Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, James Brafin said:

Quinn might have setup knowledge? Unsure, definitely second-guessing that but throwing it out there

Meaning I know something about distribution because I'm an elim? What makes you say that? I know you're already going to answer this question with that wall-post but I wanted to ask it anyway 

[Gears]

Roko the Basilisk got up from its perch at the harbor and quickly followed Kanaira to the Tower. It seemed that she did not care about siege mechanics enough to pay attention to its rants. Alas, she was simply too focused on justice and her “path of righteousness” to worry about the proper way to win a war of attrition. That was what it was for, after all. Protecting Kanaira from all the dangers she brushed by in her efforts to do right. 

It marched into the Hall behind Kanaira, placing several trinkets by the door. In the worst case scenario, it could detonate them and flee with Kanaira in the chaos. As she made her grand entrance, Roko glanced at the crowd. Lots of chatty people, a few foreigners, some who seemed to be asleep. Some of them were killers. Well, most of them were killers, in one way or another. Some of them had broken the Three Oaths and could directly cause the cessation of life. 

Kanaira was reckless, as always, but Roko supported her, as always. As her Warder, its duty was not to stop her, but to protect her from the dangers she brought upon herself. This path they walked upon was treacherous, but it would protect her. Always.

[Guest Breaker]

A woman clad in a grey dress, slashed with blue, enters the Hall. Her hair sits about her head in soft ringlets of auburn, almost perfectly mussed, as though placed there purposefully imperfectly moments ago. 

"Apologies for my late arrival; but, I suppose, so long as I arrive before our young Amyrlin, I'm here well enough on time. In any case, I was speaking with my Warder. Roko has been watching the harbor, and insists that the city will remain well supplied enough to trivialize a siege, unless we intervene. He had to be reminded that we are presently under siege, and cannot spare the effort to oppose Elaida. I see you've all gotten on well enough without me, so, do not mind me; I, Kanaira Isahn of the Blue Ajah, will be watching."

[James Brafin he/him]

Part A of the megapost: Dannex

7 hours ago, Dannex said:

Greetings all, I exist. 
Let’s do some role analysis shall we?...

 

This is the first thing that pinged me, and I realize that it's the first post of theirs. I'm cutting out most of it because you can go back and find it pretty easy (page 1 walls, amirite). The main thing here is that this post is super high-effort. A lot of thought ostensibly went into this. And yet... it tells us nothing. It's completely irrelevant to the game as we don't have any widespread PMs, it's mostly just discussion of the roles and not thoughts on their function, and we've already hashed this out at least once (see the post before this). It reads to me like a very high-effort, low-value post, a post that 's supposed to looks solvey and towney but doesn't really accomplish anything. That pings me in all the wrong places. I don't like. But that's pretty NAI, right? Yeah.

 

7 hours ago, Shard of Reading said:

@Dannex I'm sorry but literally all your strategy falls apart when you realize that there are only PM's between A warder and their aes sedia.

 

This is a strong point -- I don't know why you would automatically assume that there are PMs, especially since (I'm pretty sure) it's clear in the signups that there aren't. This is why I think there might be a PM slip here -- it feels to me like Dannex might be assuming that we have something (an exterior communication device) that we don't but they do. But again, that's just NAI; this is here mainly becuase I find it circumstantial.

 

6 hours ago, Dannex said:

If anyone is Vanilla you should come out and claim. You’re vanilla, so to be brutally honest, you’re expendable. So revealing yourself isn’t that bad. And then we know to include possible Vanilla roles in our analysis. 

 

This is what gets me really invested here -- this is blatant powerhunting, and it's really bad. As others go on to point out, Vanilla should never do this as it just feeds info to Elim without telling anything useful to Town.
As a side note, I will add that we should 100% be assuming there is some vanilla. Otherwise the town has 14-15 power roles, which is a lot a lot. You can't convince me that somewhere in here there are Nilla Wafer Town.

