[OB] Full Book Reactions / Full Spoilers Thread

[StormingTexan he/him]

11 hours ago, TheLordRuler said:

I thought he was talking about the 10 orders, it made the most sense to me.

Venli wasn't too far away so she might have been included? I don't think that's the case though since he is referring to the 9 in his proximity. Whats the significance of having 10 people? 

I went back and re-read this. In the context he said it he was counting 7- Lift, Szeth, Dalinar, Jasnah, Renarin, Kaladin and Shallan. Then Ash and Taln making it 9. I know there is a lot of speculation that Ash will become a Dustbringer but I see no evidence this has happened or should even be suspected in-world so that leaves two missing Orders Willshapers and Dustbringers.  I know Venli is probably a Willshaper but I think the bond happens after this scene plus in the context I do not think he’s including her regardless. So the 10 was not orders unless I’m missing something.

[StormingTexan he/him]

20 minutes ago, Fulminato said:

young dalinar was a monster, he laid waste in his wake long before the rift part 2, the burning.

and the end of the world his here, if the storming assasin in white want fight for you...

Well of course I want him to fight he’s awesome! But he didn't try to assasinate my nephew or myself and try to kill the captain of my personal guard. I think it’s awesome that Szeth chose his oath to Dalinar and maybe Dalinar can sense the truth in it or something I don’t know. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by StormingTexan

[What's a Seawolf?]

I’ve needed a couple days to process that glorious monstrosity of a book.

It’s the greatest book Brandon’s ever written, and one of the greatest of all time.

Better than WoR and WoK.  As a comp to the only series I consider equivalent, WoT, I’d say the first three books of that series went TEotW>TGH>TDR (1^st>2^nd>3^rd) while for Stormlight I’d say OB>WoR>TWoK.  However for WoT, Jordan’s 4^th and 5^th of the series were two of the three best, both series wise and all time wise.  Will be VERY interesting to see how SA compares going forward, but as of now I’d say SA is on track to top it.

 

Lift

Lift is one of my favorite characters ever, and fast approaching the top 2 Cosmere characters, currently held by the two Mistborn mains.

I LOVE that we don’t have to wait until the back 5 to get more Lift.  She’s in the main story far earlier than I thought she’d be, and Edgedancer is basically required reading at this point.

She first met with Dalinar and talked about butts.  Then she stole his dinner.  Then she convinced the emperor to be reasonable, then she stayed behind to be Awesome in the final battle.

Oh, and her personality IMPRINTED ON NIGHTBLOOD.  Every quote, every interaction with her is fantastic, and I want a book of her interacting with every main and minor character in their everyday lives.

Why oh why was the eating contest between her and Rock off screen?  That needs to be a Novella.  Can you imagine Lift being adopted into Rock’s family?  I can, and it would be the greatest thing ever.

Loved the little quote how she was ‘fairly certain’ Wyndle was not a Voidbringer anymore.  Loved her asking Dalinar, in the midst of an epic battle, if he had any food.  Loved that she is MAKING FRIENDS WITH NIGHTBLOOD.

And something very important I haven’t seen talked about, Lift saw a Voidbringer doing ‘professional’ Edgedancing (on their feet and graceful) and tries to imitate it, realizing she can’t ‘be a kid’ and win.  Huge moment, both for her and for showing us just how awesome Edgedancing can be.

You guys can mock my ‘Lift eats Vasher’s Divine Breath and becomes Returned Awakener Edgedancer Lift wielding Nightblood’ all you want, but it’s happening.  Cultivation foresight + Endowment foresight = that.

 

Kaladin

Speaking of favorite Cosmere characters, Kaladin rounds out the top 4.  Tons of great growth in this book, and as much as I was ready to leap into the air with joy when he said his 4^th oath, I was glad he didn’t.  Worked better for the story and his character.

I still think Kal’s being set up to be the main hero and probable final, noble sacrifice of the first 5 books, but I don’t think that will be the end of him.  (More on that later.)

