Quick Fix Game 26: Stop the Madness

[Young Bard he/him]

1 minute ago, Elbereth said:

Note: I'm now assisting fRR with this game, so please include me (and Orlok, who's your IM) in PMs and don't be alarmed if I PM you.  

Also, we're going to try to move this game to a more consistent time, probably 9 a.m. MDT / 12 p.m. BST. Given that, the cycle is extended 19 hours, until tomorrow morning: 

Excellent. That rollover time is much more convenient for me.  Thanks.

[firstRainbowRose she/her]

3 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

was Rubix's signup in any way done with the attempt to provide a clue or add flavour to the game, or was it done against your wishes? Eh, while I'm here, may as well... Is there any significance for the purposes of the game that there had to be exactly 31 players at the start of the game?

Question one: PAFO.

Question two: It was semi-arbitrary. It could have been any number of players really.

[Haelbarde he/him]

8 minutes ago, firstRainbowRose said:

Question one: PAFO.

Question two: It was semi-arbitrary. It could have been any number of players really.

Are you able to confirm if you would rule that no valid votes does not count as a tied vote (for purposes of a hypothetical scapegoat)?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@The Young Bard Bless you xD That info is super helpful! I'll still try and get caught up soon and maybe send out some pms.

 

[Ecthelion III he/him]

I don't mean to sound overly cynical, but not having a lynch is not helping anyone, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the people who would advocate no lynch seem to be the kind of people who have a role--or perhaps, an alignment--which they would rather remain alive to continue murdering people with.

I will withdraw my vote for now [Aman] but let it be known that my first phrase was a lie; my cynicism is palpable.

[Herowannabe he/him]

1 hour ago, Ecthelion III said:

I don't mean to sound overly cynical, but not having a lynch is not helping anyone, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the people who would advocate no lynch seem to be the kind of people who have a role--or perhaps, an alignment--which they would rather remain alive to continue murdering people with.

I will withdraw my vote for now [Aman] but let it be known that my first phrase was a lie; my cynicism is palpable.

Thank you Ecthelion. 

FWIW I have already told my role (Cupid) and it doesn't matter one whit whether I stay alive or not. My role triggered Cycle 0 and it's done for the rest of the game. Also, I am one of those who got a "You're a regular villager, but maybe something could change later..." type of alignments. Unfortunately, I have no way of proving any of this. 

I have PMed the two players I chose to be lovers and neither one of them knew that they had been made lovers until I told them. Apparently even that info was part of the blackout. So they can't confirm what I'm saying. 

I would say lynch me, but killing people doesn't reveal roles or alignment, so that doesn't prove anything either. 

 

So like it or not, we're blind, and we have to proceed blindly, including having blind trust in one another. That is why I urged (and still do) everyone to share what info they have, rather directly or indirectly, with the thread. Even if (hypothetically) someone comes out and says "Hey guys I'm a seeker" and then they get killed the next cycle that tells us a LOT. It would mean that there are different alignments out there to be scanned and it would most likely mean that there are eliminators who don't want us finding out who they are. Right now we don't know either of those things for sure. 

So again, everyone, please share what you know. And if you didn't receive any special roles or items or alignments, then say so! Even that info narrows down who and what we need to focus on to figure this puzzle out. 

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EDIT: @Ecthelion III I just realized I didn't actually address your concerns, though I meant to. You argue that not lynching doesn't help anyone. In any other SE game that would be true. But in this game? We don't know if there are eliminators that need to be lynched. We don't even learn anything when we do lynch someone. If lynching people revealed their role and/or alignment, then sure, I'd say let's lynch people (preferably the inactives) and see what we can learn. 

But as far as we know right now, lynching doesn't help anyone. All it does is remove people from the game who might be able to add to the discussion and help us figure this thing out. 

Edited September 14, 2017 by Herowannabe

[Amanuensis he/him]

16 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

 

I have PMed the two players I chose to be lovers and neither one of them knew that they had been made lovers until I told them. Apparently even that info was part of the blackout. So they can't confirm what I'm saying. 

