Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

The lack of outside PMs makes secret Green claiming not possible.

Right right they can't in secret, but hey, green just like, wink at me or something! I'll keep it on the download...or...whatever that saying is... ://

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

You’re just killing my vote count in my notes... I’ve changed it like five times...

Notes Shmotes this is a QF we just point shoot amirite? :P.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Illwei
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[|TJ| he/him]

12 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

@Dannex I'm sorry but literally all your strategy falls apart when you realize that there are only PM's between A warder and their aes sedia.

This is important guys. Don't be creating PMs now, there are NO PMs other than the ones between an Aes Sedai and her Warder. 

23 minutes ago, Illwei said:

- Warder/Ajah Pairings can be V/E, correct? complete RNG?
 - Are half the players assigned Warder and Half assigned Ajah, or is it rolled randomly for each?
 - Are all roles not guaranteed to be included?
 - Can Warders Protect only their bonded Ajah? or only the Aes Sedai that they're in service to? or any person?

Pairings can be anything - V/V, V/E, E/V, E/E
PAFO
PAFO
Warders can only protect their bonded Aes Sedai

23 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Warder: Okay okay this one. So you have a bpv, and then...you can bodyguard your (just your bonded?) bonded Ajah every other turn.? [Waiting for clarification from GM (sorry if I missed it in the signups thead) with one of the questions I have, so uh gimme a minute on this]

I.. don't know what bpv is  Warders can protect once in two cycles. They can only protect their own Aes Sedai. 

10 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Knowing who people are PMing is good. Ajah's can have multiple Warders. @TJ Shade are they then in a chat all together, or two individual chats?

Group.

Haave I missed any questions? Please @ me. Whose great idea was it to GM a QF as the first game? xD

Edited January 14, 2021 by TJ Shade

[Ashbringer he/him]

As noted, we can't depend on PMs for claims. Which I was going to point out and then got ninja'd thirty times over with.

That being said, Ajahs should be communicative with your Warders. The most dangerous information an Elim!Warder can have - what type of Ajah you are - is already in their hands. If you don't want to explain what you're going to do this cycle, tell them what you did last cycle. Ajah who are more disruptive to the Black Ajah / Elims should probably tell their Warders after the fact (particularly the Green, Yellow, and Blue Ajah). If you trust the Warder more and your ability isn't so disruptive (such as Brown/Red rolescan, which can't really be changed besides murdering the scanner and losing all the Elim!Warder's abilities) it is probably safe to plan together.

There isn't too much of a point to having your Warders act as a voice, as a killed Warder will disable the Ajah abilities anyway. I suppose it depends on the role and how many Warders you have: someone with two Warders (and something really worth claiming for) should probably claim themselves, as their Warders can keep them alive for 4-5 turns not even counting the Yellow protect. Someone with one Warder, could go either way. I'd say Ajah for semi-important info and Warder for very-important info. No Warders... just claim it yourselves 

 

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Notes Shmotes this is a QF we just point shoot amirite? :P.

Illwei is Green Ajah confirmed

Edit: woah that was a lot of posts at once.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Quinn0928

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

23 minutes ago, Illwei said:

 - Warder/Ajah Pairings can be V/E, correct? complete RNG?

 - Are half the players assigned Warder and Half assigned Ajah, or is it rolled randomly for each?
 - Are all roles not guaranteed to be included?
 - Can Warders Protect only their bonded Ajah? or only the Aes Sedai that they're in service to? or any person?

Brown: Role Scanner. (Assume this says if warder or not too?? So, kinda like a red but just. more. powerful?)
White: Bond Scan. (honestly don't see how this could be that useful, but uh...I guess seeing who people have PMs with is nice.)

 - I'm expecting three kills a cycle

Warder/Ajah don't have to share an alignment. There aren't necessarily the same number of Warders and Ajah. Aes Sedai and Ajah are the same* thing and Warders can only protect their bonded Aes Sedai, if any. Red Ajah used to identify a random Warder, but then it got changed to a worse Brown Ajah. White Ajah is useful for the elims because killing half of a Warder-Aes Sedai pair removes all abilities from the survivor.

I assume you're counting three kills as in elim kill, Green Ajah, exe, but there's a lot of protection and extra lives potentially flying around. There's potentially enough village protection that the elims would need a larger-than-standard team.