Oh, and he HAS A BABY BROTHER NOW.  I don’t want to touch on much of the part 1 stuff here, just because I feel like that has been covered fully with the pre-release chapters, but I felt the need to mention that again.  Hopefully Lirin becomes a major player too, would love to see his and Kal’s interactions in the future, especially as Kal becomes the main ‘not all Parsh are evil’ character.

 

Szeth and Nightblood

SZETH PLAYED DODGEBALL!!!

In. The. Air.

I can stop right there but I won’t.  The interaction between these two were great, and after thinking I would not like the Skybreakers, I really like what we saw of them.  I’m not entirely sure I buy that they could have kept themselves secret this whole time, but I guess when you have a mad Herald going about killing like he does, it’s not hard to cover up leaks.

I’m also not sure if I buy all the High Spren these Skybreakers are bonded to siding with Odium, but hopefully that becomes a plot point in the future, and I think it will.  For all we know, maybe the High Spren think it would be better if Odium won.  (I can think of a couple reasons for that to be the case.)

Regardless, great reintroduction to Szeth, Nightblood, and Nightblood’s abilities.

Also, SZETH PLAYED DODGEBALL!!!

 

Bridge Four

Rock’s POV chapter was my favorite in the entire book and one of my favorite things Brandon has ever written.  When he was hurt later in the story I almost lost it, thinking he might be dead.

Love that his family showed up and can’t wait to see more of them interacting with Rock and Bridge 4.

REALLY curious if Rock is on his way to Radianthood.  I’m not even sure if I want him to get a spren, or remain a non-magic character.

Lopen is the Lopen and fantastic in all things.  (Second in command.  Ha.)

Was terrified Skar and Drehy would either be killed after the main characters get teleported to Shadesmar or somehow corrupted by the Parsh.  Happy to see that didn’t happen, unless there are serious shenanigans going on.  (Wouldn’t put it past Brandon.)

I was lukewarm to Teft in the beginning in OB, I think because I expected his problems to have greater implications than just personal problems, but once I came to grips with that, I enjoyed his scenes.

All in all, I would read an entire novel about the everyday lives of Bridge 4.  One of them being in danger hurts more than most main characters.

 

Shallan

Something I haven’t seen talked about much is how the revelation at the end of WoR COMPLETELY changed Shallan, and it was done in such an incredible way.

Story wise, the revelation was not glossed over and had a huge impact, and led Shallan on a fascination path of multiple personalities.  Before the marriage, it really seemed like she may have been on the path to losing Pattern because she became so lost in herself.
 

Despite her current happiness, I see dark things ahead for her character.  Ghostbloods+her brothers finally arriving+mental problems+being married to the happiest, upbeat character in the series?

Yeah, I’m very excited to see what the endgame for her is.

(Crackpot theory:  She never actually solves her multiple personality problem, and thus becomes the perfect candidate to pick up Odium.  It’s all about Intent and how you see things, to a degree right?  Well one of her personalities ‘picks up’ Odium, and the others help keep her in check.  Like I said, not going to happen, but fun to think about.)

 

Dalinar

What a damnation good arc.

I wasn’t as horrified as some here were about the Rift, I guess because I kind of expected worse, and we knew something utterly terrible happened to begin with.  But all of his flashbacks were great, as was his main story.  Truly felt for him at all places, and oh man that battle with Odium.  I really thought he was gonna turn.

The question is what exactly happened to him at the end?  In story someone used capital ‘A’ Ascended, but there’s no way he Mistborn level Ascended.  (I think.)

I like the theory that he said all the Bondsmith oaths in succession rapid fire at the end.  That would help explain a lot.

As Shallan changed significantly because of her WoR truth, I hope a similar change occurs to Dalinar in book 4.  (But on a more positive level this time.)

 

Adolin

I want him to revive his blade so badly.

But I want him to stay as a non-magic character so badly.

But I want Lift to teach him to slide around on his butt so badly.

But I love how he’s the best at being the ‘normal’ superhero in a world increasing not normal.

But Lift! 

Gah!

For the longest time I thought Adolin would die, especially because I believe Brandon has said Adolin was never meant to be a major character, but damnation I love his happiness, upbeat attitude and how he handles most situations.