Hi guys. I'm one of the lovers, so it's especially unfortunate that I became the Scapegoat. I can confirm that I had no clue until Hero PM'd me and introduced me to my soul mate. In case you're wondering, though, I've never been happier. So please don't try to come between us  

[Seonid he/him]

Thank you @Herowannabe! Concise and eloquent. And, most importantly, correct (AFAICT).

If there is a scanner out there,  either of the dead or the living, I'd kind of like to know. And results so far - that would be even more important. If you don't feel comfortable revealing in thread,  then scan me and, after you've find that I'm not a threat, upload the information to the Seer network.

I'm most curious about Wilson's role atm, of all the dead players. None of the living stand out to me.

I don't have firsthand knowledge of roles beyond vanilla, but I have secondhand information of a teacher role.  Don't know it's full capacities yet.

 

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Cupid be like

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

yay for finally being present in this game xD 

so, I've seen:

1.lots of vanilla claims (same here friends)

2. a scapegoat

3. cupid (why you no pick me xD)

4. 2 lovers (second game in a row I didn't get to have that role and wanted it :P)

5. a doll (creepy)

6. a teacher (of what? :P)

From reading back through the game thread just now, I'm leaning towards the idea that there might not even be any elims. If we're trying to figure out what's causing the deaths then I'd assume that's our win con rather than just killing elims. If we have a lynch it must be for a reason though, right? Maybe we have to lynch the person who has the doll on the cycle it's "triggered"? I dunno, sounds rather disturbing to me. xD Why is there a doll?  It was said that the doll passes every two cycles, right? Is that random or can the person holding it choose who the next holder will be?

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

17 minutes ago, Sami said:

 

I am a [REDACTED]

very inspiring  

Samiiiiiii. I hope that's you paraphrasing. If not, allow me to direct you to our General Rules, particularly:

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Don’t quote anything from your GM PM for any reason. This includes quoting your role PM or action results. Do not show your GM PM to any other player.

Here's the full post in case you haven't seen it:

 

[Lemonelon]

Looks like we get an unknown death every other cycle regardless if we lynch someone or not.

If there is a teacher role, perhaps they have to teach one of the normal townspeople to help unlock a power for them? 

I'm a normal town person if the teacher would like to try this theory out  

[Young Bard he/him]

2 minutes ago, Lemonelon said:

Looks like we get an unknown death every other cycle regardless if we lynch someone or not.

If there is a teacher role, perhaps they have to teach one of the normal townspeople to help unlock a power for them? 

I'm a normal town person if the teacher would like to try this theory out  

Not necessarily. There wasn't a mystery death in Cycle 2. I have a theory why... I would post it now, but I have dinner to eat. I'll type it out properly next cycle.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Players should not use information from their GM PM in such a manner as to give GM confirmed information to the thread. I'm of the view that the spirit of this rule extends to including wording that could not otherwise be known in a slightly paraphrased manner, even when not a direct copy paste.

[Elbereth she/her]

Cycle is closed! New one will be up once we figure out what's happened. 

[Elbereth she/her]

QF26: Stop the Madness, Cycle 5

The tap room was quiet the next day as everyone tried to recover from the extreme violence of the last few days.

“So many dead,” someone muttered.

As the day progressed the only thing that broke the quiet calm was a sudden shout of “Ah-ha!” from the rooms above.

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No one died!

Player List
1. Haelbarde - Horatio Heatherlocke
2. Darkness Ascendant - Necrosis Jones
3. Sami - Aleta Nebrask
4. Straw - Straw
5. Lemonelon - Adelaide
6. Flash - SteelDancer
7. Eternum - Nero
8. Julio - Taklon Nalkot
9. Roadwalker - Lawrence "Silver" Arthur
10. _Stick_ - Stick
11. King Cole - Turtle
12. Megasif - Shaa Locke Haums
13. Droughtbringer -
14. Sony - Sony
15. Majestic - Lion Shadow
16. A Budgie - Budge
17. Seonid - Erodaan Qadri
18. Alvron - Jace Blood-Axe
19. Little Wilson - Temperance Owen
20. Arinian -  Irvin Thyme
21. Mark IV - Mark
22. Herowannabe - The Heron
23. Jondesu - Remart
24. The Young Bard - Shadow
25. BrightnessRadiant - Rani
26. Dani - Yiferian
27. RippleGylf - Ripple
28. TheMightyLopen - Usopp
29. Ecthelion III - Cyrus
30. Rebecca - Jayne
31. Amanuensis
32. Rubix

[Seonid he/him]

Excellent.  That's a step towards our goal. Anyone get attacked/protected last night?