21 minutes ago, Dannex said:

This is the most powerful kill role I’ve seen, so I am very sure that we only have one of them, and that they’re village. You should find someone you trust and claim, since this role is almost definitely confirmed village. If we can get a pair of people that are both 100% sure that the other is safe, that’s a powerful asset for the village. Really, having even a single person confirmed village is an asset. Ideally the GA would prove that they are the GA via a BA scan, and then we get 2 YAs to stagger protect them.

I kind of doubt there's a village brown Ajah and two village yellow Ajah. Usually GMs put in the no targeting in consecutive cycles clause because they don't want it to be possible for someone to be continuously protected.

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Okay. so. if you are the Green Ajah and have read through my first post, then you know that you can 100% trust me. since you can 100% trust me you can let me know that you're the Green Ajah, and we can work together! Since it's basically a Mech cleared town role because of my amazing analysis here that is 100% truthful! poggers.

Knowing who people are PMing is good. Ajah's can have multiple Warders. @TJ Shade are they then in a chat all together, or two individual chats?

If someone's Warder dies then they could try and pretend that they are PMing or whatnot. IMO, not a great plan, but who here has really great plans. if this happens it'll probably be a last minute "oh no we're in trouble but wait your ajah died so this is pretty poggers since we can pretend we're in a chat together and no one can counter it" or something.

Idk, there's probably something there. I'll discuss with the Elim team and get back to you on that later.

The Green Ajah can't tell you unless you happen to be their Warder, as Reading points out. Ajah almost certainly will not have multiple Warders, that was back when every Aes Sedai had at least one Warder and Warder-Aes Sedai had to share alignments, giving TJ the option to have an odd number of elims.

Claiming elim wasn't a good strategy for Gears, why are you doing it now?

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

That being said, Ajahs should be communicative with your Warders. The most dangerous information an Elim!Warder can have - what type of Ajah you are - is already in their hands.

Warders don't start out knowing what kind of Ajah their partner is.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Warders don't start out knowing what kind of Ajah their partner is.

Yes they do--I asked before the game started. TJ confirmed that.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Oh, that's why I left an empty space at the bottom of my post...

No Roleblocks this game. Only way someone can stop an action is A) kill you before you can share scan results or B.) protect someone being killed. 

 

We currently have an odd number of players, meaning either someone's got multiple Warders or someone's missing one. (Or there's a rogue Thug pretending to be a Warder.)

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

We currently have an odd number of players, meaning either someone's got multiple Warders or someone's missing one. (Or there's a rogue Thug pretending to be a Warder.)

I’d assume not everyone has a role to begin with, honestly.

[Quintessential she/her]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

We currently have an odd number of players, meaning either someone's got multiple Warders or someone's missing one. (Or there's a rogue Thug pretending to be a Warder.)

Pretty sure that's not... in the rules? XD

Also, a note: I would guess that since it's in the rules, we do in fact have at least one Ajah with more than one Warder and at least one with no Warder, and that we would regardless of the number of players. The former because it's interesting and the latter because from what I can tell, it doesn't really make thematic sense for a Red Ajah to have a Warder in the first place. Obviously that's not a guarantee, but it's something to keep in mind. 

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

That being said, Ajahs should be communicative with your Warders.

Lean Vil on Ash for talking like this. Easy to just not say something like that, but saying it makes it so that the Elims can't do that without looking suspicious.

For those of you keeping Track at home (mat -_-), here are the Illwei scores:

Null/Village
 - Ash (his post)
 - Order (idk he seems cool)

Hrmmmmm
 - Archer 
 - Quinn

Null/Elim
 - Danex (idk he seems kinda strange)
 - Devo (kinda being mean to me ;-;) /s

Lockscum
 - TJ (didn't make me an Elim >:( )

Current vote on: Kwinn bc she mean ;-;

5 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

Yes they do--I asked before the game started. TJ confirmed that.

Yep. Says in my PM right here that I'm bonded to a Green Ajah yessiree.

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I’d assume not everyone has a role to begin with, honestly.

Wait did I already ask this question? was it already answered? Mat if it's an easy question to ask it never hurts :P. at worst we get a pafo! *grumble grumble*
@TJ Shade there are no Vanillas in this game rite?

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Current vote on: Kwinn bc she mean ;-;

What did I do?  whatever it was I didn't mean to be mean! I'm sorry...

Also, TJ's response to the vanilla thing was a solid "PAFO"

 

[Condensation she/her]

24 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

Yep. I'm far behind already.

23 minutes ago, Illwei said:

As opposed to doing it elsewhere? :thinking:

Like... voting immediately? Yeah, I feel like that's not the norm, at least for me, on the other kinds of games.