He’s the perfect foil narrative wise for all the Radiants popping up.

So compromise.

He revives his blade, makes friends with and can talk to Maya, but doesn’t get powers because he is not sufficiently broken.  (True or not just role with it for now.)  Then, when something dark happens to Shallan because that’s almost certainly going to happen, it and THE resulting impacts finally cause the cracks in his soul required for Maya to fully bond.

There, problem solved

 

Jasnah

Did you read that utter domination?

I mean all of it.

Basically every scene she’s in, but especially the part 5 battle, and verbally crushing and utterly smoking Amaram.

Jasnah was a character, who coming in to OB, I didn’t really get the hype for.  She’d done essentially nothing that interested me.

And now she is one of my favorites.  She makes Soulcasting seem like far and away the best Surge.  (And now Wit has unlimited Investiture Soulcasting…think about that.)

Queen Jasnah will be fascinating.  She will put up with exactly ZERO politicking and general bs.

 

Cosmere Implications

Oh boy.  I LOVE LOVE LOVE that Stormlight is not as standalone as Brandon originally said.  It truly looks like it’s going to be a major turning point Cosmere wide, and it would have been weird for that to happen without outside SA forces present.

Azure was great.  I was disappointed in myself for not recognizing her until the color statement.  Can’t wait to see what Vasher did to tick her off and what’s up with Nightblood 2.0.

I really think Endowment and Cultivation are working together in some way.  Perhaps unknowingly, but they’re both trying to take out Odium.

Speaking of Odium, damnation!  Not a one dimensional villain at all.  Here’s to hoping we get more screentime for him outside of battle scenes.

And speaking of battle scenes, what happened in this book was a lot of what I thought it would take the whole first 5 to get too.  Talk about exceeding expectations and leaving a ton of mystery for both books 4 and 5 and the SA as a whole.

 

What was missing?

Really only two things.

The Recreance felt weak.  Maybe we Sharders speculated too hard, but that revelation would have cause the KR of old to kill their spren?  We're talking relationships that were probably greater and longer than Kaladin/Syl, and ALL OF THEM shattered that relationship just because of that revelation?  Not buying it.  There's more there than what we've been told.

I still think it has something to do with the Nahel Bond imitating the Oathpact upon death, and leading to Braize.  We know (I think) there's something wrong with the Roshar afterlife.  (I still think Kaladin dies in book 5, but remains in the back 5 books as the major afterlife POV.)  

The other was a scene or two with Szeth and the other characters who spent two books in utter fear and/or hatred of him.  I get in the midst of an epic apocalyptic battle you're not going to question the Assassin in White mysteriously coming back from the dead and fighting for your side.  But if not at the end of OB, then in the beginning of book 4 we need at least some Dalinar/Navani/Kaladin interaction with him.

 

Oh, and I would remiss if I did not mention…

Taln and Ash

When I first heard these two would be getting back 5 books I was a little disappointed.

HA!

Was I wrong.  Taln is the man and I loved Ash’s POV’s, despite the small amount.  Hopefully they too become big players in the front 5, instead of having to wait until the back.

 

Wit

Loved the Shallan scenes that humanized him.

And as mentioned…he can Soulcast now.  Combine that with his other Investitures and what we know about combining Investiture sources…I’m pretty sure he now has unlimited Soulcasting.

That seems…powerful.  Absurdly so.

 

There is so much more I can write about because damnation this book had so much depth, but for now that's enough.

*Begins formalizing Returned Awakener Edgedancer Lift with Nightblood theory*

[Fulminato he/him]

14 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

Well of course I want him to fight he’s awesome! But he didn't try to assasinate my nephew or myself and try to kill the captain of my personal guard. I think it’s awesome that Szeth chose his oath to Dalinar and maybe Dalinar can sense the truth in it or something I don’t know. 

szeth is a man of honor, he speak of his 'condition' (truthless) a couple of time to kaladin and dalinar, and I suppose navani and her scholar had digging in the shin culture to learn about this thing.

obvs i hope in the next book the fact will be analized in detail. but for the end of this book i think si fine.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Fulminato

[StormingTexan he/him]

So I can be a little dense sometimes picking up subtle things but was Ash destroying art depicting her because of her guilt of sending Taln to uphold the Oathpact himself? Like she didn’t want herself to be seen as someone to worship?

