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1 minute ago, Magestar said:

And that will be the third vote on Mist, who thus far has only made one post this game.  :P 

Ya I'm not really understanding the point of poke voting(I think that's what this is) mist three different times when you could poke people who haven't even talked yet.

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Just now, Experience said:

Ya I'm not really understanding the point of poke voting(I think that's what this is) mist three different times when you could poke people who haven't even talked yet.

Agreed. I don't think that's how poke voting works. That's a straight up lynch train.

Posted
15 minutes ago, Magestar said:

I'd also note that with the shear number of protection roles in this game, I'd not be surprised at all to see a lot of "attacked, but survived" messages.  Lurcher, Thug, Brute, Bloodmaker.  Possibly Kandra, although that's purely guesswork.  I'd also imagine that most people who survive an attack will fairly quickly claim one of those abilities, so going after anyone who survives an attack might be a bit fruitless.

Hey y'all I still here! For a while I might just have to meet the minimum requirements to be active because I have been busy, but we will see.

First off there is going to be a lot going on in the game. A lot. I suspect that we won't be able to trust anybody's role call (if they do make one) since there are many roles that can have similar results while going about it different ways.  I think that the best way to catch eliminators is by catching them in the act of lying (as they don't want the villagers to know anything) which will requiring some sleuthing which I know many of y'all are good at and goes over my head some of the time. So either catching them lying or finding them going under the radar. The radar part being a hard route to find them since there will inevitably be some villagers who won't be active in the game. The thief seems particularly troubling in the elims hands (as Magestrar said), honestly they could probably just target the person who has made the most posts so far and gradually just get more and more money till they can get the most powerful items to use. 

As for the elim team. I suspect that there might be 4-6 people on the elim team with 1-2 of them being newer players, 1-2 of them being mid-experienced players, and 2-4 being experienced players. I don't really want to vote on Mist since they are newer to the game.  

I will place a vote on Araris since they are pretty experienced form what I know and in the MR the most experienced ones seemed like those that could hide the best and make themselves the most invaluable. (Looking at you Straw). I feel like getting a more experienced player lynched could be a good thing and a bad thing. The good part being that whatever they end up having done they would have done it in the best interests of whomever side they are on, a second good thing is that if a newer player is on the elim team then it is harder to get a read on what they have done or were trying to do. The bad part is that we get rid of an experience player who can help out a lot more that a non- experienced player. 

Posted (edited)

Rule Analysis time!

8 hours ago, Kynedath said:

Alright folks, time for the madness to begin! I have a feeling that trying to analyze each and every single role will be a tiresome and tedious job for whomever (cough cough @xinoehp512) decides to take it on. (JK Xino, I do NOT expect you to go through all of them!)

I don't think there is one specific strategy for finding elims this game outside normal strats, although with roles it can get messy really quickly. I personally don't like using PMs, but if anyone wants to PM me then please feel free! 

And nonsense, Kynedath. Of course I'm going to do analysis on the whole doc. What use am I if I don't analyze?

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Coinshot: You can burn steel and kill a target. (Night)

A kill role. Useful for eliminating suspicious people that it might be hard to get a lynch off on otherwise. People with this role have an added responsibility to be active and observant, as their power could turn the course of the game.

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Lurcher: You can burn iron and protect another player from being killed. (Night)

A protection role. Notably, it does not preclude protecting someone twice in a row on the same turn, so could potentially be used to make someone immune to night kills.

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Tineye: You can burn tin and watch to see who someone targets. As long as a Tineye is alive, PMs can be made between players. (Both)

A target scan. Not as useful alignment scan or a role scan, or even an action scan. Nevertheless, it is potentially implicatory- anyone who targets someone the turn they die has a much higher likelihood of being the person who killed them. 

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Thug: It takes two tries to kill you (you’re immune to your first lynch/kill). (Passive)

An extra life. Part of where having a vigilante (village kill role) will come in handy- if someone very suspicious is lynched and survives, a kill can finish them off.

