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Marsh cause i'm really curious where he would fit considering he was morally ambiguous but his heart has always been in the right place. Now that i think about it he sounds like a stoneward(that insane patience to help Vin's side under Ruin's control)

Bronze turned from a really boring ability to something that can be written interestingly in a few WoB.

Apparently bronze can detect other magic being used. And there are other similar too But a surgebinder detecting another surgebinder ? Idk What i'm sure is that their spren(maybe just the honorspren?) can detect surgebinding and can even detect the difference of the surgebinding between honorblades/shardblade as Syl has done so at the end of Words of Radiance. So the spren could just tell his surgebinder that somebody is using stormlight

Granted, but the final desolation begins. The fused come out, the secret societies learn about your honorblade and all sphere in your immediate vicinity are dun sphere with the next high storm happening in 3 months. And where you currently at is the area that the voidbringers planned to assemble. Good luck ! I wish to become a protagonist of a fantasy book series.

I cannot accept Moash in the good side anymore. It's headcannonically impossible for me even if Sanderson wrote it that way. I refuse to accept Moash again. I'd rather Szeth kills him anticlimatically or something Seriously if Sanderson plans a redemption arc for him i hope he doesn't rehash Dalinar's turn back to the light. I hate rehashing similar plot. Careful with that. You know he holds the life of your favorite character you know ? xD

Hey weeelcome Favorite: (wow this is hard) I suppose Kaladin. And Rand as my favorite from WoT(since you mentioned WoT) Least: Zane and Gwayne disrespectively(that was not hard). Well you can also get both xD

No it wasn't that. Leras, Ati, Vin and Rashek held a shard but all passed the beyond. The catch is that they could stay but anybody could leave if they let the beyond take them.

Holding Preservation doesn't automatically makes you good(we have Rashek as an example for that). None of the shards makes you good it still depends on you. Did Kelsier really learn his lesson of love ? Based on Secret History i don't think so, really think about how different Vin acts or Sazed does. In fact this time around the "right situation" is much harder to present itself that would make Kelsier a good guy. Wouldn't count it out that Kelsier won't turn out as a villain from the hints of brandon. And well the seemingly unsuccessful and incosistent thing that Secret History really didn't seem to change him. Hoid being the big bad is predictable as hell. And his actions already scream good side even if his methods can be "the ends justify the means". We already have plenty of examples who has that thoughtprocess but still ended up as the ally(hint the shards with vessels who love humanity are all like that especially preservation) Either Bavadin or some other shard that hasn't been introduced(who might be playing everybody like a bloody fiddle). We are after all still early in the cosmere. Like there's a million more novel to go till we reach the middle-endgame.

Like i said on the comments of the CosmereBeef cast or complaincast. Kelsier's revival was a huge mistake and that it undermined to many many things including the insanely impactful and meaningful event of his death. More would be: Lift isn't as fun as she portrayed. Not really sold on her. Shallan and Kaladin during the chasm was unnatural like really cringy at times. Mr. T's development is not good. He just looks like a cartoon villain sidekick now from an intriguing character. Odium lost his edge since Oathbringer. He used to invoke feelings of dread and inevitability etc. Now he's just another Dark Lord. Really big downgrade from how ominous and freaky he was hinted during the first two books. That probably needs to change.

How did you discover Cosmere and Sanderson in general ? Favorite Sanderson book ? Favorite none-Sanderson book ? Favorite novel/series ? What's the reason for picking your username ?

I have a hunch there won't be other Bondsmiths. Or if there will be it will be for a short time. I think Dalinar's role might be really unique in this story sequence.

@Calderis I considered that reason actually since we have seen some Radiants like Szeth/Kaladin/Shallan can literally ignore the pain of getting wounded and continue functioning despite getting stabbed, arrow in the head, hit hard, slammed etc where they know from a fact that stormlight will keep them alive but then Jasnah didn't get hit by anything. It really bothers me that somebody who isn't combat savvy didn't get hit in response by soldiers trained their entire lives that scene was acceptable if it was Szeth since the dude is extremely proficient in combat and is used to reading attack/response pattern of people cause he fights people in physical confrontation alot but not Jasnah who has spent most of her time doing scholastic chores. She didn't so much as take a spear in the gut or get hit by a blunt attack by one of them. Or even an awkward moment of struggle or some of the dead bodies hitting her. Or the weight of the shardblade being a bother. Nothing it's like she's actually Szeth who can outdo people with equal training quite easily. It didn't make sense it's like seeing an average office worker running through a squad of policemen no problem. It was the level of difficulty that she should've faced that bothered me, it shouldn't have been that smooth. Obviously a healing shardbearer beats a squad of soldiers but she isn't really somebody like Kaladin/Adolin who is practiced in the arts of war so that shouldn't have been that smooth . It was a untrained(could be trained depending on the past but still) vs people who dedicated their lives in mastering the arts of war, it shouldn't have been that easy for Jasnah. There should've been much more resistance. Anyways this is really the last time i'm gonna write a wall of text about this . Since i think i may overexplained the case why i think Jasnah was MarySue-ish more than enough amount.