Also regarding Taln what was Brandon’s comments about him possible not being the person he claimed to be all about? It seems pretty apparent from Ash that he is Taln... Did I miss something or are we just not know enough about him yet? Btw his one coherent line was amazing. I really want to undestand why he wasn’t supposed to be a Herald.

[What's a Seawolf?]

Just now, StormingTexan said:

So I can be a little dense sometimes picking up subtle things but was Ash destroying art depicting her because of her guilt of sending Taln to uphold the Oathpact himself? Like she didn’t want herself to be seen as someone to worship?

Also regarding Taln what was Brandon’s comments about him possible not being the person he claimed to be all about? It seems pretty apparent from Ash that he is Taln... Did I miss something or are we just not know enough about him yet? Btw his one coherent line was amazing. I really want to undestand why he wasn’t supposed to be a Herald.

On Ash, yes.  I believe it was both guilt on abandoning Taln and abandoning the Oathpact in general.  She felt she was not worthy of being worshiped. 

Brandon's comments on Taln were almost certainly a means of poking fun at us Sharders/superfans to keep us guessing.  I love that he does little things like that.

[ericth]

11 hours ago, TheLordRuler said:

Haha same, Jasnah was far better at dealing with the Fused than Szeth and Kaladin. I wonder what Elsecaller squires are capable of. 

I suspect part of it is how much stormlight she had access to during the early part of that fight.  With an unlimited power budget I'm sure she's capable of some pretty incredible stuff.

[Fulminato he/him]

1 hour ago, StormingTexan said:

So I can be a little dense sometimes picking up subtle things but was Ash destroying art depicting her because of her guilt of sending Taln to uphold the Oathpact himself? Like she didn’t want herself to be seen as someone to worship?

Also regarding Taln what was Brandon’s comments about him possible not being the person he claimed to be all about? It seems pretty apparent from Ash that he is Taln... Did I miss something or are we just not know enough about him yet? Btw his one coherent line was amazing. I really want to undestand why he wasn’t supposed to be a Herald.

because some true information need to be obscured to make some other information 'murky'. if we had rafo only for the correct answer it will be spoil all the future book.

25 minutes ago, ericth said:

I suspect part of it is how much stormlight she had access to during the early part of that fight.  With an unlimited power budget I'm sure she's capable of some pretty incredible stuff.

and the three realms are realy close, she can peek on shademar without cross the border of the phisical realm.

“Three worlds,” Ivory said. “Slowly splitting apart again, but for now, three realms are close.” “Then let’s make use of it before it fades, shall we?”

Edited November 20, 2017 by Fulminato

[Steeldancer he/him]

12 hours ago, TheLordRuler said:

Another point I forgot to mention earlier on is Vasher and his criminal status. Speculation as to what could have caused this? Maybe Vivenna awakened her blade specifically to hunt Vasher? Also, has Vivenna's shapeshifting expanded beyond hair colour? At one point Adolin mentions her scars fading alongside her hair changing colour.

Vasher isn't the criminal. NIGHTBLOOD is. 

[Blacksmithki]

1 hour ago, StormingTexan said:

Also regarding Taln what was Brandon’s comments about him possible not being the person he claimed to be all about? It seems pretty apparent from Ash that he is Taln... Did I miss something or are we just not know enough about him yet? Btw his one coherent line was amazing. I really want to undestand why he wasn’t supposed to be a Herald.

Taln's original storyline in WoK (prime?) was that he wasn't sure who he was and nobody believed him that he was a herald, it's probably related to that.

[christianlathaire]

This book was awesome! Like most of Sanderson's books, the first two thirds can vacillate between awesome, meh, and even cringeworthy, but then I get to that final third and remember that Brandon is a storming genius. One small complaint I had about the final battle was that some of the jumpcuts seemed a little excessive, almost like the sight gags you see in movies sometimes, like when Lancelot storms the castle in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. But seriously, that finale was insane.

