Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[Mat he/him]

RIP Anaiya and Setagana. The Wheel of Time turns on...

Philico was confused. Where was he? This didn’t look like the Cosmere...

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Well, this should be fun! Any thoughts on the distribution?

[Archer he/him]

Brick’s meditation was interrupted by the sound of chewing. “Young Snail, you are grinding too much with your molars.”

The beefy man held up a hand. One of the two children seated in front of him looked up guiltily, mouth still full. “Smory, Brick.”

“Take smaller bites next time. Now,” he turned to the other child, who was fidgeting nervously, “how did your meal go, Stump?”

“I did it, Brick! I ate the whole horn. It only took me five thousand and eighty-two bites! And after, I washed it down with some of the cow’s own milk!”

“Mm.”

“Not before I was finished, I swear. Snail watched me do it!”

“Young snail. It was a small creature. Tell me, Yarn, how did it taste?”

The child gulped, legs bouncing as they tried to think. “Um. Leathery?”

“That is a consistency, not a taste.”

“Right. Right! It was bitter.”

Brick paused. In the distance, the sounds of an argument breaking out could be heard. Something about Anaiya. 

“I accept your research. You have earned the nickname Horn.” He nodded to them both and got to his feet. “I must now depart. Dismissed.”

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I have intentionally written my rules speculation before looking at my GM PM, so this should be devoid of any clues to my role or alignment. (Or am I bluffing? :P)

This is a 19-player game, so I’m guessing there are four to five elims. If the village has the Green Ajah, then there’s likely five, to compensate for the expanded kill power. Also to compensate, the elims might have some of their team protected by Warders, or the Yellow Ajah. The GM emphasized that roles are NAI, so I find it likely that at least one Ajah is an elim, and probably at least one Warder is an elim too, just to keep things evenly distributed. Watch for people thinking their Warder will protect them, then getting blindsided when they don’t.

Red, Brown, Blue, and White Ajah are various form of scanners, so I’d guess at least one of them is an elim. Blue is a more village-helpful one, while Red and Brown are the most useful for the elim team.

Yellow could go either way, so we’ll have to watch who they protect from elimination. Same with Grey. The catch on both is if you’re an elim using them and have a village Warder, you have to make excuses to avoid being caught protecting someone obviously elimy, or moving votes in a suspicious manner.

I don’t want to assume that each role only appears once, but there’s probably some vanilla players in the group somewhere.

This should be a fun game. Best of luck, everyone!

StikerEZ

[Shard of Reading he/him]

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Any thoughts on the distribution?

So, I always do this, but I'm going to say that we have 4 elims. There are 19 players, and 1/5th of 19 is 3.8, and a quarter of 19 is 4.75. It's possible there could be 5 if the village has a character with a kill, but I'm guessing we don't won't have 5 elims.

Edit: Ninja'd by Archer.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Shard of Reading

[Liranil she/her]

I prefer to overestimate the number of elims, so I'll probably assume 5 for now. I need to reread the roles because there are quite a few to keep track of. 

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Well, this should be fun! Any thoughts on the distribution?

Well, as always I assume the elims will have a vote-manip--I have yet to see a game where they didn't. So that's Gray Ajah, right? 

I also assume that there will only be one Green Ajah, and that they'll be village--so if any Brown Ajahs scan a Green, they're... probably clear? Though idk, maybe TJ would mess with us by putting a Green on the elim-team and just giving us a bunch of Yellows XD. As speculation, given that Green is quite powerful in having a kill each cycle I want to put in my own personal guess that they'll have two Warders, and one will be elim. 

Beyond that, I suppose Archer and Reading have it covered in terms of the scanning roles, the protect roles, and the number of elims. I'll slightly disagree with Reading on the number of elims--last game of this size that I played had five (one of them me) and that... did not go well, partly because the village assumed there were four of us. Five seems somewhat unlikely at first glance given the number of people, but TJ might have decided to put five elims on the team with the idea that the Green Ajah's once-per-cycle kill and perhaps a couple of village protects would balanced it?

