Long Game 66: A Struggle for Power

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Coda said:

Firesoul: If you manage to survive long enough to store 6 charges, this will be amazing. @StrikerEZ, if a Firesoul is lynched and uses this ability, will the people who voted on them die?

This would be completely game-breaking if an elim stored up 6 charges, outed themself, and when 20 people voted on them they would all die along with the elim. Kind like an ultimate suicide bomber move. If it works with lynches.

Do I get brownie points?

[Experience he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

This would be completely game-breaking if an elim stored up 6 charges, outed themself, and when 20 people voted on them they would all die along with the elim. Kind like an ultimate suicide bomber move. If it works with lynches.

Do I get brownie points?

Or if they are a villager, they could "accidentally" let something slip that makes them sus, then when a bunch of people vote on him there's bound to be elims. I guess that may be one incentive to not jump on a train later on. 

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I doubt it, but the sheer difficulty of getting that many charges could make it work.

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

Mist didn’t mean to start a lynch train on you.

Now, I don’t really have any elim readings on anybody yet, but I think Ashbringers statements about not starting the Kandra hunt now is a little suspicious. It could be good to get the Kandra out of the way so that we don’t have to worry about them ruining a potential 1v1 scenario by killing the villager. If that happens Kandra could indirectly cause Elim win if the Kandra kills villager and the Loyalist kills the Kandra. That is my main worry about the Kandra right now. I don’t think it’s going to have a too overpowered role, but its likely it has some way to get Allomancy or Feruchemy, if it doesn’t start with it. 

I’ll save my vote for if I get an elim reading on Ashbringer or anyone else.

[Ashbringer he/him]

36 minutes ago, Coda said:

Roles to be aware of: 

• Slider; I like this role for the sheer madness of RNG. Use this just for fun.
• Duralumin Gnat: Since extra actions are not subject to the distinct action rule, you could use this one turn, then twice the next turn, then four times the turn after, and on and on until you can use your other role to ruin everything with a million extra actions.

Don’t discount a Slider’s protection ability. Since the redirect affects both the Slider and the Slid-ee, it’ll be a lot harder to stop a Slider from protecting someone than stopping a Lurcher, who has no self-protection.

Also, where do we get that extra actions aren’t affected by the unique action limit? Because this seems to make a Duralumin Gnat more powerful than a Steelrunner and just as powerful as a Soulbearer, which seems very... off to me.

Edit: What I mean is I could be right in worrying about the Kandra, or I could be completly off. I don’t want to start a full-scale hunt until we learn whether the Kandra even has kill potential.

And doesn’t the village lose anyway if it’s 1 villager vs 1 elim? Is that how parity works?

Edited June 4, 2020 by Ashbringer
Ninja’d post referenced me

[Shard of Reading he/him]

Just now, Ventyl said:

Mist didn’t mean to start a lynch train on you.

Not to be a party pooper but to remove a vote on someone you have to move it somewhere else (That's why I have not done it yet. I don't find anyone sus enough.)

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

3 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Not to be a party pooper but to remove a vote on someone you have to move it somewhere else (That's why I have not done it yet. I don't find anyone sus enough.)

Oops. Then I’ll but another poke vote out. Emi you haven’t posted yet, what are your thoughts on the little information we have?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

13 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

Mist didn’t mean to start a lynch train on you.

Why not?

[|TJ| he/him]

TJ watched the proceedings from the corner that was assigned to him. He had just returned after locking the door when one of the idiots had already gotten himself killed. If you're infiltrating an organization, why would you send in cowards? 

He sighed. Well that wasn't for him to wonder. As far as he was concerned, each and every one of these noble lords and ladies were driven purely by ambition. Ambition to rule, not to make Elendel a better place for people. First sign of trouble and they're done. All that ambition goes straight out of the window and they're only looking to save their own skin. Well that should give them something to think about. Cowards or not, they'll now think twice before trying something foolhardy. 

TJ shook these thoughts away. His job was to observe, and observe he shall. Manage to make yourself unnoticeable, and that could be your biggest ally. Make yourself inconsequential, and you'd be surprised at the amount of secrets that are placed on your lap by unsuspecting nobles. 

