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They had a radio in BoM. It was either a tech given to them, or influenced by Autonomy, or it was salvaged from the crashed Malwish ship. That's not certain. All those new inventions after Catacendre came from the Words of Founding, books left by Harmony after his Ascension. Since then Sazed realized it was a mistake and didn't intervene in Scadrial technological progress. In TLM epilogue Sazed was still against helping humanity develop faster, so we don't know if he will give them anything. Unlikely. Era 3 will be set up around 50-70 years after Era 2 and Wax in TLM already has 50 years. He might, being more invested increases your lifespan and he's not only a Twinborn, he's not a very weak Mistborn with a Hemalurgic spike. On top of that he was Harmony's Sword and did ingest Mists on some occasions. This might have invested him enough to sufficiently prolong his life to pass 100 years old. And he also has access to a very weak cadmium bubble. It's possible, but I highly doubt he will be alive in Era 3 - it's not his story anymore. His kids or grandkids might be of far greater importance. But there is always hope - Spook stepped down as Elendel's ruler when he was 118 and since then his fate remained unknown.

I meant Surge on Roshar. There are other, common ways of manipulating Connection in Cosmere, accessible to most Worldhoppers. In Yumi Design seems to be "stretching" the line of Connection in some way and that was the most Design was able to do. Yumi ch 22: And you know, Design is on another planet in Yumi, far, far away from Roshar despite her Connection to it. This is something that no spren or CS is currently able to do. If she found a way to deal with her ties and leave Roshar, she can do this slight lengthening of Nikaro's Connection in the far future and it doesn't have to be done with Rosharan Surges.

Spiritual Adhesion is the only ability we know that allows to manipulate Connections. But Odium forces have access to this ability, Veni as an Envoyform can connect herself to understand languages, which is the same ability Dalinar has.

I don't see a way for hatred and honor combining into love. Not to mention there is already a Shard representing love - Devotion. Odium/Passion isn't all emotions, love is missing and Venli saw this. RoW ch 83: And I don't believe that Honor+Odium would make War - it's the name of their lights combined, not their Shards. There is no Shard of Storm, Void or Life, those are just names for lights of Honor, Odium and Cultivation, but the Shards don't have the same name as their Shards have. Not to mention that the Shard of Tower being a combination of Honor and Cultivation makes no sense at all.

Insane Ishar, who doesn't even know he's insane, who doesn't even think he's Ishar anymore, doesn't sound like a person who is capable of acting sane. How can he think of acting sane if he doesn't know he's nuts? What's more likely, him understanding the difference between sanity and madness and being able to deceive Nale and others while leading religious fanatics into a senseless war and openly ranting about being Almighty, sole bearer of the Oathpact and other insane claims, or that Heralds perceiving Ishar as sane is part of their own insanity? I find the latter to be much more likely. Other Heralds were proven to be untrustworthy in their judgement of what's sane or insane, Ishar included, we clearly can't trust their opinion of Ishar. Ishar was always a leader among them, the one who always had solutions to every problem, the one who understood realmatic theory and knew what was going on. He led the exodus from Ashyn, he came up with the Oathpact, he bound Surges, he created Knights Radiant, he came up with Aharietiam - he was always leading them with ideas and they've always trusted him. Now in their insanity, this trust has risen to unreasonable levels, to the point that they dismiss every evidence that shows them he's not trustworthy anymore, that his mind is as broken as theirs - just like Ash dismiss every evidence that she herself is insane.

Spoilers about the future conflict between Roshar and Scadrial? Not much. It's surprising to see Scadrial divided into factions and that's the biggest discovery. Mechanization of Metallic Arts was already bluntly predicted by the introduction of Primer Cubes and Malwish Medallions in BoM, so this was the expected outcome. But all of this was written as vaguely as possible, calling it only "current conflicts" to give us no clue about what's going on between those two planets. We probably won't see much of this until Mistborn Era 4. To be fair, Six of the Dusk revealed more information about it then The Sunlit Man.

