weren't born with it, but it's still part of their soul. Not her magic, SHE. OB ch 114: Transformation isn't just conversion of matter and energy into investiture, it's change in every direction - matter to matter as well. Soulcasting is Transformation. No, Stormlight is fueling the abilities, spren doesn't convert it to abilities. Spren and Radiant have those abilities, they just need fuel. And what Aviars from Patji, an Avatar of Autonomy, who get their abilities at the Autonomy's perpendicularity, have to do with Cultivation? Again, it's of Autonomy. And that's more like a Luhel Bond - you give water, you gain investiture that was in the sand, you can manipulate it (you manipulate it, not those microbes). Yeah, life created by Adonalsium on Yolen, which other Shards copied during their creations (Scadrial, Nalthis), because their Vessels were like that before - Preservation specifically asked to create life as they'd seen it before. HoA ch 76: Not magic, the Shard of Autonomy fits the best as the direct opposition to the Shard of Honor based on their intents and personalities. Magics are unrelated to this. You can argue that Odium is an opposition to Honor, but in my opinion Autonomy fits better. Magic has nothing to do with this. For Odium I consider Devotion as the most opposite Shard (hate - love). You won't find such easy pairs of opposition like Preservation and Ruin elsewhere in Cosmere. Some did exist, on Sel those Shards were in opposition, but on Scadrial this was specifically because over time those Shards became polarized, thus they became a perfect opposition to each other. Because Odium forcefully invaded Dalinar's vision and tried to take control over it, which destroyed the fabric on which the vision rested. It's not that Odium breaks, it's because Odium wanted to get into the vision, which the Stormfather resisted, their powers pressed together against each other sent ripples through the vision, destroying it. Odium literally recreated this vision a moment later, once he took control over it fully: There literally is a growing connection between Odium and Dalinar, nothing is broken, it's growing stronger. RoW ch 112: We don't know this. Just because Honorblades are pure Tanavastium and they feed on Stormlight, doesn't mean that the magic system they are giving is of pure Honor. This magic is the same as Surgebinding. And we know from WoB below that Shards can fuel every magic present in their system if they want - Ruin can fuel Allomancy directly, if he wishes. Honor can fuel Surgebinding, which is of both him and Cultivation, if he wants. Allomancy is a bond, it's not of Honor, it's of Preservation. It alone gives power. Connection is just a natural property of Cosmere, it doesn't belong to anyone, it just is. Just like Fortune or Identity doesn't belong to any one Shard, so does Connection isn't just of Honor. Aviars are BONDED with those worms and Aviars are doing the magic in this relationship. Still diesagree with this. What Cognitive water bond is there? There are some predators living in the water, some living on the island, there is no proof that they have any kind of water bond like you suggest. There is no proof which suggests the rocky island of Patji was created directly by Autonomy. You can't claim that without providing solid evidence. Patji's Eye is a perpendicularity, it's pure, liquid investiture, not water. Sand Mastery looks suspiciously like a Luhel Bond we saw in Tress/TLM. Aethers require water too, yet they have nothing in common with Autonomy - they claim they didn't even come from Adonalsium. I interpreted it as the island of Patji was created by Autonomy, thus made out of Autonomy's investiture, similarly Rosharan continent is made out of Autonomy's investiture primarily. I disagree with this, there is no evidence to support this claim. The last sentence is true, but we also don't know if the continent was raised from the sea floor, or if the pre-existing world was flooded with water, with the continent already being that high and fully created. Or maybe water and the continent were created at the same time. We don't know the chronological events of the creation of Roshar. Yes, there is Autonomy's investiture present on Roshar, but we don't know where it is and if it's focused anywhere in particular. It might be just spread evenly across the entire Rosharan system, not being used by Autonomy at this moment. We don't know. We just know there is such investiture there, just like there is investiture of every single Shard on Roshar and elsewhere in Cosmere. What statement? Please provide a WoB or a quote of Brandon saying this, because I can't find any. It's just your theory, not a fact we know. In the same way everyone in Cosmere can do Hemalurgy, everyone in Cosmere can do Awakening, even without Breaths. It's all about Intent and knowledge. It's a unique magic system that everyone can access, no matter where they are. I don't know how this works mechanically in details. In this case it's more about personality than a force. And again, it's not the only quantum of investiture. Literally everyone born in Cosmere has investiture like Breath in them. And Breaths themselves vary in strength. Why is color so important to Soulcasting or to Fabrials? I don't know. Color is simply an important part of Cosmere, it's not just Endowment. EVERYTHING is made out of quanta. Not just light, everything. A quantum of electricity is an electron, a quantum of light is a photon, a quantum of humanity is a single person - quantum means the smallest discrete unit of a phenomenon. A quantum of investiture in Allomancy would be the amount of investiture drawn by burning a single atom of any given metal. It's everywhere. And it's not true that Breaths are the smallest unit of investiture in Awakening. Warbreaker ch 49: We don't know this. Nobody has ever used Breaths to fuel magic kinetically on pages. Just because YOU don't like this doesn't mean it's not true. RoW showed us this is possible and showed us the mechanism of doing this. It doesn't mean that Shards can change their investiture into investiture of other Shards, I disagree with this because each Shard resonate with their own unique Rhythm and they cannot overwrite their Rhythm with other Shard's Rhythm because they can't produce that Rhythm. But Shards can change investiture of other Shards into something else - this is called Corruption, when mixing of Shardic investiture occur. Yes, my bad. This is true. However, I will point out that this is true for Feruchemy, because there is a transfer of matter into investiture. In Awakening we don't know if the same applies because investiture simply turns from kinetic into static/innate etc. There is no additional outside energy needed to facilitate the change of potential energy into kinetic energy. There might be no additional investiture coming to facilitate the change of static Breaths into kinetic Breaths and back to static. Moreover if there is, this energy might be taken from Breaths directly, a tiny sliver of investiture might be used to do this, or this is where the color draining comes into play - the tiny bit of spirit web taken from objects is the power that facilitates this change. (if this is needed, which in my opinion isn't in the case of Breaths). I'm not seeing this. Please, start providing sources for such claims. We don't know this. That's because Honor's investiture wasn't pulled into CR. Agree to disagree. The reasons for this are totally different. If the city of Elantris was built in the air, Raoden would have to draw that line in the air. That's a looooong post, still I enjoy it a lot, even if I disagree. It's a fun theory.