[Herowannabe he/him]

That's great news! Now we know that it's possible to keep everyone alive for a cycle. 

 

This is also a point in favor of the theory that there aren't eliminator roles. Hopefully that will make people more willing to share what their roles are. 

 

Also, who has the doll now?

[Arinian]

I'm usual villager, I don't have any items... I don't have much to say. All what we need to keep everyone alive is not voting? Or what?

[Herowannabe he/him]

7 minutes ago, Arinian said:

I'm usual villager, I don't have any items... I don't have much to say. All what we need to keep everyone alive is not voting? Or what?

Well so far we've figured out that by not voting we can avoid lynching anyone, including the scapegoat. However something is still causing deaths out there on a sporadic basis. We still need to figure out who/what is doing that and stop them. 

[Seonid he/him]

I feel like we've made a significant breakthrough here. Wilson said it was the evil doll,  but I just realized that we only have Wilson's word that the doll is evil.

It might be a decent assumption. It might not. Worth interrogating, at least. @Rebecca, do you still have the doll?

[Young Bard he/him]

6 minutes ago, Seonid said:

@Rebecca, do you still have the doll?

I PM'ed them yesterday, and they said it moved on from them after Cycle 2, unfortunately. My read on them is that they're telling the truth about it. They seemed very forthcoming in the answers they gave.

I'm fairly certain my old theory that I alluded to at the end of the last cycle is wrong now - I suspected that the doll might kill people as it leaves their possession, and Rebecca was spared by either a passive or active mechanic in a special case (possibly even the fact that they claimed in thread). Nothing like that appears to have happened this cycle (I can't tell whether the doll person was protected again last cycle, but from what I've seen, the number of roles in this game seems sparse, and I doubt we would have prevented a death twice through what could only be luck at this stage...)

Actually, that reminds me - whoever had the doll Cycles 3-4 (assuming the doll sticks to it's two cycle pattern) - please speak up - I don't think there's any point in lynching you anymore, and you could have valuable information.

Anyway, it's time to generate some discussion - I feel as if there isn't enough debate in this thread.

I'm not sure how long we can wait to gather information, unfortunately. While there wasn't a kill this cycle, we don't know why there wasn't (if anyone has a roleblock role, please speak up - this is probably going to be of vital importance to the game), or how to make sure there won't be a death next cycle. And, so far as I can tell, people haven't been coming forward to claim since Cycle 1. It's getting late for me, and I have all of tomorrow to change my mind on this, but I'm thinking that if we don't discover some sort of extra clue, such as a claim, or some other nugget of information,  by this afternoon (AEST time - so about 14-15 hours from now), I might vote on whoever I most suspect has the doll now. Otherwise, we could end up slowly being picked off by whatever mechanism that kills people, or even if that doesn't happen, we'd end up stagnating the game without any progression of information or movement in the game, which I think would make it less fun overall. I suspect Hero and Seonid and maybe a few others will disagree with me on this, but I intend to vote sometime this afternoon if it comes down to it (unless I'm persuaded otherwise by then that we can still have a fun and interesting game and we won't get picked off slowly by not having a lynch if we choose not to have a lynch this cycle.)

Now, it's now 2AM for me, so I'm going to head to bed now. I'll have a brief window to read and respond in the morning before I head off to school, but not in any great level of detail. Night, everyone.

[Herowannabe he/him]

12 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

I suspect Hero and Seonid and maybe a few others will disagree with me on this, but I intend to vote sometime this afternoon if it comes down to it (unless I'm persuaded otherwise by then that we can still have a fun and interesting game and we won't get picked off slowly by not having a lynch if we choose not to have a lynch this cycle.)

