Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[Illwei]

8 minutes ago, Dannex said:

Well, then we do Illwei, to see if you’re lying or not. Either you’re lying and an Elim, or a Vanilla, and therefore expendable. Mishanging a Vanilla is the best possible mishang, so it’s basically a win-win.

And then next cycle? what happens?

What happens if I'm Village and was trying to claim vanilla to mislead the Elims? What Happens if I was the Green Ajah? What Happens if I was the Yellow Ajah?

Yes, I could be lying, It's not black and white Lie=Elim and Truth=Expendable village. I don't think in any game, Vanillas should just be seen as "expendable Village", as that's rarely ever the truth.

And Danex, do I remember you being against D1 Eliminations before? or am I remembering wrong?

EDIT:

6 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

You're ignoring the very obvious third case in which she's village and is just being her usual chaotic neutral self XD

I have reformed. See my title? :D.

6 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

caught on cams,

Kwinn do be playing a bit too much mongoose rn huh :P.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Illwei
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[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

Yes, I could be lying, It's not black and white Lie=Elim and Truth=Expendable village. I don't think in any game, Vanillas should just be seen as "expendable Village", as that's rarely ever the truth.

This I can agree with : P vanilla!me (both elim and village) has had a disproportionate effect on a couple games. Also, even when I have a role most of the effect I have on a given game has little to do with my role and more to do with what I say in thread and in PMs (though obviously this time I don't really have PMs sighhhh)

[Mat he/him]

Dannex-

Thats like a... really bad idea :P. This should go without saying but we really should exe based on our suspicions and not what hypothetical-Illwei’s-likely-trolling-anyway situations could happen. I almost want to vote you for saying that...

Maybe I will. It’s C1! Dannex

Edited January 14, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[dannnex male]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

And then next cycle? what happens?

We continue playing the game, either with an Elim down, or the knowledge that Vanillas are in the game. 

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

What happens if I'm Village and was trying to claim vanilla to mislead the Elims? What Happens if I was the Green Ajah? What Happens if I was the Yellow Ajah?

I don’t see why a vil would do this tbh, seems like it would mislead the village just as much as the Elims. 

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

And Danex, do I remember you being against D1 Eliminations before? or am I remembering wrong?

I’m not against them, I just usually abstain from voting myself. But in this scenario it seems like we get some valuable info either way you flip. 

[Illwei]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

hypothetical-Illwei’s-likely-trolling-anyway situations could happen

Whoa whoa whoa whatever do you mean?

[dannnex male]

3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

This should go without saying but we really should exe based on our suspicions and not what hypothetical-Illwei’s-likely-trolling-anyway situations could happen.

I’m not going to not vote someone because “oh they’re probably just trolling, like they do”

that would be like “oh, gears claimed Elim, he’s probably not Elim then.” 

the possibility of trolling is NAI.

[Shard of Reading he/him]

Personally I'm against killing Illwei. Their posts are making me laugh, and (as I remember) They seem to die early. And while they have been chaotic, they seem to be actually contributing.

Danex on the other hand... This is completely a gut read and I have little to no reasoning to back it up. It basically comes down to, It's an hour into C1 and Dannex is pushing really hard to kill someone when we only have minimal information to argue either way. I'm not super certain about this, and it is quite likely going to change, but I just want to say that I really don't like the we they want Illwei dead.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Shard of Reading
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[+Lotus she/her]

I’m also not really liking how... aggressive? Is that the right word? Danex is being. 

[dannnex male]

2 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

pushing really hard

.....no?

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Dannex said:

I’m not going to not vote someone because “oh they’re probably just trolling, like they do”

that would be like “oh, gears claimed Elim, he’s probably not Elim then.” 

the possibility of trolling is NAI.

The trolling thing was an afterthought. I'm saying that exeing based off suspicions is better than for role information. Which should go without saying. The afterthought, though, means Illwei saying they're vanilla doesn't mean they're vanilla. Or has a role. Meaning you'd be equally benefited RNGing the exe.

[Quintessential she/her]

2 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Danex on the other hand... This is completely a gut read and I have little to no reasoning to back it up. It basically comes down to, It's an hour into C1 and Dannex is pushing really hard to kill someone when we only have minimal information to argue either way. I'm not super certain about this, and it is quite likely going to change, but I just want to say that I really don't like the we they want Illwei dead.