As epic as this story is, though, it's surprising how intimate most of the really powerful scenes are. Teft finally saying his oath, Shallan and Wit trying to put back together the shattered remnants of her soul, Dalinar taking the next step. Dalinar really is that immovable object that meets the unstoppable force and stops it cold. From that first Chasmfiend hunt where he catches and holds the claw, to him holding together the palace in the vision with Venli, to him telling Odium to go to Damnation - you cannot have my pain! Forget shoulder angels/devils, Dalinar's soul has been the staging ground for a decades long turf war of three Gods. Dalinar is probably the only person alive to have personal meetings with Honor, Cultivation, and Odium, and they all thought he was their champion. And that whole "it wasn't you, it was the thrill, it was me" schtick from Odium reminds me a little of Captain America: Civil War when Cap tells Bucky that wasn't you, you were brainwashed, and he says, yeah, But I did it. But that's the whole point of the Cosmere, isn't it? These are broken people, serving broken gods, just trying to take that next step.

I also really loved that Kaladin was saved in the end, not once but several times. I honestly think the fourth Ideal is going to be something like "I will allow others to protect me" or I will allow others to protect themselves" or "I will accept that I cannot protect everyone." It actually kind of reminds me of the Serenity prayer - "God give me the strength to change the things I can change, the courage to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference." Kaladin's struggle has always been learning to let go of the people he failed, and if you look at his inner monologue when he's about to say the words, he thinks of all the people he's failed to save. Kaladin's journey is refuting the hero complex, and I think by the end he's going to have moved beyond the likes of Rand's mantra of all the deaths he's responsible for in the Wheel of Time.

I thought Shallan's arc was more about keeping her head above water than actually making huge strides in character development. She does grow in some very important ways, but it's a long tough slog to sanity for her. Also, I feel like her magical persona/split personalites are a theme that keeps coming up for Brandon, most notable with Legion and Emperor's Soul, but even Wayne has some weirdness going on when he goes into his disguises. Also, I thought there was going to be something more to the Shallan/Pattern conflict resolution. I mean, in the beginning he's practically offering to let her kill him, she can't handle it, and then throughout the book, it seems like Pattern is trying to say stuff and she's tuning him out, but then that never really gets confronted, which is either Shallan being Shallan and avoiding the issue, or this story has about thirty-six plot threads too many and some of them get lost in the shuffle.

Also, I kind of missed the Spren in this book. They were great in Part one, but drifted into the background for much of the rest of the book, even when they became corporeal in Shadesmar. I don't know if Shallan had any meaningful interactions with Pattern, and Kaladin and Syl didn't talk that much outside of logistical stuff. Although, my absolute favorite joke in the whole book (not the funniest, just my favorite) is between Adolin and Pattern when Adolin mentions they're an odd bunch, and Pattern says, Yes. Seven people. Odd. It's so great because neither of them get that it's a joke. As a side note, one of the few times Kaladin and Adolin get into a verbal sparring match, Adolin's retort is you talk like a girl - and that was such a recess on the playground - you play ball like a girl - kind of comment.

Jasnah was great. Supercharged elsecallers are no joke, especially with that cascading quartz soulcasting, where the one guy crashes into the next guy and then the next guy. Also, her refusing to kill Renarin seemed very much a journey before destination move. Honestly, this war is going to be won by consistently refuting utilitarian ethics. The ends never justify the means. Also, due props to Elhokar's growth in this book aside, Jasnah is going to make a much better Monarch than her brother. She doesn't take crap from anybody and she loves telling people what to do. Also, the Vorin church has got to be in shambles at this point. The new Queen of Alethkar and the de facto High King of Roshar are officially heretics, and the King of Jah Keved and Kharbranth just made a deal with the actual devil.

Plus, speaking of Taravangian, that guy is Faust on steroids. His soul has got to be more shredded than Voldemort's. Also, I found his bargaining with Odium to be somewhat reminiscent, in a funhouse mirror kind of way, to Abraham dealing with God over the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Plus, you can really see how justifying your means leaves you with some pretty paltry ends at the and of the day. Sets out trying to save the world, can barely hold on to his own city. Do not try buying a car from Odium.

