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taken. past tense we are basicaly write the same thing over and over. no point in repeat it.

most of the gemstone are about abandon of the tower. i think you should bear the burden of the proof for the idea a few come before that. because if you build a library to withstand ages is because you think will pass ages before is found.

it's the battle for narak at the end of word of radiance

My research into the cognitive reflections of spren at the tower has been deeply illustrative. Some thought that the Sibling had withdrawn from men by intent—but I find counter to that theory. chapter 68 (aim for the sun)

the tower stop to function when the bond between the sibling and melishi broken, and the gemstone archive was made after that moment. other gemstone talk about the plan to imprison ba-ado-mishram, so it's a future event.

the tower was abandoned before the imprisonement of Ba-Ado-Mishram. form Oathbringher: Chapter 69 (free meal, no string): The wilting of plants and the general cooling of the air is disagreeable, yes, but some of the tower’s functions remain in place. The increased pressure, for example, persists. Chapter 79 (Echoes of Thunder): Our revelation is fueled by the theory that the Unmade can perhaps be captured like ordinary spren. It would require a special prison. And Melishi. Chapter 80 (Obvious): Ba-Ado-Mishram has somehow Connected with the parsh people, as Odium once did. She provides Voidlight and facilitates forms of power. Our strike team is going to imprison her. a bit of time passed before the abandon of the tower and the capture of BAM. and i'm reasonably sure no dead eyes was created between the two events.

all the herald abandon their sword and their duty, all minus taln. he, and only he, had hold the oathpact for four millennia, the honorblades are a sign of an oath (different from the shardblade, but still an oath taken), if the madness of the heralds is linked to their divine attributes the root of them lie in the broken oath after Aharietiam. taln mind is shattered in the four and half millennia of torture. I don't think his madness is the same type of the other.

- so in the original plan was saedas sworn to odium and die in the thaylen city battle. in WoR there is a couple o reference of him addicted (like dalinar before evi death) to the trill. for me was better in the original plan, but no double sword figth in this case... - amaram army was formed by untrained and mediocre soldier, the better bach were send to fight in the shattered plains, i don't know if we can gauge his ability to manage and run an army, but in WoR (iirc) is explicit state the efficency of saedas army (and he was one of the best to gem hunting game) was half merit of amaram training.

“I thought you were asking … I mean, in the highprince’s visions, there were women who were Knights Radiant, and with Brightness Shallan…” She blushed. “Sir, I didn’t join the scouts because I liked sitting around staring at ledgers. If that’s what you’re offering, I’ll have to pass.” [Chapter 45 "First into the Sky"] i find the lyn storyline a good match with the renarin one. both fight the vorin gender dichotomy. the early dialogue with shallan follow this track, she ask to shallan how broke the absolute genders rules of the vorin society, and start doing something for 'real' i am very fond of the character, the dialogue between skar and lyn is my favorite in the book.

the oath is about perception, (kaldin-syl dialogue to the end) if you feel to follow your moral code, and your spren agree, there is no problem. gavilar was a warlord cutting his path to kingship through "knives in the back and soldiers on the field" (WoR), saedas usualy procedure for a conquered city was rather harsh, but dalinar and the rift... well was totaly on another scale. ishar placed the oath to bind and shape the progression of the KR, oath after oath his/her power increase, perhaps access to both surge, blade, plate, etc... the skybraker the recruitment i think this can be a good standard, even for order without squire. [the spren wach someone, they talk with the alredy bonded spren, they refer the people to the full knight and it start thier apprenticeship] if any progressive oath don't mark some advancement for the radiant it defile the oath system itself.

become radiant is a road of personal progression. (for most at least) if the bondsmith third oath is about "take responsability of past action" i suppose every bondsmith had his/her share of "skeleton in the closet"

i think is worth something mention of shallan illusion during the Thaylen City battle (and veil & Radiant after) had some 'substance'.she think had added some 'soulcasting' to make the effect.

i suspect the shattering of the shattered plains share something with the destruction of the human's original planet. and find hardly belive is by gravititional surge.

odium is binded by the power of honor and cultivation, the oathpact is a component, remove all the heralds will destroy, o at least huge weakened that cage, “Killing us won’t free you, will it?” Dalinar said. “You could rule us or destroy us, but either way, you’d still be trapped here.”

the pattern of flashback story character for the first three books are pointed to two pivotal point. the first is the juncture between the story before the books and the story of the books, the other is the more psicological event of his/her life. for kaladin the first is the betrayal of amaram and the second the death of tien. for shallan the first is the death of the her father and the second is the death of the her mother for dalinar the first is the trip to the nightwathcer and the second evi's death. for a eshonai/venli book this patter will be follow? and in a affermative answer the two point should be? I think the bridge event between before the book and the book's story is the human discovery, but the second? the 'discovery' of stormform?