Finally, I will say that due to college applications and AP classes, both of which suck, I will probably not be as active in this game as in, say, LG72 XD so please don't vote me off for not saying something every three posts

[James Brafin he/him]

I'm also leaning towards 4, from past experience off-site.
It looks like the Elims might have two kills maybe? Either that or our Greens mis-shot pretty hard (or I'm misreading the rules and a Warder dies if the dude they are protecting dies too).

I need to go eat here and head to my scholarship job, but I'll try and keep an eye on this.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, James Brafin said:

It looks like the Elims might have two kills maybe? Either that or our Greens mis-shot pretty hard (or I'm misreading the rules and a Warder dies if the dude they are protecting dies too).

Oh! lol that write-up is just creative license on TJ's part; neither of those people are actual players.

[James Brafin he/him]

1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said:

Oh! lol that write-up is just creative license on TJ's part; neither of those people are actual players.

Oh, nevermind me then, I've done a stupid.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I'm also leaning towards 4, from past experience off-site.
It looks like the Elims might have two kills maybe? Either that or our Greens mis-shot pretty hard (or I'm misreading the rules and a Warder dies if the dude they are protecting dies too).

I need to go eat here and head to my scholarship job, but I'll try and keep an eye on this.

Those were NPCs, purely flavor, I checked.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, James Brafin said:

Oh, nevermind me then, I've done a stupid.

Nah, it's fine. It's your first game, right? 

[James Brafin he/him]

Yes, my first game onsite. Not used to the RP and flavor and so on :/

[+Lotus she/her]

Hey just a FYI I have a lot of stuff going on a school right now so I probably won't be super active as well.

Ilyanna walked through the camp among the soldiers. There was a lot one could learn from the non-Aes Sedai part of camp. If there was anywhere they could learn rumors, it would be here.

[Mat he/him]

I agree with Quinn’s thoughts of a single village Green Ajah, but also that there’s always room for paranoia. If said Green Ajah is bonded to two Warders I wouldn’t be surprised if one was evil, though that really is just a bunch of tinfoil.

I’ll be assuming five elims because Green/better to assume more. Welcome to the new players!  

(Also, I’ll likely be on mobile for a large chunk of this game, unfortunately... should be fine though.)

[Illwei]

RIP Setagana and Anaiya. Was so looking forward to playing with them this game :'(

Condensation

Now I guess it's time to ask the incredibly incriminating questions that I would have made sure not to ask just in case I was an Elim, right?
*checks role PM*
Uh- I mean...or the other questions I have will do. 

@TJ Shade

 - Warder/Ajah Pairings can be V/E, correct? complete RNG?
 - Are half the players assigned Warder and Half assigned Ajah, or is it rolled randomly for each?
 - Are all roles not guaranteed to be included?
 - Can Warders Protect only their bonded Ajah? or only the Aes Sedai that they're in service to? or any person?

Okay turns out I have only one question. sad. (edit: after going through I have more than one question hehe)

Quick Recap of the roles for me, before I try to start thinking:

Red: Warder finder (:(. Kinda sad role. seems more useful to Elims.)
Green: Vig! (Okay. Excite. Death Death. Lots of Death. Would only expect one of these at most.)
Grey: ...Soother? (I can't- Removes a vote? or...changes a null? eh. I'm not one I don't needa think about that, amirite?)
Brown: Role Scanner. (Assume this says if warder or not too?? So, kinda like a red but just. more. powerful?)
Yellow: Heal. (Pretty standard. no targeting same person, so more of an elim de-buff on that side it seems.)
Blue: Watcher/Target Scan. (Or, well, reverse target scan. but watcher)
White: Bond Scan. (honestly don't see how this could be that useful, but uh...I guess seeing who people have PMs with is nice.)

