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That's not "more powerful Awakening" that I'm talking about. If you have 25 Breaths and you made a strawman which requires 25 Breaths at minimum, with your hair as a focus like Vasher did in prologue, it would still cost you 25 Breaths to Awaken such strawman with your hair even if you have 50000 Breaths, and it would still do the same thing. The cost of Awakening isn't reduced the higher your Hightening is. Your second to last, bolded sentence is wrong. 50 Breaths will do the same no matter how many Breaths you have. Awakeners with more Breaths don't care about making their objects in human shape and with a focus, they just push more Breaths into an object and it does the same thing as the cheaper one. The strength of an Awakened object doesn't depend on the amount of Breaths you used to Awaken it. This is in contrast with Surgebinding - the more Ideals you swear, the more efficient you are with your use of Stormlight. A Windrunner of 4th Ideal can do more Lashings, or heal more, than a Windrunner of 1st Ideal with the same amount of Stormlight. Awakening doesn't work like that.

I agree. While the magictech won't replace invested arts, they will definitely level the fighting plane and provide tools for an average Doug to counter Radiants, Mistborns and other invested individuals. You don't need to win a lottery of genetics to be a Feruchemist anymore, you just need to buy a proper medallion. Awakened tools are becoming commercially available, fabrials will be more common and versatile. And the capabilities of such magictech are quite large - just remember Kelsier who used the orb that allowed him to Ascend to Preservation. The magictech is certainly more restrictive in what it can achieve, and in many cases you need some external source of power, so having access to classical invested arts will not become obsolete - it will still be more desirable to be a Feruchemist than just have some medallions, or to be a Radiant than just use some fabrials. Moreover the invested arts aren't fully explored yet - there is still so much more to discover about them, that the possibilities they provide will expand in the future alongside the development of magictech.

I think that's something that @Treamayne did. If you want just the reading order then here it is:

No, that was only an example. This is his theory, he thought that by touching the medallion it gives you the ability to tap F-nicrosil on its own, and you then tap nicrosilmind to get other abilities - so why can't you get them all at once without tapping. If I understood that correctly. I don't think they work exactly the same - M-nicrosil works like F-copper, but I think F-nicrosil works like F-steel or other metalminds. That's true. But that makes the most sense as there is no such thing as a "general Ferring" or something like that - this is coded in sDNA and your spiritweb, and this is tied to a specific metal. There is a Full Feruchemist, but that's not what medallions are. I just want to be sure. What's your source on that? Was it said specifically somewhere in the book or WoB? Because the quote you provided earlier isn't proving that metalminds are required. I'm not denying it. Or other metalminds provide a specific identity necessary for a medallion to grant those powers that are stored in the nicrosilmind. The F-copper is like a bunch of different types of memories stored in the same piece of metal, like images, texts or even indexes. And M-nicrosil works like a F-copper so there would be no such conflict. I don't think it can work like that. The realmatics of Feruchemy is that it's your soul that provides the manifestation, it tells you in which metal you can store and tap from, the metal itself only stores the attribute, it doesn't make you a Feruchemist. There is no "access to Feruchemy" or something like this. I think the medallion has some sort of blank connection attached to it, which snaps to a person wearing it, and through that connection it gives you the unkeyed powers stored in a nicrosilmind. Furthermore I think that the nicrosilmind works more like a Hemalurgics spike (Hemalurgy makes it easier to make medallions), as it stores whole pieces of the soul responsible for giving you powers, and hotwires them into your soul via that blanked connection. That's why M-nicrosil works like F-copper.