I mean... this is what D1/C1 exes are always like lol someone votes on someone with little to no reasoning and someone joins with even less reasoning and so forth. If it weren't for what happened D1 of the LG I'd have totally lost hope in the C1 exe ever catching an elim XD

Though I would point out that Illwei has been an excellent misexe target in past games, so I suppose this could be elim!Dannex trying to start one of those. 

[Condensation she/her]

I wouldn't mind a Dannex lynch. You're off the hook, Burnt Spaghetti.

[dannnex male]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I'm saying that exeing based off suspicions is better than for role information.

This is debatable, especially on D1 when there’s not really enough info to have proper suspicions.

This push on me is increasingly suspicious though, all I did was essentially poke vote Illwei, after they asked me what the continuation of my plan was. 

[Shard of Reading he/him]

5 minutes ago, Dannex said:

.....no?

That's how I interpreted what you're trying to do.

[dannnex male]

Just now, Shard of Reading said:

That's how I interpreted what you're trying to do.

Have I asked anyone else to vote illwei? Have I expressed that I’m absolutely against voting anyone else? Have I done anything that even remotely seems like a ‘push’?

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

I mean... this is what D1/C1 exes are always like lol someone votes on someone with little to no reasoning and someone joins with even less reasoning and so forth. If it weren't for what happened D1 of the LG I'd have totally lost hope in the C1 exe ever catching an elim XD

Also, to add, the whole 'pushing really hard to kill someone' thing makes me say Can we please not talk about D1 exeing or not again?

1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said:

Though I would point out that Illwei has been an excellent misexe target in past games, so I suppose this could be elim!Dannex trying to start one of those. 

Eh, that's a bit specific imo.

Just now, Condensation said:

I wouldn't mind a Dannex lynch. You're off the hook, Burnt Spaghetti.

STOP JUMPING ON MY TRAINSSSSSSS 

I don't like it when this happens. It bugs me. Agh. 

I vote on someone, fifteen people follow it in the first five seconds. Every. Single. Time. Makes me paranoid. And I know I obviously like the vote I cast- but when everyone is just like 'oh yeah smart' it makes me paranoid I inadvertently started a misexe the elims look at with wide eyes. Reading is fine. Connie I already gut disliked and this doesn't help.

Ok, mini-rant over. Don't retract immediately, either of you, lest you make me more paranoid.

1 minute ago, Dannex said:

This is debatable, especially on D1 when there’s not really enough info to have proper suspicions.

This push on me is increasingly suspicious though, all I did was essentially poke vote Illwei, after they asked me what the continuation of my plan was. 

I suppose there's some level of debate.

Seconded, did you not read my rant? xD Though I would not call your vote a poke.

[Illwei]

15 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I’m not against them, I just usually abstain from voting myself. But in this scenario it seems like we get some valuable info either way you flip. 

Alas ;-; All you'd get from my flip is a Heartbroken Warden ;-;. (...and a 50 page long spec doc. so choose wisely O.o)

I don't really think Danex is all that- (wait. there's a second 'n' in their name now????)
I don't really think this is Elimm-y for him. I mean ofc ofc you have your opinions but it really just seems NAI to me.

Danex always says something controversial, and pushes that. If anything? I'd give him a small village read for that. I would think that (..theoretically. In a perfect village world? :P) Elims would more rather hop along for the ride rather than...row the boat. or. I'm sure there's a saying there somewhere but I should really stop trying to say things because it's just not working out. :/.

I also don't see Danex being "pushy" at all @Shard of Reading and I find it a bit opportunistic of you to hop on him like that. :/ . I don't even know if he plans to stay on me, but I asked him what he would do If I claimed village, and he said he's kill me. other than that I've seen him answer the followups.

oh god 5 more posts? chill guys please *clicks "show replies" * Oh okay nothing terribly long.

So far:

 - Danex said that if there was a vanilla, they should claim (Based opinion)

 - Mat, Illwei, and Quinn disagreed.

 - Illwei asked Danex what he would do if she claimed Vanilla, Proceeded to claim Vanilla.

 - Danex said he would vote on Illwei, Danex votes on Illwei.

