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Quite possibly. I don’t think the betrayal was recent, but occurred around the time Odium struck the fatal blow to Honor. But I do think one of those two is secretly working for Odium into the present. I also think the contest will be over by the end of part two - maybe even part one! And I think the betrayal will come right around that time, when the traitor reveals him/herself to have been a double agent all along. We don’t know Battar. We’ve spent no time with her and we’ve had no viewpoints from her. We’ve barely even seen her influence. In contrast, our FIRST viewpoint was Kalak’s. Restares influence via the SoH has been a consistent thread throughout all the books. First through Amaram, then through Kalak/Restares himself. So if Kalak turns out to be working for Odium it would have been very well foreshadowed. We’ve just spent quite a bit of time with him, getting to know him. And we’ll spend more in the next book. We read his epigraphs and got his personal thoughts. He’s been presented to us in such a way that we’re quick to like and empathize him. At this point the only Herald we know more of is Nale. Kalak is definitely being set up for something. The question is what. Ash I find the less likely precisely because we don’t know her well. The difference is that we WILL. If Ash turns out to be a traitor, it’ll be to set up her back-half arc. She’ll be a PoV there and get a flashback book, so she could be being set up for a redemption arc/narrative. What little we do know of Ash does not lead us to view her as a potential traitor. Instead we see her as a half-mad, broken woman who feels tremendous guilt at abandoning the man she loves - a man who doesn’t even have the decency to blame her for doing so! If Ash is a traitor, she is a regretful one. Unlike Kalak, we DO know what Ash is being set up for. The back-half. It’s also only just now hit me that the SoH are directly involved in all major characters plots. Gavilar was part of the SoH and his death spurred Dalinar’s plot. And Eshonai had him killed using Szeth because Gavilar - and the SoH - wanted to return the Desolations. Amaram was part of the SoH and he began Kaladin’s story by killing the squad under Kalak’s orders. After Kaladin killed Shallan’s brother, who was seemingly there to kill Amaram. Shallan has been tracking the SoH for the Ghostbloods for three books. The SoH have been antagonists/driving forces from the beginning. I highly doubt that’s coincidental. Although I also think our last PoV will be Kalak’s. He began the Stormlight Archive. Maybe it’s all these keteks, but it feels right that he should finish it.

It’s because Battar is so unknown that I find her unlikely. It won’t mean anything if it’s her. Kalak’s organization was intentionally trying to return the Desolations, which is rather odd. And I don’t think our first mention of Restares - where he orders the deaths of Kaladin’s squad - is a coincidence. He was also our first viewpoint for a reason - and he was certain even then that Odium would be freed and was terrified of being tortured again. Oh, and Odium made it very clear that he can release a CS - exactly what Kalak wants. So I can definitely see him betraying everyone in exchange for a promise that he’ll be freed from Roshar. On the other hand, I could see Ash betraying everyone too. It’s odd that she’s been so unhelpful over the past year. And she was deeply worn by her guilt. If Odium promised to never again hurt Taln in exchange for Ash finding a loophole or playing a role for him... Then her back half could end up being a redemption arc. So I can definitely see it being either of these two. Both would be a crazy twist, but not one we couldn’t foresee, and both are in the perfect spot for a betrayal that could cause massive damage.

Yes, but it may not be a copy. That is Vasher’s opinion. There are others that believe otherwise.

It could definitely be. But I don’t think we know enough of her for it to be a big deal. It needs to have weight, which leaves Nale, Jezrian, Ishar, Kalak, Taln and Ash. Nale was eliminated, since he was still linked with the others. Taln is the strong line, so it’s isn’t him. Ishar is completely insane, so I doubt it’s him. Jezrian is dead. That leaves Kalak and Ash, either of which would be a very unexpected twist. And I think Kalak is more likely.

I think Mraize, or his boss, is aware that Thaidakar wouldn’t approve of attacking random kids. So Mraize was looking for an excuse that his boss would accept. “The Radiant attacked me” is a decent argument.