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Rioter: You can burn zinc to move someone’s vote. Your own vote is cancelled. (Day)

A vote manip role. Essentially, you are hijacking someone else’s vote. This can be used by elims to appear to support a lynch candidate, but actually be working against it.

 

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Posted
Just now, The Young Pyromancer said:

Nothing, I asked it in that giant post on game questions. 

I think Striker's sleeping.

If so, late sleep. His time zone is at 11 am right now.

Posted
Just now, The Young Pyromancer said:

Nothing, I asked it in that giant post on game questions. 

I think Striker's sleeping.

Oh, that's what you were saying. I thought you were just dangling some rule that you knew in front of us.:P

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Soother: You can burn brass to cancel someone’s vote. (Day)

Another vote manip role, albeit a much simpler one. Similar to the coinshot, people with either of these roles have an added responsibility to be alert and observant so that they can use their powers to sway the lynch towards eliminators.

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Smoker: You can burn copper and protect you and another player of your choice from being Seeked, Rioted, or Soothed. (Both)

A role that protects against vote manipulation. Potentially useful in a tight lynch situation as a blocker against nefarious manipulation. I don’t see as much use for the protection against seeking, although I’m sure one could be found. Just be careful not to Smoke anyone the village needs role-scanned!

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Seeker: You can burn bronze to see which metal someone burned. (Both)

In many games, this is an alignment scanner. In this game, it’s a role scanner (albeit an imperfect one, as people won’t necessarily always be burning their metal.) Because of this, it’s useful to the elims as well- which makes Smoker a much less elim-centric role.

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Augur:  You can burn gold to see who targeted you in the last turn. (Both)

An inverse scan. If this role were to be protected from an attack, they would be able to use their power to identify who the would-be-killer was. Likewise with a roleblock or suspected vote-manip. All in all, this role could prove to be one of the most useful in the game. I would advise trying to find a Lurcher buddy if at all possible.

Posted
18 minutes ago, Experience said:

Oh, that's what you were saying. I thought you were just dangling some rule that you knew in front of us.:P

Wish it were so. I would do that normally, but alas, the Boxings are too tempting to pass up.

Posted
Just now, The Young Pyromancer said:

Wish it were so. I would do that normally, but alas, the Boxings are too tempting to pass up.

Yes, I wish that I had the time now to do 200 word responses each time, but I guess that I can't really do that right now.

Posted
1 minute ago, Experience said:

Yes, I wish that I had the time now to do 200 word responses each time, but I guess that I can't really do that right now.

yeah, what if someone had enough time to do 200 words responses and do enough to get the most posts that turn?

Posted (edited)

(Not quoting anyone because on mobile and through different pages it’s hard.)


Just saying, I could be very wrong about what the Kandra is. However, we can’t ignore what it’s not. It’s not an SK role, since the Village/Elims can win over its head. It also doesn’t directly state whether it comes with a kill ability, or if it has Metallic abilities. 

However, it has to either have some form of killing or of surviving/perpetuating itself in order to have more than a random chance at victory. And the fact that the former isn’t specified makes me think it’s the latter. So it has to do something, we just have no real idea what that ability will be.

I don’t think it’s Hemalurgy, either. I suppose the Kandra could have 1-2 uncharged spikes, but if you start as a Hemalurgist it sounds like you get a once-per-game kill that generates a spike in the black market, not in your inventory. Which wouldn’t help the Kandra any more than just having a kill ability or being a Coinshot would.

If the Kandra doesn’t have some secret advantage, they’d have to play both sides perfectly in order to get them both to die off on the same turn. While I feel like it would be fun to attempt, I don’t think it could be pulled off, especially regarding voter parity.

Again, I’m more worried about the elims.

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Posted (edited)

This is certainly a busy first cycle. :P

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Oracle: You can burn electrum to see who targeted you in the current turn. (Both)

Similar to gold, but you have to get lucky with your burning (you can’t react to an action that targeted you a previous turn). Has the plus side of giving immediate results, rather than having to wait an additional cycle.

