|TJ| he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ventyl said: EDIT: Also, did anyone alignment scan me as I asked? I don’t have any more charges, so you’ll be sure it went through. Another bait to out Elsecaller/Lightweaver *sigh* Fine, if that's what takes to get y'all united to lynch Ventyl, lynch me IF he flips village.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Wow, looks like the elim team has Striker, TJ, Ventyl, and Gears, embarking on a cunning plan to get each other killed for trust while simultaneously killing actual villagers trusted for their votes. Next thing you know, the elims will be purposefully submitting kills on each other so they can claim Skybreaker/Dustbringer. 18 minutes ago, Ventyl said: EDIT: Also, did anyone alignment scan me as I asked? I don’t have any more charges, so you’ll be sure it went through. Does squiring take up two stormlight charges? The rules only mention it requiring two actions, so Radiants can't take any other actions the night they squire someone. 6
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Does squiring take up two stormlight charges? The rules only mention it requiring two actions, so Radiants can't take any other actions the night they squire someone. Squiring does not take Stormlight, which only makes me more suspicious of Ventyl.
|TJ| he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Wow, looks like the elim team has Striker, TJ, Ventyl, and Gears, embarking on a cunning plan to get each other killed for trust while simultaneously killing actual villagers trusted for their votes. Next thing you know, the elims will be purposefully submitting kills on each other so they can claim Skybreaker/Dustbringer. I don't know if you were serious or actually joking but that made me laugh out. xD I needed that, thanks. 5 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Does squiring take up two stormlight charges? The rules only mention it requiring two actions, so Radiants can't take any other actions the night they squire someone. Nope. Only takes actions.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Wow, looks like the elim team has Striker, TJ, Ventyl, and Gears, embarking on a cunning plan to get each other killed for trust while simultaneously killing actual villagers trusted for their votes. Next thing you know, the elims will be purposefully submitting kills on each other so they can claim Skybreaker/Dustbringer. Does squiring take up two stormlight charges? The rules only mention it requiring two actions, so Radiants can't take any other actions the night they squire someone. Straw said it takes up my charges? 9 minutes ago, Gears said: Squiring does not take Stormlight, which only makes me more suspicious of Ventyl. So me misunderstanding the roles makes me an elim? EDIT: At this point it seems like TJ and Gears are trying to find any way possible to get me mislynched. Edited July 4, 2020 by Ventyl
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Okay, time to do some analysis. Ventyl and TJ: Outed Radiants, TJ as a likely Bondsmith, Ventyl as a likely Edgedancer, both pseudo-claimed to escape the lynch. Seem very badly to want to kill each other. Analysis: TJ is mild Village and Ventyl is very mild Elim, but I have no idea and I don’t want to wedge myself into this. Gears: Seem to be doing a lot of good analysis, but I’d prefer to have some more player reads. Analysis: Mild Village Striker: Striker “thought” the Elims would likely have Windrunner, Edgedancer, and/or Stoneward, and jokingly added Lightweaver. Well, we have Ventyl as a probable Edgedancer. Any thoughts on that? Semi-ninja’d edit: @Ventyl has essentially claimed Edgedancer, so he may have used Abrasion to protect himself and Progression to protect... TJ? But he can’t do that and Squire. Ventyl, at this point I want an explanation. @Straw, is it true that Squiring takes Stormlight charges (and, possibly, that you told Ventyl this)? Will be adding more analysis but I wanted to say that ^ first. And I was ninja’d too many times.
Straw he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Author Posted July 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gears said: @Straw, does squiring take up one's charges? No. See the clarification document: Quote Do you lose Stormlight if you Squire? No. Stormlight charges have no relation to Squiring.