It's a fictional story so ridiculously talented people are fine but if it starts to not make sense that can destroy the suspension of belief quite easily. Confidence and perception doesn't grant to pure skill and experience. You can pretend to be the real thing but you can't do the things that the real thing does unless you are actually the real thing. One of shallan's chapters actually address this extremely clearly with her being Veil distributing food ending up a disaster since while she can pretend to be a street savvy she doesn't really understand the nuances that a street savvy knows because she is not one. Hence failure. Perception isn't the the answer to everything. You don't suddenly become a great cook without cooking alot in your life. Since if power of illusion is all you need and not really experience/knowledge/actual skill then you might as well put Elhokar's son or Navani or some random servant girl into the battlefield by just brainwashing them into thinking they're soldiers and expect them to be able to spin the spear in an extremely awesome way like Kaladin does without training them for years. Cause that's just a waste of time if perception can grant skills those skills anyways. That's why we can't expect Kaladin or Adolin to suddenly have godlike scholastic throughprocess and knowledge by simply by them thinking "i could be a scholar" without the actual education and shaping of mindset that scholars get. That's why i would think Jasnah's sudden competence on a matter she shouldn't be competent if you really think about how her overall character should act. It's just a criticism that hard to ignore. Jasnah is still the female character i look forward to the most from Stormlight(after reading oathbringer). I mean other female characters are good and all but Jasnah is just so much more fun reading about than them. damnation i didn't expect to write so much comment(or complaints) just because of her one scene(probably one line).

I'm one of the minority who believes that Kelsier's revival was a really bad idea. It undermined so much of the good stuff from the Mistborn Trilogy that i thought made that trilogy really work(aside from the tight culmination to the ending of course ). Apart from his deus ex machina ruining the meaning of one of Sazed's epigraphs that was what encompassed the theme of original trilogy there was so many events in the trilogy that was represented as fighting against the bitter end which was Spooks/Gorodels/Marsh story and contribution in beating Ruin. Kelsier playing behind the scenes and having a hand on those undermined the climax of those characters that was supposed to be their own contribution on the culmination of all things. A grand effort in finally beating Ruin. It ruined the meaning of "passing the baton" which has been a theme of Mistborn. Which was supposed to be what Kelsier and Rashek was mostly about but Kelsier ruined the meaning of that and Rashek didn't. I loved mistborn as a culmination of all things that lead to the most important event(the ascension of the Hero of Ages and the caretaker that the people who suffered so much finally deserved. Sazed) but not as a bloody Kelsier show. One man shows are fine but undermining other characters efforts if it was what made the story special is just terrible. His revival most of all cheapened the meaning of the single most climactic event in the TFE that was the circumstances of his finality(or should've been). It was one the best things i've read in all fiction until it was not because of Secret History. Still a powerful execution but no longer the best thing. Not all characters have to be "greater scope characters". We already have a conspiracy(pulling strings from behind or playing the background) character which is Hoid. We also have characters who made sense and wasn't detrimental on them going to the greater scale story which was Marsh, the kandra and Sazed(especially him.. the entire trilogy was his setup for the greater game). Not Kelsier, he's supposed to stay dead. I know it's supposed to fill the missing link between the time of Leras death and Vin's ascension but it could've been setup better or Well that's my absolute #1 complain RANT OVER

Because the real-world could never offer the amount of craziness fiction does. It also helps us believe in the really cruel and unforgiving world we live in. Weeelcome ! Start posting theories immediately so that we can start arguing and people starts saying "YOU'RE WROOOONG" Cosmere is a fascinating thing. It's one of more well-constructed shared universe fictional stories so far. And the concept of shards where powers beyond comprehension that encompasses concepts is just so goddamn fascinating

Yeah i kinda agree. Well we still don't know enough about Amaram apart from his "the ends justify the means" method with intentions he believes as right and for the benefit of Alekthar if not Roshar. I see him as another Kelsier(not the same personality) but if the circumstances and allegiances were different he could've simply been another redemption character of the right side(like Elhokar or Dalinar) with the "you can be a better person if chose to now". I believe Jasnah seems to be the link with him that will reveal more about whether he is truly just misguided person or a pig hypocrite who's just really pretending to be a righteous person.

That's interesting. and yeah a deus ex machina of

Yeah it's uncertain

Somebody who's killing himself Hoid should already know about this ! xD The next Mistborn book title "The Last Metal" seems like Atium fits but it also doesn't make sense since Sazed could've picked it up upon ascension as he unhindered and has both Preservation(the one who caused the Atium) and Ruin(the one needing it). And there's a WoB below about Sazed doing something about Ruin's extra power which is probably implies the missing Atium being rejoined to Harmony. Sanderson has been purposely being vague about this but has also stated that currently(at least before The Last Metal) there are no Atium production and the last Atium are with Marsh. So we kinda don't know till book 4 i suppose. Anyways here are the WoB

Might be worth mentioning that Sanderson already pulled the "ally to enemy" trick one time from a somehow loved character which was Marsh. (he was apparently well-liked according to Sanderson's anotations) So he clearly has no problems making a popular character the face of the enemy. Marsh acted more as an antagonist rather than a protagonist most of the series. Also Sanderson's overall theme of good and bad being blurred by motivation, actions and situations has been a cosmere theme so it can happen.