 

6 hours ago, Dannex said:

We only need one person to claim, letting the Elims cross a single person off in exchange for our knowing that vanilla roles are in the game is worth it imo.

 

A bad defense for a bad argument -- Yes, there is benefit to being willing to allow yourself to die for Town but we learn nothing from it at all.

 

6 hours ago, Dannex said:

This is debatable, especially on D1 when there’s not really enough info to have proper suspicions.

This push on me is increasingly suspicious though, all I did was essentially poke vote Illwei, after they asked me what the continuation of my plan was. 

 

This is where we start hitting defensive/reflective/aggressive I think. The italics, the shade without voting (lets be real, there's a prime vote here and it's Conden, but more on that later)

 

6 hours ago, Dannex said:

Have I asked anyone else to vote illwei? Have I expressed that I’m absolutely against voting anyone else? Have I done anything that even remotely seems like a ‘push’?

 

This is super deflective and aggressive. Spinning a pointed question back into the asker is really not good stuff, and doesn't help the case here, especially with how comparitavely gentle Shard's ask was.

 

6 hours ago, Dannex said:

What’s a warden? Do you mean warder? Are you reversing your village claim? Warders can survive the hanging actually, so you would be completely fine. 

What does based mean

Connie and Reading are my top Elim reads, and if Illwei confirms that they’re redacting their vanilla claim I’m switching to one of them.

 

5 hours ago, Dannex said:

Illwei.

I’m most suspicious of Reading and Connie, but they have given reasons for their votes that make a fair amount of sense. I guess I’m back to D1 abstaining unless something comes up.  

 

HEY NO

Conden did NOT do this; the two posts in between these are meta/fluff (which I will go into in more detail in part 2). This is a blatant backtrack and trying to end a bus (again, more in a moment)

 

2 hours ago, Dannex said:

I know this is a joke, but I absolutely wouldn’t put it past Elim!Quinn to legitimately say this...

You did have me put my reads as 100% accurate last game when we were Elims together. Seems very similar....

 

I get that this, too, is somewhat jokey, but it's also a really aggressive shade that comes out of nowhere.

 

22 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I have absolutely no idea how anything I’ve done counts as ‘aggressive’, I’m not pushing for anything! I don’t even have a vote right now. 

I have no PMs. Make of that what you will. 

This reads as both aggressive and dismissive in the same breath. "I'm not pushing for anything, that's ridiculous, besides I'm not even voting and have no PMs so what you're saying is false."

Please note I have left posts #47 and #55 out of this wall, as I need to parse them together and am not ready to deal with that (need to rise and take a break after this set of posts). Suffice it to say they ping me pretty hard and I'm not 100% sure what to make of them yet.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Faleast was very uncomfortable.

For one thing, this was another of those outside-the-cosmere places that needed quite a roundabout journey to get to. Randland, it was called - somewhat. That seemed a bit like if Harmony took to calling Scadrial "Elendland" instead of just renaming the main city Elendel. But it had its own powerful magic, the One Power, and AraRaash wanted to investigate seeing as getting out of Nowhere would need a similar journey anyway.

For another thing, he was wearing a dress.

She, whispered AraRaash's voice.

"Shut up," Faleast whispered.

Apparently the magic here - saidar and saidin - could only be used by males and females, respectively. Faleast had agreed that they should pretend to be a channeller the entire time while they worked on finding the secret for the ability. And then AraRaash revealed that the male power didn't work right. Something about brutally murdering the user.

So... now Faleast was a woman.

"Aren't you a male kandra anyway? So this exercise is entirely pointless?" Faleast whispered again. His - her - gahhhhhhh - voice was familiar, but much higher than usual. "We'd still get saidin."

That's not the part I'm really worried about. People use saidin where we're going, and I think it's fixable, AraRaash's voice sounded. The Evil One's touch doesn't reach outside of Randland... I think. Odium's doesn't.

