Long Game 44: Shadows of Elantris Redux

[Amanuensis he/him]

TBH, with all the pendants in the game I don't think that I'm the only Priest, either. I just want to survive tonight really. Perfectly fine with dying tomorrow. Though I'd prefer Elantris

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

There were more than one in the last game.

[little wilson she/her]

Kainae stared at her latest painting. It was unlike anything she'd ever done before. Her work was more in the abstract realm, open to interpretation, but this. This was....not. And yet, she found she rather liked it. Landscapes. Maybe she should try more of them.

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Okay. I really dislike that Aman is now outed and I think the reasoning behind it was terrible. Even if you're wary about someone, you don't reveal them C1 when they've roleclaimed Priest. And honestly, I don't know many people who would waste a scan like that just to prove their role when there are others they can scan and also still prove their role. I get wanting to be certain, but even if he's lying, it wouldn't be hard to fake if you're asking him to scan you. If he's lying, he'd be Jeskeri and therefore he'd know his teammates and know that you are not one of them. So that's Jeskeri crossed off right there. And I don't think the priest scan sees converts, since being a convert doesn't change your alignment. You'd only be Derethi if you were the Gyorn or Odiv. So therefore, if he's guessing, he's guessing Citizen of Arelon, and if he's wrong, you're only one person and you have no ability to kill so...

Aman's life now had a very short timer on it. We will be losing our Priest by cycle 3 at the latest. I highly doubt we have more than one village Jindo, because there were two in the first game and the two were broken together since they just protected each other and kept foiling the Jeskeri kills over and over again. I know that was one of the things Hero wanted to fix this time, and therefore, the village likely only has one. Assuming the Jeskeri attack Aman tonight and the Jindo saves him, the Jindo will be recovering tomorrow night and Aman will be open to die. Bye bye priest. And I doubt there's a second priest, though I suppose it's possible, particularly if there's only a single Jindo. I definitely do not think there are two priests and two Jindo.

Anyway, assuming Aman is the only priest, we're not too bad off on the Jeskeri side. Sure, village analysis catching eliminators has been somewhat lost, but bring forced to analyze to catch them can help that. Honestly, though, it's not the Jeskeri that worry me. They're a normal elim team. We've had plenty of practice finding those. The Derethi though? Right now, there's a single Gyorn and catching 1 in 25 is difficult. Even with the Odiv, it won't be much easier. Even worse, they can convert two a night and their win con is merely to convert all players. Converts stay secret unless they reveal, and the only way to slow down their win con is lynch converts, it now the Jeskeri to kill converts because if we don't lynch converts an the Jeskeri don't kill converts, that's at least 4 people toward their goal every cycle.  Now, my math may not be great, but I'm pretty sure that means they win by cycle 7.

I fully plan on trying to catch Jeskeri, but I'm not at all confident about catching the Gyorn and if Aman is the only priest, I think we're going to be in trouble.

[Kidpen he/him]

The Jindo is probably gonna defend Aman. That might mean they don't target Aman, but oh well.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

3 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Kainae stared at her latest painting. It was unlike anything she'd ever done before. Her work was more in the abstract realm, open to interpretation, but this. This was....not. And yet, she found she rather liked it. Landscapes. Maybe she should try more of them.

 

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Okay. I really dislike that Aman is now outed and I think the reasoning behind it was terrible. Even if you're wary about someone, you don't reveal them C1 when they've roleclaimed Priest. And honestly, I don't know many people who would waste a scan like that just to prove their role when there are others they can scan and also still prove their role. I get wanting to be certain, but even if he's lying, it wouldn't be hard to fake if you're asking him to scan you. If he's lying, he'd be Jeskeri and therefore he'd know his teammates and know that you are not one of them. So that's Jeskeri crossed off right there. And I don't think the priest scan sees converts, since being a convert doesn't change your alignment. You'd only be Derethi if you were the Gyorn or Odiv. So therefore, if he's guessing, he's guessing Citizen of Arelon, and if he's wrong, you're only one person and you have no ability to kill so...