@Draigon I can't think of a word that encompasses more similar what i think about Jasnah other than "Mary Sue" currently so yea i'm using that word as of now for convenience of the idea that i'd like to convey. Anyways like @Toaster Retribution says it's not like i think Jasnah is really the "Mary Sue" or the "awesome idealized self-insert character" but her lack of glaring flaws that convincingly affect her or that she is simply too good at things that truly matter when you would assume she should not be that good at that aspect. One issue of her overall Mary Sue quality that i could specifically cite is during the battle at Thaylen City where while her ownage through soulcasting was absolutely totally reasonable since she is basically the longest Radiant of Team Dalinar(which i also suspect that she is the Radiant who already earned Shardplate), she's a practiced soulcaster, Dalinar boosting everybody through Honor's Perpedicularity and that elsecallers being the best interms of soulcasting(correct me if i'm wrong with this one since i remember this being stated but not sure if it was from ). So the problem with that one scene where she sweeps a clump of Odium corrupted Sadeas troops with one hand using a Shardblade in a single fluid motion. Now that itself doesn't sound unreasonable if that was Adolin, Szeth, Dalinar or the other good/trained swordform shardblade wielders. The problem was that it was Jasnah who did it somebody who doesn't have the proper shardblade training(nobody knows she has a shardblade or was she willing to reveal to somebody who trains her), the very showcase of natural aptitude for physical combat(she is not Kaladin or Szeth) and the extreme lack of experience of physical confrontations which does really affects your actual fights through(mindset, judgment of distance in combat, range of weapons, reaction time etc that there could be an entire different post about this) She literally did something that only a shardblade wielder who has experienced dueling/battle alot would do, somebody who's has the mindset of somebody already used to physical confrontation(this matters BIGTIME there's a distinct confidence and mindset for those who are already attuned to facing physical confrontations and those who don't which separates Shallan/Navani from Adolin/Dalinar/Kaladin) which doesn't make sense with her character and most importantly she did it against soldiers trained their entire lives without getting a single spear wound in response without being Kaladin/Szeth levels of training/confidence/proficiency. Stormlight doesn't grant you competence or skills so stormlight can never be a reason for it. That was the clearest very uncharacteristically mary sue action she has done that made me raise my eyebrows the first time i've read it even when all i felt about reading that parts of Oathbringer was just absolute hype. Don't get me wrong but i don't think of her as the "perfect" or a "bad" character it's more like abit "unbalanced" would be more appropriate as to how competent she is from her lack of convincing flaws. Sanderson has created some really incredibly competent characters that well really awesome as well. Those characters are Kelsier, Dalinar and Kaladin. Infact they are actually extreme levels of competent at what they do or competent at many aspects but they have very convincing flaws and clear failures that makes them much more feasible as characters. Simply because they're quite balanced as character they're showcased as somebody complex rather than a "Mary Sue". Jasnah is basically Elend/Shallan unflawed as of the moment but we may not have to worry about that since her flashback book is not yet there and Stormlight has 7 more books to showcase her. I have confidence about Sanderson regarding this matter. I mean if he could turn Lord Ruler into an incredibly complex character in posthumous fashion when he first portrayed him as the basic Lord Tyrant we are all familiar with or if he could turn Taln from "just interesting" into "WHAT AN AMAZING PERSON" in like a couple of lines. Jasnah should be in the good hands. TLDR: Jasnah needs more relevant faults that convincingly affects her and showcase the aspects she hasn't been as not good at to become a awesomely competent and complex character like Kaladin/Dalinar/Kelsier and not closer to Mary Sue characters like Kirito(from a popular anime SAO or just any basic Mary Sue characters that are plentiful from that form of media).

Or MAYBE he wants us to think that Marsh and his hemalurgic servants has a freewill. *winks* Yeah. Depends on which intent you are showcasing from your actions. He probably wasn't even mad about Bleeder's rebellion(cause it serving his other half) more like disappointed from kinda causing trouble on his layed out plans.(which sounds like Sazed to me)

I didn't even notice this one when i was reading Malazan. Now i'm gonna notice it in my rereads damnation it

Harmony can but will he ? Didn't at some point he said(i forgot where we got this information) that he'd really only take control of people who explicitly stated to give themselves to him for service. It's kinda his policy because of the vessel of Ruin before him. Besides despite Sazed changing as somebody much more pragmatic and manipulative(cause he needed to) that would still mean that Marsh and him still "work together" rather than Marsh "working for him". I think Harmony might have a really casual relationship with him. If his relationship with Spook(who just addresses him as Sazed rather than some Lordic honorific) or how casual the Kandra talks about him like he's just some kind of weird neighbor not their god lol At least i assume that's how their relationship work. More like Fuzz and Kelsier. Not Odium and the Fused

He kinda is. He's basically "god damnation it" or the "J C" exasperation we do.