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Pulser: You can burn cadmium and target another player, making it so that their action doesn’t take place until the next turn. (Both)

An interesting ability. This has the potential to disrupt several things. It’s unclear to me what would happen if this was used on a Gasper who successfully kept within the post limit on one cycle, but not on the next.
This role also has the possibility of allowing for the doubling up of actions, or even potential tripling. @StrikerEZ, what happens if this role gets used multiple times against someone? What if they take multiple actions on the turn you target them? Does the target action you have to be on the same half of the cycle as the action itself? If it targets every action a player makes (including ones previously delayed) then a good bit of fun could be had with this.

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Slider: You can burn bendalloy and target another player, making it so that any actions taken against either of you are randomly redirected. In addition, if the target player takes an action against anyone (besides you), their action is randomly redirected. (Both)

A type of protection role. Also a redirect of sorts. The random scattering aspect of it makes it harder to control or read, but it could still prove useful.

Edited by xinoehp512
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Can we post game-related memes? If not, please do tell. I'll remove the post.

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Y'all right now ^ :P

Posted
11 hours ago, Elkanah said:

The man had never given his name. Some wondered if he even had one. In his own opinion, the more someone knew about him the more power they had over him. The only people who knew his real name were long dead. Some speculated he was the one who killed them. All rumors of course, but if he turned his steely gaze on you, you would begin to suspect too. He had a chiseled jawline and dark eyes with a fire behind them that revealed a secret fury not quite hidden by his controlled demeanor. Some might have even called him handsome if not for the quiet intensity with which he met anyone brave enough to speak with him. 

The man walked to the far side of the room surveyed the room with the wall to his back. Roughly two dozen suspects. It should be easy enough to work out who was whom. Even if he had to get a little rougher than he normally allowed himself, you can not make an omelet without cracking a few skulls as they say. The only question left was whose skulls he would be cracking.

Ready to start, he leaned slightly to the person at his right and introduced himself.

Shard was still a little shocked with the death of someone already. One Variel, he had been told. The fact that he had been a loyalist helped to cushion the shock a little, but it was the first time that he had ever seen a death happen, only the body afterward. 

Shard had been by the wall since the death and was trying to avoid others, for he had no idea who he could trust. Anyone could be a traitor

Someone had walked over to the wall and was standing next to him, and Shard glanced at them wondering what they wanted.. Shard was starting to to become uncomfortable with the man looming over him when they leaned over and introduced themselves. 

Shard took a moment to think of something to say, and when he couldn't, he just shrugged. 

"I'm not sure. I don't really have anywhere to go anyway, so I guess it's fine. They'll probably just go and kill all the traitors that we can find. And probably kill a bunch of people who aren't as well."

Remembering his manners, Shard hastily added, "Oh, ya. I'm Shard by the way. Umm. Nice to meet you. What's your name?"

Posted
8 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Again, I’m more worried about the elims.

Everyone's been saying that. Feels like you're trying to blend in here. Coda, Ashbringer. Not a very solid vote, but at least it's actually based on something.

1 minute ago, TJ Shade said:

Can we post game-related memes? If not, please do tell. I'll remove the post.

Pretty sure we can.

More game thoughts:

Don't get the cap, as the only thing that could perhaps make people reach it is PMs, and it's not per pm, only the first.

Does the kandra start with any other abilities? What if they're spiked? Can they use spikes? Is there a maximum number of spikes someone can have? If someone targets a thug with a spike, do they get the power if they live? Is that different then what happens if they’re tapping gold? How is the ability chosen from a person once they're spiked? Can you spike yourself to die on purpose? Can you spike someone else with a charged spike to give them the ability? Does the RP count if it happens in PMs? Does anyone start with any default items? Can someone be a twinborn and have one of the non-metallic roles? Can you be a hemalurgist and a thief? Is the Kandra an elim? How quickly do items restock on the black market? Were roles decided completely randomly, or did you already set X roles as elim and X as village, then randomized who got those?

Posted (edited)

Aaah! So much activity. 

I'm here. Any questions, my 3 pokers? 

Content so far has been mostly NAI, I think. Magestar's comment on an elim thief could be trying to create a cover for an elim thief, although that comment is useful. 

Analysis coming.

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