Because Hoid was already leaving, he walked out of the room during their conversation - he was in the hallway when Odium messed with his memories: And Odium can't move Hoid's body around. Odium can't use his power on most individuals due to Honor's restrictions and Hoid is still somewhat protected from Odium directly. He can't be moved like this. Odium was very precise with his work. He could see those memories thus he could remove just those that mattered and nothing else. The fact that Hoid remembers that Design and Sja-Anat spren were following him is telling us that he most likely didn't lose anything more, because if he did, those would be the first memories that would have been lost after the memory of their meeting. There was still something wrong with those memories, Hoid was able to tell that it's weird, but it was subtle enough that he didn’t realize what was going on. It would make no sense for Hoid to store his memories in real time, as events were unfolding, if he wasn't able to remember them at the same time. Hoid was actively analyzing his conversation with Odium when Odium returned to him and stole his memories, those had to be in his Breaths, those had to be also remembered by him at the same time. Copperminds work by either storing memories in copper and not being remembered, or extracting them from coppermind and not being in metal. Memories are either in your brain or in the metal, not in both places at once. WoA ch 4: Sazed's indexes are also being pulled out of the coppermind and put back in it, WoA ch 15:

So in your opinion the real Stormfather said only two sentences in this entire chapter, saying only goodbye to Gavilar out of nowhere, ignoring everything that Gavilar was saying this whole night? This makes no sense at all. The quote with caps being bolded: Even the real Stormfather was talking both with and without caps at the same time to Dalinar in WoR ch 82, 83: And in OB ch 34, during the first vision with Fen: And in OB ch 38 the Stormfather is talking in italic to Dalinar's mind directly, but in caps to both Dalinar and Navani, which happened as well during their wedding in OB ch 4 (one quote is enough): So we see the Stormfather doing the exact speech pattern with Dalinar, as he was doing with Gavilar. In most cases he speaks in italics to Dalinar's mind directly, but in caps if anyone else is involved, but we have at least two instances of the Stormfather speaking both normally and in caps just to Dalinar, the one from the battle of Narak in WoR is almost the same as it was with Gavilar - he was speaking without caps to Dalinar at first, then with caps at the end of their conversation. In my opinion using caps and italics as a distinction between the Stormfaker and the Stormfather makes no sense at all.