Aman's life now had a very short timer on it. We will be losing our Priest by cycle 3 at the latest. I highly doubt we have more than one village Jindo, because there were two in the first game and the two were broken together since they just protected each other and kept foiling the Jeskeri kills over and over again. I know that was one of the things Hero wanted to fix this time, and therefore, the village likely only has one. Assuming the Jeskeri attack Aman tonight and the Jindo saves him, the Jindo will be recovering tomorrow night and Aman will be open to die. Bye bye priest. And I doubt there's a second priest, though I suppose it's possible, particularly if there's only a single Jindo. I definitely do not think there are two priests and two Jindo.

Anyway, assuming Aman is the only priest, we're not too bad off on the Jeskeri side. Sure, village analysis catching eliminators has been somewhat lost, but bring forced to analyze to catch them can help that. Honestly, though, it's not the Jeskeri that worry me. They're a normal elim team. We've had plenty of practice finding those. The Derethi though? Right now, there's a single Gyorn and catching 1 in 25 is difficult. Even with the Odiv, it won't be much easier. Even worse, they can convert two a night and their win con is merely to convert all players. Converts stay secret unless they reveal, and the only way to slow down their win con is lynch converts, it now the Jeskeri to kill converts because if we don't lynch converts an the Jeskeri don't kill converts, that's at least 4 people toward their goal every cycle.  Now, my math may not be great, but I'm pretty sure that means they win by cycle 7.

I fully plan on trying to catch Jeskeri, but I'm not at all confident about catching the Gyorn and if Aman is the only priest, I think we're going to be in trouble.

I agree.  

[Amanuensis he/him]

I do find out if people are Converts, Wilson. Priest gets Faction + Conversion Status, but no roles. That said, Kid, the way Jindo works is they're only exhausted if they succeed. If I'm not attacked tonight, then I'm guaranteed three turns.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Amanuensis
Changed 'an extra' to 'three'

[Kidpen he/him]

Oh. WelI do want to ask, how does lynching converts  help slow down derethi win condition?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Kidpen said:

Oh. WelI do want to ask, how does lynching converts  help slow down derethi win condition?

Technically doesn't slow it, just stop things from hastening. If we kill a non-Convert over a Convert that's one less person they need to get.

[Kidpen he/him]

Ah, right. That makes sense.

[Amanuensis he/him]

My orders are in, by the way. Got 2 hours until turn over so I might change it. That said, I'm relatively satisfied with my decision.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I hope you aren't murdering me...

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

I hope you aren't murdering me...

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I just thought of something.  It is kind of sad, but I will do it.  I think it is kind of clever.

EDIT:  Or maybe not.  I might not do it.  we will see.

Edited April 12, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer

[Amanuensis he/him]

If it is what I think it is, go for it

[Kidpen he/him]

4 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

I just thought of something.  It is kind of sad, but I will do it.  I think it is kind of clever.

This scares me.

Edit: The edit doesn't make me feel any better.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Kidpen

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

It is the thing we talked about in the pm that I used emojis next to.

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

 

This scares me.

Edit: The edit doesn't make me feel any better.

No cause for concern.

...

Unless you're evil 

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Should I do the thing you said you wanted?

[Amanuensis he/him]

It would help a lot, honestly, but I know you've considered other plans and I don't want to tell you what to do. Make the call you'll be happiest with

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Because the plan might benefit you, but I may want to do a different plan.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Don't want to say much more in order to prevent details from being revealed, but I would recommend making a list of pros and cons for each. Think about the short and long term benefits, how players (particularly the Jeskeri) might react. Ruminate on it for about an hour, then make your decision. We've got time.

[Walin he/him]

Alright, I have been called in as a pinch hitter. However, I forgot to check my messages and look through the thread so I will be stepping in now, and figuring out who I'm stepping in for later. As in, a couple of minutes from now.

 

EDIT: Ah, it's Honey Badger. I'm catching up on analysis still, so I'll do a bit of action before the cycle ends soon.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Walin

[Amanuensis he/him]

Welcome, friend. It kills me that I can't read the text of your avatar 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

Welcome @Walin. You are pinch hitting for The Honey Badger.

[Walin he/him]

It's just an essay about...actually, I forgot. I think it's cross country. Also, ninja'd Devotary by a span of seconds.

 

EDIT: Okay, now I know my character, and items (or lack thereof), but I still feel a bit inexperienced with this right now. I probably won't get anything up before the end of the cycle so I'm having this as my last post, excluding edits.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Walin