Besides, kandra are gender-neutral. So technically I'm a they, biologically speaking. I just go by he because people seem to think stabbing people is a masculine art... but it's also one handed, so, what's up with -

"I thought Rashek made you from people," Faleast cut him off.

Evolution go brrrrrrrr.

"... huh?"

Sorry, said AraRaash. We evolved out of it. Somewhat. Mistwraith details are fuzzy. I could probably find a book about it if you -

"No."

A few people around Faleast jolted and started staring. Her face flushed.

There you go! AraRaash exulted. You're getting the hang of this. You'll be an Aes Sedai in no time.

"Why couldn't I just pretend to be a Warder," Faleast grumbled.

Just because you have a fancy sword that can cut anything now doesn't mean you get a put a heron on it. And besides, you still can't stick two pieces of Velcro together with it. You're no Bondsmith and no swordsman. But being a channeller will be fun.

"I can't imagine it being worth this much," she replied.

Oh, pull yourself together. I haven't even started making you anatom-

"NO!"

...

This will be fun 

I'm not claiming Ajah I just wanted to make a crossdressing Faleast

Edit: also someone please post I have things to actually contribute with

Edited January 15, 2021 by Ashbringer

[Guest Breaker]

As a note, this is a Crossroads of Twilight era story, right? The male source should be cleansed. 

[James Brafin he/him]

Conden is a lot more circumstantial, but here goes:

Post #63 is a sheepy, naked, serious vote very early. Granted, there was (is) some real concern about Dannex, but it contributes nothing, just a blind hop onto a wagon that was mostly just discussion. That bothers me -- and then we get to this:

6 hours ago, Condensation said:

I already voted on Burnt Spaghetti. I still dislike D1 Exes, but I got suspicion last time for avoiding voting. So... not doing that.

I'm not retracting it. The Dannex vote makes sense to me.

Also, while I'd dislike being able to do stuff, I wouldn't mind being the first one in the dead doc. It'd be a new experience.

 

6 hours ago, Condensation said:

Sixth.

I'm doing this Introspective class right now. So I've gotten a lot better at considering my motivations and what I think is right and wrong. I've also found a lot of peace in meditation, so I don't think I'll be second-guessing myself nearly as much.

 

6 hours ago, Condensation said:

Well, it wasn't just D1. I was having a hard time being decisive.

 

These are the three votes between Dannex's declaration and Dannex's unvote. They explain nothing. They revolve around personal meta which is evidently not reliable. And they contain fluff. In fact, Condensation never did explain why they thought it was s good vote, they just voted and left it there and never went back to it. That reads strongly of soft-bussing to me, trying hard to put yourself in a place early to protect one's self if Dannex goes down later. (It also doesn't help Dannex's case at all.)

The other half I'm not going to quote, because the majority of it was my lack of reading comprehension skills and fluff. If you're interested, it's posts 124 through 151, so the very end of Page 5 to the very start of page 7. What I want to point out is Conden's participation here. This is by far the most active they have been this cycle. NAI, I know. But he's so readily encouraging this fluff conversation, nudging it along here and there when they feel the need. That's suspicious to me -- that sounds exactly how I would think as Elim in a QF; waste as much time and text as possible so as to run down the clock. And it worked, conversation mostly ground to a standstill after that point. I'd really question Conden's motivations here, because they might be playing the long con.
 

Spoiler

... Get it? Long con? Because their username is Condensa...

...

You know what, I'll show myself out.

Point being, This feels like soft-bussing from two players trying to create some conflict and distance; honestly, if feels kind of contrived, if you ask me. I think it's very indicative of scum, and that's why I have a hard read of Elim on both of them.

 

Edit:
(I'll get to my Quinn stuff in a bit, alongside my logic in-depth on Dannex's #47 and #55 here in a bit. I've been at this for 4 hours, I need to shower and rest my brain because it's been running a marathon)

Edited January 15, 2021 by James Brafin

[Guest Breaker]

Connie, not Conden, Jimothy. Use Connie as the nickname. Connie. 