You're right, I do disagree, at least in this point in the game. I'm not throwing out lynches completely- I suspect that at some point we'll have to lynch someone in order to win the game- but for right now I'd rather we focus on gathering info 

Speaking of which, I'd like to compile a list of who has admitted to what roles/powers/factions (mainly so we can start pestering those players that haven't revealed anything yet). I don't have enough time to do a thorough, accurate count off of the top of my head but from what I remember we have the following:

 

14 hours ago, Elbereth said:

Player List
1. Haelbarde - Horatio Heatherlocke
2. Darkness Ascendant - Necrosis Jones
3. Sami - Aleta Nebrask                                 - Claimed villager no-role
4. Straw - Straw
5. Lemonelon - Adelaide                               - Claimed villager no-role
6. Flash - SteelDancer
7. Eternum - Nero
8. Julio - Taklon Nalkot
9. Roadwalker - Lawrence "Silver" Arthur.    - Claimed villager no-role
10. _Stick_ - Stick.                                        - Claimed villager no-role
11. King Cole - Turtle
12. Megasif - Shaa Locke Haums.               - Claimed villager no-role
13. Droughtbringer -
14. Sony - Sony
15. Majestic - Lion Shadow
16. A Budgie - Budge.                                - Claimed villager no-role
17. Seonid - Erodaan Qadri
18. Alvron - Jace Blood-Axe
19. Little Wilson - Temperance Owen          - Started as the Scapegoat. 
20. Arinian -  Irvin Thyme                             - Claimed villager no-role. 
21. Mark IV - Mark
22. Herowannabe - The Heron                     - Claimed villager Cupid, knows who the lovers are. 
23. Jondesu - Remart                                  - Claimed villager no-role
24. The Young Bard - Shadow                     - Claimed villager no-role. 
25. BrightnessRadiant - Rani
26. Dani - Yiferian.                                       - Claimed villager no-role
27. RippleGylf - Ripple
28. TheMightyLopen - Usopp
29. Ecthelion III - Cyrus
30. Rebecca - Jayne                                    - Claimed villager, Held the Doll cycles 1-2
31. Amanuensis                                           - Claimed villager, Lover, currently the Scapegoat. 
32. Rubix

 

We also know that someone has a Teacher role, though we don't know who or what it does. 

We also don't know who held the Doll cycles 3-4, or who holds the Doll now. 

I know there are a few others who have claimed villager no-role, but I don't remember who off the top of my head, and like I said I don't have time to search back through the threads now. Anyone/everyone please feel free to add info or correct mistakes, and as long as I am alive I will continue to keep this list updated for us. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by Herowannabe

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Roadwalker, Stick, Megasif, and Budgie all publicly claimed to be vanilla I think. I have a couple more vanilla claims through PM's, but I don't think I'll reveal that since it was revealed to me personally.

Also, I received a PM from a vanilla villager, who claims to have had a Moment of Clarity this Cycle, and is now a "magistrate." Their power is the ability to detain someone for a cycle so they cannot post in the thread or be lynched. They can only do this once, and it has to be within the next 3 Cycles.

They also mentioned that they were "chosen" for that ability, but they didn't know who chose them or anything about how they got the power. They suggest that's what the "Ah-ha!" in the write-up was for, which makes sense to me.

About the Teacher role, DA mentioned it's specifics a couple Cycles back. Apparently they can't vote until they have a Moment of Clarity, and that's the extent of their powers, if I'm remembering correctly.

[Stick. she/her]

3 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Roadwalker, Stick, Megasif, and Budgie all publicly claimed to be vanilla I think. I have a couple more vanilla claims through PM's, but I don't think I'll reveal that since it was revealed to me personally.

Daniyah and Flash as well, iirc. Though Flash appears to have died. Speaking of which, has anyone claimed dead-players scanner in-thread or in PMs to anyone? I don't think anyone has claimed so in-thread but I haven't been giving this game as much attention as I'd like :[ And yeah, something about how my Role PM is phrased did make me think that there'd be a way to gain roles this way. Our scanner probably hasnt had their 'Moment of Clarity' yet.