There were a couple of things that didn't make sense to me. I don't really get how Kaladin "rode the storm" from Urithiru, solidly in the middle of Roshar, to Thaylenah, decidedly on the Eastern edge of Roshar, on a Westbound storm. The only way for me to rationalize this is that the storm spans a good chunk of the continent all at once and he's skimming over the top of the storm as it passes by underneath. Also, the logistics of recharging spheres makes no sense to me. You have to expose the vast majority of the world's currency/lighting/other essential modern conveniences to violent storms once every couple of weeks. How is everyone not robbed blind all the time? Also, the discrediting of Dalinar felt very soap opera-y and weak to me. The whole exposed visions in TWoK had a lot more impact than this did.

I know this post is way too long but I just wanted to end on a couple of idiosyncratic Mormon tidbits. These are a little esoteric but here goes. The civil war in Jah Keved, with thrill-induced wholesale slaughter reminded me a lot of the final chapters of Ether in the Book of Mormon, when the Jaredites self-destruct their whole civilization and kill each other down to the last man. And Cultivation saying that she needs to prune Dalinar to help him grow, reminded me of Elder Hugh B Brown's talk about the currant bush. I'm not trying to preach or anything, just thought I'd point out a couple of things that might have influenced Brandon creatively.

[PeterAhlstrom he/him]

34 minutes ago, christianlathaire said:

I don't really get how Kaladin "rode the storm" from Urithiru, solidly in the middle of Roshar, to Thaylenah, decidedly on the Eastern edge of Roshar, on a Westbound storm. The only way for me to rationalize this is that the storm spans a good chunk of the continent all at once and he's skimming over the top of the storm as it passes by underneath.

Kaladin and Shallan rode the storm from the Shattered Plains to get to Thaylenah.

[What's a Seawolf?]

And one more thing I forgot to add.

When Dalinar, Adolin and Shallan were discussing who should be king after Adolin's refusal, and the text cut to Palona... I thought FOR SURE they were going to appoint Sebarial.

Which may have been the best thing short of Lift.

Jasnah was the next best choice though.

[StormingTexan he/him]

8 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said:

And one more thing I forgot to add.

When Dalinar, Adolin and Shallan were discussing who should be king after Adolin's refusal, and the text cut to Palona... I thought FOR SURE they were going to appoint Sebarial.

Which may have been the best thing short of Lift.

Jasnah was the next best choice though.

I think Brandon got everyone on that. I was laughing as it happened then was like oh Jasnah  that makes a lot more sense. 

[WayneSpren he/him]

6 hours ago, StormingTexan said:

I think Brandon got everyone on that. I was laughing as it happened then was like oh Jasnah  that makes a lot more sense. 

Seberal becoming king would have probably been the greatest plot twist of all of Brandon's books

[StormingTexan he/him]

Dang I keep forgetting this!

 

So that painting that Kaladin looks at in the spren market...

 

 

Quote

 

And yet, nestled among the paintings for display was a small one painted from thick strokes of oil. White and red, with lines of black. When he looked away, he found himself drawn back toward it, studying the way the highlights played off those dark lines.

 

 

Sure is similar to this one..

 

Quote

 

He gave this last painting the time it deserved. The canvas was thick with paint, every inch colored with large, fat strokes of the brush. The predominant hue was a deep red, almost a crimson, that Lightsong immediately knew was a red–blue mixture with a hint of black in it.

 

Clearly Nightblood stole it and that is why Vivenna is after him 

[Nasicus]

My initial thoughts to "what I missed / was not so happy"?