He wasn't exactly inconsequential though. He was, after all, posing as a Hazekiller. But it wouldn't be much of a stretch to call him that, since he had the abilities to back them. TJ was never the one to rely on metallic ability. It was addictive and made the user extremely reckless and compulsive. People could easily make a habit of over-relying on them and find themselves dead when they are deprived of it. TJ never used it unless he was in life-or-death situations. Instead, he focused on honing his combat abilities and observational skills which would prevent him from getting into life-or-death situations in the first place. 

Right now though, he wished he could just turn off his observational skills. The backbiting had started, the accusations hurling and the conspiring had begun. 

This is going to be a very long month. But he wasn't going to complain. He couldn't afford to. He was here to observe, and observe he shall.  

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

Oops. Then I’ll but another poke vote out. Emi you haven’t posted yet, what are your thoughts on the little information we have?

You don't, actually have to vote again. Reading is saying that cause that's a special rule in the MR we're playing rn.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

8 hours ago, Coda said:

Since extra actions are not subject to the distinct action rule,

Wait... really?

*checks rules*

Harmony's Bands! That makes Duralumin/Nicrobursting/Steelrunning more powerful than I thought. Imagine a double steel storing up all their actions and then releasing it all at once in a glorious wave of destruction. 

It does only increase by one at a time, unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately). So it shouldn't completely break the game.

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Brute: While storing in pewter, you will be severely weakened. If anyone performs any action on you that turn, you are also roleblocked. While tapping 1 pewter charge, you are immune to one kill for that turn. If you tap 3 pewter charges, you can protect a player from being killed. If that player is attacked, you kill the player who attacked them. (Storing: Both/Tapping: Night)

A protection role, both for yourself and for others. If you get roleblocked, do you lose the charge? @StrikerEZ The retaliatory protection is powerful, but also expensive. Storing solely in pewter, it could only be done every other cycle, and that’s at the expense of any other action. If you happen to be only a Brute, or if you don’t have any use for your other role, it might be a decent choice. I’ll leave it to any with this role to weigh the options for themselves.

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Windwhisper: While storing in tin, you are unable to PM. While tapping 1 tin charge, you can spy on someone to learn who they are PMing with. While tapping 2 tin charges, you can see someone’s PMs with one other player (the PMs you see are chosen randomly from the target’s PMs) (Both)

A PM spying ability. Given that the elims have a doc, it’s unlikely that any really implicatory discussions will be discovered. The use of this ability will be to gather information; what gets done with that information is likely going to depend on what it is and who gets it, just as it usually is.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by xinoehp512

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Lorena stirred, eyes flickering open. As she shifted and stretched, a heavy fur-lined jacket that was draped over her tumbled onto the floor. The corner of the room was surprisingly comfy. She must have drifted off. This meeting was taking ages to start, but it looked like things were finally heating up. Rust and ruin, what was all that racket?

Oh look, some bloke died on the floor with a coin through his head. Guess the investigation was going somewhere. Nobody paid the corpse much attention so it had probably been there for a while. But they certainly were having lively discussion. Mainly about who to kill next? Kind of brutal but you gotta do what you gotta do she guessed. The PLE was none too shy about that sort of thing. Anyway, there was probably stuff she could figure out by listening in.

It was dark, with the windows boarded up. Hard to tell what time of day it was. Felt like a morning, though. “Mornin’.” Her eyes settled on one of the folks standing in her corner. “I don’t s’pose you could give me a rundown of what’s gone down here?” She glanced meaningfully at the dead body.

Edited June 4, 2020 by DrakeMarshall
John suddenly does the windy thing.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

It’s because there’s a reward for most posts!

[Shard of Reading he/him]

And we are specail that way.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

3 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

It’s because there’s a reward for most posts!

Yeah I figured  It's also why my first post had 200+ words of RP in it 

[xinoehp512 he/him]

 

 

 

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Sparker: While storing in zinc, you are unable to vote or take another action. While tapping 1 zinc charge, you can learn a role of a player. While tapping 2 zinc charges, you can learn who someone targeted. While tapping 3 zinc charges, you can learn the alignment of a player. (Storing: Day/Tapping: Both)

A scanning role. Each level will likely have its own uses; although I personally would save up to do a bunch of alignment scans, I bet many people would be more clever with their usage. I have a similar question with this as with steel- can you only store one charge at a time? @StrikerEZ

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Firesoul: While storing in brass, you risk becoming so cold that you might become incapacitated or even die (15% of being roleblocked for the next turn and 5% of dying). While tapping 2 brass charges, non-kill actions fail against you. While tapping 4 brass charges, all actions, including kills, fail against you. While tapping 6 brass charges, all actions fail against you and anyone who attempts to kill you is killed instead. (Storing: Both/Tapping: Night)

A self protection role. Rather powerful if used in conjunction with an ability that lets you store a bunch at once; otherwise somewhat risky/difficult to use. I’ve never been comfortable with random chance myself and would likely be overly cautious with this role- I hope whoever got it is smart (and lucky) with their usage.