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Connie, not Conden, Jimothy. Use Connie as the nickname. Connie. 

I mean, he can say conden if he wants ta and Connie is fine with it, ya know?

Also can I ask that no one respond to James' posts until @Condensation and @Dannex do? I mean, I can ask. I am asking. doesn't mean you have to comply.

[Mat he/him]

9 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

This is a strong point -- I don't know why you would automatically assume that there are PMs, especially since (I'm pretty sure) it's clear in the signups that there aren't. This is why I think there might be a PM slip here -- it feels to me like Dannex might be assuming that we have something (an exterior communication device) that we don't but they do. But again, that's just NAI; this is here mainly becuase I find it circumstantial.

I think people naturally assume PMs because most games played here have them. Additionally people typically read the rules on the first day of signups and not again, unfortunately, so it's easy for things to slip the mind.

Interesting I end up defending Dannex here. Devil's Advocate, hmm?

16 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

Conden did NOT do this; the two posts in between these are meta/fluff (which I will go into in more detail in part 2). This is a blatant backtrack and trying to end a bus (again, more in a moment)

I think assuming a bus here is a quick assumption. I doubt that Connie is bussing Dannex. Rather a lot :P.

Sorry Illwei, you ninja'd me. So reply I will :P.

This next part is probably going to be controversial. And hopefully not rude. Apologies in advance if it comes across that way, I make no intention of insulting anyone

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Whoof. How do I say this.

Spoiler

I'm an elim

Spoiler

*cough* 

 

In all seriousness:

Other mafia sites are, well, entirely dedicated to mafia. The people go to the sites solely for that purpose. Here, it is but a feature. As a result, there is a larger margin of people- myself included- who came to this site because they love the Cosmere, floated around for awhile in GenDis, then looked at SE and said 'That looks fun! I'll try it out.' and don't really have a good idea of epic strategies or how to accurately read people or how to weave together a genius bus/vote pattern and whatnot. Someone said earlier that it's way more casual than other sites, and having read through other sites' games I definitely feel that.

What's the point of saying that? Good question. I guess it's a general 'hey people who are really good at this' and maybe a filler up on the meta. You can mostly ignore this. I'm not good at words...

[Guest Breaker]

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

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I'm an elim

  Hide contents

*cough* 

 

 

Can I be two elims?

[Condensation she/her]

16 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

Conden is a lot more circumstantial, but here goes:

Post #63 is a sheepy, naked, serious vote very early. Granted, there was (is) some real concern about Dannex, but it contributes nothing, just a blind hop onto a wagon that was mostly just discussion. That bothers me -- and then we get to this:

These are the three votes between Dannex's declaration and Dannex's unvote. They explain nothing. They revolve around personal meta which is evidently not reliable. And they contain fluff. In fact, Condensation never did explain why they thought it was s good vote, they just voted and left it there and never went back to it. That reads strongly of soft-bussing to me, trying hard to put yourself in a place early to protect one's self if Dannex goes down later. (It also doesn't help Dannex's case at all.)

The other half I'm not going to quote, because the majority of it was my lack of reading comprehension skills and fluff. If you're interested, it's posts 124 through 151, so the very end of Page 5 to the very start of page 7. What I want to point out is Conden's participation here. This is by far the most active they have been this cycle. NAI, I know. But he's so readily encouraging this fluff conversation, nudging it along here and there when they feel the need. That's suspicious to me -- that sounds exactly how I would think as Elim in a QF; waste as much time and text as possible so as to run down the clock. And it worked, conversation mostly ground to a standstill after that point. I'd really question Conden's motivations here, because they might be playing the long con.
 

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... Get it? Long con? Because their username is Condensa...

...

You know what, I'll show myself out.

Point being, This feels like soft-bussing from two players trying to create some conflict and distance; honestly, if feels kind of contrived, if you ask me. I think it's very indicative of scum, and that's why I have a hard read of Elim on both of them.