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Just now, Straw said: No. See the clarification document: As such, Ventyl either did not squire and used actions instead, or is simply lying about not having Stormlight for some nefarious purpose.
|TJ| he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: both pseudo-claimed to escape the lynch This is not exactly correct. He pseudo-claimed for no reason at all, then hid behind his claim basically holding his KR tag as shield. I claimed only to explain my missing votes so you do not think I was saved by elims. And I'm fine with lynching other people from my suspicion list from N2 thread, but he's the most suspicious of the list and I'm sure he's an elim KR, a powerful one too. Therefore, I'm scared of letting him live even a cycle longer than necessary. I'm really unable to understand the hesitancy of others to lynch him, which only adds to my suspicion as part of the silence maybe from elims. Are you all not seeing what I am? His only defence seems to be "This is my play style." while I've tried to give the most logical reasons and y'all come up with impossible situations to try and put the suspicion back on me. 1
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Just now, TJ Shade said: This is not exactly correct. He pseudo-claimed for no reason at all, then hid behind his claim basically holding his KR tag as shield. I claimed only to explain my missing votes so you do not think I was saved by elims. And I'm fine with lynching other people from my suspicion list from N2 thread, but he's the most suspicious of the list and I'm sure he's an elim KR, a powerful one too. Therefore, I'm scared of letting him live even a cycle longer than necessary. I'm really unable to understand the hesitancy of others to lynch him, which only adds to my suspicion as part of the silence maybe from elims. Are you all not seeing what I am? His only defence seems to be "This is my play style." while I've tried to give the most logical reasons and y'all come up with impossible situations to try and put the suspicion back on me. I trust TJ more than Ventyl for precisely this reason.
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Fair, but he did use it as a method to try and get out of a lynch via vote shift. You used it to allow your powers to be seen as self-preservation instead of Elim manip. As such I also don’t trust Ventyl, or I un-trust him a lot more then I untrust you. My problem is that I make “impossible situations” that are, by my own admission, highly unlikely, but possible, and you equate them with complete Elim suspicion and react in a panicky way. I’m just going to stop talking about it. It’s getting out of hand, and unless Ventyl somehow explains all this I have another target to tinfoil on.
theTruthshaper Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 RL happened which is why I was not active recently. Will be able to only do a few posts. TJ, I didn't want to lynch Ventyl as we had already decided to lynch them D2. I was not quite sure that Ventyl was an elim at that point. I think Ventyl is most certainly elim, if only because StrikerEZ continuously defended them.
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Reads list. Ventyl: Mild elim because of all the confusing behaviors. Alignment mutually exclusive with TJ's. Primary lynch target. TJ: Mild village because he could have used 1 charge instead of 2 to ensure survival if he was an elim. Alignment mutually exclusive with Ventyl's. Ashbringer: Very slight village because I agree with many of their opinions and they haven't been suspicious. Everyone else gets a null read until I can go reread the thread because I can't remember anything they've said. Special mention to Devotary, whose hypothesized elim team made me laugh.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: I don't know if you were serious or actually joking but that made me laugh out. xD I needed that, thanks. That's the only way I see for you to be an elim at this point considering how easy it would be to lynch Gears or Ventyl. I highly doubt this is the case. 33 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Straw said it takes up my charges? As Gears and Ashbringer point out, it is impossible for you to be out of stormlight if you are a Knight with the surge of Abrasion who made a squire last night. At least one of those claims has to be a lie.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 I don’t really think either Ventyl or TJ are elims. Elim!Ventyl would almost certainly know that squiring doesn’t use Stormlight. Village!Radiant!Ventyl would also know, if Ventyl had actually squired. Thus, we probably have a Vanilla!Village!Ventyl. However, due to probably lying about his role, I can understand the votes on him. The chaos he’s creating isn’t helpful to the village. And like I mentioned last cycle, TJ’s double vote manip soft-cleared him in my eyes. I’d also like to point out that it is totally possible for two people to strongly want each other dead, while being on the same team, provided they don’t know that fact. I’m less sure what to think of Devotary right now. @Devotary of Spontaneity, you seem against the Ventyl/TJ lynch. Who are your suspicions, if not any of the people you mentioned? I’m going to put my vote on Gears for now. I’m sticking with my read from last cycle, and this post: 1 hour ago, Gears said: I am going to place my vote on Ventyl for now, as they've been suspicious for a while. Would anyone would like to propose an alternate lynch target? seems non-committal to me. 2
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 I was quoting for a long post, but then the turn was over 8 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: I trust TJ. The only way he's an Elim is if Ventyl is also an Elim. Right, I had a bunch of justification for this, but no. Ash put it really well, and I have a village read on them, but basically, a piece of me suspects a Joe/TJ/Striker team. Not enough to follow through with it, but a bit. 5 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Lol @Elbereth so evil. I agree, and a couple other people have expressed suspicion too, but no one has really followed up on it. I find that WEIRD, especially because no one responded to your post last night, even though you're a very good player. Elbereth, for now. Also, TJ, if I were a village Radiant, I would have moved a vote off you if I didn't have anything better to do.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Gears TJ Shade Is no one going to point out that they, only a single turn ago said they would not lynch me? And now are contradicting themselves? I’m honestly so frustrated about this entire situation! At this point I give up, if y’all want to lose your Edgedancer, have fun being killed by Gravitation boosted elims for the rest of the game! I don’t see any other way to convince y’all I’m not an elim, so at this point I’m going to be offline for the rest of the turn. If I somehow live through this and Gears lives, I’m sure they’ll find some other reason to get me killed. I sincerely hope that whenever I flip village though, I get apologies, and that y’all lynch Gears and TJ, because I feel like it’s obvious one of them is an elim trying to get a mislynch on the village Edgedancer.
