Long Game 44: Shadows of Elantris Redux

[Arinian]

4 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

I listened to him, and took down a note-

‘Grammar is lacking, probably because his guilt is restricting his ability to use grammar properly.’

You only now noticed it ? Then you worst detective that I've ever seen.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, Arinian said:

You only now noticed it ? Then you worst detective that I've ever seen.

I cracked my knuckles. “And if you continue, you aren’t going to be able to see me anymore.”

[Lord Meeker he/him]

6 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Sorry Rand 

EDIT: Oh yeah. One of the Seon Holders asked me to inform the thread that they're looking for PM requests. Just post in thread that you're interested in chatting, and they'll get to you. First come first serve.

I would like this.

[Kidpen he/him]

10 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Because he wouldn't have tried throwing me under the bus in the end if he was. That would practically guarantee my innocence, and would be a completely pointless train of thought since he already knew my role and how pertinent it is I get killed ASAP.

He was saying he didn't believe your role. That's the point.

The reason I still suspect Bort and Aman is that I think Aman's defense of Bort felt forced. His reason's were very tenuous. I think that Bort was an elim that was going to get lynched, but Aman was also elim so he started a band wagon away from that.

I was going to keep this to myself, but I will now mention that I was the second to PM Aman, and he told me he had a Jeskiri pendant. I think this was protection for if someone scanned him and saw cultist. I don't think he gave anyone his role, and he and Bort just coordinated in the doc.

 

[Lord Meeker he/him]

3 hours ago, Bort said:

Why are you so sure that the Monarch is Mraize? I'm not arguing with you, he may well be for all I know, but I'd like to hear your logic. Doesn't the Prince get control of the Monarch's double vote? Yes. Yes, it does...

From the Monarch section in the rules doc:

 

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If targeted by the Prince/Princess, they control your double-vote.

 

To me, this means the Monarch could be either Dalinar or Mraize, or neither of them and someone has used the passphrase to cast a secret vote.

I would like to know this reasoning as well.

[Bort he/him]

I have a question for the forum moderators... How can you keep quotes and your text properly formatted when trying to copy/paste half posts into new windows so you can read new posts? Last night I lost half of a post trying to keep up with the thread, and it has just happened again.

Arinian, after rereading the post in which you voted for me, you start off saying that you see my points, then you talk about how honest Joe is, then about how he has joked in the thread of earlier games about being in the eliminator doc. How is falsely claiming to be an eliminator 'being honest'? What happens in the game where Joe is an eliminator? Would it be 'honest' of him to 'joke' about it in the main thread then? This is what I was talking about yesterday about complacency. People keep making those jokes, then what happens when they are an eliminator? They crack the joke, and everyone just accepts it, because if it keeps happening, it is habit forming.

Then you go on to talk about my flimsy reasons before voting for me.

So, to recap, you agreed with my concerns, then you got all defensive about Joe while also being contradictory about him, then you vote for me. That is quite the change in a single post.

 

[Steeldancer he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

He was saying he didn't believe your role. That's the point.

The reason I still suspect Bort and Aman is that I think Aman's defense of Bort felt forced. His reason's were very tenuous. I think that Bort was an elim that was going to get lynched, but Aman was also elim so he started a band wagon away from that.

I was going to keep this to myself, but I will now mention that I was the second to PM Aman, and he told me he had a Jeskiri pendant. I think this was protection for if someone scanned him and saw cultist. I don't think he gave anyone his role, and he and Bort just coordinated in the doc.

 

I was about to crack Eilen across the face when the crowd gasped. Dio Brando, possibly a murderous cultist? I looked him over. Did he have any brightly colored cloth on him? It was hard to tell. 

“Are these accusations true?” I called out. 

Edited April 12, 2018 by Steeldancer
Fixing rp name

[Amanuensis he/him]

23 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

(You probably should stop saying that).

I was actually planning on a full role claim before Kidpen just revealed another critical piece of information  

6 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

 

He was saying he didn't believe your role. That's the point.

The reason I still suspect Bort and Aman is that I think Aman's defense of Bort felt forced. His reason's were very tenuous. I think that Bort was an elim that was going to get lynched, but Aman was also elim so he started a band wagon away from that.