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Archivist: You can learn one random fact about the state of the game each turn (or whichever turns you choose to use this action). Could be someone’s role, an action someone took, the target of an action, etc. (Both)

It’s unclear to me whether this role activates on storing, tapping or both- although I would guess tapping only? @StrikerEZ This role reminds me of the omniscope from discworld: theoretically you can see anything, the trouble is getting it to see a specific thing. People with this role might as well spam and hope they get lucky.

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Sentry: While storing in bronze, you can’t vote during the day and you can’t PM during the night. While tapping 2 bronze charges, you can learn what actions were done on you. While tapping 4 bronze charges, you can learn who targeted you in the last turn. (Both)

This has a power similar to gold with the four charge effect, but is expensive to charge up. The storing requirements aren’t too onerous, however- the big issue is losing boxing opportunities.

Edited June 4, 2020 by xinoehp512

[Kynedath]

Wow, and he's still going . . .

[Experience he/him]

18 minutes ago, Kynedath said:

Wow, and he's still going . . .

I'm pretty sure he's going in 200 word chunks to make the biggest profit.

[Kynedath]

Oh dip! Xino, you mad lad! That's skeevy and genius!

Considering that it would be easy for you to just get on with your normal analysis, make a boatload of boxings, and not even have to stick your neck out. Considering this kind of behavior from you is normally NAI, I'd like to see more than just your normal analysis this cycle, just so that you can't get away scott free.

[|TJ| he/him]

xino is most definitely getting robbed 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

3 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

@StrikerEZ, what happens if this role gets used multiple times against someone? What if they take multiple actions on the turn you target them?

Well, their actions would finally happen once they stop getting delayed.  And all of the actions would be delayed.

3 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

Does the target action you have to be on the same half of the cycle as the action itself?

Only if a certain action can only happen on the day/night, such as vote manipulation or a kill.

3 hours ago, Experience said:

I just had a question, @StrikerEZ, do you get money for doing 200 word posts of RP or game-related content in PM's?

No.

2 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Does the kandra start with any other abilities? What if they're spiked? Can they use spikes? Is there a maximum number of spikes someone can have? If someone targets a thug with a spike, do they get the power if they live? Is that different then what happens if they’re tapping gold? How is the ability chosen from a person once they're spiked? Can you spike yourself to die on purpose? Can you spike someone else with a charged spike to give them the ability? Does the RP count if it happens in PMs? Does anyone start with any default items? Can someone be a twinborn and have one of the non-metallic roles? Can you be a hemalurgist and a thief? Is the Kandra an elim? How quickly do items restock on the black market? Were roles decided completely randomly, or did you already set X roles as elim and X as village, then randomized who got those?

...like 90% of these are PAFO, and I don't feel like going through and picking out the ones that aren't.

Oh hey, I didn't lose this. I thought I lost this. If you asked a question after page 3, the answer is in the new clarification section of the rules doc. (Here if you don't want to go looking for it)

If I missed a question, tag me and I'll answer it if I can.

[Ashbringer he/him]

@StrikerEZ - is the boxing cap per person or in total? Can each person earn 25 boxings per day, or can only 25 boxings be distributed to everyone?

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

@StrikerEZ - is the boxing cap per person or in total? Can each person earn 25 boxings per day, or can only 25 boxings be distributed to everyone?

Also, once someone buys something is the boxing placed for everyone, or just the person who bought something?

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Also, once someone buys something is the boxing placed for everyone, or just the person who bought something?

Placed for everyone. It's in the rule clarifications.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

7 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

@StrikerEZ - is the boxing cap per person or in total? Can each person earn 25 boxings per day, or can only 25 boxings be distributed to everyone?

Each person can only earn 25 boxings per turn once the cap is put in place.