Ok, my bad. The original question is "why not use the same mechanism that gives you F-nicrosil, to give you all other powers" - it works like that already. But all those powers are stored in nicrosil and I'm focusing on that too much on nicrosil part, thinking that the question is "if nicrosil can give you powers without being a Soulbearer, then why other metalminds can't do the same without the need for nicrosil part at all". My bad. People who use medallions don't tap nicrosil for powers in the first place - the medallion gives that to them if they know what it does. The medallion just grants them ALL the powers stored in the nicrosilmind when you touch it and know what it does - by knowing what it does you provide an Intent and you start to feel the other metalminds in that medallion. They just tap the attributes stored in other metalminds, or store attributes in metalminds. But the nicrosil portion already grant them abilities to use those metalminds - all of them, not just nicrosil one, but all with nicrosil. I don't think the Nicrosil part stores "being a Ferring" as there is no such thing. It stores what kind of Ferring you are, like a Skimmer, a Firesoul and a Soulbearer - a specific kind of Ferring, not a general one because such a general one doesn't exist. There has to be a Skimmer that stored his ability in the medallion in the first place, to allow others to tap ironminds. But tbf we don't know much about how medallions work, so it's hard to say what they do precisely. @..... My bad, I misunderstood you again. The answer is medallions are already doing what you're asking about. You don't tap nicrosilmind in a medallion for F-iron, the medallion gives you all powers at once, not just F-nicrosil. You only tap other metalminds, while the lifeforce of the medallion is giving you what's stored in nicrosilmind on its own. BoM ch 20: Notice that Marasi realized it's an ironmind, she can store weight there, not that she can tap nicrosilmind for powers and then use ironmind. The power of F-iron was already provided to her by wearing the medallion, alongside F-nicrosil. She only store an attribute into the medallion, without tapping anything from it. You can use any metalmind while having a medallion:

We don't know most of that. Different cultures have different approaches, for example Returned in Idris just spend a week with their family, but in Hallandren they’ve already practiced the Cult of Returned, which was more or less the same as we see during Warbreakers - Vasher was taken care by them, given name and Breaths, and treated like a god, but nobody said anything about his past. We don't know the origins of other Five Scholars, they might have come from different lands with different traditions, that's true. But if they came from Hallandren, then they wouldn’t know who they were before their Return. But I think the bigger problem is that there were 2 sets of siblings that both Returned more or less in the same timeframe - and that's statistically unlikely to happen. Why?

I thought the same but about Awakening - Awaken a Mistcloak and attach a thin metal spike to the end of each ribbon - with a proper command and visualization, the cloak might be able to steal some attributes/abilities by precision striking the heart (it can catch an arrow midair, it can definitely put a spike a proper binding point), and your visualization might be the provider of intent, if the Awaken cloak itself can't provide it. That's a good way to steal Breaths and identity of your opponents, or tbf just kill them and take a little souvenir with you - like a whole bunch of Breaths so they won't get wasted with their death. Of course, if the intent can be provided here in some way.

I have that only when a bot spams topics with massively long titles in that subforum. After they get banned and the forum is cleared, everything is back to normal. Having a character limit for titles would probably solve this issue, but maybe the issue is already solved in the new update.

It's because Yoki-Hijo are chosen by Spirits, blessed by them, Invested and Connected by and to them in some way, and now Spirits simply don't need them, as TV dramas are good enough for them, and some have chosen to become hion permanently. Society itself has no need for Yoki-Hijo as well, no need for light, flying devices etc, only for hion, but this is provided because Spirits voluntarily have chosen to remain as hion. Nobody needs to convince them to become "useful" anymore. And I'm just saying - Nightmare Painting isn't invested art. It's just using perception and imaging to shape Cognitive Shadows, who on Komashi have no identity and no Shard presence, therefore there are very susceptible to perception.

I do (edit: not) understand what you're saying, you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. You need the nicrosil portion of a medallion, because that's what gives you powers to tap metalminds in the first place. You can't get rid of it and make the rest of the medallion give you powers, because the powers are STORED in the nicrosil portion of a medallion, not in other medalminds. Because the whole medallion is alive, has a bit of a life-force, is a little machine, it gives you Feruchemical powers from the nicrosil portion so you can use metalminds. The whole mechanism works by drawing the ability of Feruchemy from the nicrosilmind in a medallion, and giving it to you (kind of), and you can't store powers of Feruchemy somewhere else, this is stored only in nicrosil. Medallion doesn't work without the nicrosil portion, because that's what's giving you powers, all powers.