• Why couldn't we here the conversation Kaladin had with Rlain when Rlain told him, he will try to tell him how he feels? I would have been very interested in that...
• Why make Venli the "good guy" and not just make Rlain the Radiant? Or will he maybe somehow become a Windrunner? Find it a little "unfair" since I don't have any pity at all for Venli...and I don't think it's cool that she will be the one who saves the "real parshmens".
• Shallan get the perfect happy ending (for everything: brothers back, she can keep adolin and even marry him, apparently she has her multiple personalities under control etc.) while other characters don't (primary talkign about Kaladin...ok he at least recovered from his failure a little when failing @ Elhokar but still...)
• I felt like the victory they achieved against Odium was too big and to easy. They were so few Radiants and it felt like Odium threw A LOT of trumps against them and they just fixed everything... For me it just felt to easy...I wonder what the "increase in difficutly" in the next battle will be? Of course there will be more Fused's .. and probably the Skybreakers...but what other things can they throw at them? In Dalinars vision (when I remember correctly) one of the worst thing he saw were the "Thunderclasts" and the went down pretty easy

BTW: Lift, Lopen & Szeth (or better Nightblood) 

[Solant he/him]

27 minutes ago, Nasicus said:

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• Shallan get the perfect happy ending (for everything: brothers back, she can keep adolin and even marry him, apparently she has her multiple personalities under control etc.) while other characters don't (primary talkign about Kaladin...ok he at least recovered from his failure a little when failing @ Elhokar but still...)

Girl has had a rough road, she deserves a break, although I suspect it is far from over concerning her particular issues. 

Side note: Every time I read the word "thunderclasts", my brain wants to read it as "Thundercats". Makes for some great visuals. 

Never trust someone who claims to see into the future. (Give me sight, beyond sight!)

[meanfar he/him]

1 hour ago, Nasicus said:

Why couldn't we here the conversation Kaladin had with Rlain when Rlain told him, he will try to tell him how he feels? I would have been very interested in that...

I think it's setting up for the next books. IMO Rlain, Rock and Tefts will all be expanded further down the road.

[Fulminato he/him]

27 minutes ago, meanfar said:

I think it's setting up for the next books. IMO Rlain, Rock and Tefts will all be expanded further down the road.

Sigzil try to kill someone, many time. i want know who and why. he don't seem a person to murder someone for futile motives.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Fulminato

[StormingTexan he/him]

3 hours ago, Solant said:

Side note: Every time I read the word "thunderclasts", my brain wants to read it as "Thundercats". Makes for some great visuals. 

Me too and I sing the song in my head!

[Starla]

4 hours ago, Nasicus said:

Shallan get the perfect happy ending (for everything: brothers back, she can keep adolin and even marry him, apparently she has her multiple personalities under control etc.) while other characters don't (primary talkign about Kaladin...ok he at least recovered from his failure a little when failing @ Elhokar but still...)

I don't think Shallan has her personality issues under control at all. I felt like she was the only character to regress in this book, and am highly concerned for her.

@StormingTexan I talked about that Lightsong painting earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure it's the same one. I love Lightsong so it makes me very happy to see a reference to him here, and that Kaladin was drawn to the same painting.

[Necessary Eagle she/her]

4 hours ago, Solant said:

Side note: Every time I read the word "thunderclasts", my brain wants to read it as "Thundercats". Makes for some great visuals. 

Every time I see the word "Urithiru", my brain wants to read it as "urethra". Not such a great visual.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Starla said:

I don't think Shallan has her personality issues under control at all. I felt like she was the only character to regress in this book, and am highly concerned for her.

Yup. She found some stability in Adolin, but I fear, that she will rely too much on it instead of trying to find inner stability and acceptance of herself.

[StormingTexan he/him]

28 minutes ago, Starla said:

I talked about that Lightsong painting earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure it's the same one. I love Lightsong so it makes me very happy to see a reference to him here, and that Kaladin was drawn to the same painting.

Yeah when I read that it made me think of Lightsong's painting and went back to read the description. Both of their experiences viewing the painting are very similar. Oh and then what the shopkeeper says pretty much seals the deal at the very least it is from the court of gods on Nalthis. 

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“It’s a unique piece, human,” she said. “From the far-off Court of Gods, a painting intended only for a divinity to see. It is exceptionally rare that one escapes being burned at the court, and makes its way onto the market.”

Sanderson, Brandon. Oathbringer: Book Three of the Stormlight Archive (p. 956). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.