18 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Right right they can't in secret, but hey, green just like, wink at me or something! I'll keep it on the download...or...whatever that saying is... ://

Notes Shmotes this is a QF we just point shoot amirite? :P.

It's down-low.

[dannnex male]

If anyone is Vanilla you should come out and claim. You’re vanilla, so to be brutally honest, you’re expendable. So revealing yourself isn’t that bad. And then we know to include possible Vanilla roles in our analysis. 

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, Dannex said:

If anyone is Vanilla you should come out and claim. You’re vanilla, so to be brutally honest, you’re expendable. So revealing yourself isn’t that bad. And then we know to include possible Vanilla roles in our analysis. 

Disagree. Revealing yourself like this means the elims can cross you off the list of possible kill targets because they want to kill our powerful roles.

***

Illwei’s being especially trolly/sarcastic/Illweiesque this game...

Flash reads: 

Good: Quinn/Ash

Bad: Connie/Dannex

Dont ask for reasoning just yet cause there ain’t any.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[dannnex male]

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Disagree. Revealing yourself like this means the elims can cross you off the list of possible kill targets because they want to kill our powerful roles.

We only need one person to claim, letting the Elims cross a single person off in exchange for our knowing that vanilla roles are in the game is worth it imo.

[Quintessential she/her]

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Disagree. Revealing yourself like this means the elims can cross you off the list of possible kill targets because they want to kill our powerful roles.

Yeah, having all the vanillas (if there are any) reveal themselves is probably not the best plan. It might be nice to know if there are vanillas, though... I'd say it's up to the discretion of the vanillas themselves whether to inform us of their existence. I mean, it's not like we can exactly stop them : P.

Edit: What Dannex said.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Quinn0928

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Dannex said:

If anyone is Vanilla you should come out and claim. You’re vanilla, so to be brutally honest, you’re expendable. So revealing yourself isn’t that bad. And then we know to include possible Vanilla roles in our analysis. 

Sigh.

Aha! wait...I think I have the word for this now!

Based. :P.

Okay, Here we go. On one hand: danex....always has controversial opinions. Thinking of reading over MR47 because I wasn't paying so much attention to that, but this is...Quite a strange opinion. On the other hand, this is...I mean, Okay please don't claim. I think the closest we would have to a Vanilla is a lone Warder

@TJ Shade In the case of a lone Warder would they be able to protect anyone or no one?

And, Like mat said, outing as vanilla only makes it easier for the Elims to know who not to kill (unless we all out as vanilla O.o xD)

EDIT:

Add on with Danex's recent-er post: Vanillas aren't important to know IMO. we already don't know the distribution of the colors or whatnot, so knowing if there are vanillas doesn't really get us anywhere.

In fact: Danex, can I ask you. I am claiming Vanilla. what now?

Edited January 14, 2021 by Illwei

[+Lotus she/her]

Wow. I’ve forgotten how fast QFs moves.

Uhhh

[dannnex male]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

On one hand: danex....always has controversial opinions.

 

[Quintessential she/her]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

And, Like mat said, outing as vanilla only makes it easier for the Elims to know who not to kill (unless we all out as vanilla O.o xD)

Well, actually the other problem is that it makes it easier for the elims to know who to kill. If I were an elim and a couple people claimed vanilla C1 I'd see them as free-bee kills because everyone else either has two lives or potentially has a bodyguard (edit: sorry, misphrased this).

Edited January 14, 2021 by Quinn0928

[dannnex male]

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Danex, can I ask you. I am claiming Vanilla. what now?

Well, then we do Illwei, to see if you’re lying or not. Either you’re lying and an Elim, or a Vanilla, and therefore expendable. Mishanging a Vanilla is the best possible mishang, so it’s basically a win-win.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Dannex

[|TJ| he/him]

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@TJ Shade In the case of a lone Warder would they be able to protect anyone or no one?

*grins* PAFO  

[Illwei]

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

Well, actually the other problem is that it makes it easier for the elims to know who to kill. If I were an elim and a couple people claimed vanilla C1 I'd see them as free-bee kills because everyone else either has two lives or has the potential to be a bodyguard.

Ehhh I wouldn't kill a Vanilla. I mean, I'm not the one telling them what to do or whatnot, ya know, (unless you wanna listen to me, Elims. In which case, Attack me tonight! :D)

but A claimed vanilla first of all could be anything else. more likely it's a warden. You'd do better to try and kill anyone else than a claimed vanilla in my opinion.