Not really. In books you just happen to see the transitional period, which makes you think they are developing fast, but in fact they don't. It took them nearly 350 years to get there, while being spoon-fed with knowledge and designs left by Sazed and living in a literal paradise on the planet, with no threats, no wars, no shortages of food or resources. They were in stagnation for nearly 300 years and only recently new things started to slowly appear. A single airship from the south made them all lose their minds. It's even more embarrassing when you consider that the Words of Founding talked about electricity, powered flight and even planned out the city of Elendel itself. SoS ch 7: If there is one thing that drives innovation forward, it's war. You can count on this newly uncovered conflict to be the beginning of a true technological progress on the northern Scadrial.

That's not hate, that's love! Aluminum is special in Cosmere because of its investiture blocking abilities. It can't be Soulcasted, Awakened, Forged, it affects Fabrials, stops healing and isolates connections. Brandon chose aluminum because it's very hard to get in the pre-industrial society (being more expensive than even gold), but once industrialization starts, it becomes very cheap and common and that makes for an interesting shift in power dynamics. This forces magical uses to innovate and explore the boundaries of their abilities to overcome this newly found limitation.

Roshar doesn't have a standard magnetic field fueled by the dynamo effect in its core - there is no tectonic activity on Roshar, there is most likely no active core on Roshar. Whole Roshar was artificially created this way by Adonalsium, Shinovar was later created to resemble Ashyn. I don't think climate has much to do with magnetic poles, rather than with axial tilt (which is 0 on Roshar), latitude, ocean currents and mountain ranges. But Roshar has continent sized hurricanes coming every few days so we can throw all of this into a trash can - except ocean currents I guess. The colder water from the southern pole is carried by currents towards the southern tip of Roshar - Frostlands - and that's why it's "cold". Hotter waters from the equator are carried into the Reshi sea, making this area hot. Azir is a bit deserted because there are relatively few rivers there - less water for plants to grow - and being separated on three sides by massive mountains doesn't help. The highstorms are also much stronger on the eastern side of the continent, so vegetation on the western side can be more lush. In the end I don't think we will find an answer to this question. It was just made this way and that's it.

No info on that. There is only this WoB I can think of, Warbreaker spoilers: But does this "do not manifest a spren in CR" means don't manifest a sapient entity in CR to talk to, or don't manifest anything, not even a mind in CR is hard to say.

We don't know when it happened, we know that during RoW all contact with Shinovar was broken - not that it happened during RoW. It happened before RoW started. We don't know what Ishar did with Unmades, he might have been corrupted by them, or might have started working with them - we have no idea. All we know that the arrival of Unmades in Shinovar predates Ishar's recovery of his Honorblade and all the weirdness in Shinovar started after OB. So how is it that the Unmades remained undetected and didn't affect anything in Shinovar? Even the Diagram assumes that Shinovar stopping their trade is due to an Unmade - and they literally can track Unmades, they tracked Moelach location in OB. We know from Kholinar and Urithiru that there are weird things happening around Unmades, those would be really hard to miss. Weirdness appeared after OB, that's fitting to Unmades and attributing all of this to Ishar doesn't fit - there are no unusual things happening in CR around Tukar for example. Why not both? I doubt Unmades are gone from Shinovar, it's more likely that they are still very active, just like Ishar is exploiting the instability of Shinovar. The palace guard in Kholinar became quite hostile due to Unmades. Shin's congratulations. I do understand your arguments, but I'm saying that we know from WoBs that the bond to Honorblades isn't that deep, they don't have any magical component related to the Oathpact or Heralds, abandoning them shouldn't cause them any additional harm. Yes, let's give Ash credits to pinpoint insanity, what could go wrong, Coppermind: Oh... That's why I'm saying that the fact he ordered Radiants to be killed, suggests he was just as insane decades ago. Nale didn't. Edgedancer ch 9: OB ch 106: OB ch 121: After contacting Ishar, seeing and talking to him, Nale still concluded that Ishar is the only one with his mind intact. The same Ishar who wrote this in OB ch 26: Yeah, Heralds can't spot insanity even if it stands right in front of their eyes. It looks like it was Ishar's idea. Edgedancers ch 9: But Nale didn't kill all of them, whenever he had a chance, he made them join Skybreakers instead. OB ch 40: And he killed only those he had a legal reason to, who commited a crime in the past. OB ch 106: WoR I-2:

Turing from "sending a congratulation letter after Dalinar discovered Urithiru," or "informing about incoming Everstorn before the Thaylen battle" to "shooting Windrunners out of the sky" is a massive change. OB ch 24: OB ch 111: RoW ch 17: RoW I-3: That last one is of big importance. Even Diagram predicted that Unmades settled in Shinovar around this time, there was no mention of it before RoW. It's a clear causal effect - trade with Shinovar being cut off is a direct result of one of the Unmade. Trade and communication were ongoing before RoW, thus there were no Unmades there yet. I'm not convinced. Every Herald pivoted into a different extreme, for me they all aren't that different. But they don't have any Connection to their Honorblades, they broke it when they'd abandoned them. The WoB in my previous response indicates that Honorblades were just a gift and they had no magical importance to Heralds and the Oathpact. They abandoned them because of guilt. Moreover, a bond with Honorblades is not as deep as with a spren, which doesn't change when a Herald is bonded to one (because their efficiency stays the same). Heralds even swapped blades to train with other Surges. They shouldn't have such an effect on them. Not to mention that signs of madness were already visible in WoK prelude. He was - on Ashyn. He was the first one who experimented with Surges and is one of the people who are to blame for its destruction. However we know very little of those powers and even less of the events that happened when the migration and the First Desolation happened. What we know is that Ashynite Surgebinding is a disease based magic system, where people with illnesses get magical powers. Ishar is a Cognitive Shadow - he's immune to any disease. However, this magic system was a little bit different before the destruction of Ashyn, but how different we have no idea.

Disagree. This shows us that Ishar was already mad and should have been visibly mad when interacting with Gavilar. The Stromfather was way too stable to be Ishar. Firstly, he most likely had no Honorblade, thus no ability to manipulate any Connection. Secondly there is no proof that Ishar had the greatest Connection to Honor/Stormfather. Truthfully, Kaladin in his youth had way greater Connection to Honor than Ishar due to his desire to protect, help and his proto-bond with Syl. Why? He didn't like Ishar at all. And he hated Heralds for breaking their Oaths. He wouldn't have done this. OB ch 38: RoW ch 111: You mean the creature that understands human desire for possession, who burnt and destroyed countless cities, killing and spreading misery on his way, would not understand Gavilar's actions? Conquest and destruction wasn't something alien, nor bad to the Stormfather - it was natural. It was part of him. He had no problem with this, for him being Honorable means keeping your oaths. The Stormfather even said it himself - there are no foolish oaths. He doesn't care about destruction Gavilar caused, he cared only about the uniting he was able to accomplish and oaths he kept. Even Honor cared only for bonds by the end, not for being good. OB ch 4: OB ch 31: OB ch 57: OB ch 87: OB ch 113: RoW ch 71: A man who kept his words. Because when he exposed himself to Gavilar that made him lazy and susceptible to wrong conclusions coming from religious upbringing. He said he will try a different way and this fits well. He didn't say anything to Dalinar, he let him figure stuff out on his own. It didn't make him lazy. He made a huge mistake with Gavilar and corrected it when interacting with Dalinar. Firstly, Dalinar tried to manifest him as a physical body, not a figure like Gavilar saw. Secondly, I cannot count the number of times when I proved that the Stormfather showed himself in the same form to Dalinar on multiple occasions. Literally in the very first chapter of OB: OB ch 34: OB ch 38: RoW ch 107: Never you said? But they weren't bonded YET. That was a weird thing happening because of echoes from the Spiritual Realm. Look again at that quote and you will find the reason. The Stormfather already found his champion - Dalinar accepted that he will be the champion. "If I try again, I will do it differently."

Yes, it's a bit confusing. Shallan has two spren bonds and she is in process of reconstructing one of them, her bond with Testament. It's a mess. I believe Shallan was at 4th Ideal with Testament when she was a kid, because of the Words she spoke when breaking the bond and because during the OB end battle Radiant was wearing a Shardplate. But her bond with Pattern should be at least on 3rd Ideal, if not on 4th now. Pattern Truths: 1st Ideal I killed my father I killed my mother I killed my spren - we're not sure if that counts With Testament, I believe she reconstructed at least one Truth. In WoK she said "I'm terrified" when she Soulcasted for the first time, but it's hard to say how high she is now with Testament. WoK ch 45:

I'm all for it, but Wind and Truth will be released in around 3 months, how about we at least wait for it before updating ranks?