Warder: Okay okay this one. So you have a bpv, and then...you can bodyguard your (just your bonded?) bonded Ajah every other turn.? [Waiting for clarification from GM (sorry if I missed it in the signups thead) with one of the questions I have, so uh gimme a minute on this]

SO!!!:

 - Red is basically a less useful Brown.
 - I'm expecting three kills a cycle
 - Warders probably count for...more than one person? on an Elim team? maybe like, 1.5. they can bodyguard so that's interesting, and seemingly more useful to the Elims, but only if they're bonded to an Elim. Otherwise they will probably just ignore and OKAY THERE HAS BEEN 10 NEW POSTS WHILE IM WRITING THIS GUYS CHILL OUT

Oh look, Mat Posted!
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3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Any thoughts on the distribution?

Huh. what do we have, whoa. 19 players? Assuming...
yeah, Imma let someone else start on this. With all these roles I'm just gonna sheep someone until I can think clearly

Oh hey! Archer posted! (I swear what do you guys do, write up the posts in advance???)
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I always like reading Archer's RP. Nice getting people from the actual RP side of the RP forums, huh. :P.

5 minutes ago, Archer said:

I have intentionally written my rules speculation before looking at my GM PM, so this should be devoid of any clues to my role or alignment. (Or am I bluffing? :P)

Oh huh, guess that answers my previous question... :P.

6 minutes ago, Archer said:

This is a 19-player game, so I’m guessing there are four to five elims. If the village has the Green Ajah, then there’s likely five, to compensate for the expanded kill power.

Here you don't really calculate for the Warders- not that I wanna. Also *narrows eyes* not sure if I should trust your math.... /s :P.

I'm expecting there to be one village green Ajah. I don't think that would be given to the Elims, unless TJ decided to do something Spicy and give the Elims like 3 members. O.o.
I...very much doubt this though. (is spec doc laughing? O.o)

15 minutes ago, Liranil said:

I prefer to overestimate the number of elims, so I'll probably assume 5 for now. I need to reread the roles because there are quite a few to keep track of. 

Yeah yeah yeah I agree very much so. Me overestimating the Elims will make it so village will trust me more, right? an Elim would wanna underestimate so I'm practically locktown at this point.

In QF48 there were 18 people and 5 Elims. so 5 for this game isn't unreasonable, especially if there's a warder there.

12 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

Finally, I will say that due to college applications and AP classes, both of which suck, I will probably not be as active in this game as in, say, LG72 XD so please don't vote me off for not saying something every three posts

I change my mind. this is incredibly suspicious. Condensation, Qwinn

13 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I'm also leaning towards 4, from past experience off-site.

In my experience QF tend to be more Elim-sided, (://///) so I think that 5 is a better number, especially seeing as they're probably going to have at least one Warder, and village is going to have some other Kill Power besides the main Elimination. if there is no Green Ajah then I'll lean more towards 4 Elims. I'd think 3/1 or 3/2 Ajah to Warders on the Elim team depending on the power they have. And if they have a Yellow Ajah then...huh. I don't know. I don't think I'd think they'd be down to 4 Elims then. Maybe so. Maybe 4 Elims makes more sense with the potential Warders.

But I'm still going to run about assuming 5 until something or someone makes me stop doing that ig? :P.

14 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I agree with Quinn’s thoughts of a single village Green Ajah, but also that there’s always room for paranoia. If said Green Ajah is bonded to two Warders I wouldn’t be surprised if one was evil, though that really is just a bunch of tinfoil.

I mean, it's all RNG, so that's not reaaaally tinfoil yet? but it's not...I would say it's not really worth thinking about at all yet. I mean, mayyyybe? in the very very back of your mind if you wanted to let it sit, Maybe offer a sacrifice to the gods of Luck and Chance if you're feeling that, but- eh.
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Yall really went and posted 13 posts while I was trying to write a little tiny post, smh.

Qwinn, Condensation

[dannnex male]

Greetings all, I exist. 
Let’s do some role analysis shall we?

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• Red Ajah: You loathe men with the ability to channel and dedicate your existence to finding out and dealing with such men. As such, you’ve become so adept in your trade that you can even root out men bonded to channelers. You can use saidar and find if your target is a Warder or not.

