Eternum he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Wait nvm I was going by legends vote tally but turns out it's way off
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, livinglegend said: I apologize if this is answered elsewhere, but does the game end as soon as one of the fourteen factions reaches their goal? On page 5 of the signup thread, Seonid said that Quote None of the factions can win together, although some of the Shards can have cooperative victories with the factions. I assume this means that not all the Shards have win conditions that trigger the end of the game. 2 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: Could someone please present a numbered list of the accusations against me? I am not even completely sure what they are. I can try. I may be misinterpreting these people, so everything outside of the quote boxes is not necessarily what they meant. Judging from people's posts this cycle, they are 1. From MonsterMetroid:You claimed you weren't Survival early, only claiming when you thought you would be lynched. Quote TLDR After rereading night zero and day one I believe that Pyromancer is not survival but he either is Khriss or was converted night zero, as the votes were piling up against him he got assistance from the doc for a plan to survive which was to claim to be survival, as I don't see the current survival revealing their win con so easily. 2.From Hemalurgic Headshot:You can use Hoid's Investiture to fake being Survival. Quote Metroid then accuses Pyro of being Khriss. However, I think that Pyro is Hoid. One key point: Pyro suggests, using the premise of Survival, that current Shardholders pass their shards to him in order for them to keep their village win-con. He then claims that he will pass them back the next cycle. This catches my attention, because this aligns more with Hoid's win condition than Kriss's. By luring other players into passing him Shards, he then can take the opportunity to Fuse them together. Additionally, being Hoid appears like holding a Shard. Hoid is immune to conversion and investment by Shards, and has charges of investiture from every Shard, and could burn them if needed to appear like Survival. And why would the real Survival counterclaim, like Elbereth said, when this provides a convenient distraction? 3.From Randuir:Survival wouldn't have gone for Odium Quote The longer I think about it, the less pyro's stated actions seem to match his stated win-con. Taking form Autonomy I can understand if he wanted a way to find Odium if Odium went on a shard-killing rampage, but taking investiture from Odium himself just doesn't match up, as it icnreases the chance of Odium getting out early and isn't of that much use if your win-con is surviving 4.From me:If you wanted to create PMs as you've claimed repeatedly, Autonomy and Odium would not be good Shards to go for. Quote Later, after he claimed Survival, he said that he instead went for Autonomy and Odium, neither of which can be proved. Both of those Shards had been discussed as possible targets for theft. Fifth Scholar in particular suggested that villagers steal from those two Shards. It seems that if creating PMs was truly Pyromancer's goal, he would have gone for neglected Shards such as Dominion, Devotion, or Endowment, which had been labelled as Shards to not go for, or go for Cultivation herself. 5.From Eternum: Sart's swing to Straw looks like an attempt to save a teammate. 41 minutes ago, Eternum said: Now, let's see. The lynch did move away very quickly, and I suspect that, at this point, both elim factions are involved. Straw is an elim, Pyro is an elim, and possibly Sart, given what he just posted. What I think happened is: Village starts lynch on Straw> Teammate of Straw tries to change the lynch target to Pyro> Pyro lynch gains momentum> Teammate of Pyro (Sart) tries to lynch Straw again.
Stick. she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Out of curiosity, @TheYoungPyromancer, why did you role claim you save yourself on D1 when you could've just easily survived the lynch if you really are Survival? Oh and @livinglegend despite your edit, it's still off You haven't updated the Straw votes.
livinglegend Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Yeah, sorry. I decided to scrap it and go back from the start. This should be better. TheYoungPyromancer (9): Monster Metroid,Hemalurgic Headshot, Straw, Randuir, Fifth Scholar, Steeldancer, Jondesu, Eternum, Livinglegend Straw (4): Drake Marshall, Stick, Sart, TheYoungPyromancer Hemalurgic Headshot (2): Elbereth, Arinian Arinian (1): Bard @Eternum Did you ever retract your votes on the Sand Lord or on Straw, because that may alter the results a little. Not enough to really count, but there you have it.
Eternum he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I.. didn't. Oops. Well, my final vote is on Straw, so what's the point?
livinglegend Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Meh. My count might be off by one. That's all. Like I said it doesn't change much. Even Autonomy can't do much here.
Young Bard he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Gah. I trust Pyromancer's claim, so I'll swap my vote from Arinian to HH to try and stop that hammer, not that I think it will do any good. At least I think Pyro will survive today, but this is the second cycle in which the village will get no information from today's lynch. During rollover, I'm going to read through how the Pyromancer bandwagon started again, because I'm sure someone there had an interest in 1) shutting off useful information and 2) driving discussion away from where it would be useful. I also have a suspicion of Straw, but that might change on the reread.