Around 2 years before his assassination. That's fair, but it's a significant change of behavior - from a nation that's open to the outside world to complete isolation and hostility within a year. And even Spren in RoW mentioned weird things happening in Shinovar - something that wasn't said before, which once again is pointing out to the arrival of Unmades. That's a big coincidence. Too big to be ignored. RoW ch 22: Additionally, Unmades were generally dormant without Odium's presence on Roshar and ongoing Desolation. It's obviously not true for all of them, the Thrill and Moelach were quite active, but Moelach was inactive until 1166. And we know from Kholinar that Unmade influence is huge and hard to miss, drastically affecting behaviors of people around them. It doesn't fit that Shinovar remained under Unmade's influence for nearly a decade without any weirdness going on there and nobody noticing it. But the Honorblades aren't Connected to the Oathpact in the magical sense. Nale is as insane as Kalak, Ash or Jez, who all didn't reclaim their Honorblades. I don't see this as a compelling argument, otherwise Nale would be much worse than others.

No, it's fully magical. But if it were to stay, it would affect Taravangian and Odium, just like @The Sovereign proposed.

Dalinar said "I need you" too. WoR ch 89: Anyway, it's not the words that were wrong, it's the intent. This was the only time Gavilar truly had intent behind his words and wasn't guessing at random. WaT Prologue:

But they are still the same person. Nale is cold as ice, Kalak can't make decisions, is having tantrums or tries to escape mid-conversation, Ash is using every opportunity she has to remind everyone not to worship her and Jez is just drunk, rumbling about voices in his head. They all can have coherent conversations but their madness shines through - Ishar would be recognisable in the Stormfaker, there was nothing of Ishar in that person. Afair, Nale didn't feel something was coming, it was all Ishar's idea decades before Gavliar was assassinated. RoW ch 77: OB ch 40: How was Ishar the closest thing to Honor? The Oathpact was broken, his Connection was nearly non-existent, he lacked his Honorblade to hijack the visions to learn what's inside - he was 100% incapable of knowing about the visions. Only the real Stormfather knew. The Stormfather is lying, huh? So if he can lie to Dalinar, why not to Gavilar? If he can lie to Gavilar, why is there even a need for the Stormfaker? This line of argumenting doesn't make a lot of sense in relation to the Stormfaker, it actually speaks in favor of the Stormfather. The real Stormfather was showing visions to Gavilar - that was confirmed a long time ago by a WoB. The Stormfather has to be part of it (which raises a lot of questions, like why did he ignore conversations going on between Gavilar and the void, which Gavilar also called the Stormfather, or didn’t react when Gavilar entered visions without his assistance etc). The same can be said about Kalak, Battar, or Nale... And yet, the Stormfather noticed Dalinar's potential - that's not a faker speaking, that's the real Stormfather. The Stormfather tried with others, but eventually only Dalinar was left - that's why he went back on his words and tried a different approach. It's not the first time when the Stormfather went back on his words, remember Dalinar swearing his Oaths? Maybe because the Stormfather didn't talk to Dalinar openly until OB? And in one of the earliest chapters of OB the Stormfather is telling Dalinar about it, OB ch 16: Maybe there was a proto-bond existing between them, just like between Kal and Syl. The Stormfather was meant to choose a Bondsmith and he chose Gavilar at first. They didn't have a full bond, but they did share a stronger Connection - the Stormfather talked to him, showed himself to him, was near him etc. He probably could have done this with Dalinar too (he did talk to him at the end of WoR), but he never revealed himself to Dalinar (because he tried differently this time) and Dalinar had no chance to request it (looks like Gavilar requested to see this vision because he eneded it on command). Nale started to kill Radiants at least two decades before OB, he reclaimed his Honorblade waaaaay earlier. OB ch 106: As for when Ishar reclaimed his Honorblade, Szeth knew Shins had all blades except for Nale and Taln's blades. Ishar said he reclaimed his Honorblade when he went to Shinovar, which started to worship Unmades and he saved them from Unmades. There was nothing wrong in Shinovar when Rysn visited it in WoK, Shinovar was fine in OB when they were exchanging messages with Dalinar, only after OB did they isolated themselves and even started to shot arrows at Windrunners. This suggests it's around this time Unmades appear in Shinovar and only after this did Ishar regained his Honorblade. Long after Gavilar died. That wasn't the reason. The reason was to prevent a bridge from forming (quote above), but it was fine when thousands of Radiants existed before and during Recreance? No danger of any bridge back then? I’m not buying it, it's insanity shining through Ishar. They ARE Cognitive Shadows, whether they have their Honorblades or not. The timeline of the First Desolation is very uncertain, we don't know if Heralds became CS before Honorblades or after, but Honorblades are more of a gift - they aren't Connected to the Oathpact. Also, the bond with Honorblades isn't as deep as the one with Spren (if even a spren bond didn't help Nale alleviate his madness, a Honorblade won't help at all). Moreover, we've already seen signs of Kalak and Jezrien insanity in the prelude - they are subtle, but they are there already. This is a common thing for all Cognitive Shadows, Fused suffer the same fate. A mortal soul is simply not made to live for thousands of years under torture. But there is a sense of guilt contributing to it - but it's not about intents.