Just to note: More rarely you get diametrically opposed sexual and romantic attractions, like homosexual/heteromantic and vice versa. It’s not very common or, at least, doesn’t get brought up often, but does exist and is worth noting. People who are bisexual or pansexual can also be aromantic, or only prefer one sex romantically. The same is true for those who are panromantic, but have a specific sexual attraction or lack thereof.

I now have an odd idea. We know that objects in the Cognitive ‘know’ what they are. Is it possible that a planet ‘knows’ it’s own name? Like a fire knows it’s fire and a stick knows it’s a stick, Roshar knows it is Roshar and Scadrial knows it is Scadrial?

I actually thought Ishar was a traitor until this book. I now believe that he lacks the sanity to commit treason. Treason requires understanding of the act. Ishar is so far gone that he actually thinks he’s Honor. I don’t think he is cognizant enough to make the conscious, intentional choice to betray his oaths.

I need another syllable!

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Adding one more: This character is a king.

Kharbranth is neutral, actually. They aren’t joining either side. And threatening an innocent child, like T’s granddaughter, is highly dishonorable.

He’s already insanely overpowered terrifying, lol! Fullborn are crazy. No, I think their real plan is something they aren’t sharing with a provisional member. And the REAL real plan is only known by Thaidakar...

Yes, sorry. They both start with E and I typed the wrong one.

I don’t think he wants one. Power is just a way of keeping score. If he DID hold a Shard, he’d quickly get bored and drop it. Or pit himself in battles of wits against other Shards for the challenge. He lives for the con.

Except that this would be completely dishonorable. The Windrunners would either leave the coalition or end up breaking their Oaths. The Dustbringers would likely side with Kharbranth. The Edgedancers would be in the same place as the Windrunners. Oh, and the Stormfather would be dead due to Dalinar breaking his oaths. Only the Lightweavers and sole Edgedancer might be okay. Anyway, Dalinar is too honorable to do any of the above ideas.

I don’t know why Harmony can’t reach the last two Shards, but I think it’s rather interesting that Kelsier was seemingly aware of events on Roshar before Sazed. And Kell clearly couldn’t be bother to inform Saze. HOW is a Cognitive Shadow stuck on one planet better informed than the SHARD of said planet?! And why aren’t they talking?

I think the GBs were the ones that gave it to her.

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But why is one broken? 6 whole lines. 1 strong line (Taln). 1 broken line. That’s the eight lines. Jezrian’s line isn’t there at all. @Bopushaq I think the broken line is due to one of the Heralds having given themselves to Odium. In committing treason they broke the Oathpact in its entirety. And I think this is Kalak, if only because it’d be an awesome twist.

Kelsier would not approve of hurting kids. On the other hand, I doubt it would occur to him that such rules were necessary.

One: Brandon has said this. Two: WHY do people think neurological psychopaths are evil? A lot of them, even most, are law abiding individuals who are as good or evil as anyone else. Quite a few end up SURGEONS, ie. regularly saving lives. Psychopathy is a scale. Some have more empathy naturally and others have less. They’re born, not made. It’s a NEUROLOGICAL difference. Like autism or Down’s Syndrome. They can’t help what they are, only what they choose to be. No one is evil just for being born different. Kelsier is a neurological psychopath, not a clinical one. He was born the way he is. That doesn’t make him evil; that just means he’s not neurotypical. His brain is just wired in a manner that makes empathizing with individuals - or even recognizing them as people - outside his immediate circle difficult. And just to note: psychopath is NOT a clinical term. Clinically speaking Kelsier could have NPD. He does not have ASPD, which is what clinical psychopaths are usually diagnosed as. I don’t think Kell will be a villain in the Cosmere. I think he’ll remain chaotic neutral and good or evil will depend on perspective. Specifically, I think he’ll remain a Mistborn protagonist, but he may be an antagonist or neutral force on other worlds.

Or: we don’t hurt kids. Even magical kids. Unless they hurt us first, in which case they’re asking for it. But no permanent damage and DEFINITELY no killing.

Neither have I. I just know about that because I think Brandon mentioned it once?

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