 - Mat votes on Danex for voting on Illwei

 - Danex and Illwei discuss why Illwei thinks its wrong to vote someone for claiming vanilla

 - Reading votes Danex for jumping on Illwei

 - Lotus Shades Danex

 - Quinn Shades Danex

 - Connie Votes on Danex. (connie, the hater of D1 Eliminations. Not once have I seen her just straight up vote.)

EDIT:

Conclusion? Connie's looking the most suspicious to me. Connie and reading.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Illwei

[Mat he/him]

In interest of my paranoia, even more conversation, and this:

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Danex always says something controversial, and pushes that. If anything? I'd give him a small village read for that. I would think that (..theoretically. In a perfect village world? :P) Elims would more rather hop along for the ride rather than...row the boat. or. I'm sure there's a saying there somewhere but I should really stop trying to say things because it's just not working out. :/.

Dannex, Condensation

[dannnex male]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Alas ;-; All you'd get from my flip is a Heartbroken Warden ;-;. (...and a 50 page long spec doc. so choose wisely O.o)

What’s a warden? Do you mean warder? Are you reversing your village claim? Warders can survive the hanging actually, so you would be completely fine. 

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

(Based opinion)

What does based mean

Connie and Reading are my top Elim reads, and if Illwei confirms that they’re redacting their vanilla claim I’m switching to one of them.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Dannex
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[Condensation she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

 - Connie Votes on Danex. (connie, the hater of D1 Eliminations. Not once have I seen her just straight up vote.)

I already voted on Burnt Spaghetti. I still dislike D1 Exes, but I got suspicion last time for avoiding voting. So... not doing that.

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

STOP JUMPING ON MY TRAINSSSSSSS 

I don't like it when this happens. It bugs me. Agh. 

I vote on someone, fifteen people follow it in the first five seconds. Every. Single. Time. Makes me paranoid. And I know I obviously like the vote I cast- but when everyone is just like 'oh yeah smart' it makes me paranoid I inadvertently started a misexe the elims look at with wide eyes. Reading is fine. Connie I already gut disliked and this doesn't help.

Ok, mini-rant over. Don't retract immediately, either of you, lest you make me more paranoid.

I'm not retracting it. The Dannex vote makes sense to me.

Also, while I'd dislike being able to do stuff, I wouldn't mind being the first one in the dead doc. It'd be a new experience.

[Shard of Reading he/him]

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I also don't see Danex being "pushy" at all @Shard of Reading and I find it a bit opportunistic of you to hop on him like that. :/

For the first point, what I was trying to say was, "Dannex seems to be really commited to a vote when we are only an hour into the game." In retrospect, Pushy wasn't really the right word. And about it being opportunistic, I was ninja'd by Matrim while typing that post.

[Illwei]

3 minutes ago, Condensation said:

but I got suspicion last time for avoiding voting

Right, yes, that's the whole-

this is your...5th? game? 4th? I'm not keeping track, but you have chosen to take an Anti-D1 vote stance in all of those games, even though people have sussed you for it almost every time. :P.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Illwei
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[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

Right, yes, that's the whole-

this is your...5th? game? 4th? I'm not keeping track, but you have chosen to take an Anti-D1 vote stance in all of those games.

Honestly, I'm gonna side with Connie on this one; I can't fault anyone for changing their playstyle in their first four or five games, especially if it's in response to being exed early on for a specific aspect of the way they played before. Pretty sure Connie's voting early on is relatively NAI : P

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

For the first point, what I was trying to say was, "Dannex seems to be really commited to a vote when we are only an hour into the game." In retrospect, Pushy wasn't really the right word. And about it being opportunistic, I was ninja'd by Matrim while typing that post.

*cough* Can we please not talk about D1 voting again *cough*

 

Edit: Just so we're clear, I'm not voting Connie because she voted and that's a change of playstyle (though... that very well could be the case :P) I'm voting Connie because of where the vote itself landed. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Condensation she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

Right, yes, that's the whole-

this is your...5th? game? 4th? I'm not keeping track, but you have chosen to take an Anti-D1 vote stance in all of those games, even though people have sussed you for it almost every time. :P.

Sixth.

I'm doing this Introspective class right now. So I've gotten a lot better at considering my motivations and what I think is right and wrong. I've also found a lot of peace in meditation, so I don't think I'll be second-guessing myself nearly as much.