That's precisely what I thought you meant and I've explained to you why you can't do that. You need the ability to tap specific metalminds, and this is only given to you by F-nicrosil. F-nicrosil stores the ability to use metalminds, it stores all invested arts, like Allomancy or Feruchemy. If you have a heat medallion, F-brass, you need the ability to tap brassmind, and you can't store it in a brassmind, this is innate investiture stored in nicrosilminds only, thus you have to store this in a nicrosilmind first. A brassmind can't store that attribute in it, it can only hold heat, you need to have a nicrosilmind in which the ability of F-brass Ferring is stored. A medallion has to have a nicrosil part because without it, it can't grant powers, without it, it is just an unkeyed metalmind usable only to other Feruchemists that have this ability. In a medallion all Feruchemical abilities are stored in a nicrosil part, and only there. The "know what it does" is nothing more than Intent. You need to have the intent to use medallions, and for that you need to know what it does. You don't know what it does simply by touching it - Wax was given an F-copper medallion, the coin, by Hoid early in BoM, but only in the epilogue did he realized it's a medallion, this he know what it does, thus he could provide the Intent and tap it. That's Intent.

It's neither Scadrial, nor Roshar - it's Taldain, Autonomy's planet. The Man of Gold and Red looked quite advanced in my opinion, TLM ch 60: Spoilers from both Yumi and Sunlit books are not allowed here. Please edit your post and hide this in a spoiler box or delete it. For all we know Invention wasn't on Ashyn, Odium was. I don't thin Invention was on Ashyn. Shard investing in a planet has a really hard time leaving it to invest in another planet - they have to either take all of that investiture with them, or rip it off themself, both are really painful processes. If Invention invested in a world with Sho Del, they might have different priorities than expanding into space, thus they simply aren't there. Or maybe Invention is the Shard that hasn't invested in any world, WoB confirmed there is a Shard like that, and also in his letter in RoW, Harmony said he wasn't able to locate Invention after their initial contact - weird for a Shard inhabiting a world. Yumi spoilers: Or maybe the name Invention is misleading. After all, Autonomy despite her intent, shares technology with their people to advance them more, and on top of that they are an extreme control freak - Invention might be simply the opposite, they just wait patiently and observe with no interference, no knowledge sharing, without pushing them forward, waiting for them to develop on their own. Just because the Shard is named Invention doesn't mean they have the most technologically advanced planet, or they're pushing people to invent.

It's not because he's a sliver, it's because he's a Cognitive Shadow. No Shard can be connected to another world in a way they are connected to their primary system. Even Autonomy creates Avatars not because she invests in different world, but because she realizes there is already her investiture that she can use instead. The coppermind said: The anchor is in the Cognitive Realm, not Spiritual, not even in Physical, that's why they can't leave, as they're like the Dor, tied to location. It's not about Connection to a Shard nor a planet. Or connect him to PR and remove his connection to SR. In RoW Kalak said "or". RoW ch 92: But I'm not really sure that's it, it feels weird.

I don't think he is tied to Preservation, Preservation is already everywhere, and in SR space has no meaning, he should be able to leave without troubles if he was tied to Preservation. He is bound to Scadrial itself. I think this is more similar to how the Dor on Sel works, with all invested arts being tied to location, because that's how investiture in CR behaves. He is basically the Dor - investiture in CR, and this investiture is tied to both Shardic intent and physical location - this is Sacdrial. Preservation's investiture growing on another planet won't change where he's tied to. Maybe if you unkeyed him he would be able to leave? But I think that would kill him, that would sever his Connection to SR which keeps him alive, and he would fade just like a Herald trapped in a gemstone does. Not to mention those planets would have to share a border in CR, he can't just jump above numerous subastrals and he would still be Connected to Scadrial, which is always stronger compared to any other place where Scadrians settled.

I'm not sure If I understand you. It's really hard to read without knowing where a sentence starts or ends, without periods, commas etc. Please try using them. Are you suggesting that medallions shouldn't have a nicrosil portion at all, and that the rest should just give you powers on their own? Like for example an F-copper medallion should have just a copper portion and nothing else, and you knowing what it does should just give you the ability to tap copperminds? Then that's not possible, copper doesn't grant you powers, it only stores memories. In Feruchemy, nicrosil stores the ability to use invested arts, it stores part of your soul that gives you powers. You can store your Feruchemy only in Nicrosilminds and nowhere else. No other metal stores those abilities, you need to have Feruchemical powers to tap metalminds. That's why nicrosil is a necessary part of medallions, the coppermind can't store the ability to tap copperminds, this can be given to you only by nicrosil. The weirdness of medallions is that everyone, without even being a nicrosil Ferring, can use medallions. This is because medallions are a bit self-aware, they are a little alive and have identity on their own, and they grant you the ability of nicrosil Ferring, so you can tap the nicrosilmind and get other Feruchemical abilities from it. We don't know why this works like this, and how Malwish made them, but they are basically a little machines that gives you this ability so you can use the rest of medallions. You can't use metalminds without being a Feruchemist first, and you can't store that in any other metal than nicrosil - you need that nicrosilmind there and you need to be able to tap it in the first place as well.