Young Bard he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Gah. I missed that Straw had more votes again. Excellent. Straw HH EDIT: (Sorry for the double post - I wanted to make sure that Seonid caught the vote switch so close to rollover. ) Edited March 22, 2018 by Young Bard
livinglegend Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I'd consider switching my vote as close as this is, but that would tie the vote and I'd rather attempt to lynch someone I think holds survival for the marginal information instead of tying it up and losing that opportunity.
Seonid he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Night Two - Survivor of Silverlight “Today, I received notice of several complaints made against a researcher,” said Finn Scholz, a smile playing on his lips. “Mr… er...‘Kelsier’, please stand up. You are accused of stealing Investiture from Odium and of bragging about your theft of the Shard Survival. What do you have to say about yourself?” From among the crowd, a man stood up. His arms were lined with long white scars, and he had a scarf tied around half his face that barely covered up the spike poking out from his eyesocket. Around him, people murmured. Kelsier. Lord of the Mists. Savior of Scadrial. Or a cosplayer with really poor taste. The Survivorists watched him intently, some with fervent devotion in their eyes, others with rage that someone would appropriate their god in such a way. Kelsier grinned lazily. “Why Scholz, I never said anything of the sort.” He gestured with his arms. “I said that I am Survival. Even the Lord Ruler wasn’t enough to kill me.” Finn beckoned to an aide and whispered something. After a few moments, the aide scurried offstage. Finn turned back to the crowd. “Mr. Kelsier, your accusers claim differently. Let us hear from them now. First shall be Met, who has been with us for many, many years.” Met stood up. “Well, I was in the break room when I heard him boasting that with the power of Survival he could live through everything. I said obviously that’s not true, because nobody can live forever, that’s just the way the Cosmere works…” he continued on, describing a long argument between him and Kelsier. Next was Elaria. “Early this morning, in one of the indoor gardens…” Finn ran through the list of accusers, Willie, and Nolan and Steel and all the others. “As you can see,” said Finn, smiling triumphantly, “this individual has clearly admitted his guilt…” The aide came back, with a note in his hand. Finn took it. For a moment, he blanched slightly, then exchanged some furiously whispered words with the aide. “Mr…whoever you may be,” he began, looking as if he had been forced to swallow a putrid sock, “it appears as if this is not the right investigation for you, and we are wasting our time here.” His left hand clenched in a fist. “However, using my power as the Deputy Vice Chancellor of Silverlight Polytechnic University, I will refer you to the Office of Religious Life for religious harassment with your claims that you are the Lord of the Mists. Begone.” --- Later that day, Matty Doer, Aide to the Deputy Vice Chancellor of SilverPoly, stopped by a recycling bin and stuck his arm inside. He fumbled around for a while before pulling out a balled-up piece of paper, which he opened. He reread it, looking at those words that weren’t his but had come out of his pencil anyways. He wasn’t going mad. Was he? Working for Scholz was stressful, but not thatstressful… Maybe I should take a vacation, Matty thought. Yeah, a nice long break. That sounds good. He shredded the note and tossed it into the recycling bin, dreaming of sandy beaches under blue skies. --------------------------- TheYoungPyromancer was lynched, but survived! Patji (aspect of Autonomy) has joined the game on Scadrial! Vote Count: TheYoungPyromancer (9): Eternum, Fifth Scholar, Hemalurgic Headshot, Jondesu, livinglegend, MonsterMetroid, Randuir, Steeldancer, Straw Straw (6): Drake Marshall, Sart, Stick, TheYoungPyromancer, Young Bard, Anonymous Hemalurgic Headshot (3): Arinian, Elbereth, Magestar The Night will last for: Player List: Young Bard - Jeral Arinian - Eilen Eternum - Habrian Fifth Scholar - Darrel randuir - Met Steeldancer - Steeldancer and Eobard Thawne Straw - Straw Jondesu - Quintus Droughtbringer - Ralar Devotary of Sponteneity - Reed livinglegend - Unnamed Character 3 A Joe in the Bush - Locke Tekiel MonsterMetroid - Willie Magestar - Moro Hemalurgic_Headshot - Jiamo Megasif - Mega Sart - Sam Taswell TheYoungPyromancer - Kelsier _Stick_ - Stick shanerockes - Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III Drake Marshall - Everen Elbereth - Elaria The Sand Lord (Nalthis) Patji (Scadrial) Edited March 22, 2018 by Seonid 9
Seonid he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 GM note: Orlok has dropped out of the game. Please welcome A Joe in the Bush as a pinch hitter! 4
Stick. she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 How many of us suspected this would happen if we lynched Pyro? Basically all of us. Have we gotten any substantial information? I don't think we have. Pyro could still be Survival or literally anybody with an extra life. Would I have preferred even a Sand Lord lynch over this one? Probably. Anyway, @TheYoungPyromancer you didn't respond to any of my questions aimed at you last turn, so maybe do that whenever you can.