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: I agree, and a couple other people have expressed suspicion too, but no one has really followed up on it. I find that WEIRD, especially because no one responded to your post last night, even though you're a very good player. Elbereth, for now. We are not lynching El because we can learn much more from a Ventyl lynch. If Ventyl flips elim, TJ is more cleared. If Ventyl flips village, we're lynching TJ. It also has ramifications for my alignment as well as Ash's. El's lynch reveals nothing other than El's alignment. 2 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Gears TJ Shade Is no one going to point out that they, only a single turn ago said they would not lynch me? And now are contradicting themselves? I’m honestly so frustrated about this entire situation! At this point I give up, if y’all want to lose your Edgedancer, have fun being killed by Gravitation boosted elims for the rest of the game! I don’t see any other way to convince y’all I’m not an elim, so at this point I’m going to be offline for the rest of the turn. If I somehow live through this and Gears lives, I’m sure they’ll find some other reason to get me killed. I sincerely hope that whenever I flip village though, I get apologies, and that y’all lynch Gears and TJ, because I feel like it’s obvious one of them is an elim trying to get a mislynch on the village Edgedancer. I wasn't going to lynch you until you lied about squiring or Stormlight.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gears said: We are not lynching El because we can learn much more from a Ventyl lynch. If Ventyl flips elim, TJ is more cleared. If Ventyl flips village, we're lynching TJ. It also has ramifications for my alignment as well as Ash's. El's lynch reveals nothing other than El's alignment. I wasn't going to lynch you until you lied about squiring or Stormlight. l DIDN”T LIE! I misunderstood the storming rules!
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) @TJ Shade, you asked me why I didn’t talk about Ashbringer during the night. My list I gave there was not active players who hadn’t voted, it just happened to contain 3/4 of them (if Ashbringer is the only other such player). @The Young Pyromancer I think Elbereth is getting read as suspicious because she has made several long posts. There’s often some elim feel that comes from that, just because of the large volume of opinions being given. However, if Elbereth is evil, then leaving her alive for a while won’t hurt, because lots of posts means lots of things to analyze after she’s dead. I do still need to go back and see what set off my gut in particular though. Edited July 4, 2020 by Araris Valerian
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ventyl said: l DIDN”T LIE! I misunderstood the storming rules! You said that Straw told you it takes your charges. While this might all be a terrible misunderstanding, the risk caused by letting you live is too high.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Gears said: We are not lynching El because we can learn much more from a Ventyl lynch. If Ventyl flips elim, TJ is more cleared. If Ventyl flips village, we're lynching TJ. It also has ramifications for my alignment as well as Ash's. El's lynch reveals nothing other than El's alignment. What if both Ventyl and TJ flip village? I don't think we learn much of anything in that case.
Gears Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: What if both Ventyl and TJ flip village? I don't think we learn much of anything in that case. Then we learn that my suspicions were wrong and I give you permission to act upon your suspicions.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: What if both Ventyl and TJ flip village? I don't think we learn much of anything in that case. I’ll guarantee that I flip village! I’ll bet 10 actual dollars that I do.
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