This is the Stormlight Archive section only. Any information from books other than SA should be put in a spoiler box with a proper warning before it. Please edit you post and put this into a spoiler box, like I did in the quote above (top right corner -> three dots menu -> edit). Mistborn spoilers: I don't remember any examples of a damaged spirit web being genetically transmitted. Lighteyes being transmissible is something different because this isn't damage done to the spirit web, it's a change, more investiture in the soul which is passed down. Herald's soul is cracked, tortured and exhausted with their unnaturally long lifespan, I don't know if that would be transferred to their kid and I find this unlikely. But if Heralds have to give a part of their soul to their children then yes, that might influence them and make them more mentally susceptible. Warbreaker spoiler: And there was also an Unmade influencing their family:

Fiddled with time? How? It's impossible in Cosmere to rewind time backwards. Odium couldn't have done what you propose. Hoid does store memories in his Breaths, those are somehow more accessible to him all the time - unlike to Misel - because he remembers everything that's happening real time, despite storing it all of it in his Breaths (he had to store his memories as events were unfolding, otherwise Odium wouldn't have been able to delete those memories). The time kept going forward, which is evident by the lack of spren and Design near him and the laws of Cosmere. Hoid has to know how to use Breaths as an extension of his mind, not just as a separate memory storage that one has to access to remember. Odium stole a fraction of his Breaths that contained the memory of their conversation, making Hoid forget about it ever happening. This left Hoid remembering only what was happening before that conversation, which was "I'm going to meet Odium and talk to him, Design and Sja-Anat spren are watching me" and that's what made him "relive" this conversation. Time wasn't fiddled with, it's all about what he remembered. Yumi ch 32: RoW epilogue: RoW epigraphs ch 84: I know what Hoid felt at that moment because I have a weird deja vu feeling that you've already made a topic proposing the exact same thing (too lazy to check it out). Anyway I agree, you can probably transfer some other attributes from Feruchemy just like memories. While I'm unsure if and how this would work with attributes like strength or speed, Divine Breath most definitely should be capable of doing that and temporarily boosting your attributes until it runs out as kinetic investiture - just like it can heal.

It can be, but it depends on how both knights and spren view such an action. If they were also in agreement and viewed this as a necessary step, this could have worked. However it would have been really hard to justify inaction if a Wundrunner could have saved a person by using Gravitation, but didn't use it - Kaladin struggled a lot to accept that he couldn't help others despite having all those powers, he wouldn't have been able to sit with those powers, watching others die and not use them to help and protect. He might have viewed this as breaking his oaths. Those above 4th Ideal would be better suited to withstand such mental pressure. What do you mean Surgebinding wasn't used? Of course it was! Radiants existed before Recreance, just not in full numbers. Urithiru was active and buzzing with people, knights and spren. And it wasn't that sudden. Cracks were already appearing on the surface. The Sibling banished everyone from the Tower, there was a conflict between Radiants and the Sibling, Oathgates had to be shut off, Radiants themselves were divided (especially Windrunners and Skybreakers). Not to mention they were fighting a war that shouldn't have happened - they were told that the enemy was defeated during Aharietiam, Heralds promised them no more Desolations. Add to this the fact that they knew humans were the first Voidbringers, brought Odium to Roshar and started the first Desolation and the fact that Honor was dying at that moment, ranting about Dawnshards and promising Radiants that they will destroy Roshar, just like they did with Ashyn. Taking all of this into consideration what other thing they should have done when Radiants suddenly realized that imprisonment of BAM turned the entire race into brainless creatures, wounding every spren and person that belonged to Roshar? They knew Honor was right and they were on the path to destroy everything. They knew they were the very thing they'd sworn to protect Roshar from - and they had already failed. This is the only thing Radiants needed to break their bond, the sudden realization that Honor was right and Roshar is endangered by their presence alone. OB epigraphs - Urithiru Gem Archive: That's why they hid it in a place where nobody can access it. They did their best to assure she won't get out, no matter what. And it worked. They were faced with a dilemma - hoping BAM won't get out because of how well she is hidden, or be sure Radiants will eventually destroy Roshar. Imprisonment of BAM which caused the mental death of the entire race of Singers and wounded everyone who belonged to Roshar, which all spren felt, just like the Sibling did. Either they saw what they'd done to Parsh, or they felt when BAM was imprisoned and realized what a terrible thing they'd done. RoW ch 49:

Animals can bond a spren and get something out of this - many animals on Roshar do this. Larkins, Chamsfiends or even Skyeels bond Mandras to decrease their weight, Ryshadium bond an unknown spren that increases their intelligence etc. But to use Surgebinding a full sentience is required, which those animals don't have, even if their bond increases it above normal animal levels. Unless that Cremling was a Hordeling of a Sleepless (which is very likely) and this Sleepless wants to be bonded with a lesser spren (which is possible), it's unlikely a Cremling would get Invested powers out of such bond, nor that it would cause them to drastically change forms like Parshendi do (note that Chiri-Chiri hasn't change in appearance after bonding a Mandra), but it might affect their physical or mental capabilities. But that "letting spren in your gemheart" is a problematic thing for an animal to do. For Singers it must be done willingly, with an intent - this probably still applies to animals, they must know what's going to happen and they must attract the correct type of spren in the fisrt place. It's unlikely to see animals switch forms like Singers because of this.

Ash can't Lightwave without her Honorblade and she doesn't have it. It's in Shinovar. The way Ash speaks in RoW is not consistent with this Stormfather. And of course, Heralds can't feel other Heralds dying regular death. This part was unchanged, it was present in the previous version: Not solved because they would have still had access to Surgebinding, they were afraid they themselves would accidentally destroy Roshar. In their mind, as long as Radiants existed, the threat remained. Breaking Oaths was the only way to stop this threat - at least that's what they thought. They couldn't have trusted themselves to not Surgebind - it's unreasonable to expect a Windrunner not to use his powers to protect, or an Edgedancer not to heal, or any other Radiant to just stop Surgebinding, being held back only by their own willpower. That's just impossible. It's all about fearing to cause an accident that will hurt Roshar - and they'd literally just witnessed one accident that had unforeseeable consequences and lobotomized an entire sentient, native species. They already had proof that their powers were dangerous and they could destroy everything, even when those powers were used for the greater good. Releasing BAM wasn't an option because that would have started another Desolation. It wasn't organized. It just happened. All Radiants made this decision together with their spren in the heat of the moment, mostly independent from each other. Spren knew it would hurt or it might even kill them, yet they were still willing to do this (Maya told us this). RoW ch 94:

It's not just about trajectory, you can't steelpush something that's outside of your time bubble. I think there was a quote about this, but I can't find it, anyway Wax had plenty of opportunities to try doing this in Era 2 yet he never tried, he knew it won't work.

I'm skeptical, but it may be possible. However Brandon said that Kaladin's skill with a spear isn't supernatural, he's just really talented, just like a normal person can be. But there is something Spiritual happening to him too.

Less than 200 now. He had exactly 200 before Taravangian messed with his Breaths, now he's below that because he lost his Perfect Pitch. He's at the 1st Heightening now, before he was at the 2nd. Breaths that hold memory do contribute to Heightenings, just like normal Breaths do, otherwise Odium breaking his Breaths would not have touched his Perfect Pitch, which is granted by the 2nd Heightening. Storing memories in Breaths works similarly like a Coppermind. We had it hinted in RoW that it's possible, while in Warbreaker it was just shown to us, without explanation. Breaths work like an SD card. A special Command and Intent is needed to do that - it's not that complicated once you know how to do it, proven by Warbreaker. RoW epilogue: RoW ch 84 epigraphs: Warbreaker ch 49: However, in the OB epilogue, he used some of his Breaths to Awaken a doll, which he gave to a little girl in Kholinar. It's unlikely that he was able to recover then, thus it's most likely that he has more Breaths hidden in his clothes or somewhere else, so a loss of a few Breaths shouldn't matter to him that much (unlike the loss of his memories). How many Breaths in total he has, we don't know.