I was going to keep this to myself, but I will now mention that I was the second to PM Aman, and he told me he had a Jeskiri pendant. I think this was protection for if someone scanned him and saw cultist. I don't think he gave anyone his role, and he and Bort just coordinated in the doc.

This is why you should never offer free information, folks

My name is Dio Brando and I am a Korathi Priest with a Jeskeri Pendant.

Now that that's out in the open, who wants to know what would have been my master plan?

[Kidpen he/him]

5 minutes ago, Bort said:

I have a question for the forum moderators... How can you keep quotes and your text properly formatted when trying to copy/paste half posts into new windows so you can read new posts? Last night I lost half of a post trying to keep up with the thread, and it has just happened again.

They just stay there for me. It restores it when I click on the same thread again.

[Bort he/him]

10 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

He was saying he didn't believe your role. That's the point.

The reason I still suspect Bort and Aman is that I think Aman's defense of Bort felt forced. His reason's were very tenuous. I think that Bort was an elim that was going to get lynched, but Aman was also elim so he started a band wagon away from that.

I was going to keep this to myself, but I will now mention that I was the second to PM Aman, and he told me he had a Jeskiri pendant. I think this was protection for if someone scanned him and saw cultist. I don't think he gave anyone his role, and he and Bort just coordinated in the doc.

 

I would say that his defense of me probably was forced. I had all but outed him in the main thread as a potential threat.

And yes, Aman, I was saying I didn't believe you, but then you should have figured that one out by now, what with all my repeated requests for proof. I'd like to believe you, but it's Sanderson Elimination. Don't trust anyone without verification.

@Kidpen It does that with me sometimes. Sometimes it deletes the entire post. Sometimes it only deletes part of it. I assume it has something to do with the site autosave.

Also, for the record, Priest was the role Aman claimed to me in PM with him yesterday.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Bort
Adding on new replies instead of multiposting

[Arinian]

9 minutes ago, Bort said:

Arinian, after rereading the post in which you voted for me, you start off saying that you see my points, then you talk about how honest Joe is, then about how he has joked in the thread of earlier games about being in the eliminator doc. How is falsely claiming to be an eliminator 'being honest'? What happens in the game where Joe is an eliminator? Would it be 'honest' of him to 'joke' about it in the main thread then? This is what I was talking about yesterday about complacency. People keep making those jokes, then what happens when they are an eliminator? They crack the joke, and everyone just accepts it, because if it keeps happening, it is habit forming.

Well I probably explained it not in right way, I don't remember Joe making posts like that and but when he analyzing even when he elim he tries to put part of truth in his analyzes, that's what I meant. 

Edit. Anyway I should go right now will be back couple hours later... probably?

Edited April 12, 2018 by Arinian

[Kidpen he/him]

@Amanuensis Alright, what would your master plan have been. And I'm sorry. Unless you are elim.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Bort said:

 

I would say that his defense of me probably was forced. I had all but outed him in the main thread as a potential threat.

And yes, Aman, I was saying I didn't believe you, but then you should have figured that one out by now, what with all my repeated requests for proof. I'd like to believe you, but it's Sanderson Elimination. Don't trust anyone without verification.

What Bort wanted me to do was scan him to confirm my role. I tried explaining why that's a bad idea, but he insisted.

Why is it a bad idea?

Let's say I lied and I'm not a Korathi Priest, but a Jeskeri. In this scenario I know Bort's faction (Citizen of Arelon). Therefore in order to keep up my lie I only need to guess one thing; is Bort a Derethi Convert or not. Percentage chance of him being a Convert at the start is incredibly low, so if I were lying I'd just say he's not. Only way I get caught in this scenario is if Bort is a Convert.

What did I want to do?

Get as many Seon holders as possible to contact me and decide which of them is the most suspicious and scan them. In games with specific items/roles that allow for PMs, the elims tend to have one in order to gather information and manipulate the village behind the scenes. If it turned out that they were village, then great! I can say in thread "Hey player with Aon Teo, please send me a PM again" and then inform them of the scan. If they're revealed to be an eliminator I can say "Hey player with Aon Opa, please send me a PM again" and tell them I found an elim, in order to keep my identity a secret and keep them lynched.

Instead I get essentially outed due to villager paranoia, and worse off, that player was about to die. Meaning everything I planned was for nothing.