in the realm of pure guessing... gold is the color of the king, so sadeas repainted his plate to leave the king's color for gavilar plate

THIS WILL BE YOUR BOON. I WILL NOT MAKE OF YOU THE MAN YOU CAN BECOME. I WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE APTITUDE, OR THE STRENGTH, NOR WILL I TAKE FROM YOU YOUR COMPULSIONS. BUT I WILL GIVE YOU … A PRUNING. A CAREFUL EXCISION TO LET YOU GROW. THE COST WILL BE HIGH. oathbringer chapter 114 "the cost" if dalinar was real only the bloodthristy beast the cultivation works don't changed him. yes the young dalinar was a addicted pitless killer, his aging don't had change him realy much, but... - Dalinar spare Tanalan's son, mercy is a man attribute and a true beast had simply killed mother and son. - he start to ran for kill his brother in the mad lust of battle, but he stop himself a brief after, dalinar was aghast of his action, and that day he vow to himself to never sought his brother throne, a pure beast had simply killed gavilar. - evi's death drove him insane, he hear the same scream szeth hear, because both feel that deaths on their shoulder, deaths avoidable if they were different person, remorse isn't the mark of a beast - he ask to the nightwatcher 'forgiveness'... and after cultivation tell to him the remove of all evi memory "Dalinar squeezed his eyes shut. Evi … He had never deserved her." Evi was right, inside dalinar lie a seed of man, it is real a tragedy she needed to die for blossom it and put dalinar in the road of redemption,

phrasing is important. we know a lightwaver progression is trough selfawareness, speaking the truth of himself. but i don't find even the hint of the number of that truth, can be four, but can be more or less based the life of the lightweaver, i suppose. “Is it true?” Shallan asked, tilting her head all the way back, looking up the side of the enormous tower toward the blue sky high above. “Am I one of them?” “Mmm . . .” Pattern said from her skirt. “Almost you are. Still a few Words to say.” “What kind of words? An oath?” “Lightweavers make no oaths beyond the first,” Pattern said. “You must speak truths.” WoR Chapter 87 "the riddens"

this is a pure guessing, no proof attached this is the path squire -> radiant, like teft o lopen, i think if a high spren starting to bond someone he should be able to drew stormlight after the first oath.

we realy know a lightweaver need to speak exactly four truth? because i find very hard to think any lightweaver of any time had just four hidden lie.

but shallan in WoR is unable to make sound with her illusions. in oathbringer she had done for sure in the thaylenah city battle. this is an advancement, she had spoke the world, but had trouble with it, no much difference from the kaladin's struggle in WoR between his oath to protect and the vengeance over amaram/roshone/elhokar. she need to overcome the pain for progress more, but the truth is the advancement. there is another truth she accept near the end of WoR, the truth of her shardblade being different from the 'normal' other Adolin obeyed, scrambling forward, summoning his Shardblade. He rammed it into the slot, which again flowed to fit the weapon. Nothing happened. “It’s not working,” Adolin shouted. Only one answer. Shallan grabbed the hilt of his sword and whipped it out—ignoring the scream in her mind that came from touching it—then tossed it aside. Adolin’s sword vanished to mist. A deep truth. “There is something wrong with your Blade, and with all Blades.” She hesitated for just a second. “All but mine. Pattern!” WoR Chapter 86 "Patterns of Light" because early in the book “I’m sorry,” Tyn said, voice cold. “I’m going to have to tie this up tight. In a way, I’m proud of you. You fooled me. You’d have been good at this.” Calm, Shallan told herself. Be calm! Ten heartbeats. But for her, it didn’t have to be ten, did it? No. It must be. Time, I need time! WoR Chapter 34 "Blossoms and Cake"