Eternum he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: How many of us suspected this would happen if we lynched Pyro? Basically all of us. Have we gotten any substantial information? I don't think we have. Pyro could still be Survival or literally anybody with an extra life. Would I have preferred even a Sand Lord lynch over this one? Probably. You realize that the only way Pyro could have survived a lynch is by using Preservation's Investiture. We know he hasn't taken any of Preservation's investiture (IIRC, at the very least.). Vessels, on the other hand, can not survive a lynch as they would a normal attack. So the only conclusion here is that Pyro started with a charge of Preservation's investiture, which makes him Hoid. Edited March 22, 2018 by Eternum
Stick. she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Eternum said: You realize that the only way Pyro could have survived a lynch is by using Preservation's Investiture. We know he hasn't taken any of Preservation's investiture (IIRC, at the very least.). Vessels, on the other hand, can not survive a lynch as they would a normal attack. So the only conclusion here is that Pyro started with a charge of Preservation's investiture, which makes him Hoid. No, I'm pretty sure they also could've used Survival's investment thing to gain protection. I suppose what we can hope for now is Odium killing Pyro this turn, and they should die since their protection has been used up by surviving the lynch. Edited March 22, 2018 by _Stick_
Eternum he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: No, I'm pretty sure they also could've used Survival's investment thing to gain protection. I suppose what we can hope for now is Odium killing Pyro this turn, and they should die since their protection has been used up by surviving the lynch. I thought that extra life was only for the night cycle, and didn't apply to surviving a lynch. @Seonid, care to chime in? Would Survival's Investment action protect the Vessel from a lynch?
Seonid he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 Survival gains their extra life during the day, instead of their investment action. It lasts until the end of the night.
DeTess she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, _Stick_ said: How many of us suspected this would happen if we lynched Pyro? Basically all of us. Have we gotten any substantial information? I don't think we have. Pyro could still be Survival or literally anybody with an extra life. Would I have preferred even a Sand Lord lynch over this one? Probably. Actually, given all the doubt that was there about his claim, I'd say that we've definitely learned something, namely that he's either survival, or a primary target. If he isn't survival, then the actual survival could start deciding whether to work to get rid of him. This lynch (once again) didn't end with a death, but it did result in us confirming Pyro's story at least partly. Did we learn as much as we could have from a straw lynch? Maybe, maybe not. Lynching Straw would definitely have been more informative if he'd been an elim, but I don't think we'd have learnt more than we did this cycle if he'd been village. 2 minutes ago, Seonid said: Survival gains their extra life during the day, instead of their investment action. It lasts until the end of the night. If Survival loses their extra life during the day, can they burn a piece of preservation to get another life during the night?
Seonid he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, randuir said: If Survival loses their extra life during the day, can they burn a piece of preservation to get another life during the night? Yes
Magestar he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Seonid said: GM note: Orlok has dropped out of the game. Please welcome A Joe in the Bush as a pinch hitter! Oh, thats sad. I hope you get better, Orlok. And I'm really not sure what to make of the events of last cycle. I'm not sure about Straw, still, and Pyro might be Survival, now. It could still be a cover for why they'd survive a lynch, if they were Hoid, but I'm unsure.
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) ...how... Ok what the heck? I worldhopped to scadrial last day, and nobody joined me. How in the world did Autonomy invest without me being aware? They had to create a doc for me, because I was the first one to show up. And I never had the chance to even become a shard. That's thoroughly confusing. Ok, yeah, i double checked the rules, autonomy had to be on scadrial, which only leaves the option that they just never commented on the world doc. Which is freaky. And really annoying. I thought I was all alone there. Edited March 22, 2018 by Steeldancer
DeTess she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: ...how... Ok what the heck? I worldhopped to scadrial last day, and nobody joined me. How in the world did Autonomy invest without me being aware? They had to create a doc for me, because I was the first one to show up. And I never had the chance to even become a shard. That's thoroughly confusing. Ok, yeah, i double checked the rules, autonomy had to be on scadrial, which only leaves the option that they just never commented on the world doc. Which is freaky. And really annoying. I thought I was all alone there. Are you still on Scadrial? If not, since autonomy has two actions, could he have worldhopped to scadrial and planted an aspect in the same turn? Edit: also, get well soon Orlok! Edited March 22, 2018 by randuir
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, randuir said: Are you still on Scadrial? If not, since autonomy has two actions, could he have worldhopped to scadrial and planted an aspect in the same turn? ...no I'm not. Darn. I forgot about the 2 actions thing. That's a little less freaky, but annoying that I could have picked up that bit of information if i had stayed.
Droughtbringer Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Anyone know the longest a game has gone on without a death? (Or equivalent) I don't think we should aim to break it... But I can't believe a game has gone on too long without a death.
Stick. she/her Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Ok, yeah, i double checked the rules, autonomy had to be on scadrial, which only leaves the option that they just never commented on the world doc. Which is freaky. And really annoying. I thought I was all alone there. Each world doc has the list of players on that Shardworld, right? So if it didn't have any other name than your own then isn't it safe to assume nobody else but you was there?
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