So yeah. Of course I'm going to interfere with that lynch.

[Bort he/him]

7 minutes ago, Arinian said:

Well I probably explained it not in right way, I don't remember Joe making posts like that and but when he analyzing even when he elim he tries to put part of truth in his analyzes, that's what I meant. 

As has already been said, your grammar isn't great. I'm sorry to say this if English isn't your first language, but that could be what caused any misunderstanding. Your post said something like how I wouldn't know that Joe had done something like this before (something along those lines), almost immediately after you say he is honest. When you say he is honest, you mean he includes truth in his lies, Lightweaver style, to make them difficult to detect. True, but incomplete or misleading.

I still think your logic for voting on me was just as flimsy as mine for voting for Joe, but yours was one in many placed on me, not the sole vote on someone.

Edit: So, Aman, are you still on for scanning me tonight?

Edited April 12, 2018 by Bort

[Amanuensis he/him]

Way I see it, if Bort was Jeskeri, he wouldn't try to throw me under the bus. His entire team would already know my role and kill me tonight regardless. 

[Bort he/him]

I kept trying to tell Aman, his read of me wasn't for him, it was for me, to prove that he is a Priest. I am the only person who I definitely know the alignment of, so I wanted him to confirm it back to me. Then I would know I could trust his scans.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[Kidpen he/him]

Just for the record, scanning Bort would get rid of non of my fears. I more or less trust @TheYoungPyromancer. If he is fine with that, that is a good compromise. Just to be clear, I don't trust him anywhere near totally. Just a tiny bit more than most other people. I don't particularly care one way or another if you scan me. 

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, Bort said:

I kept trying to tell Aman, his read of me wasn't for him, it was for me, to prove that he is a Priest. I am the only person who I definitely know the alignment of, so I wanted him to confirm it back to me. Then I would know I could trust his scans.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

I listened to his justifications. “I apologize, but dio brandos logic is impeccable. Yours has more holes than Swiss cheese caught in a bar shootout.”

[Amanuensis he/him]

I get where you're coming from Bort. But I tend to assume I operate on a 3-night lifespan, max. My goal is finding the evil people  not proving myself. In my opinion, sniffing out the elims is the surest way to prove I'm good. 

[Eternum he/him]

2 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

I listened to his justifications. “I apologize, but dio brandos logic is impeccable. Yours has more holes than Swiss cheese caught in a bar shootout.”

Enerin squints at Steel, tilting his head. "How, exactly, do you know about guns? How do I know about guns?"

[Bort he/him]

2 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

I listened to his justifications. “I apologize, but dio brandos logic is impeccable. Yours has more holes than Swiss cheese caught in a bar shootout.”

Well, who else was I supposed to get him to scan? The point of the exercise was so he could prove he is a Priest. He can't do that unless he scans someone, can he? And I know of no-one else's alignment, so asking him to scan someone else kind of defeats the point. What holes are there in that logic?

"Ah, Aman, you claim to be a Priest. Please scan Steeldancer for me, so I can know you are telling me the truth." - Will work, how exactly?

Yes, it might be possible for him to guess when reading he'll get from me, but if he was reading you, and telling me, he could have just made something up, and I would have no way of checking.

So... faulty logic, where?

 

[Lord Meeker he/him]

Hey, I forgot to say this, but I am glad you are alive Bort.

[Bort he/him]

4 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I get where you're coming from Bort. But I tend to assume I operate on a 3-night lifespan, max. My goal is finding the evil people  not proving myself. In my opinion, sniffing out the elims is the surest way to prove I'm good. 

I don't suppose it matters now, since you've outed yourself as a Priest. I was offering you a way to remain anonymous, and therefore, protected.

Edit: Lol, thanks Mraize. Me too

Edited April 12, 2018 by Bort

[Amanuensis he/him]

4 minutes ago, Bort said:

I don't suppose it matters now, since you've outed yourself as a Priest. I was offering you a way to remain anonymous, and therefore, protected.

The biggest thing is that even without that knowledge, I tend to be more active than most and that immediately draws a target on my back. Anonymous or no, I doubt I would have lived long enough to make it worth it. Scanning you is one less scan on an already short list.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Amanuensis

[Kidpen he/him]

Wait, Aman, how did the pendant reveal ruin your plan? You could of run it just as well as before.