This is a kinda weird role, it’s basically the same as the Brown Ajah but a lot worse. You only get to know if the target is a single specific role or not. Whereas the BA can just learn their role completely. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.

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• Green Ajah: Also known as the Battle Ajah, you’re always ready to face your enemies. You are extremely proficient in battle strategies and exceptionally brave at all times. You can use saidar and kill one player per turn. 

This is the most powerful kill role I’ve seen, so I am very sure that we only have one of them, and that they’re village. You should find someone you trust and claim, since this role is almost definitely confirmed village. If we can get a pair of people that are both 100% sure that the other is safe, that’s a powerful asset for the village. Really, having even a single person confirmed village is an asset. Ideally the GA would prove that they are the GA via a BA scan, and then we get 2 YAs to stagger protect them. That’s obviously not going to happen, there wouldn’t be a way to set it up without the BLA learning a ton of stuff they shouldn’t. 

My only other thought is: please don’t be trigger happy. A kill a cycle is a lot, use it carefully. 

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• Grey Ajah: You are a brilliant negotiator, and dedicated to politics and diplomacy. You thrive in conflict resolution, and your diplomatic skills are second to none. You can use your skills and cancel one vote (or change one null vote) per turn.

Pretty basic vote manip, I’d guess we have 2 in the game, with one being a BLA. It’s interesting as it’s kinda 2 vote manip roles in one, vote removing and extra voting. I encourage everyone to vote every cycle so that the BA GA doesn’t get an extra vote. Even if it means jumping on a train. We should avoid ties, so if you haven’t voted yet and don’t know who to vote, vote for whoever has the most.

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• Brown Ajah: Why do you care for the mundane world? The only thing important in your life is the preservation of knowledge and collection of ancient texts. You can use this knowledge to find the role of one player per turn. 

Role scanner, seems like a direct upgrade of a RA. Because it seems like an exact upgrade, It seems logical that there are more RAs than BAs. And given the number of roles and the number of players, I’d guess we only have one of these. I think the BA should try and find the GA and....the....GA. Ah shoot, my acronym system breaks down here. Grey and Green. They share the same first three letters. sighhhh. Ok, let’s just say that GA is green, and GRA is grey. Anyway, the BA should try and find the GA and the GRA, GA because they’re confirmed village, and GRA because they might be Elim. 

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• Yellow Ajah: You are the Healing Ajah. You’re passionate about finding broken things and fixing them. Once per turn, you can use your weaves to heal a player of your choice. You cannot protect a player from elimination. You cannot target the same player in consecutive cycles.

Basic healer role, not much to say. Try and find another YA so we can stagger protect someone if we need to.

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• Blue Ajah: You are extremely selfless and devote your life to noble causes. You highly value justice and righteousness. You can follow someone you suspect to be unjust and possibly catch them in the act. Once per turn, you can target a player and watch to find out who targets them. If your target is targeted by more than one player, you learn the identity of one such player at random.

Oh c’mon, now we have Brown Black and Blue. The acronym system is just dead. I guess we could do BRA BLA and BA, respectively? No, this is just dumb. Anyways, I’m never sure how to use roles like this. You can see whoever visits your target. I don’t really see any specific strategies, just make good guesses I guess. 

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• White Ajah: You possess astute logical and reasoning ability. With this ability, it’s only obvious that you can figure out the player bonded to your target. This action fails if your target’s partner is dead or if your target is not bonded. 

Not sure how this role is useful either. Bonded pairs aren’t necessarily the same faction, so this doesn’t tell us a lot. Seems pretty situational.

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Warder: You are loyal to a fault and extremely protective of your Aes Sedai. You can block attacks on your Aes Sedai once every two turns. You also possess a passive immunity against the first attack on you. After the first successful block, you’re unable to protect your Aes Sedai without taking a hit. You lose a life (or die, if you’ve already lost one) if you protect your Aes Sedai successfully for more than once. Your passive immunity protects you from eliminations as well.