I don't think they've read Era 2 yet, so please remove that part from your post.

I think that might work, but you would need a lot, and I mean a lot of Scadrians on a planet to form such Connection, and this might not be even enough for Kel anyways. Forming a Perpendicularity like Set did might require some raw investiture, or just several years of large amounts of metalborn sitting closely in a cave. Harmony is theoretically everywhere, but his mind is limited in reach, he can't be aware of all of his investiture in Cosmere - he would need to expand his mind and this might help him to become aware of his investiture on another planet. But for Kelsier that wouldn't be enough. He needs more than that.

Her name is very different, very non-human. And this was confirmed by Brandon in this WoB: The best place to look for such information is Coppermind wiki and look at the sources provided, which are often WoBs, or book chapters. Look out for spoilers, if you haven't read some books. You can use Time Machine to hide spoilers from recently released books, like Secret Projects. Edit: @Treamayne

He is using it constantly. It's like Vin burning Atium when her opponent is also burning Atium - she sees thousands of possibilities all the time, for Vin they are useless, she can't understand them, can't see them all, she can't comprehend them all, but for Ruin the story is different. He sees them all, understands them all, but doesn't know which one will come true. He can nudge people here and there to help him reach the future he wants but the future in Cosmere isn't certain, and for Shards it's especially uncertain, just a bunch of possibilities he constantly sees. But when he revealed himself to Vin in Fadrex's cave, that was because he saw that there was no future in which he can lose now. He was wrong, and that was because he was not very good with this. The problem with this is the more someone holds a Shard, the more changed they are to fit Shardic intent, the less human they are. Ruin was the way he was because he was holding the Shard for so long that the person he used to be was gone, he was just the mind shaped by destruction, blinded by it and unable to act or even think against it. At that point Ruin is more or less just a force of nature, and that's important for Cosmere.

The Final Empire was mostly homogeneous by the design of the Lord Ruler. We can see this when we read early Sazed chapters in WoA, Spook's flashback, and both chapters in Fadrex and Urteau in HoA. Skaa are Skaa no matter where they are, the Lord Ruler rules no matter how far away from Luthadel it is, Obligators are a constant reminder of this, and nobles are cruel and selfish everywhere. With Terris we know more because of Sazed and Twindyl - they'd been bred and trained to become the perfect servant, there were no free Terris people before Rashek's death, no society, no culture. Only Keepers kept the memory going in secret. While I understand why you want to read more about the other places in the empire, I think that's not the point of the series, it wasn't about the empire, but about people. And those people have no reason to go to places so far away from Luthadel. Read also the Eleventh Metal too, it's a very short story about Kelsier before TFE - it's happening further away from Luthadel. That's fair, he's meant to be conflicting - he did many evil things, committed numerous unforgettable atrocities and yet he had the good of his people in his mind, he protected them from Ruin and searched for a way to save them from the end - all while Ruin was constantly whispering in his mind. But that doesn't mean he was a good guy - he had the good of humanity in his mind, but does the end justify the means? That's why he was portrayed in that way, to make you question him more, to make him more interesting. There was no denying he was a bad person, but when faced with Ruin and his plan of total destruction, you need to answer if Rashek's tyrannical actions were justified or not. Personally he's one of my favorite villains. Because he was free. He did all of those things through centuries to make someone release him, and Vin did it. There was no reason for him to change scripts, influence prophecies and stuff like that, he got his freedom and now could slowly destroy the world. In his mind he already won. But I get it - it's interesting to read about this mysterious, unknown, manipulating and evil power, and that's who he was in WoA, while in HoA he was just a guy with puppets gloating to Vin. But he still do a lot there - caused another House War in Luthadel, took control over Urteau, the Citizen and Spook, tricked Vin and Elend into collecting the army of Koloss and manipulated them into discovering Rashek's caves for him, while pushing Vin to search for Atium. The difference is he was no longer mysterious and unknown, he had a face and a voice now. That's not the same. And he wasn't that subtle because he was no longer limited by his cage. Because Preservation was one of the best at precognition while Ruin was not so good with this. Shard's intent is imporntat when it comes to precognition. But it still happened, Preservation's vision was clouded because of Ruin's vision, but because he was better, he could predict further despite Ruin. Future vision on Shardic level is just different, and we still don't know much about it. It's like a broken glass - the further away you look the more it is splintered into smaller and smaller pieces, the harder it is to actually know what is going to happen. Shards see possibilities, thousands and thousands of possibilities, not certain futures. Preservation was so good that he could notice the outcome he wanted to achieve so far out in the future, and hope his nudges at the right time and place would help people reach towards this outcome. But he didn't know for certain this would happen, he had only hope.