 

[Quintessential she/her]

2 minutes ago, Dannex said:

Well, then we do Illwei, to see if you’re lying or not. Either you’re lying and an Elim, or a Vanilla, and therefore expendable. Mishanging a Vanilla is the best possible mishang, so it’s basically a win-win.

You're ignoring the very obvious third case in which she's village and is just being her usual chaotic neutral self XD

Edit: @Illwei and that is yet another reason why I'd do it. Yellow Ajahs theoretically would see confirmed vanillas as less worth protecting than someone who might be the Green Ajah or the GA's Warder. And Blue Ajahs might be less likely to watch confirmed vanillas, so elim!me killing a vanilla would be less likely to be caught on cams, so to speak.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Quinn0928

[Gears]

Announcement: Rollover is during school for me, so I'll be significantly more active about 6-8 hours after.

The following is rules analysis.

Factions: Standard. Note that Black Ajah are not necessarily bonded to elim Warders, so do not trust your Bonded.

Bond: An Aes Sedai and her Warder(s) will share a PM. Both have a vested interest in keeping the other alive, since that person’s life sustains their power. Note that a Warder will always have an Aes Sedai but an Aes Sedai will not always have a Warder. [It's Gears from the future, I realise that we do not know this for certain.]

Roles:

Red Ajah: Warder scan. Somewhat more helpful for elims, since killing the Aes Sedai before the Warder is strictly better.

Green Ajah: A kill. I don’t think that the Black Ajah would be given another kill, so I concur with 1 village Green Ajah. 

Grey Ajah: Turn vote to null or null to existent. This does not cancel your vote. A potent tool in the hands of the Black Ajah, since they can safely do whatever. As this has no downside, feel free to throw this out if you want to stop/ensure an execution. Since ties kill everyone, this can be used to save/destroy many people at once.

Brown Ajah: Rolescan. Strictly better than Red. Use every cycle and keep this close to your chest.

Yellow Ajah: Healer. Alternate between your Warder and someone else/no one as your Warder alternates in protecting you.

Blue Ajah: See one person who targets your target. Not especially useful since you don’t get their action, but good for tracking things with visible results [EX: Vote manip, healers]

White Ajah: Find the Bonded of your target. As the Bonded can be any alignment, practically useless for vil except as seeing who to protect to keep the Green Ajah in business [or any other confirmed village Ajah]. Better for elims, since you can eliminate powers by killing the Bonded, but still not great.

Warder: Protect your Aes Sedai on alt cycles. Extra life. After first successful protect, you will lose a life on a success. You know the role of your Aes Sedai, so I would assume that the Green Ajah has at least 1 vil Warder or the elims would just kill them immediately. As was stated, the only role that can survive the lynch. 

Advice for Ajahs: Keep your Warder alive. You need them.

Advice for scanners: If you have a Warder, use them to feed the thread your scans. If you lie and say that you are the Warder, a rolescan can easily confirm otherwise, and even if you don’t trust your Warder, they are in the thread.

Order of Actions: Makes sense. Vote manip before the vote, protects before kills, kills before scans. [The Killers Radiant will rise again!]

In a futile effort, I would like to declare the uselessness of poke votes. They do absolutely nothing.

Distribution: I'm assuming 5 because I was once killed by underestimating [Quinn, I do not forgive you]. 

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Roko the Basilisk glanced at its hands, making sure all of the tendons bended properly. Constructing bodies was always hard, especially when interacting with a new anatomy. The humans in this realm did not appear significantly different from the ones Roko had encountered previously, but their attunement to the One Power changed them ever so slightly, and nerves were such delicate things. After a brief inspection, Roko was satisfied, and walked into the Tower. 

Roko did not know Anaiya and her Warder, Setagana. However, as a person of the Tower, it was expected to be upset by this development. The Aes Sedai were supposed to be untouchable. They presented a mask of power, of security, of invulnerability. Some of them even believed it, the poor things. Standard emotions: Panic, fear, horror.
[RUNNING PARANOIA.EXE] 

Its breathing picked up slightly, its shoulders tensed, and its eyes began to glance back and forth at the people around it. Some of them were killers. Some of its f͏͝r҉̸͢͞͝i̵̛ę҉̕͢n̴͟d̶̨̕͠s̕͜͜͢͠ were killers. Even its B͏̵̢o̡͠ń̸̴͠͝d͏̕͘͠͠è҉̡͡d͡҉͟͜͝ could not be trusted. What would it do? What could any of them do?