He became the God-Priest of Tukar in 1167 - the same year Gavilar died. I do like that the timeline fits very well, but in my opinion nothing else fits. And this is one of my biggest problems with Ishar being the Stormfaker, which I repeatedly pointed out in the main theory thread - how on the 10th name of the Almighty did Ishar remain sane for 4,500 years, just to become madly insane after Gavilar died? The Stormfaker is too mentally stable to be Ishar. That doesn't work for me. Heralds are all mad because they lived for too long and Ishar is no exception. There are even suggestions that Ishar was already consumed by his insanity well before Gavilar was killed - when he ordered Nale killing all Radiants decades before 1167. This simply doesn't work. Not to mention that Heralds can't feel each other's regular death, or that Ishar didn't have his Honorblade that night, so he couldn't hack his way into Stormfather's Connection with Gavilar - he reclaimed it sometime after OB. So how did he return from Braize 7 whole years earlier than Taln? Why didn't Fused return shortly after Ishar? I don't think this is possible at all, otherwise this Desolation would have started within the year after Gavilar's assassination. It didn't start back then, which means the Herald who died remained on Braize until Taln returned. Most Heralds didn't do much in those 4,500 years. Only Kalak and Nale did something big, they were involved in capturing BAM and that's it. The rest started to be active shortly before the True Desolation - including Nale's killing spree. Heralds aren't the central characters of SA anymore, they abandoned that role during Aharietiam. They don't have to do anything of note. Jezrien didn't do anything except drink before he died. And Chana couldn't have done much since she died, because she spent most of that time on Braize - which kind of prevents her from doing things of note on Roshar. And we still don't know where Vedel is and because of that imo she's the only Herald that could have died that night. We know where the rest were, what they are doing, we know they couldn't have died. But we know nothing about Chana and Vedel - only they could be killed in 1167.

Hello, welcome to the Shard. Check out Sharder FAQ for some useful tips. We've discussed a little bit of the consequences of the new version of the prologue in relation to the Stormfaker theory here, specifically starting from this post and in some other topics in this subsection. This particular quote from ch 6 was not discussed before. Personally I find it to cause even more problems for this theory - if Ishar already claims to be Honor's champion, why would he search for one at all? He doesn't need a new champion when he views himself as the champion of Honor. Quotes from RoW ch 111 confirms that he already sees himself as the one who will fight against Odium's champion and the Almighty himself.

Treamayne explained it very well already, I will add something from myself, including some WoBs. Warbreaker/Elantris spoilers:

Judging from Dalinar's boon and curse, which reversed itself by Cultivation's design, I suspect Taravangain's boon and curse also ceased to work, because it did what it was supposed to do - predict the future and give Taravangian the most passionate day of his life so he would be suitable for Ascension to Odium.

I will add that they were apparently made by Adonalsium himself, just like Singers and humans (or rather with the same intent, whatever it means): Edit: Shapeshifting is quite common in Cosmere:

It is already explained, they are Siah Aimian-human hybrids (Siah Aimian have a blue skin).