I'm a she.

First of all, my past QF games have been a lot of fluff and quick votes. I was simply trying to adapt.

And while I do have a lot of personal topics, that's one of the things I do. I'm pretty introspective and I generally know how I'm acting, but other people don't know that, so I have to state that. This was a problem Illwei had with me a couple of games ago.

I didn't really have a lot of reasoning for the Dannex vote, I was honestly just jumping on a train because I didn't want to be unfair to Burnt. I didn't feel comfortable taking that vote off because, like I've said, I've gotten suspicion on me for not voting.

Fluff isn't always a waste of time. It can be a real indicator of people's alignment, and I was trying to get reads at that point. The conversation going down after had nothing to do with me except for the fact that I had to get off.

Also, when did I take my vote off of Dannex?

11 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Connie, not Conden, Jimothy. Use Connie as the nickname. Connie. 

Conden's all right. I get Con, Scam, Densa, Zation... I have a lot of nicknames.

[Illwei]

13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

and having read through other sites' games I definitely feel that

Catch Mat being a bro and actually following the 700+ page HPM game <3

Spoiler

They finally caught the last Elim, even though I basically chose to give him, on my death
 - A second factional kill
 - This one wish thingy, (which kinda worked apparently like the boon/bane thing) and he used it to write the writeup for the following day, in which he tried to convince everyone he was a mod-confirmed player. (it worked for two cycles O.o)

I mean no like- like he played really well. surprised they got him. Kiiinda sad ;-; but glad that's over, Nigel *sigh*

I don't see how that should be controversial Mat? unless I'm missing something?
Yeah we take it a bit more casually here, but that doesn't mean that other players should take it as seriously as they want?

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Anyways, Concerning @Breaker: I have something to say on this, not a lot, but I wanted to first ask breaker, Is there anything that you took from the last game, and are applying it to this game?

Not asking this in any sort of condescending way, but in a "I notice a big difference in the way you're playing" way from the MR, and I'm wondering if you see it too.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Illwei
;_____; NINE NINETY EIGHT

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Can I be two elims?

You can be one? Because it'd be your alignment?

?

[Ashbringer he/him]

24 minutes ago, Breaker said:

As a note, this is a Crossroads of Twilight era story, right? The male source should be cleansed. 

... well, they just worldhopped in so they don't know that 

Or AraRaash hasn't told Faleast yet

Or I definitely knew that going into this

 

Anyway...

I think Dannex is still up to be executed. I'm not one to interfere with that usually, but I'll see what I can do.

Right now I have a good gut on Matrim (as always) / Quinn (assuming I don't immediately die) / James (new + seems to know what they're doing), and a bad gut on Shard of Reading / Devotary of Sponteneity. Don't really have much in the way of reasons for any of them. Dannex... I'm neutral on? Doing this doesn't seem too out of character for them, although it is at least a reason. And I would prefer to get a vote out soon.

 

Aaaaand Matrim claimed Elim and then coughed and I have no idea what to make of that. (Although I do kind of agree that the optimal strategies from other sites will often not be the optimal strategies here, both because 1, we are more relaxed here and have different forum systems, 2, the ways we play are somewhat different, and 3, we are... not great at using optimal strategies )

 

I'll look through the thread and decide whether to vote Dannex or not.

[James Brafin he/him]

Oh jeez, there's discussion
I am still taking my break, but I dropped in real quick, and I will say to @Condensation: I intentionally  chose "they" as a general-neutral pronoun because I did not know what your pronouns were. I probably should have double checked your bio before I started posting, but I did not. I'm sorry if my use of 'they' offended you in any way, and I'll be glad to change it if you'd like. I'll use Connie too, if you'd rather I did that instead of Conden; that's just what I've been using in my notes since it's quick and easy to remember.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Hi.

   I exists.

       I am very lost.