So if somebody survives a hanging, they’re definitely a Warder. No other role can survive a hang. That’s somewhat useful. Maybe.

[Shard of Reading he/him]

@Dannex I'm sorry but literally all your strategy falls apart when you realize that there are only PM's between A warder and their aes sedia.

[Illwei]

Just now, Dannex said:

So if somebody survives a hanging, they’re definitely a Warder. No other role can survive a hang. That’s somewhat useful. Maybe.

inb4 Red Ajahs become more useless because we can just execute the Warders to see if they're warders B).

2 minutes ago, Dannex said:

My only other thought is: please don’t be trigger happy. A kill a cycle is a lot, use it carefully. 

My counter thought: please be trigger happy! (as long as ur not gears who always thinks I'm an Elim >:(...). Much more fun to watch for the dead peeps (see: people sad mistborn not attacking in LG....something recent :((( ) aaaand...a second point, that I forgot.

Aha! right! My ingenious plan!

Okay. so. if you are the Green Ajah and have read through my first post, then you know that you can 100% trust me. since you can 100% trust me you can let me know that you're the Green Ajah, and we can work together! Since it's basically a Mech cleared town role because of my amazing analysis here that is 100% truthful! poggers.

8 minutes ago, Dannex said:

Not sure how this role is useful either. Bonded pairs aren’t necessarily the same faction, so this doesn’t tell us a lot. Seems pretty situational.

Knowing who people are PMing is good. Ajah's can have multiple Warders. @TJ Shade are they then in a chat all together, or two individual chats?

If someone's Warder dies then they could try and pretend that they are PMing or whatnot. IMO, not a great plan, but who here has really great plans. if this happens it'll probably be a last minute "oh no we're in trouble but wait your ajah died so this is pretty poggers since we can pretend we're in a chat together and no one can counter it" or something.

Idk, there's probably something there. I'll discuss with the Elim team and get back to you on that later.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Shard of Reading said:

@Dannex I'm sorry but literally all your strategy falls apart when you realize that there are only PM's between A warder and their aes sedia.

*feels really stupid that I didn't realize this when I was reading the post*

@Illwei why do you keep spelling my name with a 'w'?

[Condensation she/her]

Note to self: never join another QF. Because they move far too fast.

All right. Despite Illwei's vote on me, I'm gut reading them as trustworthy. So... yay.

I need to reread the rules! Ha ha!

So immediate vote(because that's how we do it here) is Burnt Spaghetti with no reasoning whatsoever. Just like all of the other votes. *sigh*

[Mat he/him]

Hmm I change my thoughts: 

I’m assuming four elims now because I think they have a Warder. I forgot about their passive protect.

I was thinking... the Green’s Warder is hopefully good because elims are gonna want to kill them. Well, maybe. I mean the elims also might want to leave the Green alive cause village killing villagers is helpful for them and how often does someone not Alvron really hit elims with a kill role?

The lack of outside PMs makes secret Green claiming not possible.

2 minutes ago, Condensation said:

Note to self: never join another QF. Because they move far too fast.

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

And so the pocketing begins

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

@Illwei why do you keep spelling my name with a 'w'?

I hear kwinn i spell kwinn u gots a problem with that huh? :D.

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that's really the only comment you have on my post? ;-;

Condensation, Kwinn

2 minutes ago, Condensation said:

So immediate vote(because that's how we do it here) is Burnt Spaghetti with no reasoning whatsoever. Just like all of the other votes. *sigh*

As opposed to doing it elsewhere? :thinking:

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

that's really the only comment you have on my post? ;-;

Condensation, Kwinn

No but I'm also busy rn so short posts only : P. 

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

And so the pocketing begins

I’d be annoyed this won’t ever be dropped except it’s hilarious so nah. Also what was that about not posting every two minutes

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Condensation, Kwinn

You’re just killing my vote count in my notes... I’ve changed it like five times...

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Also what was that about not posting every two minutes

It's called procrastination : P