I think in that case you won't create any Hemalurgic spike. I personally believe that when you create a spike, the charge is either corrupted by Ruin, or some of Ruin's investiture is provided from SR so you can rip that piece of investiture from the soul. Without Ruin's investiture, you won't be able to create any spike - if I'm right. Technically what you are stealing when taking Allomantic or Feruchemical powers is only/mostly Preservation's investiture. What Set was stealing when making their spikes in TLM was also innate investiture, only/mostly Preservation's investiture. In both cases you're stealing Preservation's fragment, which is pure Preservation's investiture, there is no Ruin there. I'm saying mostly, because there might be some additional parts of the soul, so some bits of Ruin's investiture might be stolen as well, but that's a tiny amount if this is happening at all. Proper intent and Command might eliminate this and allow you to steal precisely what you want and nothing more (almost what Set was doing). In other ways, you don't need to do what you propose, as you don't steal Ruin's investiture, only Preservation's. The power of Surgebinding is the result of Nahel Bond - you need to not only steal the power from a spren, but also steal the bond from spren's knight. Raw investiture doesn't grant you any powers, so you won't get any invested arts by stealing just raw investiture. You can't really make the Shardic investiture which makes up the soul go away. It's stuck in the soul and even anti-tone won't push it out. With The Sibling that was something else, as they were infused with Voidlight, but their soul wasn't mixed with Odium's investiture. That's why Navani could push it out. But when that tone was played in the presence of Raboniel, her soul shivered but was not pushed out. When playing the anti-tone during Hemalurgy, you would most likely still steal that investiture as it's still a part of the soul.

There was a topic not long ago where we engaged in this a little and imagined a bunch of Shardworlds and invested arts. Not a little but a lot. If you're interested you can read it here:

Oh boy. I think a mummy will to some degree, however spikes would still dacay but slower. A mummy is dried piece of flesh, with internal organs removed (even the brain was removed) and no blood. I think the spiritweb of the meat must be relatively fresh, and must consider itself to be still a part of a body, to some degree, so it could trick a spike - being wet and bloody helps. A jerky or a mummy don't have that anymore, so they either wouldn't work, or would only partially prevent decay.

Did you ever hear about the Greatshell Roshar society: Healing crystals on Roshar are real. Almost. Space deniers would be Shadesmar deniers in Cosmere and Adolin's expedition to the Lasting Integrity is a hoax. Reptilians run US government - Kandra run Elendel government. Illuminati, I mean Ghostbloods, run the whole Cosmere. And of course classic "Cosmere is a simulation". Gavilar isn't dead (this theory was really popular in the fandom), or better, Dalinar was behind Gavilar's assassination - just look at him, he literally took control over the entire Alethkar since then.

Either reforging Honor or releasing BAM would fix him. I think the Stormfather will become a Deadeye rather early in KoWT, as a result of whatever TOdium is planning in regards to the Contest of Champions, then the rest of the book will be focused on dealing with consequences of this while the Stormfather is dead and no Stormlight can be provide, until eventually in the climax someone will Ascend to Honor and the Stormfather him, or release of BAM would fix him.