— Collected on Chachabah 1171, 10 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed soldier thirty-one years of age. Sample is considered questionable.[7] This sample is unclear, although I speculate that this is a foreshadowing of Jezrien's murder. 9. “Victory! We stand atop the mount! We scatter them before us! Their homes become our dens, their lands are now our farms! And they shall burn, as we once did, in a place that is hollow and forlorn. ” — Collected on Ishashan 1172, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a lighteyed spinster of the eighth dahn.[15] This rattle appears to refer to humans conquering Roshar and exiling the Dawnsingers to Braize. I disagree with the author here. Again, I see Death Rattles as a forward-looking mechanism. This to me represents the Fused describing their plan for the world as they drive humans back. 10. “Ten people, with Shardblades alight, standing before a wall of black and white and red. ” — Collected on Jesachev 1173, 12 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject an ardent member of the the Silent Gatherers, overheard during his last moments.[16] This to me represents the defense of Thaylenah. The ten would be Dalinar, Kaladin, Szeth, Lift, Teft, Jasnah, Shallan, Renarin, Ash, and Taln. You could easily also argue Venli to replace either Ash or Taln. 13. “He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear! ” — Collected on Vevahach 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a prostitute of unknown background.[19] I think this refers to Dalinar. The title is Bondsmith. The tower is Urithiru, the crown is Dalinar's position as overking. The spear I do not have an explanation for as yet. 15. “A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal. ” — Collected on Palahevan 1173, 73 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a beggar of some renown, known for his elegant songs.[21] This rattle is believed to refer to the Herald Shalash, the daughter of the Herald Jezrien, Herald of Kings and patron of the Order of Windrunners.[22] Shalash is also Baxil's mistress who destroys art, including depictions of a specific Herald, believed to be those of Shalash herself. This sample is particularly interesting. If the Rattles are really forward-looking, this suggests that Shalash has recently started her destruction of artwork. Given that Ishar has only recently ignited a religious war, and that statues of Shalash still exist (as they would likely not after 4,000 years of focused destruction), what have the Heralds been doing and where have they been between the last Desolation and now? 18. “Re-Shephir, the Midnight Mother, giving birth to abominations with her essence so dark, so terrible, so consuming. She is here! She watches me die! ” — Collected on Shashabev 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed dock-worker in his forties, father of three.[25] Foreshadowing of the murders in Urithiru by the Midnight Essence. This could actually be a description of Sadeas' death, as it is the first to be mimicked. 21. “In the storm I awaken, falling, spinning, grieving. ” — Collected on Kakanev 1173, 13 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a city guardsman.[28] This may refer to Szeth during his fight with Kaladin. He falls, spinning through the storm. He grieves for his actions. He is awakened in the storm by Nale when he is revived. 22. “The darkness becomes a palace. Let it rule! Let it rule! ” — Collected on Kakevah 1173, 22 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed Selay man of unknown profession.[29] This refers to the corruption of the Queen of Alethkar by Yelig-nar. 29. “All is withdrawn for me. I stand against the one who saved my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds. ” — Collected on Tanatanev 1173, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed mother of four in her sixty-second year.[37] Refers to Kaladin saving the king from Moash during the storm. I am forced to disagree with this interpretation. While it could be argued that Moash saved Kaladin's life, the description "the one who killed my promises" seems to not fit Elkohar very well. Kaladin also does not raise his hand until after the Stormfather and Syl have a minor disagreement. I personally feel that this fits Dalinar much better, as he is the one most likely to be able to make a storm respond by raising his hand. Also, the "All is withdrawn for me" section seems more inline with an Ascended Dalinar than Kaladin defending Elkohar. 33. “And all the world was shattered! The rocks trembled with their steps, and the stones reached toward the heavens. We die! We die! ” — Observed circa 1173. Subject was Maps, a member of Bridge Four.[41] See also 32. These are likely related. 34. “The day was ours, but they took it. Stormfather! You cannot have it. The day is ours. They come, rasping, and the lights fail. Oh, Stormfather! ” — Collected circa Tanat 1173 by Taravangian. Subject was a young boy.[5] May refer to the final battle at the end of Words of Radiance. If not, likely foreshadows a future battle. 1) jezrien was killed during the night, not the day Moash stepped down out of the Kholinar palace into the shadows of a night that had seemed far too long in coming. [..] Moash’s target was a particular man who sat giggling in the darkness near the back of the gardens. A madman with eye color lost to the night. “Have you seen me?” the man asked as Moash knelt. [...] Moash glanced over his shoulder toward the Fused hanging in the night sky behind the palace. oathbringer chapter 121 "ideals" 9) the fused don't farm, they only fight. i thing more probable the point of view is a 'common' singer. 10) the death rattle we know for sure are rather specific, if ten living blades are named i think we will see ten knight with their blades. and in the battle of Thaylenah city we don't have even ten radiant, (ash and taln don't had bond any spren, venli is only a proto-radiant) and dalinar is a radiant without blade. the color pattern is off too. the color of saedas/meridas army are forest green, the red can be the thrill and the eyes of the soldier, the black can be yelig-nar but the withe? the lack of the green? 13) i think is the moment after kaladin remember the tien's death at the end of WotK, the tower and the crown represent the dalinar army he need saving, the fallen title, the status of KR he find hard to accept and for the spear... their song becoming more frantic. His delusions had seemed like hours, but had passed in just a few heartbeats. NO! Lopen’s litter was in front of Kaladin. A spear rested amid the drained water bottles and ragged bandages, steel head reflecting sunlight. It whispered to him. It terrified him, and he loved it. When the time comes, I hope you’re ready. Because this lot will need you. He seized the spear, the first real weapon he had held since his display in the chasm WotK Chapter 67 "words" 15) in the prologue of WoR the male companion of nale (kalak, i suppose) “I’m worried about Ash.” “You’re worried about everything.” Jasnah hesitated in the hallway. “She’s getting worse,” the voice continued. “We weren’t supposed to get worse. Am I getting worse? I think I feel worse.”, pehraps ash start to destroy deciption of herself not long ago. 18) a huge strech, yes she had copycat some murder but no one had seen the unmade, or one of her creation. re-shephir was only drive out the tower, no one dealt with her for good, i still think this is a future event. 21) this don't make sense for me. the 'aweken' of szeth is after the storm, after he fall to the ground and nearly die, healed by nale. not during the storm. 22) yelig-nar is a 'person size' spren. the shadow of the palace can be sja-anat or ashertmarn. i think is the last, because 'let it rule' don't mach. sja-anat is an 'she' and yelig-nar is a 'he', but ashertmarn is a mindless force leading to excess. 29) this is one of the most ironclad association, moash save the kaladin's life in WotK (Frantic, Kaladin reached the side of the bridge, but something pulled him back. Hands on his shoulder. He stumbled, spinning to find Moash there. [..] Someone stepped up beside him. Moash’s now-clean-shaven face exposed a faded scar along his chin. He studied Kaladin. “About Dunny …” “You were right to do what you did,” Kaladin said. “You probably saved my life. Thank you.” WotK Chapter 53 Dunny) the chapter kaldin was throw in prison and know the roshone affaire is called 'The One Who Killed Promises' and he strech the hand to size sylblade. and “All is withdrawn for me" can have multiple interpretation, the stormlight he cannot take because betrayed his oath, the friendship with moash, revoked for a petty vengance, the bridge four following dalinar in the expedition ... 33) it is a weak interpretation but could refer to the two storm clash, kaladin and szeth see a whole plateau begin ripped and hauled up in the sky 34) i agree, i posted my interpretation in the main 'death rattle' thread in the SA section 13) the kings of radiant is dalinar, only if he die kaladin can take the role, but i don't think this will happens 15) the death rattle talk of the action of a vandal, don't think an similar act can be ascribet to a 'vandal' 31) in the oathbringer prologue Klade hear "a voice" in the rhythms. i think is the most solid lead to the black piper. 32-33) betrayal from the stonewards? what?