          I need to reread everything already.

             TLDR's appreciated if you're willing to let me be lazy.

                Otherwise i'll say something more meaningful after a couple thread reads

                     Maybe I should take notes on my next read through huh.

[Mat he/him]

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Catch Mat being a bro and actually following the 700+ page HPM game <3

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I thought it was Why ;-;

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11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I don't see how that should be controversial Mat? unless I'm missing something?

Controversial was the wrong word. I just didn't want to insult anyone.

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Yeah we take it a bit more casually here, but that doesn't mean that other players should take it as seriously as they want?

I don't want to disregard anyone's playstyle and certainly don't want to discourage seriousness.

But

If someone is being read as doing 'x for y reason' and that would make sense on a site where everyone has a better idea of strategies, that's opposed to here where that isn't the case. Again not trying to be rude or anything...

10 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Aaaaand Matrim claimed Elim and then coughed and I have no idea what to make of that

Nothing please xD

Heyyyyy Lahilt's viewing the thread! I remember you!!!!

Edited January 15, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Guest Breaker]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Anyways, Concerning @Breaker: I have something to say on this, not a lot, but I wanted to first ask breaker, Is there anything that you took from the last game, and are applying it to this game?

Not asking this in any sort of condescending way, but in a "I notice a big difference in the way you're playing" way from the MR, and I'm wondering if you see it too.

Oh, I'm still being a goofball and a ham, coordinating with my Warder to steal the spotlight. But I've got about fifty tabs open for making a Pathfinder 2e character for my game with James, Gears, and Burnt, and I'm trying to force a round block into a square hole, so to speak, by trying to cram together some very specific feats for a pacifist meme character. Also, I don't have an active bet on dying. Nor will I likely make another. Instead, I'm waiting for information, and watching how people do reads. I'm learning a fair bit from reactions to James, for example, about the meta. I didn't exactly play reliably last game, on purpose, because I didn't want a reputation to tail me, and for fun and profit experience. My policy about ties remains, and I'll be fighting against them. They clearly favor elims, as seen in my bungle on night 2 last game. I've already picked my target for following tonight, as Blue Ajah, so I'm just gonna scope out who approaches them. Until I see another reason, I intend on playing rather candidly, since it's a learning strategy to see how people react. But, as with last game, I confess to not having good reads on anyone. It's a matter of being new. Expect more activity from me on the morrow, but I'll be almost surely casting a vote this cycle, in order to pad against ties, since "Soothing" exists. 

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Breaker is a special shade of chaos.

Its fantastic

[Guest Breaker]

Just now, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Breaker is a special shade of chaos.

Its fantastic

F w e n d

[dannnex male]

32 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

Part A of the megapost: Dannex

 

This is the first thing that pinged me, and I realize that it's the first post of theirs. I'm cutting out most of it because you can go back and find it pretty easy (page 1 walls, amirite). The main thing here is that this post is super high-effort. A lot of thought ostensibly went into this. And yet... it tells us nothing. It's completely irrelevant to the game as we don't have any widespread PMs, it's mostly just discussion of the roles and not thoughts on their function, and we've already hashed this out at least once (see the post before this). It reads to me like a very high-effort, low-value post, a post that 's supposed to looks solvey and towney but doesn't really accomplish anything. That pings me in all the wrong places. I don't like. But that's pretty NAI, right? Yeah.

 

 

This is a strong point -- I don't know why you would automatically assume that there are PMs, especially since (I'm pretty sure) it's clear in the signups that there aren't. This is why I think there might be a PM slip here -- it feels to me like Dannex might be assuming that we have something (an exterior communication device) that we don't but they do. But again, that's just NAI; this is here mainly becuase I find it circumstantial.

 

 

This is what gets me really invested here -- this is blatant powerhunting, and it's really bad. As others go on to point out, Vanilla should never do this as it just feeds info to Elim without telling anything useful to Town.
As a side note, I will add that we should 100% be assuming there is some vanilla. Otherwise the town has 14-15 power roles, which is a lot a lot. You can't convince me that somewhere in here there are Nilla Wafer Town.