i agree, we see a fabrial using the surge of progression (regrow) and transport (oathgate). build a fabrial manipulating the surge of gravitation is in the ability of the fabrial. navani in the Aharietiam vision bully a stoneward in the regard of the regrow fabrial, in that moment he don't understand how works, but i think possibile that event give the key for understand surge-fabrial

1)moash want elhokar dead because he killed (by action and inaction) his grandparent. any other faliure or accomplished of the king are irrilevant. kaladin join the assination scheme because he think elhokar a bad king, but not moash “I only agree,” Kaladin said, “because it’s for the best. For you, Moash, this is about revenge—and don’t try to deny it. I really think it is what Alethkar needs. Maybe what the world needs.” WoR Chapter 66 "Stormblessing" we know the real man beyond the death of the moash's grandparent was roshone, kaldin tell him in that hallway. but he don't even remember the name. his hatred was against elhokar and elhokar alone, the end of the world his here and he don't put any effort on understand the bigger picture. in the end of WoR after greaves reveal a bigger scheme, and bigger player beyond the assasination plot a better man probably will start to ask himself for the righteous of his action, 2) i don't agree. Two overseers were whipping him. Moash seized one by the shoulder and pushed him back. “Stop it!” he snapped, then shoved the other overseer aside. “Don’t you see what you’re doing? You’re becoming like us.” The two overseers stared at him, dumbfounded. “You can’t abuse each other,” Moash said. “You can’t. Oathbringer Chapter 48 "Rhythm of Work" kaladin protect for the sake of protecting, for the people he protect. moash act because he need to see the singer better than human, if that sledge crew was an all human crew he probably never 'think' let aside act to try to stop the abuse. (and if some lighteyes was among them...)

shallan spoke the first ideal long ago. i think someone had teached her the word. WoR Chapter 75