 

 

A bad defense for a bad argument -- Yes, there is benefit to being willing to allow yourself to die for Town but we learn nothing from it at all.

 

 

This is where we start hitting defensive/reflective/aggressive I think. The italics, the shade without voting (lets be real, there's a prime vote here and it's Conden, but more on that later)

 

 

This is super deflective and aggressive. Spinning a pointed question back into the asker is really not good stuff, and doesn't help the case here, especially with how comparitavely gentle Shard's ask was.

 

 

 

HEY NO

Conden did NOT do this; the two posts in between these are meta/fluff (which I will go into in more detail in part 2). This is a blatant backtrack and trying to end a bus (again, more in a moment)

 

 

I get that this, too, is somewhat jokey, but it's also a really aggressive shade that comes out of nowhere.

 

This reads as both aggressive and dismissive in the same breath. "I'm not pushing for anything, that's ridiculous, besides I'm not even voting and have no PMs so what you're saying is false."

Please note I have left posts #47 and #55 out of this wall, as I need to parse them together and am not ready to deal with that (need to rise and take a break after this set of posts). Suffice it to say they ping me pretty hard and I'm not 100% sure what to make of them yet.

A lot of this can be explained through game meta. Most of this is completely NAI for me. I usually post a role analysis, if only for my own benefit. I did kinda assume PMs, but it wasn’t conscious. Just used to assuming PMs when writing base analysis. I still think that if we have a vanilla they should claim. That piece of info is more important than y’all are assuming.

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This is where we start hitting defensive/reflective/aggressive I think. The italics, the shade without voting (lets be real, there's a prime vote here and it's Conden, but more on that later)

Are you really sussing on me for using italics?? That’s hardcore tunneling if I’ve ever seen it. 

55 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

This is super deflective and aggressive. Spinning a pointed question back into the asker is really not good stuff, and doesn't help the case here, especially with how comparitavely gentle Shard's ask was.

This seems like more tunneling to me. I didn’t intend my tone to seem aggressive, but because of the aforementioned tunneling, you read it as such. 

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I get that this, too, is somewhat jokey, but it's also a really aggressive shade that comes out of nowhere

This can again be explained with meta, it’s a reference to something you didn’t see, it makes sense if you were there. I am still a little bit salty about that situation, so that could explain the apparent aggressiveness, although I still don’t read it as such.

[James Brafin he/him]

hmmm yesh chaosh

[StrikerEZ he/him]

6 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

I am very lost.

Honestly same.

I think the gist of it is that everyone was suspecting Dannex for a bit? And now only some of us suspect him and now others of us suspect Connie? I'm not really sure where I stand, because I think Dannex could just be a very defensive player, so the defensiveness could just be that. But I also know that I get really defensive as an elim myself. And I don't even know why some of us suspect Connie. It's been going a bit too fast for me to make sense of that.

And James seems to be a very aggressive player, in my opinion, but that seems to be because of the background he has in other types of mafia games. We're a lot more chill when we play here, focusing more on having fun.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Honestly same.

I think the gist of it is that everyone was suspecting Dannex for a bit? And now only some of us suspect him and now others of us suspect Connie? I'm not really sure where I stand, because I think Dannex could just be a very defensive player, so the defensiveness could just be that. But I also know that I get really defensive as an elim myself. And I don't even know why some of us suspect Connie. It's been going a bit too fast for me to make sense of that.

And James seems to be a very aggressive player, in my opinion, but that seems to be because of the background he has in other types of mafia games. We're a lot more chill when we play here, focusing more on having fun.

Okey, so, i'll, take notes specifically on those two then cool.

Well, nothing like diving headfirst into the deep end to work out all the nooks and crannies of the environment here!  Probably a little culture shock lol